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https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7906/...3cd011e7_o.png And it seems he sold it not to Banning, but to Carl Seidel, for here we are in May 1884: https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7893/...986d88eb_o.png Mary Hollister Banning purchased it from Seidel in 1887, lived there with daughters Misses Mary and Lucy. The 1900 census shows just Mary, 52, with Anna Pendergrast, her 26-yo servant from Ireland, and Soledad Fuentes, an 11-yo servant from Mexico. In 1910 she's still there, with her daughter Lucy Greenleaf and son-in-law Mace and three servants, two male, one female (1910 is also the year Lucy dumps Mace for the son of a prominent judge). Mary is last listed at the house in 1914, and it becomes apartments; in the 1920 census MHB is living in Pomona by her lonesome (her filling out the census being the last thing she ever did, apparently—she died in 1919). |
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This is LA but I don't know where. Anyone know or can take a guess?
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Remember the Epworth League? (METHODIST ASSOCIATION)
The Question. 1915 decorated car The Answer. Lorendoc / The Epworth League https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/wnhplv.jpg I dug a little deeper, and arrived at a Social Justice website that has some fascinating photographs chronicling the birth of Goodwill. Many of locations [of the PHOTOGRAPHS] are a bit vague, but a majority of them are in the vicinity of the Plaza and the nearby Methodist Mexican(?) Church. I'll start with this mystery location. "Three men stand next to a Goodwill Industries of Southern California truck, c. 1921" https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/L06gdp.jpg museumofsocialjustice A good clue, obviously, is the 'El Camino Bell' as well as... the haunted-looking house atop the hill. THIS ONE. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/6qoM05.jpg DETAIL I should probably know.....but I don't. . |
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Mystery Adobe Can anyone figure out...who lived in, [or] what business was located in the adobe building? (I don't know where to put my commas) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/O3dm4R.jpg museumofsocialjustice It's obviously in the process of being torn down. ( there is some writing on it, but I can't read it) The adobe was eventually replaced by this... "1917 Chapel Methodist Mexican" https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/BmTxrq.jpg museumofsocialjustice "Two wooden portable buildings built in 1917 contained the Plaza Mexican Methodist Church and the Plaza Goodwill Store, which offered medical, dental, employment, and general welfare services." . |
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https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7888/...9497ce88_o.pngdwp It's looming down on J M Gallegos's place at 324 Sunset. In the map below, 324 is at bottom right. The Banning place is at 535 Broadway, upper left, above the "A" in Broadway. https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7801/...637f2cee_o.pngbaist https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/L06gdp.jpg |
Never Give a Sucker an Even Break
Last weekend I saw W.C. Fields' last starring movie: Never Give a Sucker an Even Break (1941 - original story credited to our own Otis Criblecoblis). Towards the end of the movie, there is a 5 minute chase scene which has excellent exterior shots of the warehouse district downtown, Atwater Village, and the Cahuenga Pass. At least 3 Noirish LA posters have commented on this chase: 3940dxer and GaylordWilshire back on page 1417, and Scott Charles elsewhere.
