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BifRayRock Feb 13, 2015 12:21 AM






Got iron or dates?


918 Date Street
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...d/11592/rec/23



~1933 - 906 Date Street, "American Foundry"
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/ref/co...coll2/id/11590


http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...d/11591/rec/31




842 - 902 Date Street
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...d/11589/rec/20



738 - 742 Date Street
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...d/11578/rec/14



http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...d/11577/rec/15



Originator of the date "shake?"
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0


824 Date Street
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...d/11583/rec/17


See Tetsu's comprehensive post >>>>> http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=25745


http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/...psad2x84wq.jpghttp://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/...psad2x84wq.jpg


Where Date Street intersected Bauchet Street, might make an interesting location for a huge jail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_Central_Jail







ethereal_reality Feb 13, 2015 12:31 AM

I've always been interesting in the many actor and actresses who appear to be on the cusp of stardom, and then something derails their dreams.

While thumbing through an issue of Hollywood Filmograph (1932) this striking photograph caught my eye.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...538/FtPXy1.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...910/Q1RV1s.jpg
https://archive.org/details/texts

Yet I drew a blank on the name, so I typed his name into IMDB, but came up with nothing.
So what happened to Joe Roig's starring role in 'Laughing Boy'?



Well, it turns out Universal Pictures abandoned 'Laughing Boy' :(, and MGM picked it up and replaced Mr. Roig with silent film star Ramon Navarro.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...537/kNbgbV.jpg
http://www.sedonamonthly.com/



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/6eJ5qg.jpg


below: Ramom Novarro reading 'Laughing Boy'.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...631/hyR2HZ.jpg


I'm hoping someone here on NLA will be able to dig up some more information on my 'man-crush' ;) Joe Roig.

Hollywood Filmograph mentions that he had appeared in earlier films.*

*They even mentioned one of his previous films by name, 'Tiger Shark'
..but he isn't listed as one of the cast on IMdB.(and IMdB says it's a complete list)

Tiger Shark (1932) cast list
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0023594/...=tt_cl_sm#cast
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postscript:
It's too bad they didn't cast a Native American for the part.
They no doubt needed a box office draw -thus the lead role going to Ramon Novarro
(in fact, that's probably why Joe Roig lost the part)

tovangar2 Feb 13, 2015 12:37 AM

Remember Clara Street (lower left corner of the map). The first plague deaths were recorded here in 1924. All the homes in your and Tetsu's posts were within the quarantine area.

JScott Feb 13, 2015 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6913451)
As C.C. Piece took the photo from an upper-north window, or the roof of the Vickrey-Brunswig building, it cannot be earlier than 1888.

I think that's pretty much spot-on! 1888 was a year of tremendous civic pride – with the new Court House and City Hall opening that year – and there was a lot of landmark photography going on in and around town around that time. Some of my favorite images of old Los Angeles date to that precise time period.


Quote:

I wish I could confirm the date of the Plaza design shown in the USC photo, as that might help. It looks very new.
It looks absolutely pristine, and totally charming. I can't remember seeing the Plaza look this nice, in any other photograph, ever.


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I talked to Jack Feldman over at the Water & Power Museum. He was not at all surprised to see the light masts. He says 240 of these 150-foot-tall masts were in place by the mid 1880s, some quite far-flung.

240? Cool! Those lights were powered by DC, weren't they? At least I seem to recall reading somewhere that they were. The switch to AC and general obsolescence doomed them. Tesla won with AC, but Edison triumphed over all with his particular innovation of the incandescent light bulb.

BifRayRock Feb 13, 2015 1:00 AM

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6334216)







Once upon a time there was another building in Pasadena that went by the name of "Home Telephone and Telegraph" at 600 East Green Street. The building's relief work deserves honorable mention. One source indicates building was erected in '25. Photos are from '28.




600 East Green Street 1928
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...F7E4EXKKBX.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...F7E4EXKKBX.jpg

1928
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...S9QNNBQSJT.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...S9QNNBQSJT.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LRRTSASKX8.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...LRRTSASKX8.jpg


http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...G9JBTRJSUX.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...G9JBTRJSUX.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3257/...568cae583a.jpghttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3257/...568cae583a.jpg





Home Telephone photos showing working switchboard (e.g., below) circa 1914, provide two addresses: 70 North Raymond Avenue and/or 45 West Colorado. Unclear whether Home continued to use either or both addresses through the late '20s.







http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/c.../id/796/rec/18

http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/u...XT=&DMROTATE=0


Sexy ankles, circa 1914?
http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/u...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/u...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/u...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://cdm15123.contentdm.oclc.org/u...XT=&DMROTATE=0








More Home?



