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ethereal_reality Jul 24, 2016 5:13 PM

I just realized there was another Maison Gaston location.

This one was located at 1219 N. Vine.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...921/Ccphgx.jpg
courtesy of Mary Mallory


Here's an ad for it's opening in 1944.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/Yc3CR3.png
https://ladailymirror.com/2016/05/30...-then-and-now/

"In 1946, Maison Gaston’s added Bob Leine as pianist as a way to increase business, and then also began offering lunch in 1947.
Operators tried all means to bring in new customers to build revenue. Steaks and other entrees were played up in 1948 ads
before the restaurant’s eventual demise."



but by Dec. 10, 1951. it was already being auctioned off.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/Mhf5rK.jpg
https://ladailymirror.com/2016/05/30...-then-and-now/

HossC Jul 24, 2016 6:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7511435)

I recently found this kodachrome slide of eBay.

I believe we're looking south on Olive toward the intersection of Fourth and Olive streets. I believe this is the late 1940s or perhaps early 50s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/HO0JCu.jpg
eBay

If you look closely you can see the very tall blade sign of the Auditorium Bldg. (and someone does taxes for a living in the building on the right:previous:)

Here's the same street, from a slightly different angle, taken just before Christmas in 1962. I'm pretty sure we've seen it before, but I couldn't find it. The image was very dark - this is after the brightness and contrast have been adjusted!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7511435)

further down the block, also on the right side, there's a sign that says 'The Olive' something......probably Apartments.

Here's the Olive Inn in 1966. We've definitely seen this one before in a post by FredH, but many/all of his pictures seem to be missing. Maybe that's why I can't find the image above.

"Oldest frame apartment left on Olive Street."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library

ethereal_reality Jul 24, 2016 7:43 PM

:previous:I'm surprised how shabby the Olive Inn looks.

I realize much of Bunker Hill looked the same in the 1960s....but this is just sad.

HossC Jul 24, 2016 7:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7511523)

:previous:I can't believe how shabby the Olive Inn looks.

Who owned the building....a slumlord? (he obviously didn't bother with maintenance)

The demo permit for the Olive Inn was issued about seven weeks after the picture above was taken.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Online Building Records

ethereal_reality Jul 24, 2016 8:10 PM

:previous:so the Olive Inn was in its death throes when that slide was taken.




Little boy in denim feeding ducks in Westlake Park.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/TQSNAT.jpg
eBay

so cute :) (is that you CBD?)


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Blaster Jul 24, 2016 8:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7511478)
Here's the same street, from a slightly different angle, taken just before Christmas in 1962. I'm pretty sure we've seen it before, but I couldn't find it. The image was very dark - this is after the brightness and contrast have been adjusted!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library

Those parking lot signs with the arrow balanced on the circle are longtime survivors around the city. You still see them -- repainted and revised with new rates, of course.

HossC Jul 24, 2016 8:19 PM

I was hoping I'd be able to find an address for this building with its rippled front. Julius Shulman took these pictures in 1955, but there's no entry in the 1956 CD (there are plenty before). The only entry I found after that date was in the 1961 CD, which lists Pacific Clay Prod[uct]s at 1255 W 4th Street. Today it's a parking lot, but the historic aerial views don't match these pictures. This is "Job 1926: Pacific Clay Products, 1955".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

I assume that this shot of the rear was to show off the bricks on the right, which I'm guessing are one of the company's products.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

The third and final shot shows an office. Maybe the funky curtains were to counterbalance the seriousness of all those books!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

CityBoyDoug Jul 24, 2016 9:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7511538)
:previous:so the Olive Inn was in it's death throes when that slide was taken.
Little boy in denim feeding ducks in Westlake Park.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/TQSNAT.jpg
eBay

so cute :) (is that you CBD?)

:):) No ER but but here I am at the same Westlake Park having some popcorn. Myself, brother and mother. This was our typical Sunday when my mother was dating my eventual stepfather.

After the park, we went to a restaurant if we could find one that wasn't too crowded. WW II had recently ended and eating establishments were packed to the ceiling. Once we waited a long time and finally left without our dinner. Being so young I cried. They all laughed but me.

