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tovangar2 Dec 29, 2012 1:47 AM

1309 Ceres
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DouglasUrantia (Post 5952790)
I suspect the 'capped' chimney was a victim of some previous earthquake, as we can see it in old photos, standing proud and tall.

There were three chimneys. They make a big difference to the roofline. They could have rebuilt them around flues after the earthquake. Every chimney in our road went down in the '94 quake. They were all replaced.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6...959%2520PM.jpg
cc pierce

tovangar2 Dec 29, 2012 2:15 AM

human-scale streetlamps
 
Speaking of out-of-scale streetlamps and etc.. I often notice when streetlamps are "replaced" for filming to add charm and scale to locations.
Here's a grab from a TV show shot on the 1300 block of Cota in Torrance.
I guess one's supposed to not notice the big, out-of-scale, arched lamp in the background:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b...219%2520PM.jpg
netflix

In the 70's (before my time here) city crews showed up here on the old Janss tract in West LA to junk our original streetlamps and replace them with a couple of big, new arched ones per block.
Apparently, the residents chased them off with torches and pitchforks. The city hasn't bothered with us since.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Y...103%2520PM.jpg
gsv

I'm sure our lamps are horribly inefficient and they're the worst when it comes to light pollution but they're human scale and friendly.
Plus I'm sure taking them out would have a negative effect on RE prices.

tovangar2 Dec 29, 2012 4:27 AM

Myer Siegel House Gutted by Fire
 
Once Myer Siegel's mansion, by 1941 a rooming house:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...702%2520PM.jpg
reddawg - ebay

listed as being at 1337 South Hope

The contrast could not be more stark:

Myer Siegel's, Westwood, 1937:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00098/00098486.jpg
first posted by BifRayRock

Old & decrepit vs. clean and new

sgtpepper1138 Dec 29, 2012 5:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5952809)
There were three chimneys. They make a big difference to the roofline. They could have rebuilt them around flues after the earthquake. Every chimney in our road went down in the '94 quake. They were all replaced.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6...959%2520PM.jpg
cc pierce

Especially for a house that big, I'm curious what they used for heating after they chimney's were removed.

DouglasUrantia Dec 29, 2012 7:26 AM

Natural Gas.....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sgtpepper1138 (Post 5952939)
Especially for a house that big, I'm curious what they used for heating after they chimney's were removed.

In Southern California most people use natural gas for heating. The fireplace is often only used for holidays and on rare occasions.



At one time these huge natural gas holding tanks dominated the skyline of Los Angeles.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps4112675d.jpg

tovangar2 Dec 29, 2012 8:04 PM

The Up Hotel, (A L Haley,1902), Ceres & Central
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 5952744)
A hotel at Central and Ceres (looking south) - 1955

It's hard not to like this building, with the curving corner looking like a ship's prow. I'd love to see a 1902 shot when it was new, or at least before it lost part of its roofline trim.
Was it actually called the "Up Hotel" or is part of the sign missing?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-o...550%2520AM.jpg
lapl

I'm really relating to the lady who's dragged a chair outdoors to sit in the shade and get some relief from the obvious heat.

GaylordWilshire Dec 29, 2012 8:55 PM

:previous:

Rather than the "Up" it's the U P Hotel (525 S Central), which appears to have been its name from the mid '20s to at least the mid '40s. I'm thinking that it may be "U.P." as in Union Pacific...do I see periods after the U and the P?