Remarkable panorama of Third and Hill Streets>>>>>
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Home Telephone Co. building, circa 1902

http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0





The "Aldine" and neighbors.
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http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0 http://hdl.huntington.org/cdm/single...id/4214/rec/56


City of London? (Center left) Steel construction is what building? (Hamburger's at Eight and Broadway, evidently post-dated this 1902 image by 2-3 years.)
http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://hdl.huntington.org/utils/ajax...XT=&DMROTATE=0
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ethereal_reality Feb 13, 2015 1:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6913451)
I talked to Jack Feldman over at the Water & Power Museum. He was not at all surprised to see the light masts.
He says 240 of these 150-foot-tall masts were in place by the mid 1880s, some quite far-flung.

I thought there were like 12. -lol
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stanklem Feb 13, 2015 2:25 AM

Older DWP Photos
 
Found on http://waterandpower.org/museum/museum.html

First light standards
Main & Commercial 1882
http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...treetlight.jpg

http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...reet_1880s.jpg

Distribution Station #2 1920s
http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...ibrary/DS2.jpg

Distribution Station #3
Harbor Blvd,, and Regan Street
http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...ibrary/DS3.jpg

Olive Switching Station 1916
http://waterandpower.org/Library%20o...g_Station1.jpg

218 South Hill 1933
http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...ne_Workers.jpg

Banning Street electrical Plant 1888
http://waterandpower.org/DWP-LA%20Pu...Plant_1888.jpg

Albany NY Feb 13, 2015 2:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6913469)

There's a lot of interesting stuff here, ethereal_reality. Obviously, the mystery of whatever became of Joe Roig. But also, the very noirish murder of Ramon Novarro. As I'm sure you all know, Ramon Novarro favored young men. Paul and Tom Ferguson were the murderous brothers responsible for killing the famous silent movie star. On the night of his murder, Novarro invited the Ferguson brothers over to his house in hopes of having sex with one of the two men. The Fergusons believed that the actor had a large sum of money hidden inside the house, and planned to find it. After the rendezvous between Paul and Ramon was over, the brothers demanded that he give them the money. When Novarro said he didn’t have any money on him, Paul brutally beat him and left him to die. Police were able to trace a call that Tom made on the house phone to his girlfriend in Chicago on the day of the murder. She ratted them out and the brothers were arrested and sentenced to life in prison, but were paroled within seven years of the trial.

The LA Times, November 1, 1968.
http://imageshack.com/a/img633/4849/Op0rcr.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7941/YNLZUe.jpghttp://imageshack.com/a/img661/7884/gdsjOz.jpghttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...star-beat.html

The late, great Ramon Novarro's body being removed.
http://imageshack.com/a/img661/329/rC8CaI.jpghttp://murderpedia.org/male.F/f/ferg...aul-photos.htm

The Ferguson brothers in 1968.

http://imageshack.com/a/img673/9633/fQRtmj.jpghttp://www.criminaljusticedegreesgui...d-history.html


On the flip side of noir, I just can't help but laugh out loud every time I hear the name Lupe Velez. That's because the first time I ever heard her name was on an episode of Frasier. Roz Doyle described to Frasier Lupe's suicide in a hilarious way. Only years later did I find out that Lupe had been a real person. For anyone interested in a ghoulish laugh, the YouTube link is below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFUmv-0K4a0

The sad reality, though, is that Lupe died a broken woman. The head-in-the-toilet story nothing but a cruel urban legend.
http://imageshack.com/a/img909/8425/0KRd71.jpghttps://mvozus.files.wordpress.com/2...prjofw0_12.jpg

Lupe, in her casket, finally at peace.
http://imageshack.com/a/img661/5792/a7W3RP.jpghttps://mvozus.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/vogel156.jpg

ethereal_reality Feb 13, 2015 2:55 AM

:previous: poor Lupe in her casket. :(


below: We're all familiar with this building on the northwest corner of Hollywood & Vine.

Hollywood Filmograph 1929.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...908/KZ5G3j.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/kclzcf.jpg
https://archive.org/details/hollywoodfilmogr91holl



below: Here's a rare look at the building in it's infancy. (decades before Melody Lane and Hody's)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/FjsrbX.jpg
_Hollywood Filmograph 1929 / detail_

Beaudry Feb 13, 2015 4:23 AM

I came across this slide in a pile of early-70s the other day, and my first reaction was, wait, what? What skyscraper were they building on Wilshire at Beaudry in the early-70s? And then I realized ooooh, this is when they expanded and re-skinned Signal!