I suspect ER's photo above was taken around the same time as mine. Those brand new little jeans were probably just newly available after the War. All clothes were rationed during WW II or just not made at all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps99ppbj1o.jpg

ethereal_reality Jul 24, 2016 9:53 PM

:previous: Such a sweet photograph CityBoyDoug. Thanks for sharing it with us.

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ethereal_reality Jul 24, 2016 11:12 PM

RE: The uniform the soldier is wearing.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/JbbPAR.jpg



Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 7510376)
It appears to be a US Army Enlisted Dress Uniform from 1883 to about 1885 (the later Indian War Period) He is a sergeant, obviously, but not in the Army all that long or he would have hashmarks below his sergeant's chevrons on his sleeve for tours of duty. The white piping and collar shows him to be infantry. The sergeant's chevrons would be in gold thread.

Thanks for this information oldstuff.

I believe this is the same uniform.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...921/RxrHjx.jpg
http://www.ushist.com/img/iw/images/...-scout-a_l.jpg

One thing that is different (besides the missing hashmarks below the chevron) is the gold diamond shape within the V of the sergeant's stripes. (any idea what this is?)

I believe the lower right image is a glimpse of the back of the uniform. (at first I thought it was the lower sleeve)

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GaylordWilshire Jul 25, 2016 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7511545)
I was hoping I'd be able to find an address for this building with its rippled front. Julius Shulman took these pictures in 1955, but there's no entry in the 1956 CD (there are plenty before). The only entry I found after that date was in the 1961 CD, which lists Pacific Clay Prod[uct]s at 1255 W 4th Street. Today it's a parking lot, but the historic aerial views don't match these pictures. This is "Job 1926: Pacific Clay Products, 1955".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original



Hoss-- The first Times image isn't very helpful, but here's a little more on the Pacific Clay Products building you posted--


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9...9%2BPM.bmp.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z...0%2BPM.bmp.jpg


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-a...9%2BPM.bmp.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l...3%2BPM.bmp.jpg

ethereal_reality Jul 25, 2016 1:07 AM

:previous: Good sleuthing GW!
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Remember this?

It's the 'mystery' slide from earlier in the week, and the location is still a mystery.
(unless I missed it) .

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/k430o9.jpg
eBay



I decided to take another look at that neon sign.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/r98MHi.jpg
detail

:previous:Nope, still can't make heads or tails out of it.

Then I started thinking about the yellow key.....well I didn't think a company would be named "Yellow Key", so I took a stab in the dark and tried "Gold Key".


Sure enough, there was a Gold Key Entertainment company at 855 Cahuenga Blvd.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/KEMaME.jpg
lapl

But I was never able to match it up a gsv image with the vintage slide,
and the shape of the Hollywood Hills at the end of the street appears to be different than what you would see traveling north on Cahuenga Blvd.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/MkfbYz.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/O9Qf8J.jpg

So in other words, close...but no cigar. :(

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Jungmann Jul 25, 2016 2:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7511711)
:previous: Good sleuthing GW!
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Remember this?

It's the 'mystery' slide from earlier in the week, and the location is still a mystery.
(unless I missed it) .

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/k430o9.jpg
eBay



I decided to take another look at that neon sign.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/r98MHi.jpg
detail

:previous:Nope, still can't make heads or tails out of it.

Then I started thinking about the yellow key.....well I didn't think a company would be named "Yellow Key", so I took a stab in the dark and tried "Gold Key".


Sure enough, there was a Gold Key Entertainment company at 855 Cahuenga Blvd.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/KEMaME.jpg
lapl

But I was never able to match it up a gsv image with the vintage slide,
and the shape of the Hollywood Hills at the end of the street appears to be different than what you would see traveling north on Cahuenga Blvd.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/MkfbYz.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/O9Qf8J.jpg

So in other words, close...but no cigar. :(

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I believe the building with the key is the former site of the Jewish Federation in Los Angeles on North Vermont. The street car is passing over the 101. I used to see it often--I grew up on Marathon Street some distance north on Vermont, across from the LACC campus, and my mom used Vermont as a main street often.

