:previous:
*chuckle* I swear, last time I googled 'don carlos apartments hollywood', that link wasn't there! Guess I should have tried again before I asked here. I'm really surprised to learn it was/is on Hollywood Blvd. Reason being, Mom and I must've driven down Hollywood Blvd. hundreds of times, and she never said anything like, "I used to live in that building." She was always tight-lipped about the past, though. Dad was the same way. Unless I would ask a specific question, they almost never talked about their lives before they were married. Wherever my interest in history came from, it sure didn't come from either of them...

Thanks for the info, though! That neighborhood has definitely changed beyond all recognition.

-Scott

In May of last year, I walked around MacArthur Park and took some photos. On the north side of the park is the Ansonia Apartments.
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/2...sonia51810.jpg
Photo by me

I remember wondering how old the building is (I learned later that it dates from 1915 and was designed by John Parkinson, who did numerous other Los Angeles buildings). But I also wondered if anything of note or tragic happened there, being that they're apartments and the building is old.

Sure enough, on the USC Archive, I found these photos. Apparently in 1952, a mother committed suicide and killed her 6 year-old son by jumping out of a window.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7779/ansonia1952b.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/5...sonia1952a.jpg

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4...sonia1952c.jpg

Had I known about these photos then, I'd have done then and nows of the entryway. Maybe I'll do that later, if I feel like it. ;)

Very interesting sopas_ej.
A before/after of the courtyard and the entryway would be very cool.
By looking at your photo it looks like the Ansonia has been well taken care of.

That said, I feel extremely sad for that mother and child. :( :(

Thanks gsjansen for the additional photo of the Paris Inn. Even better!

I was at my parents this weekend and found this photo of City Hall. No idea the date or where it's taken from but you can see a sign that says "Kiora Apt." in the middle of the frame. I still don't have the photo album I want to get my hands on but thought this was interesting.

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...7/cityhall.jpg

well here's something you don't see everyday.......(well at least i certainly dont),

color photographs of the lugo house just prioir to demolition in 1951

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/...c8c3a521_b.jpg
Source: LAPL database El Pueblo de Los Angeles Historical Monument collection http://dbase1.lapl.org/images/el_pue...112-L-0015.jpg

looking east on los angeles street towards marchessault street just prior to the demolition of the lugo house 1951

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4137/...f967649b_b.jpg
Source: LAPL database El Pueblo de Los Angeles Historical Monument collection http://dbase1.lapl.org/images/el_pue...112-L-0016.jpg

That's a great snapshot Andrea!
I bet someone on this thread can pinpoint the exact location.

I can't wait until you get your hands on that other album. :)

_____

Do my eyes deceive me? A color photograph of the Lugo House....Wow!!
Fantastic find gsjansen.

Just a quick 'shop of that last pic to douse that red and bring out some of the obscured details...

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...649b_b_mod.jpg

re: The area replaced by the Harbor Freeway. I believe these are new to the thread.



below: Notice the Rex Arms lower left hand side. You can see Bullocks Wilshire's tower way in the distance.

http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/4...adestroyed.jpg
usc digital archive




below: The Rex Arms can still be seen...extreme lower left.

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/9...westalong6.jpg
usc digital archive





below: Looking west on Wilshire from Figueroa in 1934.

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/2...gwestonwil.jpg
usc digital archive

The Rex Arms in this photo differs from the previous two photographs. Was there a serious addition/subtraction...or have I screwed something up?

The Rex Arms being suffocated by Harbor Freeway.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6...ithfreeway.jpg
usc digital archive

The beloved Richfield Building with it's 130 foot tower is directly above the Rex Arms.
The Statler Hotel is just to the right (across Wilshire) from the Rex Arms.