GaylordWilshire Dec 29, 2012 9:10 PM

The environs of Ceres Avenue have always intrigued me... in its obscurity the east side between Main Street and the river seems somehow to be the real vintage Los Angeles.... Here are a few
scenes of the neighborhood...


http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/819...scompl1300.jpg
710 Ceres Street...


http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/5...scompl1300.jpg
1228 East 8th Street...


http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9...acompl1300.jpg
Northeast corner of South San Pedro and Agatha streets... we might have seen this before...


http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/3...scompl1300.jpg
Looking south down Stanford Ave from East 6th... at left is the Ellis Hotel. A fuller view is below.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7976/ellisfull1300.jpg


And this bring us back to the La Jolla, catty-corner to the Ellis:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_z...23343%20PM.jpg

More here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2994


All b&w: LAPL; color: GoogleSV

BifRayRock Dec 29, 2012 9:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5953238)
It's hard not to like this building, with the curving corner looking like a ship's prow. I'd love to see a 1902 shot when it was new, or at least before it lost part of its roofline trim.
Was it actually called the "Up Hotel" or is part of the sign missing?

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics44/00041854.jpglapl
lapl

Source notes describe the property as once being a "high class hotel," without naming it. Per 1915 directory, the building may have been dubbed the "Hotel Matson," 511-525 S. Central Ave. When full, the concierge recommends the Hotel St. Louis at 653 S. Central Ave. :rolleyes: http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...earch_doc=2441

Then, there's always the more-substantial Produce Hotel at 676 S. Central.

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/47/137...c9fb837a_o.jpgFlickr


South Vignes Street (?)
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/52/137...a4b03eae_o.jpgFlickr

East 4th Street Bridge
http://farm1.staticflickr.com/46/137...9abb311b_o.jpgFlickr

tovangar2 Dec 29, 2012 9:36 PM

the Warehouse District / A. L. Haley Co.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5953282)
:previous:

Rather than the "Up" it's the U P Hotel (525 S Central), which appears to have been its name from the mid '20s to at least the mid '40s. I'm thinking that it may be "U.P." as in Union Pacific...do I see periods after the U and the P?

When zoomed to 400% even I can see the full stops. Thx. "Union Pacific" makes a lot more sense then "UP".
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i...336%2520PM.jpg
lapl

It is an interesting (and inexpensive) neighbohood. As we saw in the Rat Lab and Castle Cottage Cheese posts there used to be quite a few single-family homes on the cross streets, all gone now. There's still some apts and SRO hotels on the north/south streets, but really, the housing is minimal.

P.S. A little more on the architect of the Ceres/Central hotel, "Identified with the grand and progressive work of modernizing Los Angeles":

"A. L. Haley, Architect (Inc.)
A. L. Haley, known to property owners, contractors and builders as "the lawyer-architect," Is president of the A. L. Haley Architect company (Inc.), and Is prominently Identified with the grand and progressive work of modernizing Los Angeles and suburban cities in the line of planning and constructing solid and ornamental buildings, both in the business and residence districts. The new offices of the Haley company are In suite 631, Citizens National Bank building, on the southwest corner of Third and Main streets, the rooms being fitted up In fine style and with special consideration for the comfort and convenience of the large force of skilled draughtsmen in the employ of the company. Mr. Haley, who is recognized as among the best architects of the United States, is a native of Malone, N. Y. At the early age of 15 he won first prize for artistic drawing at the Centennial exposition at Philadelphia, and subsequently In competition with twenty-two architects he produced the plans drawn and accepted for the Blue Garth county court house erected at Mankato, Minn., the building being erected at a cost of $200,000. ln Minneapolis, San Francisco, Seattle and other coast cities Mr. Haley Berved as a volunteer during the >SpaninhAmerican war In the ship building department in the Union iron works at San Francisco. Since locating in Los Angeles Mr. Haley has had charge of improvements Involving the expenditure of millions of dollars and In all his dealings with contractors and property owners he has enjoyed their full confidence as to his ability and Integrity. He planned and built the Harry Harrington at the corner of Fifth and Central, the Touralne on Hope street, the Wllhelm on Grand avenue, the Maryland on Grand avenue, the Bisbee, now the Manhattan, on Bast Third street, and has drawn the plans for the great Tlvoll, to be erected on South Spring street. He has built scores of dwellings and bungalows In Los Angeles and in the suburbs, all bearing the impress of his skill and excellence."


