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MichaelRyerson Sep 25, 2014 12:05 PM

Beautiful pics and especially the cars...
 
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6742436)
-west side of Vine below Hollywood Blvd.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/wFNp3N.jpgebay

Is that James Dean's silver Spider?

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No, that's a Jaguar XK120. Right neighborhood, though. Dean's car rolled out on that side of Vine but south of Sunset across from the Hollywood Ranch Market. That is not to say Jimmy didn't have a connection with the XK120...


https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2874/...de82255d_o.jpgFairmount, Dennis Stock, 1955.

James Dean with his cousin Markie. Fairmount, Indiana,1955.

Photo by Dennis Stock

My favorite picture of him.

HossC Sep 25, 2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6742558)

Hey HossC: Any chance this is the date tree? I may be on the wrong street (as usual).

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps8f0a1da5.jpg
http://ctr.trains.com/~/media/Files/...930s%20BEV.pdf

You have the right street FredH, and I also wondered about the tree you circled, but I think I'd need a better quality image to judge whether that's the same one.

I've just had a quick look through some of the early City Directories to see who loved in this area. Rosabell(e) Street was the easiest to search for (the early CDs don't include "Street" or even "St", so imagine looking for "Elizabeth" on its own!). Most of the residents around 1900 were tradesmen. Nearly every listing is for a carpenter, plumber, laborer etc., with a couple of night watchmen as well. In the 1894 CD I even found a listing for Jacob Gerkins, foreman at the Kerckhoff-Cuzner M & L Co, living at 821 Rosabell - now that was a nice, short commute :).

The September 9, 1907 edition of the Los Angeles Herald has this sad tale from the area. As noted above, Peter Marasco lived in the wrong place if he didn't like his wife talking to tradesmen.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...terMarasco.jpg
California Digital Newspaper Collection

I couldn't find Peter Marasco at Rosabelle Street in the City Directories, but I did find a laborer named Peter Marasco living at 484 15th Street in the 1915 CD.

transitfan Sep 25, 2014 3:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6742351)
:previous: Thanks HenryHuntington, very interesting details.
I'm pretty amazed that you know this. -very..very impressive.
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All the following photographs are from 1957. (no information on the locations)

I can't quite make out the cafe's name.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/V7MnFJ.jpg
El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/




Luie's Garage.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...674/lDoThp.jpg
El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/





This is interesting...taken through the 'porthole' window.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/8MRHvH.jpg
El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/

above: At first glance I thought the business at left was a car dealership.


repairs. no porthole windows on this utility car.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...909/Qcx3tH.jpg
El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/



I spy a 7Up sign and a large venue (apartment building?) at far left.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...911/fMbu3o.jpg
El Cobrador at https://www.flickr.com/




wide open spaces...looks like Oklahoma.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/Bft0ky.jpg
El Corbador at https://www.flickr.com/

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The first two appear to be on the Bellflower line, no idea as to the exact location.

No idea on the next two.

The 5th image was Amoco Tower. This is where the Santa Monica Air Line branched off from the PE 4 tracks. West of Figueroa, the Metro Expo Line uses the Air Line right-of-way.

The last picture is Dominguez Junction. This is where the PE line to Long Beach crossed the Southern Pacific line to the harbor (the line than ran along Alameda St for much of its length). Nowadays, the Metro Blue Line crosses this point on an aerial structure, and the former SP (now Union Pacific) tracks are now in a trench (Alameda Corridor) below the surface.

HossC Sep 25, 2014 4:29 PM

:previous:

The streetcar pictures on Flickr come with these rough locations:

#1 "Pacific Electric Car 306 southbound at Compton Station 5-3-57 - Fred Fillers"

#2 "Pacific Electric Car 431 southbound south of Watts 6-28-57 - Fred Fillers"

#3 "Pacific Electric Car 413 coming into San Pedro 7-13-57 - Fred Fillers"

#4 "On August 1, 1956, line car #00157 is at San Pedro, California. Photo by Fred Fillers."

#5 "Pacific Electric car 311 southbound at Amoco Tower, Los Angeles - 1957 Fred Fillers"

#6 "PE Car Northbound at Dominguez Jct 1-27-56 - Fred Fillers"

There's a load more pictures and information in an article called Pacific Electric's Watts Local Line and Los Angeles to San Pedro via Dominguez Line on uncanny.net, including a couple of pictures of the Amoco Tower.

ethereal_reality Sep 25, 2014 5:01 PM

:previous: There were no descriptions with them when I found them on flickriver via El Cobrador. -otherwise I would have included the details.
Thanks for working on the locations transitfan.
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HossC Sep 25, 2014 5:38 PM

:previous:

I wondered why you hadn't included links to the images, e_r - that explains it. You can find El Cobrador's photostream here. I just searched it using the keyword "pacific".