Spectacular new aerials, Ethereal.

revisiting the stuart k. oliver house

this photograph, taken in January of 1969 from a roof top above beaudry shows the stuart k. oliver house standing solitary on it's hilltop perch. notice the winding road that leads up the hill to give access to the house from the south. this is required, as hope street at this point in time, really doesn't exist. there is certainly no access to 4th street.

if you look just to the right of center, you can see the castle and saltbox packed up, and ready to be transported to heritage square to meet their final fate.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/...f4553679_o.jpg
Source: LAPL database El Pueblo de Los Angeles Historical Monument collection

Here is a close up of the intersection of 4th & Beaudry visible in the previous picture.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5082/...a211fc5158.jpg
Source: USC Digital Archives http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets.../AAA-EN-134-10

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071904.jpgLAPL http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071904.jpg

e_r: Comparing your first shot and your third, and the one I include here, it's apparent that the Wilshire facade of the Rex was truncated for boulevard's widening. I think there are b&a pics of Wilshire's widening here on the thread somewhere--maybe they will reveal more about this. Edit: see the pic in Beaudry's post of Dec 22:

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8...reeway1952.jpg

rex arms mystery solv-ed, (thanx to GW's heads up on the widening of wilshire)

i know this image has been posted here previously, (but alas to lazy to look), however, since we have a reason to post it again, i present you a wounded south wing of the rex, otherwise known as, taking one for the team......

widening of wilshire looking east from kip street 1934, (i sure hope they remembered not to rent out those south wing rooms that week)

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-31229?v=hr
Source: USC Digital Archive

rex arms bulked up and fat 1931

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-42206?v=hr
Source: USC Digital Archive

Rex Arms slimmed down and svelte 1934

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-42207?v=hr
Source: USC Digital Archive

it's the wilshire diet!

Did the original Angel's Flight rails
 

cross Clay Street at grade? It appears in your first picture and other photgraphs I've seen that the original rail-set run up to Clay and then rise up at a greater angle to the summit.

just a little something i found from the upcoming game L.A. Noire, I've noticed the old hall of records has had quite a bit of screen time in this thread, and i'm willing to bet there are a fair few who would love to step through it's doors, now, thanks to one of the most detailed games i've ever seen, we will get that chance

http://media.rockstargames.com/rocks...ot_207_sml.jpg

picture from Rockstar games, 2k and team bondi at www.rockstargames.com/newswire

yes, when 1st built angels flight did cross clay street at grade. in 1906, they closed the railroad for several months to rebuild the track to cross above clay street.

it was closed again in 1910 to install a larger more powerful motor mechanism. from that point on, it didn't close until........well 1969

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00077/00077826.jpg
Source: LAPL

Thanks GJS. I probably rode Angel's Flight a couple
 

of dozen times as a young boy. It was one of our favorite things in the late '40's-early '50's.

Before South Park,
 

there was the South Park from which it stole its name... forty blocks south, between 49th/51st streets and S. San Pedro St./Avalon Blvd.:


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics01/00010010.jpgLAPL http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics01/00010010.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_z...91327%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View
The quadruple rows of palms are still mostly intact.



https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...NSE/SoPark.jpg http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal6.html

Amazing!
I can't believe I never noticed that the Rex Arms' southern face was sacrificed for a wider Wilshire Blvd.

Good detective work GaylordWilshire & gsjansen. :)

I found these extraordinary negatives on ebay a couple months ago. The negatives show a celebration and parade in Los Angeles.
There were no details or dates.


http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/405...1aneg2ebay.jpg
ebay




http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/5...3paradewwi.jpg
ebay



http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6...paradeebay.jpg
ebay




below: This negative aroused my interest the most.....the building, under all that bunting, looked vaguely familiar to me.


http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9...1aneg4ebay.jpg
ebay



After going through my files I finally decided the photograph was of the Elk's Building (aka B.P.O.E.) at the summit of Angels Flight.





below: Here is the same photo that I changed to black & white just for fun.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7...neg4ebaybw.jpg
ebay




below: Here is a photograph of the Elk's Building atop Angels Flight. (compare the two photos)

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/440...gatolivean.jpg
usc digital archive


For once I solved a mystery on my own. :)

That said, I wonder what the hotel is directly south of the Elk's Building (all you can see is the sign 'hotel' in the vertical photograph).