-quoted from Los Angeles Herald, Volume 34, Number 167, 17 March 1907
http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cdnc/cgi-bin/cdn...ARTICLE---1907

Haley collaborated with AC Martin on the Higgins Building (1910):
http://www.steventeoh.com/la-graphic...g-lofts-05.jpg
higginsbuildinglofts

Apparently Clarence Darrow had his offices here while defending the LA Times bombers.


More on the Higgins:
http://blogdowntown.com/2010/09/5689...-building-hits

And a little more on the Lanterman house:

http://www.metropolitanmoneypit.com/...man-house.html

http://www.realtor.com/realestateand...1_M15558-40553


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ened_Porch.JPG
wiki

GaylordWilshire Dec 29, 2012 9:50 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAT Feb 2, 1909


I'm fascinated by poor 'ole Wiley's viewing his demise as "trying a change"....

Flyingwedge Dec 29, 2012 10:21 PM

Central Manufacturing District Terminal, Vernon
 
Designed by Chicago architect Frank Chase and built in 1924, the Central Manufacturing District Terminal (CMDT) was located at 4814 Loma Vista in Vernon. You can read about the creation of the Central Manufacturing District in Metropolis in the Making: Los Angeles in the 1920s, edited by Tom Sitton and William Deverell (University of California Press, 2001).

Here's an early view, when it housed the Westland Warehouses:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...intheday-1.jpg
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics18/00018837.jpg

The CMDT, before its two wings were extended, is at the extreme left of this 1926 view. The LA Union Stock Yards (thanks to tovangar2 and alanlutz for your kind words about my stock yards post :tup:) are just left of the LA River, above and to the right of the CMDT:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...926LARiver.jpg
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics17/00028269.jpg

The tower held a water tank. I wish this picture was in color to better see the tile:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...rcloseup-1.jpg
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics39/00069377.jpg

There was a rooftop restaurant, the Executive Club, along with a patio garden:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ntgarden-1.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00100/00100719.jpg

This tile-covered planter looks a little weedy. Or is it an overgrown fountain?
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...tgarden2-1.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00100/00100718.jpg

1956 rear view:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ookingwest.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00089/00089270.jpg

Near the end, mid-1980s:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...11flickr-1.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/emd111/...n/photostream/

According to an October 1986 LA Times article, and the Pacific Coast Warehouse Company website, the PCWC moved to Chino in May 1987, just before the CMDT was fatally damaged by the October 1987 Whittier Narrows Earthquake and subsequently torn down. Good timing, PCWC!
http://articles.latimes.com/1986-11-...ajestic-realty
http://www.pcwc.com/news

[First six pics from LAPL; last pic from emd111 on flickr]

GaylordWilshire Dec 29, 2012 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5953294)
Then, there's always the more-substantial Produce Hotel at 676 S. Central.

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/47/137...c9fb837a_o.jpgFlickr


http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/7038/producecompl.jpgLAT March 27, 1938

tovangar2 Dec 29, 2012 11:12 PM

CMDT, Vernon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 5953343)
Designed by Chicago architect Frank Chase and built in 1924, the Central Manufacturing District Terminal (CMDT) was located at 4814 Loma Vista in Vernon. You can read about the creation of the Central Manufacturing District in Metropolis in the Making: Los Angeles in the 1920s, edited by Tom Sitton and William Deverell (University of California Press, 2001).


There was a rooftop restaurant, the Executive Club, along with a patio garden:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ntgarden-1.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00100/00100719.jpg

Gorgeous. You certainly have an eye for monumental buildings :-)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0...619%2520PM.jpg
emd111/flickr

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...620%2520PM.jpg
http://www.pcwc.com

The new facility :-(
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-D...616%2520PM.jpg
http://www.pcwc.com

But, hey, palms.

