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ethereal_reality May 6, 2016 12:51 AM

Here's just one more for tonight.

'mystery' location #3

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/rDuKwT.jpg
eBay

Flyingwedge May 6, 2016 2:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7432876)
Here's just one more for tonight.

'mystery' location #3

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/rDuKwT.jpg
eBay

My guess is that this is looking north on Alvarado from somewhere between 12th and Pico. That guess is mostly based on a further
guess; that the building with the columns to the right of the green traffic signal is the Ponce De Leon (1912) at 1136 S. Alvarado:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...j.jpg~original
FW Photo Oct 2015

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...d.jpg~original
FW Photo Oct 2015

MartinTurnbull May 6, 2016 3:45 AM

Garden of Allah model and pavilion
 
Okay, so I'm going to weigh in on that photo HossC posted of the pavilion out front of the Lytton Savings bank build on the Garden of Allah site.

This Lytton ad shows the pavilion at the far east end of the lot:

http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...Savings-Ad.png

so it's great to see an actual photo of it!

But I doubt that's the Garden of Allah model. I've seen the model (you can see my pics on it HERE) What we can see in this photo doesn't match the model. I asked Jon Ponder from www.PlaygroundtotheStars.com what he thought. He agreed, and added "There was an art gallery. Maybe they rotated exhibits in and out of the pavilion."


http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...onSavings4.jpg

UphillDonkey May 6, 2016 5:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7432792)
'mystery' location #2

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/6yRbcn.jpg
eBay

Not much to go on here -except for the turret on the corner building behind the bus.

and that street sign across the way that's much to small to read.
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Atwater Village, Brunswick Ave at Glendale Blvd.

HossC May 6, 2016 7:30 AM

:previous:

Now that UphillDonkey has identified the location, here are some pictures of Brunswick Avenue at Glendale Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...kGlendale1.jpg
GSV

The corner building with the turret is now Atwater Barber Shop.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...kGlendale2.jpg
GSV

I was just about to post the pictures above when I spotted something on the roof of a building down the street. When I went to investigate, I found this!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...kGlendale3.jpg
GSV

GaylordWilshire May 6, 2016 4:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7432876)
Here's just one more for tonight.

'mystery' location #3

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/rDuKwT.jpg
eBay

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7432952)
My guess is that this is looking north on Alvarado from somewhere between 12th and Pico. That guess is mostly based on a further
guess; that the building with the columns to the right of the green traffic signal is the Ponce De Leon (1912) at 1136 S. Alvarado:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...j.jpg~original
FW Photo Oct 2015
FW Photo Oct 2015


Looks like the Ponce de Leon to me-- the turquoise motel at right is still there too at 1212 S Alvarado.

Earlier PDL in post 3638 from 2011

Martin Pal May 6, 2016 5:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull (Post 7433005)
Okay, so I'm going to weigh in on that photo HossC posted of the pavilion out front of the Lytton Savings bank build on the Garden of Allah site.

This Lytton ad shows the pavilion at the far east end of the lot:
so it's great to see an actual photo of it!

But I doubt that's the Garden of Allah model. I've seen the model (you can see my pics on it HERE) What we can see in this photo doesn't match the model. I asked Jon Ponder from www.PlaygroundtotheStars.com what he thought. He agreed, and added "There was an art gallery. Maybe they rotated exhibits in and out of the pavilion."

Hi, MT -- From the previous photos you've posted of the model, I too thought this didn't look quite large enough for it, so I understand what you say, but in that ad you posted, part of the text says:

"In the Plaza we have created a Garden of Allah Pavilion, with a realistic model of the
Old Garden, complete in detail and an accurate re-creation of it's famous swimming pool."


Any possibility there was a another smaller model?
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Also: Do you know anything about The Lytton Center of the Visual Arts
building along the back part of the "Plaza"? Partially seen here:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7431189)

This 1962 one million dollar building that included museum space, a library, meeting areas and a theatre could not have
been space in the bank building as some information online suggests, yet there seems to be no photos of this particular
place, either, which is curious. It is also not mentioned in the ad you posted, nor pictured, which is also curious.

ethereal_reality May 6, 2016 5:04 PM

re: the 'mystery' locations.