Here's an earlier incarnation of the Amoco Tower, seen here in 1904. It's named after the American Olive Company, which can be seen in the background.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

The Baist map below shows the American Olive Company in 1921.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
www.historicmapworks.com

ethereal_reality Sep 25, 2014 7:03 PM

"1812 at Amoco Tower"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...631/3QUuRW.jpg
http://www.pacificelectric.org/pacif...t-amoco-tower/

This is such a nice photograph I just had to post it. (maybe we've seen it before....

ethereal_reality Sep 25, 2014 7:18 PM

"Railroading had to have dull moments"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/XzrtjJ.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/disney...2/in/pool-perr

-from Pacific Electric display, Travel Town, Griffith Park.

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Martin Pal Sep 25, 2014 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6742436)
-looking east on Sunset from near Vine.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...909/wlx9U9.jpgebay
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Just in case anyone uses the search function for any of these I want to point out that on the left side is part of NBC Radio City's building entrance. Above that on the left you can see the "C" from the CBS building and across the street is the Moulin Rouge, formerly the Earl Carroll Theater.

Can anyone make out the ABC marquee in the photo below? The only word I can decipher is "presents".

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6742436)
-west side of Vine below Hollywood Blvd.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/wFNp3N.jpgebay
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ethereal_reality Sep 25, 2014 8:15 PM

Cahuenga Blvd. and Yucca Street
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/911/3Jtoy7.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12391





Biff's 1950
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/fVJ0Yu.jpg
photograph taken by Douglas Honnold, http://wandrlust.tumblr.com/post/225...a-1950-douglas






Mercury Montclair in front of Biff's, 1955
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/NE6m4r.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/brad_s...ream/lightbox/

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Martin Pal Sep 25, 2014 8:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 6742488)
I have been experimenting with Google Maps, with mediocre results.

http://i.imgur.com/1pMSiSc.jpg

The push pins indicate out-of-bounds venues in 1945 according to the Department of the Navy. I think there may be a way to embed this map; that way when you hover over the push pin, you get the place's address.

Does the Out of Bounds map have any addresses for the ones missing an address below?

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6627192)
Other locations mentioned in the blog article:

"Some of Main St.'s establishments continued to operate as theaters like the Optic Theatre: 533 S. Main

Main St. and the surrounding area was also home to several clubs and bars popular with gays like the:

Biltmore:
Brass Rail:
Cellar: 521 S. Main
Crown Jewel: 754 S. Olive
Harold's 555 Club: 555 S. Main
Jolie's:
Maxwell's: 214 W 3rd Street (from HossC's post)
Numbers:
326: 326 S. Spring
Waldorf:
Burbank: 548 S. Main


HossC Sep 25, 2014 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6743366)

"1812 at Amoco Tower"

This is such a nice photograph I just had to post it.

I agree, it's a great photograph. My favorite is this one, titled "309 under Amoco Tower". As the captions points out, "This would be the view that the tower operator saw everyday while at work."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...mocoTower3.jpg
www.pacificelectric.org

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Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 6742488)

Re: the series of Red Car photos e_r posted rang a bell. Didn't the thread have a video of the Red Car's last run through Watts to Long Beach? I remember the oversaturated reds and blues were similar to the photos.

The video link was posted by alanlutz in post #14425. The Amoco Tower appears at just over four minutes in, and Dominguez Junction can be seen at around 9:15. You can find the video here:

Ride The Last Red Car Los Angeles April 1961

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LastRedCar.jpg
YouTube

ethereal_reality Sep 25, 2014 9:20 PM

:previous: I didn't see that "309 under Amoco Tower" photograph. It's really fantastic...especially with City Hall at the RR track's vanishing point.
(and i spy the 7up sign again :))
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Moreland Motor Truck Co. Los Angeles

1915
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/R2tmxi.jpg
ebay



reverse
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/GGnBH5.jpg

-so a distillate truck doesn't run on gasoline?

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ethereal_reality Sep 25, 2014 9:38 PM

from ebay (I'll post it large so you can catch all the details)

Looking north on Spring from First, 1888
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/742/TxsKF0.jpg

Along the left edge, above a marquee, there appears to be an angel, or at least a cut-out of a woman with large white wings.
..there's a diagonal board holding her up.
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Retired_in_Texas Sep 25, 2014 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6743657)
:previous: I didn't see that "309 under Amoco Tower" photograph. It's really fantastic...especially with City Hall at the RR track's vanishing point.
(and i spy the 7up sign again :))
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Moreland Motor Truck Co. Los Angeles

1915
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/R2tmxi.jpg
ebay



reverse
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/GGnBH5.jpg

-so a distillate truck doesn't run on gasoline?