I do like a nice tile & concrete dome:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Hall_Nima1.JPG
wiki

BHCH (Wm Gage, 1932)

tovangar2 Dec 30, 2012 12:21 AM

FMLY Fest 2012 - LA Fort on NOTORIOUS Ceres Ave
 
OK people, be there or be square. 2nite & tomorrow:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S...608%2520PM.jpg
http://www.fmlyfest.org/storage/Scre...=1356650827613
http://www.fmlyfest.org/storage/Scre...=1356650703183

A fave: Truman Peyote, 2nite @9:20 on notorious Ceres Ave
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KDzFCG5C_I

ten bucks for one night/$15 for both

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-S...143%2520PM.jpg
LA Times, 10 Feb 1914

GaylordWilshire Dec 30, 2012 12:52 AM

:previous:

Why is this here?

tovangar2 Dec 30, 2012 1:18 AM

736 Ceres
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5953451)
:previous:

Why is this here?

Because LA Fort is one of the reasons (the 1924 Rat Lab is the other) why we were talking about Ceres Ave. Anyone in town is welcome to come and experience the neighborhood tonight in (relative) safety. And b/c FredH asked.

TheTalmadge Dec 30, 2012 1:28 AM

[QUOTE=tovangar2;5936751]The Afton Arms (6141 Afton Place at El Centro, Hollywood) rivals even the Alexandria Hotel for faded glamour, murders, drug-deals-gone-wrong and a clinging rep for noir. Persistently, but implausibly, rumored to have been built at the behest of Joseph P. Kennedy for Gloria Swanson (she was said to have frequented the only two-story apartment in the building, a luxe space with a spiral staircase). Gracious, beautifully-appointed apartments with dressing rooms and luxurious Batchelder-tiled bathrooms, together with spacious, light-filled hallways (courtesy of each apartment's French front door) made the place, nicknamed the Malaga Castle, a highly desirable address for actors and directors working at nearby Columbia, RKO and Paramount. Dumbwaiters ferried meals to residents from the basement kitchens. In 1947 the Hollywood Ten used the Grand Ballroom for meetings to plan their response to HUAC. After hitting a real low in the 1970's (unfortunately the time I knew it), the Afton Arms is struggling back. Designed by Leland Bryant in 1924, five years before he did the Sunset Tower/Argyle/St James Club. Historic Cultural Monument #463.

Afton Arms (Leland Byant, 1924)
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...h0ycoGux3EdX3A
the city project/flickr

6141 Afton Place, at El Centro
http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/p...m/16903653.jpg
panoramino

http://blog.allanellenberger.com/wp-...s/SSC_0046.JPG
allenellenberger.com

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...2tj3hBJU-Yp8WQ
ecru64/flickr

the discreet side door
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yd9qV02w6q...-side-door.JPG
hollywoodrounder

Gloria Swanson, 1919
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zAoyoHwC5I...%281919%29.jpg
lolitaclassics

7 of Ten
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk...llywood10a.jpg
spartacus

Stars march in support of the Ten
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_myX5Q4qMDh...l-baca-480.jpg
truthdig

My first apartment was at the Afton Arms when I moved to Hollywood in 1976. Looks much nicer now.

GaylordWilshire Dec 30, 2012 1:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5953469)
Because LA Fort is one of the reasons (the 1924 Rat Lab is the other) why we were talking about Ceres Ave. Anyone in town is welcome to come and experience the neighborhood tonight in (relative) safety. And b/c FredH asked.

Rat lab, yes. LA Fort, no. I know you want to help out your daughter, but--sorry--I don't really like seeing an ad here taking advantage of the thread. Do you have a facebook page?

tovangar2 Dec 30, 2012 1:40 AM

The Afton Arms
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheTalmadge (Post 5953479)

My first apartment was at the Afton Arms when I moved to Hollywood in 1976. Looks much nicer now.

Had the management boarded up the French front doors to each apartment when you were there? I can't remember what year that happened. The hallways had been light-filled until then. They were spooky and dark afterwards. Management then sent crews to paint the Batchelder-tiled baths with bright blue enamel in an updating effort. The residents drew the line there.

I remember how much the tenants loved the building, even at its worst. One couple I knew had their baby born at home there, b/c they liked it so much.


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