Excellent discoveries Flyingwedge...UphillDonkey...HossC...Gaylord Wilshire. -much appreciated.

I certainly didn't realize that was the Ponce de Leon Apts. the photograph!

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Martin Pal May 6, 2016 5:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7431189)
The car continues east across Crescent Heights Blvd.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...921/59BKxk.jpg

various small ephemeral businesses. Debbi's..........

Sherry's.......

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/dVwa8V.jpg

A brown and beige decorative wall that I believe is part of Sherry's.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/r6Qarn.jpg

I thought a Googies should be here, but I didn't see it. The video ends here.
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Here's a 1973 (six years later) photo of this area.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/SB-101-2.jpgBruce Torrence Collection

Debbi's and Sherry's are still there. Googie's was east a bit of Sherry's, but I believe it was called something else by 1973.

Is that a rock group on the billboard above? Also, notice the bus bench that's toppled onto Sunset Blvd. Also, there's Schwab's.

ethereal_reality May 6, 2016 5:50 PM

That's so cool Martin_Pal. Thanks for digging up the 1973 photograph. (Debbi's was in business longer than I imagined)

& I believe the band on the billboard is the English band 'Wishbone Ash'. (they were on tour in 1973)

:previous:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/XhjK3O.jpg
http://www.rootsvinylguide.com/ebay_...uk-lp-mdks8011




This afternoon's 'mystery' location.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/NYl23z.jpg
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A closer look at the houses down the street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/nmNn9v.jpg
detail

I believe something is being torn down behind the wooden barricade.





..and there's a Fall-Out Shelter in the building on the right.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/b8OOtI.jpg

BifRayRock May 6, 2016 6:34 PM






Is the open area of the concrete structure below part of an unfinished addition or necessary buttressing? :shrug:



Before demolition
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...psiwcp5odo.jpg


After
http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...pswrwhu8ha.jpg



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HossC May 6, 2016 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7432555)

The above description of the Lytton Center would indicate a separate building from the bank at Sunset and Crescent Heights, but I've not as yet found any specific photos of it. HossC, do any of the aerials show such a structure? It has to have been demolished, because the various places in that location currently could not have been incorporated into any previously exisiting building as far as I could tell.

The aerial views don't really show anything, so you'll have to make do with this selection of pictures from Julius Shulman's "Job 3383: Museum of Motion Pictures and auditorium, 1962". This is the only exterior photo in the set - it looks like the Lytton Center was under the parking lot behind the bank.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

Here are some of the exhibits - the full set has a few extra angles.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

And the entrance to the auditorium.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

There's also a color view similar to this one, but black & white shows it best.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

The sign in the video was across the back of the parking lot. There's also a small sign for the Lytton Center of the Visual Arts under the main Lytton Savings sign on the left. This image is one of four photos in "Job 3738: Lytton Savings and Loan Association, sculpture exhibition, 1964".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original
Getty Research Institute

Finally, here's a picture of Bart Lytton from "Job 3850: Bart Lytton portraits, 1965".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Getty Research Institute

Martin Pal May 6, 2016 8:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7433637)
The aerial views don't really show anything, so you'll have to make do with this selection of pictures from Julius Shulman's "Job 3383: Museum of Motion Pictures and auditorium, 1962". This is the only exterior photo in the set - it looks like the Lytton Center was under the parking lot behind the bank.

Thank you, HossC, while you were posting this I had just come across a recent report done because of the planning to demolish and rebuild this area etc.

The report is the HISTORICAL RESOURCES ASSESSMENT REPORT AND IMPACTS ANALYSIS FOR THE PROPOSED 8150 SUNSET BOULEVARD MIXED USE PROJECT and was presented in September 2014.