Only my second post or so, but I've been following this terrific site for years. This is the first time I've beaten the resident experts to the punch on a location--much respect to them.

This is from a LA Times article:

Former site of Jewish Federation--590 N. Vermont, Hollywood. To the students, it is the Cleveland Chiropractic College, but the U-shape, three-story building was once known as the Jewish pentagon. From 1950 to 1976, it housed the federation. As the community expanded northward and westward, the location became less accessible. The federation's present location is a 12-story building on Wilshire Boulevard.

rick m Jul 25, 2016 3:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaster (Post 7511542)
Those parking lot signs with the arrow balanced on the circle are longtime survivors around the city. You still see them -- repainted and revised with new rates, of course.

Our school bus had parked in this lot for the 1962 ( or WAS it 1961) For our outing to attend a giant XMAS show at the Phil-- wish I could remember something of the program-- We walked that slope in single file-- And I realized then how those three apt buildings reminded me of what stood in my grandparents town of Cresson,Pa. My original visit to downtown---

John Maddox Roberts Jul 25, 2016 4:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7511634)
RE: The uniform the soldier is wearing.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/JbbPAR.jpg




Thanks for this information oldstuff.

I believe this is the same uniform.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...921/RxrHjx.jpg
http://www.ushist.com/img/iw/images/...-scout-a_l.jpg

One thing that is different (besides the missing hashmarks below the chevron) is the gold diamond shape within the V of the sergeant's stripes. (any idea what this is?)

I believe the lower right image is a glimpse of the back of the uniform. (at first I thought it was the lower sleeve)

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The diamond meant that this man was a First Sergeant - the senior NCO of a company. A star in the same place would have meant a sergeant-major - the senior NCO of a regiment or Battalion.

HossC Jul 25, 2016 1:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7511696)

Thanks for digging up all the information on Pacific Clay Products, GW. Google Maps led me to the center of the block rather than the corner. Here's the building permit from 1953.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Online Building Records

Contrary to what I said in my original post, the building can be seen in the historic views. I picked the image from 1980 because it's the clearest one.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...cificClay2.jpg
Historic Aerials

The demo permit is not available online, but it's dated 1990. The current building on the site has the address 350 S Bixel Street. The grading and new building permits are dated 1993.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
GSV

VC351W Jul 25, 2016 6:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6940465)
I think they're just rocks too.

Here's an 1891 detail of the future site of Court Flight showing a pile of rocks that I assume were given up by the hillside when the retaining walls were put in:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5...91708%2BAM.jpg
uscdl: http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/1740/rec/255

I don't see any rocks here though. Maybe one could if the shot was closer:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-B...72434%2BAM.jpg
LAT

Thx e_r, I liked the fragments of the Yankee.

I have had the opportunity to dig many many holes throughout the city, and have found that the soil can change drastically as you go down past the various layers. I've also had the misfortune of coming across large rocks and small boulders just like in your picture. I even found the footing to a bridge that was long buried. That was east of Santa Fe Abe and south of 15th street.

HossC Jul 25, 2016 8:43 PM

Just a quick "then and now" Julius Shulman post today. This is "Job 5481: 1285 Clark Street House (West Hollywood, Calif.), 1977". It's always easier when the address is in the job title!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

Getty Research Institute

There have been a few minor changes since 1977, but not many.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
GSV

Martin Pal Jul 25, 2016 9:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7511175)
Demolition is temporarily halted for Walt Disney's first Los Angeles home.

Luckily, the garage that once stood on the property, where Mr. Disney had his studio, has already been moved.
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Am I crazy to think that the Disney Company (Studios, Disneyland etc.) wouldn't have wanted to buy this modest building and move it to their studios or Disneyland? Surely they could afford it. Wonder why no interest in that?

Blaster Jul 25, 2016 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7512418)
Am I crazy to think that the Disney Company (Studios, Disneyland etc.) wouldn't have wanted to buy this modest building and move it to their studios or Disneyland? Surely they could afford it. Wonder why no interest in that?

Possibly it's felt that the garage is of more interest to fans and historians... where the early creativity took place.


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