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8603/...1cb46e7e_o.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8603/...9e9b46c2_o.jpg

(I wanted to share the slide in part because it includes Woodbury, an old favorite of ours...)

A few words about Signal Oil, why notcha. Charles Luckman & Assoc—began construction in October '58; it was finished in February 1960.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8642/...cb69317f_b.jpgusc

The United Air Lines bldg is 1954, and the white one west of it 1959, per city records. UAL as a white building with the concrete canopies and projecting windows, pretty nice modernist structure, once. Looks like its neighbor didn't dig the concrete screen effect on its windows and chopped 'em off.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7366/...27feb5c0_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7452/...139b1bfa_b.jpgusc

29 May 1973:

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8595/...0d486fcf_b.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8632/...95f930d9_b.jpg

Today:
http://www.you-are-here.com/los_angeles/signal_oil.jpgyouarehere

tovangar2 Feb 13, 2015 6:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6913506)

I had to laugh at The Huntington calling this wonderful 1902 C.C. Pierce panorama, "a slightly elevated view". It was taken from Angels Flight Observation Tower the year it opened.

tovangar2 Feb 13, 2015 7:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6913627)

below: Here's a rare look at the building in it's infancy. (decades before Melody Lane and Hody's)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/FjsrbX.jpg
_Hollywood Filmograph 1929 / detail_

Thank you for this one e-r. I love the tile work and the audacity of the monster billboards.

loyalton Feb 13, 2015 8:14 AM

It's baaaack!
 
Idle Hour is scheduled for reopening today, Friday the 13th.
http://la.curbed.com/tags/idle-hour-cafe
If you're curious and go, bring back some interior pics, please.

Here are the Connollys, the original owners, the photo probably from around opening day in 1941. Looks like there was a cutout letter shortage back then.
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7418/...97568534_o.jpgMuseum of the San Fernando Valley

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ur#post4939871

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ur#post6359692

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ur#post6767591

Flyingwedge Feb 13, 2015 9:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6907571)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6913451)
As C.C. Pierce took the photo from an upper-north window, or the roof, of the Vickrey-Brunswig building, it cannot be earlier than 1888.

I wish I could confirm the date of the Plaza design shown in the USC photo, as that might help. It looks very new. The Plaza was first cleaned up, rounded and landscaped in stages starting in 1871(after demolishing the reservoir, of course), probably in response to the Chinese Massacre (I'm sure Pio Pico had something to do with it too, as Pico House was very new). The fountain was elevated then; one had to access it with steps.

The Plaza became very overgrown and was again redone. Two Morton Bay figs were saved from the old landscaping, and another pair added (they're still there BTW) to the lovely Wheel-of-the-Year design of the park, but what year this happened, I don't know. I was hoping Nathan Masters would know, but he didn't say on his blog.

Here's a second C.C. Pierce photo to compliment the one HossC posted. Time to play spot-the difference (hint: they were not taken on the same day):

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-1...34425%2BPM.jpg
usc digital library zoomable version

I was trying to figure out when the top photo was taken when I came across your photo, T2. The plants and trees tell us your photo was taken a little before HossC's. Based on the size of the plants, pruning of and growth on trees, and lack of benches in the Plaza, I'd guess that your photo is 1892 and the other is 1893 or perhaps just later in 1892.

Consider these points from the LA Times and LA Herald . . .

Nov 9 1889: The Plaza is described as having "four large caoutchouc [rubber] trees, some shrubbery, a dry fountain and no seats, the whole surrounded by an iron fence."

Perhaps the fountain was broken?

Aug 15 1890 [LAH]: The Plaza is described as being "without seats or shade, except the four large caoutchouc trees . . ."

May 17 1892: "The motion by [Mr. Summerland] for benches in the plaza square met with ill success . . . ."

Oct 21 1892: "Two of the large rubber trees had to be topped, owing to damage sustained in last winter's windstorm."

That storm was on December 11, 1891. The trees on the east and west side of the Plaza certainly look like they've been topped.

Dec 8 1893: Installing some settees in the Plaza was considered, because some property owners said "the benches there at present were entirely inadequate." After some discussion of concern that undesirables might sleep on them, "At the suggestion of the mayor, six of the seats were ordered placed at the plaza . . . ."

Does "entirely inadequate" mean there were some seats in the Plaza? There are no seats in either photo above.

Jan 1 1894 [LAH]: Plaza park needs are described as "pruning two of the four large ficus macrophylla . . ."

The Plaza is consistently described in these articles as having four large trees; I can't explain why they're called both caoutchouc and ficus. I don't see any other tree there I'd call "large."