So you hinted and posted the photo that shows why there are few photos of The Lytton Center for Visual Arts. It was built underground with a parking lot as the roof.

From the report:

Lytton Center of the Visual Arts, Constructed 1961-62 (Project Site)
In October 1961, an addition to the Bank was constructed to house the Lytton Center and construction was completed in 1962. The Lytton Center was designed by architect Kurt W. Meyer, interior designer Adele Faulkner, and structural engineer Johnson & Neilson, and was constructed by William Simpson Construction Company. The Modern style Lytton Center, valued at $200,000*, was constructed below ground level, adjoining the basement of the rear (south elevation) of the Bank, and had a parking deck on the roof. The primary entrance to the Lytton Center was located on the south elevation. The Lytton Center is located below the parking deck for twenty-eight cars and is referred to as “office below.” A car ramp with a pedestrian stair was located on the west side of the addition and there were also two secondary pedestrian stairs that lead to the rooftop parking lot located on Havenhurst Drive and the southeast corner of the rear addition.
The newly completed Lytton Center was featured in The Architectural Digest in the spring 1963 issue and the article is included in Appendix D. In 1961, the Los Angeles Times described the Lytton Center:

Scheduled for completion in September, the new addition will conform to the California modern architectural design of the main building, which features extensive use of glass, marble and native stone. Retaining the natural slope of the site, the architect has designed part of the new structure below ground level, with its rooftop to be used for additional automobile parking space. Of reinforced concrete construction, the building will be fully air conditioned.

*[Note: The book information I previously quoted valued the Center at a million dollars.]
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This report covers a lot of historical things pertaining to this particular address/site,
including all this from Part III:

III. ENVIRONMENTAL SETTING ... page 17

A. Historic Context... 17

1. Rancho La Brea and Early Settlement, 1821-1897... 17
2. Early Settlement and Growth, 1898-1913... 18
3. Interwar Residential Development, 1918–1941... 18
4. Post-World War II Transformation 1955 – Present... 20
5. The Bank Building Property Type...20
6. Savings and Loan Industry... 24
7. Integration of Art and Bank Design... 25
8. Bart Lytton (1912-1969)... 26
9. Lytton Savings Home Branch Building, Constructed 1959-1960 (Project Site)... 27
10. Lytton Center of the Visual Arts, Constructed 1961-62 (Project Site)... 32
11. Kurt Werner Meyer, Architect (1922-Present)... 35
12. Adele Faulkner-Quinn, Interior Designer (1911-2000)... 39
13. Integrated Art Components... 39
14. Dalle de Verre... 40
15. Roger Darricarrere, Artist (1912 - 1983)... 41
16. David Green, Sculptor (1908-2000)... 42

B. Previous Evaluations... 91
1. Known Historical Resources in the Project Vicinity... 91

etc.

The link is a pdf file of this 182 page report. It has a section of approximately 90 photos, drawings, newspaper clippings and architectural drawings of this area, surroundings and related subjects. It includes several of the Julius Shulman photos you've posted, HossC, including the only one of the Center that you posted above. (I was going to tell you about it, thanks for posting it!) If anyone's interested in this subject, this document is well worth your time. I'm going to finish looking at it myself.

I don't have the capacity to do it, but the one photo in it I wish we could post is of the subject mentioned previously:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7432555)
HossC, in the post of mine that you linked to in yours, I had quoted a person who was commenting about the artwork in and around the Lytton Bank, who wrote:

"In 1962, a 75 foot-long photo mural on the history of motion pictures was also installed
in the bank complex, in what was then called the Lytton Center of the Visual Arts. It would
be interesting to know if the mural is there but covered up somewhere."

The photo is in the report and came from Architectural Digest:

Lytton Center, Lobby Featuring Eliot Elisofot’s “History of Hollywood”
(“The Lytton Center of the Visual Arts, Hollywood, California,” Architectural Digest 20.1 (Spring 1963): 136.)