Here's a link to a brief 2 minute, 40 second clip from the first portion of the chase, well worth watching: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VT...xYA0_LNIZi2Vtb The most interesting to me are the downtown shots. And it is good I googled before putting effort into identifying each of them: last year, John Bengtson made a terrific and detailed blog post on these locations: In the comments section of Bengtson's blog, Scott Charles contributed a missing chase location ID. The downtown venues were shot in the area bounded by E 6th, Alameda, E 7th, and the river: https://i.imgur.com/tqN6LX0.jpg Google Maps Bengtson has some great "then and nows" - well worth seeing. Here's a "then" that he didn't include. It fits between his location 16) and 17). Fields' car careens east down Produce Street past the Certain-Teed Products company warehouse and makes a quick jog south towards the California Warehouse building, then left to continue on the next east-west street which is Wholesale St. Here is the Sanborn map: https://i.imgur.com/qrFi5VV.jpg lapl.org At 1:00 there is a scene of well-dressed citizens exiting south through an arcade from E 6th to Produce Street. They are immediately set upon by Fields' car and are forced to jump out of their shoes to get out of the way in time. This is followed by a view of 2 confused motorcycle cops driving in circles outside an adjacent building with a sign "Beekeepers Supplies - Honey Beeswax." https://i.imgur.com/6ravfgQ.jpg Universal Pictures I wondered if this were a real business or just something made up for the movie. I looked in the CDs and found that bee products actually were a thing, although the only business listed was several blocks away from where Bengtson placed these shots. But looking more closely at the Sanborn above, there is an "apiary supplies" building at 1300 Produce. Searching for that address yielded several entries for the Diamond Match Company, which does not appear to be insect-related at first sight. This company, according to Wikipedia, continues to be the leading producer of matches (12B/yr) in the USA, and was controlled in the 1920s by Ivar Kreuger, the Swedish Match King - "a genius and swindler," the "Leonardo of larcenists," according to John Kenneth Galbraith. Kreuger operated Diamond Match as his personal Ponzi scheme until his (suspicious) death in 1932. So what about these bees? Google provided the answer in an AP wire story from August 3, 2004: CHICO, Calif. (AP) -- One of the original Diamond Match factory buildings in Chico has gone up in flames, apparently a victim of arson. |
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"View of the residence of Don Agustine (Augustine) Olvera on the corner of Los Angeles Street and Marchesault Street, ca.1880" http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Residence1.jpg USC Digital Library From the description: Photograph of the residence of Don Agustine (Augustine) Olvera on the corner of Los Angeles and Marchesault streets, ca.1880. Built by Don Tiburcio Tapia in 1854(?--source Bill Mason lists Tapia as having died in 1847), the long, one-story house appears to be engaging in commercial interests: café tables are visible beneath its covered porch, at one of which several people are sitting. Signs adorn the outside of the house and read "Murray & Ready", "Other Offices", "Sohombres", "If your [...] call me early [...] for to morrow [...]". Both streets are unpaved. Telephone poles are visible to the front and side of the house, and man riding a bicycle can be seen at the extreme left with is back to the camera. The site would later become the location of the Mexican Methodist Church and Clinic. |
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....................................................................................................................'Katherine Higgins holds baby Virginia Argilez, 1918." https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/OKZXEw.jpg museumofsocialjustice "Virginia's mother was sent to the Plaza Community Center for care, two weeks after giving birth to Virginia on the train from Mexico. Katherine and others brought them to the clinic for medical attention and promised the mother a job mending clothes in the Goodwill Industries. Virginia was the first child put in the Day Nursery and her mother "headed the list as the first employee at the Goodwill Industries.” |
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Mystery building on Bloom St. The following photographs show a building on Bloom St. that had some sort of connection to the early days of Goodwill Industries in Los Angeles. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/IgqERz.jpg museumofsocialjustice.......................................................................................................................................................................................It resembles a mini-me alamo. hrmmph. but no street address. 2nd photo. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/X65IRM.jpg museumofsocialjustice Supposedly, the woman standing second from the left is Katherine Higgins, the lady holding baby Virginia in my prev. post All from museumofsocialjustice (direct link to this story) . |
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https://i.imgur.com/syQ4Re7.jpg rescarta.lapl.org The Spanish (a.k.a. Mexican) Mission was established in 1903. https://i.imgur.com/cgdI8GP.jpg cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 9 January 1904 https://i.imgur.com/nSsaFtR.jpg cdnc.ucr.edu - Highland Park News-Herald - 23 May 1908 "In 1914 the mission moved to a rented hall closer to the Plaza at 110 Commercial Street and was renamed the First Mexican Methodist Episcopal Church. Evangelistic meetings were held in the Plaza and Bloom Street was converted to a free clinic and welfare center." https://www.museumofsocialjustice.org/about.html |
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1954? according to source. Maybe earlier. :shrug: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/a...1&d=1401359049https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/a...1&d=1401359049https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qRrR4arsbv4/maxresdefault.jpghttps://i.ytimg.com/vi/qRrR4arsbv4/maxresdefault.jpg |
As a 45 year resident and proud Angeleno, I have to say this one really stings...from the front page of a Madison WI. newspaper....dated May 7, 1937....