Jan 1 1896: "In this park there is a very pretty fountain, cement walks and numerous seats . . . ."


I too arrived at a no-earlier-than-1888 date for both photos above, but via the LA City Water Company building at Alameda and Marchessault, which opened on May 26, 1888 (per 5/27/88 LAT):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...u.jpg~original

Here's that building being torn down in 1939:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...o.jpg~original
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/90010/rec/11

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Originally Posted by JScott (Post 6911625)
One curiosity I found in the details of the image above was the presence of one of those electric arc light masts in what appears to be the backyard of someone's mansion atop Brooklyn Heights. Whose house was this, I wonder?

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...lynheights.jpg
U.S.C. Digital Library

At the risk of going out on a soon-to-be-pruned caoutchouc or ficus limb, I'm saying that the house on the hill in the distance is 527 Prospect Place, shown here (with a 0 address) closeup on the 1894 Sanborn Map:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...2.jpg~original
LAPL

Here it is on the 1906 Map as 527 Prospect:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...y.jpg~original
LAPL

527 Prospect is in the upper right corner of this wider 1894 view. The bridge over the creek (between "Street" and "Pleasant") is on Macy Street, which today with Brooklyn Avenue is all the same street: Cesar Chavez Avenue. The area between Gallardo Street on the left and Prospect Place -- now Progress Place -- on the right is where the San Bernardino Freeway is today:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...1.jpg~original
LAPL

The same area today on GoogleMaps: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0535...2541,18z?hl=en

From 1892 until at least 1899, 527 Prospect Place (not Avenue) was the home of Richard Molony (not Moloney):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...g.jpg~original
1893 LA City Directory @ Fold3.com

Richard Molony lived to be 99 and has his own Wikipedia page!: http://dbase1.lapl.org/webpics/calin.../07/517865.pdf

JScott Feb 13, 2015 3:36 PM

Just one more post about this pretty Plaza pic and I'll be quiet again. :rolleyes:

http://otters.net/img/lanoir/plaza_c1888_crop_1152.jpg
U.S.C. Digital Library (All)

Some interesting finds with the Zoom view:

Did Chinatown at one time actually extend westward to include the Plaza?

A Chinese storefront sign on the Tapia/Olvera adobe (at right).
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/chines...storefront.jpg


More Chinese signage on the Lugo House (far upper left), with two men in traditional garb on an adjoining stoop (far lower right).
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/chinesecharacterslugo.jpg


Still more Chinese signage on the Navarro building on Marchessault Street next to the Lugo House. Also a sign in English for what appears to be a tea merchant named Tung San(g?). One man on the street corner is in Western dress, while the other appears to be wearing a "tailed" overgarment. (There's a third person on the stoop in the shadows, too.)
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/chineseonmarchessault.jpg


I would love to be able to read these old bills!
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/winestreetbills.jpg


A lawn sprinkler, and electric-powered fountain. If you think about it, these water fixtures and their usage for strictly aesthetic purposes are fairly audacious symbolic statements by the city, a quarter century before the Lankershim miracle.
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/plazaf...dsprinkler.jpg

And what is that contraption at upper right?

A closer look.
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/plazawhatsis.jpg

To me, it kind of resembles an upright piano, but I doubt that's what it really is.


Another electric light! I think this image could be detailed enough that an expert on such matters could tell us the make, model and year this lamp was produced.
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/electr...plazac1888.jpg


And what, praytell, could this ornamental fixture be purposed for? Possibly a drinking fountain? If so, you'd have to be very careful not to slice open your scalp on one of those many sharp metal edges above it. (Perhaps the top part is meant to discourage its use by horses?)
https://otters.net/img/lanoir/plazao...lsomething.jpg


Speaking of horses, there are none to be seen. Anywhere. No obvious horse manure, either, though there might be a few nuggets over there on Wine Street. Still, the roads look remarkably clean for a still exclusively horse-drawn city.


And even more curious, there are no people on the Plaza. Not a one. And what else is missing? It's perhaps not an obvious absence at first glance, but look: there isn't a single seat or bench of any kind, or any other horizontal surface that a person could use to sit on and relax and enjoy this picturesque little park. (EDIT: Flyingwedge apparently beat me to the punch on this one!)

Was this a 19th century version of today's Pershing Square approach to "no loitering?"

ethereal_reality Feb 13, 2015 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JScott (Post 6914105)

And what, praytell, could this ornamental fixture be purposed for? Possibly a drinking fountain? If so, you'd have to be very careful
not to slice open your scalp on one of those many sharp metal edges above it. (Perhaps the top part is meant to discourage its use by horses?)