Link to the report:
http://planning.lacity.org/eir/8150Sunset/AssessmentReportandImpactsAnalysis.pdf

Martin Pal May 6, 2016 8:15 PM

:previous:
I had no idea all of this previously existed at 8150 Sunset Blvd. Sounded like a great
resource and makes the current strip mall aspect even more egregious. I also wonder,
if this was connected to the bank and is underground--is the space still there? Maybe
the report will shed some light on that when I have a chance to read it all.

HossC May 6, 2016 8:39 PM

:previous:

Thanks for the PDF, Martin Pal - I'll have to spend some more time on it later. Is this the picture you wanted to post?

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
http://planning.lacity.org/eir/8150S...tsAnalysis.pdf

Martin Pal May 6, 2016 9:23 PM

:previous:

Yes, HossC, I thank you very much!
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I'll be around that area in a few weeks. I should go over there and see what there is to see.
I've never had occasion to go around to the back of that bank building.

Martin Pal May 6, 2016 9:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7433532)
That's so cool Martin_Pal. Thanks for digging up the 1973 photograph. (Debbi's was in business longer than I thought)

& I believe the band on the billboard is the English band 'Wishbone Ash'. (they were on tour in 1973)

Thanks, E_R, I could not make that name out, maybe because that's one band that I can't recall ever hearing about before.

Martin Pal May 6, 2016 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7433492)
Here's a 1973 (six years later) photo of this area.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/SB-101-2.jpgBruce Torrence Collection

Debbi's and Sherry's are still there. Googie's was east a bit of Sherry's, but I believe it was called something else by 1973.

Might as well post these companion photos of this area. All 1973. First an image of what's directly to the right of the above photo.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HA-053-2.jpg


Then a 180° turn from that photo, across the street, looking at a liquor store and toward the Chateau Marmont.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HA-052-2.jpg


A bit further up the street toward the Chateau Marmont and a building with the "e Club" sign on it.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HA-052-1.jpg


Then a full frontal of Schwab's.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/SDS-033.jpg

I guess Googie's was now the Steak N' Stein!


And then looking west back toward Schwab's and Crescent Heights.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/SB-101-1.jpg

ethereal_reality May 6, 2016 10:19 PM

.....from yesterday.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/oFK1aA.jpg

:previous:
Quote:

Originally Posted by UphillDonkey (Post 7433056)
Atwater Village, Brunswick Ave at Glendale Blvd.

Thanks UphillDonkey!

GSV posted by HossC
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/krHpCv.jpg

This corner barber shop with it's mini turret is so dang cute I thought I'd try and dig up some additional information.


In earlier days, it was known as Roy's Barber Shop.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...921/j0OR3R.jpg
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Back in the 1970s Tony Saenz took it over.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/5Szcj8.jpg
https://www.instagram.com/p/BC0n_lPE...rbershop&hl=en

"Here is Tony with his son in 1973 after giving him a haircut at the Atwater Barber Shop."



I thought this snapshot was pretty amazing.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/ch9ftN.jpg
https://www.instagram.com/p/BC8urNOE...rbershop&hl=en

"Here is Tony's son next to his 1958 Impala with hydraulics."



The hydraulics tucked away inside the trunk.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...921/LAwetu.jpg
https://www.instagram.com/p/BC-3EeSk...rbershop&hl=en

"Tony's 1958 impala with old school hydraulic set up in 1969."
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Flash forward to Today.

The interior of the Atwater Barber Shop getting a new coat of paint.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/MnZuqy.jpg
https://www.instagram.com/p/BAp51-5k...rbershop&hl=en

:previous: I wonder what's hiding above that dropped ceiling?



And Tony Saenz is still barbering after more than 40-plus years at the Atwater Barber Shop. :)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/usnhd3.jpg
https://www.instagram.com/p/uTtnRHEy...rbershop&hl=en

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John Maddox Roberts May 6, 2016 11:05 PM

Wow, I didn't know lowriders went back that far.


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