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The distillate referred to was unique to California and was called California #1 Distillate and was created from basically natural asphalt similar in nature to the La Brea Tar pits. The Distillation method created a fuel that is a bit lighter than Diesel fuel and heavier than Kerosene. The Moreland Truck Company of Perris, California (Riverside) developed a carburetor like device that could aspirate this fuel into an extremely volatile mixture in the combustion chamber, thus creating a very powerful fuel/engine combination that required 50% less fuel to operate than a gasoline powered truck having the same load rating.

HossC Sep 26, 2014 12:25 AM

:previous:

The same postcard appears in a 2009 LA Times article titled A thorny history with the cactus. It contains this explanation of Watt Moreland's Gasifier engines:

"Nominated by his peers as Mr. Truck of California, Watt Moreland was an early Los Angeles inventor. In 1909, at an auto show held in Hamburger's department store in downtown L.A., he introduced a long-range motor. The following year Moreland opened the Moreland Motor Truck Co. He manufactured six models with a Gasifier engine fueled by distillate, a form of diesel. Distillate got 60 miles to a gallon and was cheaper than oats for a horse."

The National Library of New Zealand has a copy of the North Otago Times from August 21, 1913 which includes an article headlined 'Distillate - A New Fuel'. It details a 1,052 mile round trip to San Francisco in a Moreland truck.

Why aren't the trucks of today using these fuel-efficient Gasifier engines?

Here's an advert from the June 1915 edition of 'The Rotarian'.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...landAdvert.jpg
books.google.com

The Moreland Motor Truck Company factory at 1710-1751 North Main appears on the 1914 Baist map.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...elandNMain.jpg
www.historicmapworks.com

In 1920, Watt Moreland opened a new factory in Burbank - we covered that in post #19886 and post #19890.

rick m Sep 26, 2014 2:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6743565)
Does the Out of Bounds map have any addresses for the ones missing an address below?

Gee-- Jolies was popular with the older set-most of the late 50s to early 70s it sited on s/w corner of Vermont 2 doors down from Beverly Blvd.. The Waldorf was at 527 S. Main- pix in early Life magazine expose of urban homo scene--Brass Rail was at 334 S.Hill near Angels Flight- mjr teen dance floor scene in early 60s according to a fan who bussed there fresh off the plane from Romania - now its La Cita... At least a dozen others rose and fell pre-Stonewall here..

HossC Sep 26, 2014 3:00 AM

:previous:

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Originally Posted by rick m (Post 6744057)

Brass Rail was at 334 S.Hill near Angels Flight ...

Long before Brass Rail, 334 South Hill was the Oregon Rooming House. This report from the December 6, 1909 edition of the Los Angeles Herald tells the story of the demise of its proprietor, Mrs Alice Corr. I've never heard of an "alcoholic heart" before.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...hiskyDeath.jpg
California Digital Newspaper Collection

FredH Sep 26, 2014 3:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6743657)
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Moreland Motor Truck Co. Los Angeles

1915
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/910/R2tmxi.jpg
ebay



reverse
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/GGnBH5.jpg

-so a distillate truck doesn't run on gasoline?

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The two guys up in the Joshua Tree are nuts! I don't know what kind of protective clothing those guys were
wearing, but these trees are deadly.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps6209e5d1.jpg
http://www.rei.com/adventures/trips/weekend/jtc.html

HossC Sep 26, 2014 3:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6740721)

streetcar #3004, 1958

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/VnqWnb.jpg
ebay

So is that Whittier Blvd. behind the streetcar? The little trolley-stop looks interesting..mostly open-air.

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Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 6742314)

Actually, we're looking north at W. 3rd St. LATL 3004 is on private right-of-way that once ran to 6th St. between Gramercy Pl. and Wilton Pl. After the passenger boards, the car will be backed out onto 3rd St. to begin its journey through Downtown to New Calvary Cemetery.

After seeing HenryHuntington's impressive identification of this location, I had a look at Historic Aerials. The 1948 image (below) appears to show a streetcar on the right side of the northern end of the right-of-way at W 3rd Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ightOfWay3.jpg
Historic Aerials

I then took the Googlemobile there to see if anything remained. Looking south from W 3rd Street there's no longer any trace of the right-of-way (NB. I went back to a 2011 Streetview image to get a wider view, but it looks the same today).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ightOfWay1.jpg
GSV

Spin the camera around by 180 degrees and it's a different story. The little garage from the original picture is still there. I think the house on the left is also the one from the original picture, but it's now hidden by bushes.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ightOfWay2.jpg
GSV


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