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"1954? according to source. Maybe earlier. " Based on that Ford making a right turn, it's not earlier than 1952. Cheers, Earl |
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Nancy's Stand and George's Garage - Little Tokyo
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I found this L.A. Times article a few weeks ago it was written five days after I started working in Little Tokyo in 1985. http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/q...okyo%201_1.png http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/q...0Tokyo%202.png Nancy was friendly and seemed to know almost everyone. She served good fast food, but if you were looking for vegetables, your choices were potatoes (french fried) or pinto beans. Mas labored away in incredibly tight quarters. You could fit maybe two vehicles in the shop. The rest was crammed with tools and spare parts. Our company had a Volkswagen pick-up that seemed to spend a lot of time in his garage, so I got to know Mas a little. He was always in good spirits and never seemed flustered by the amount of work he had lined up behind the shop. When I read the article, I was surprised to learn that both Nancy and Mas had been interned as children during World War Two. Neither one seemed to hold a grudge or was inclined to play the victim. I don't know where they ended up after they closed up in Little Tokyo. They were both good people. Little Tokyo back in the day: http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/q...Capture3_2.png Earl Witscher, Modernage Photo Service Little Tokyo now: http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/q...Capture2_2.png Google Maps As you can see, the old Brunswig Drug warehouse was right across the street from Nancy and Mas. In 1986, it was stripped down to the steel frame and rebuilt as a beautiful office building, now called Brunswig Square. Yeah, I liked the old Little Tokyo better. |
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Was it a Dream?
On one of my routes from Culver City (where I worked) to West Hollywood, I remember that I would pass Chippendales strip club. (this would have been around 1984 or 85).
It might have been their original location. If I remember correctly, the street was Overland Ave. (I worked in a building just inside the Overland Gate at MGM) -so it makes sense. This rather nondescript building...about a block north of Venice Blvd.... comes closest to what I remember as Chippendales. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/wb2ohI.jpg GSV The word, CHIPPENDALE'S...was painted in LARGE black lettering, horizontally across the top third of the bldg. Before I found out it was a strip bar I thought it was a furniture store. (you know, Chippendale's..like the famous chairs) lol Did I dream this location? :shrug: Was Chippendales really located in Culver City? (not exactly a hot spot back in the 1980s) Here's an aerial to give you an idea of how the building is situated on the west side of street. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/x4Aogw.jpg So far, I haven't found any proof that Chippendales was located in Culver City. (this would have been before they became world famous) I eventually switched to Robertson Blvd. as my escape route. ;) . |
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A 1982 episode of CHiPs, "Trained for Trouble", visited Chippendales - the storyline involved a stripper who looked like Ponch. According to this Wiki page about the episode, "...the club finally closed its doors on December 15, 1988, located at 3739 Overland Avenue...". That's only 100 yards north of the building you posted, e_r. It's now an adult day care. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ppendales1.jpg GSV Here's a screengrab I made of the sign. http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ppendales2.jpg chips-tv.com |
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Does anyone know the history of the Brunswig buildings in Los Angeles? In the photo above (behind Katherine), we have the original Bruswig warehouse next to the Plaza Church. http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/q...y/download.jpg LAPL In this 1979 photo, the warehouse has been converted into a Juvenile Courts Building. http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/q...rts%20bldg.png LAPL This area is now a vacant lot. http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/q...nckley/lot.png Google Maps Just down the street is the old Brunswig office building/lab, which has been recently renovated http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/q...swig%20lab.png LAPl Lastly, we have the remodeled Brunswig warehouse/factory building in Little Tokyo that I noted in a recent post. Does anyone have the dates (and or details) on all this? I have no idea why they went over to Little Tokyo to build their "new" warehouse. |
Gun Crazy .....dedicated to all the Noirishers
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While I was driving around in the google-mobile, looking for the old Chippendales building, I happened upon this apartment building at 3374 Overland Ave. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/lu8TYN.jpg GSV Do you notice anything odd about it? Let's take a closer look, shall we. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/kaIvr5.jpg Do you see what I'm talking about now? :lmao: And right around the corner from the Crapi you'll find....... https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/zozCwb.jpg GSV The CheeZee Apartments https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/Mer2qO.jpg at10617 Woodbine St. I would wager a guess that both apartment buildings are owned by the same person. (with tongue firmly planted in cheek) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Z9SSaU.jpg google_earth . |