Anyone??

Originally known as the New Maryton, it was known as La Casa de Don Leon before being torn down.

the only image i can find of it for the moment is this one just prior to it's demolition in 1967. you can see a portion of the sign on the side indicating that it is la casa de don leon

http://jpg2.lapl.org/spnb2/00017571.jpg
Source: LAPL

and once again i must apologize for making everyone side scroll, but this is an interesting 1931 "Heart of Los Angeles" map that is so wonderfully detailed, that it needs to be seen in large format to truly appreciate. I only wish that it covered more ground than it does....but hey!, i always take what i can get!

(warning, do not try viewong this with a smart phone)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5260/...31dc998f_o.jpg
Source: LAPL Map Collections

interesting that bunker hill avenue is called cinnabar and cinnabar is called................errrrrr....nothing, (as is sack alley, but hey, at least sack alley is graphically shown which usually it's not)

What a stunning map!!

gs-- Amazing detail. That's the best map I know of for locating businesses in that period. It's interesting that today residential development is reasserting itself downtown--the history of the area in the first couple of decades of the 20th century involved commercial development overtaking residential at an incredible clip. One day there's a block of not-so-old Victorian houses, the next a skyscraper (i.e., the Pacific Electric Building at Main & 6th). Some residential buildings hung on to the '30s--apartment buildings if not detached houses. The Percival, 835 S. Hill:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_z...Q/Percival.jpg http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal8a.html

what great map. shows many of the busineses of 1931.i am doing research (images) on a certian area which was know as "car row" or "car dealer row" in perticular Felix Chevrolet when they were at 1201 s. grand starting in 1931.I have a great dealer show room picture that will post when i learn how do that. not to computer savy. THANK YOU IN ADVANCE for any help on this subject.QUOTE=gsjansen;5165793]and once again i must apologize for making everyone side scroll, but this is an interesting 1931 "Heart of Los Angeles" map that is so wonderfully detailed, that it needs to be seen in large format to truly appreciate. I only wish that it covered more ground than it does....but hey!, i always take what i can get!

(warning, do not try viewong this with a smart phone)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5260/...31dc998f_o.jpg
Source: LAPL Map Collections

interesting that bunker hill avenue is called cinnabar and cinnabar is called................errrrrr....nothing, (as is sack alley, but hey, at least sack alley is graphically shown which usually it's not)[/QUOTE]

gsj is right-on (as always) about the New Maryton. Here's my wild supposition as to What's Going On: it's early September, 1908, and the Elks are parading to commemorate their new digs up on Bunker Hill! http://www.onbunkerhill.org/elksannex Ok, I like to think that. But truth is, I'm 99% certain this is the famous Elks cavalcade of July 1909 as well documented in the Times and Elks lore and much Elky 1909 goodness routinely findable on eBay.

That first image, we're looking from mid 500s, down B'way, that's the 1906-7 H. Jevne Co Bldg (groceries and sundries) across 6th at left (got a major makeover by Parkinson, 1918). Then some low buildings where the Swelldom will go, and the Metropolitan annex, in the early 20s. The building with the arches, 549-543, is still with us, sort of: http://www.you-are-here.com/broadway/hartfields.html ...The low white four-window Milton Hotel, 541-537, is lost to http://www.you-are-here.com/broadway/richman.html... The one that says "formerly owner of stores" 535 S Bway is known as the Emporium, was built in 1903, and...well, Google streetmap it. Shudder. 537 up from it is replaced in 1930, the building looks like crap now, but has amazing deco sidewalk terrazzo.

Second image, the corner of 525 (1893, still there, looks like hell). Fitzgerald Music at 523 (the Meyer Bldg, 1903, also still with us, also looks like hell), Swelldom (before they moved down to the corner) at 521 -- they share the Remick Bldg with Mammoth Shoes at 519.

Note the BPOE banner -- tips us off to the Elks parade.
Also and interesting shot in that they were shooting it (if my 1909 theory is correct) given the vantage point on a building with borrowed time -- Clune's Broadway (now the Cameo Theater) would be built on that spot and open in October 1910.