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...lsomething.jpg




JScott, here is a close-up of the ornamental fixture/fountain with young boys to give you a sense of the size.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/7Gidrt.jpg
old file #1

On the right there appears to be a sign tacked on the tree trunk.



close up: I believe it says 'Keep Off The Grass'.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...909/L9GJjX.jpg
detail



a slightly larger look at the ornamental 'fountain'.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/gOmITd.jpg



And here's a good look at one of the sprinkler heads. (is that a young Joe Roig on the right? ;))

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/uWuk3t.jpg
detail




All these details are from this glass slide that was for sale a couple years ago on ebay. (it took me awhile to find it again)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/901/QyRrTk.jpg
old file #1 / originally found on ebay

If you look closely, there is a bench at the extreme left edge of the slide.
Also note that the mission bell tower has been remodeled. (I never understood why they did that)


below: A close look at a couple of the stores.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/rZK8qC.jpg



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/6ZFSQM.jpg

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tovangar2 Feb 13, 2015 6:50 PM

Thank you Flyingwedge. What a wonderful post.

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6913891)
I was trying to figure out when the top photo was taken when I came across your photo, T2. The plants and trees tell us your photo was taken a little before HossC's. Based on the size of the plants, pruning of and growth on trees, and lack of benches in the Plaza, I'd guess that your photo is 1892 and the other is 1893.

I would have guessed though that "my" photo was later than HossC's as two more palms have been added to the Plaza in mine. The first difference that jumped out at me between the two photos was that all the deciduous trees are in full leaf in HossC's photo, but bare in the other (check out the copse that shows above the roof of the Olvera Adobe for example). Also the north flowerbed in the Plaza has bloomed. Plus Plaza House's rooftop pole has lost its bobble, etc, etc

Thank you for figuring out why the two trees are trimmed in the photo. I thought they must have been pruned for transplanting, but I think one can make out all four of them in the previous landscape scheme. Also, here (notice the steps up to the then-fountain).

These four trees are absolute monsters now. Between them and the brick wall (which seems to have been there since the 1920s), the Plaza is all but closed off. I'd go back to the design in the old photos in a heartbeat, even though it might mean taking out four 144-year-old trees.

See also here, here and here.

And finally, some benches (see extreme left and right).

Benches here too:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-B...21923%2BPM.jpg
Werner Von Boltenstern Postcard Collection, Department of Archives and Special Collections, Loyola Marymount University Library via Nathan Masters

Thank you too JScott. We had fun with this.

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Originally Posted by JScott (Post 6914105)
Did Chinatown at one time actually extend westward to include the Plaza?

Yes! And then some.



I've just seen your last post e-r. Thank you so much. Gorgeous.

WS1911 Feb 13, 2015 9:30 PM

What year were the bells installed
 
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6914466)
All these details are from this glass slide that was for sale a couple years ago on ebay. (it took me awhile to find it again)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/901/QyRrTk.jpg
old file #1 / originally found on ebay

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Such a great photo, ER!

Does anyone know the exact year when the three bells were reinstalled at the top of the Plaza Church, replacing the gazebo? And also what year was the gazebo installed. I've always been curious about this and thought maybe the bells were put in around 1900.

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ethereal_reality Feb 13, 2015 10:23 PM

I come across a lot of 'Ostrich Cart' photos on ebay, but this one stood apart.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/TGv0Ih.jpg
ebay

:previous: I've never noticed that large house with the Alligator Farm sign on top before.

-the Ostrich Farm and the Alligator Farm were next door to each other (see map below)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...661/B2Q4U9.png
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tovangar2 Feb 13, 2015 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6914466)

Also note that the mission bell tower has been remodeled. (I never understood why they did that)

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Ramona and the Mission Play.

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Originally Posted by WS1911 (Post 6914782)


Does anyone know the exact year when the three bells were reinstalled at the top of the Plaza Church, replacing the gazebo? And also what year was the gazebo installed. I've always been curious about this and thought maybe the bells were put in around 1900.

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I think the bells and bell wall were added in 1900 1903. The church, including the belvedere/gazabo, was built in 1861 by the first Bishop of Los Angeles, Thaddeus Amat, who also had St Vibiana's built. The former 1822 church on this site had totally collapsed, although it's been said that some material from the old church was used in building the new one. Just for the record, Plaza Church was never a mission or even an asistencia, that's been debunked over and over.

One can see the old church in the 1858 photo of Los Angeles. It was quite different:

http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_focus/00008203.jpg
lapl


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