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There seems to be a lot of those "named" apartments in L.A. with the word "Capri." There are several named the Villa Capri. Maybe they were having some amusement with that idea/name? I can't believe it was just misspelled, but anything's possible! Heh! Also, remember this restaurant, previously discussed, at 6735 Yucca Street? https://i2.wp.com/martinturnbull.com...Capri-copy.jpg That location is now the Hollywood Condos: https://cdn2.condo.com/building/medi...3378b81_dt.jpgTop L.A. Condos |
Yes Martin. It's a play on the word 'Capri'. That's what makes it funny. lol
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I worked in Culver City from about 1977-1983 and I recall going by the Chippendales place, but like E_R, I don't recall this sign! I don't think I was by there at night, though. If memory serves, that area is the "Palms" section of Los Angeles. _______ https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...StreetSign.jpgTierra Properties |
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Yes... L.A. Times Mapping L.A. boundaries of "Palms." https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...California.pngWikimedia Palms (originally "The Palms") is a highly diverse, densely populated community in the Westside region of Los Angeles, California, founded in 1886 and the oldest neighborhood annexed to the city, in 1915. The 1886 tract was marketed as an agricultural and vacation community. Today it is a primarily residential area, with a large number of apartment buildings, ribbons of commercial zoning and a single-family residential area in its northwest corner. Under Attractions: Palms has a large number of Indian and Pakistani restaurants and businesses. In addition, it is also one of the centers of the Brazilian community in Los Angeles, with a number of Brazilian-oriented restaurants and shops, and one nightclub. In 1979, the original Chippendales erotic male dancing club at 3739 Overland Avenue at McCune Avenue was started by Bengali immigrant Steve Banerjee when he turned his nightclub-disco, Destiny II, into a venue for male strippers. http://www.tierraproperties.com/west...ty_profile.htm HossC, notes in his above post it closed Dec. 15, 1988, which appears to be the result of a lot of turmoil, according to the wiki page: For Chippendales, the early 1980's were filled with major lawsuits pertaining to personal injury, alleged sexual bias against male guests, charges of racial discrimination and later in 1988 bankruptcy due to Banerjee's refusal to pay a $300,000+ (approx) printing invoice to Anderson Lithograph for a layout error created by a Culver City advertising firm, Haiku Advertising whereby the 1987 Chippendales calendar had 31 days in each month. This L.A. Times article of September, 1988, describes it as "battling to keep it's doors open, after a judge upheld the closing of Chippendales' West Los Angeles club." Apparently the club was battling fire regulations with the number of patrons etc. The article said they were planning to move to where the El Rey theatre was located on Wilshire Blvd. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...181-story.html Quote:
The club name was suggested by Nahin, Banerjee's partner, as the Club had Chippendale style furniture. In 2016, an Indian producer, Salman Khan, was announced to produce a biopic on Somen Banerjee, and the male striptease club Chippendales. Except for the CHiP's episode, it's interesting there seem to be no photos taken of this club on Overland Avenue. |
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We've seen this gif before but its always good to see it again.
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Here are a couple mystery locations from the UMC Digital Archive. (found while researching the EPWORTH LEAGUE)
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Or maybe? :shrug: "The Western Norwegian Danish Conference was founded in 1888 when many Scandinavians migrated to the United States and settled on the Pacific Coast. There were nine churches from San Pedro in the south to Bellingham, Washington in the north. The Annual Conference met in different location each year. Members of the host congregations would provide housing and meals. The summer family camps for the California churches were held at Mt. Herman, near Santa Cruz. The Los Angeles Church was at Olympic Boulevard and Bixel Avenue and had a church building, parsonage, and a Girls Home, which provided a home away from home for the many single women who had found employment in the Los Angeles area. In 1939, the church joined the Southern California Conference and changed its name to Bethany. A decade later when there was no further need for services in the Scandinavian language, the property was sold and members joined First Church, Trinity or Wilshire." documento.mx https://i.imgur.com/E5I0Tat.jpg cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 31 December 1921 The original address at 1025 W. 10th Street changed to - https://i.imgur.com/0uZMT53.jpg rescarta.lapl.org |
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