Third shot, all of these buildings are still here -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013811.jpg -- looking up Bway from 4th. But you wouldn't know it, really, as most have been cut down so much. Parkinson's 1896 Homer Laughlin (tallest one in distance) maintains its integrity to this day, at least. (And that's definitely an Elks symbol hanging from the wires above!)

[/QUOTE]

This map is genius! Can't stop staring at it. And it never really occurred to me that the subway might rattle people in the Fremont or Granada...every time I look at it I find something new, and, more importantly, something unique to 1931, which was a fascinating time specifically...

1939er (1939, also a great year!) welcome to the fold, brother! I too have always had a fascination with the old auto zone. I wrote a bit about it here http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=14656 ...go down to 1919 in this http://onbunkerhill.org/ArchitectsBuilding#comment-110 and there's a bit about the REO showroom at 12th & Hope... but it's more than just auto row, downtown was thick with dealerships, gas and service stations, equipment shops, paint, parts, body shops, ad automobilium. I know I have some images of a couple of the fixit stations that were around 12th & Grand. Have to dig those out. I suppose you have the postcard of Kelley Kar at 12th & Fig? It's pretty common. (But if ya don't, say the word.)

Again, good times!

After having gotten all worked up about parades along Broadway, I couldn't help but pull some RPPC out of the vaster pile of...vasterness. Another parade image, including some camel and an elephant, roughly contemporary to the last one I wrote 'bout.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/...a5243258_o.jpg

Another parade, down a few blocks shot from the other side of the street. How do we know this? Obviously by way of Tallys.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5133/...0200a318_o.jpg

The Tallys at 833 South Broadway:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5140/...5c340ab0_o.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5099/...00ce3d82_o.jpg

Electrified ad astra at some point later:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5213/...4e182d2e_o.jpg


She may be best remembered here -- don't get me wrong, with good reason, to the legion who discover her through Lloyd's work. Note how the building to her north in the original image is replaced by a kind of pitch-roofed Norman deal not too long after.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5056/...7dc35b39_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5175/...124c26c5_o.jpg

(Now, let's be quite effing clear right off the bat, lads. We're not speaking of Tally's New Broadway. She of 544. No.)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/...63ed79ce_o.jpg
That's a whole 'nother discussion into which we'll get into soon I'm certain, or at least I hope...

photo credits http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015469.jpg http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015464.jpg http://jpg2.lapl.org/theater2/00015466.jpg http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Ll...Last%29_01.jpg http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/...and=calisphere

Somehow I doubt that the title The Dumb Girl of Portici would go over so well for a film made today.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_z...va-800x583.jpgMarc Wanamaker/Bison Archives/www.answers.com

Caption per answers.com: "[Ballerina] Anna Pavlova’s undistinguished foray into Hollywood in
1915 to star in The Dumb Girl of Portici at Universal Pictures under female director Lois Weber.
That’s Pavlova getting manhandled on the left. At the far right stands Weber, megaphone in
her hand."



https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_z...eY/karloff.jpgfilmreference.com

Per answers.com: "Dumb Girl of Portici is famous today as the film in which Boris Karloff made his movie debut. This 'fact' is open to debate: Karloff himself had no memories of the film's star, flamboyant dancing diva Anna Pavlova, and [a] bow-legged extra in the crowd scenes, photographed from behind, may or may not be 'our Boris.'... [T]he film's storyline is based upon Daniel Francois Esprit's opera Masaniello. Anna Pavlova plays Fenella, the surprisingly non-dancing heroine, in this epic romantic tragedy."



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_z.../s512/lois.jpgNoir and Chick Flicks/dawnschickflicks.blogspot.com
In the cast of The Dumb Girl of Portici was also Lois Wilson
(right), who performed in 150 movies, including the role of
Daisy in the first film version of The Great Gatsby (1926).
She acted with such leading male stars as Rudolph Valentino
and John Gilbert, and even in talkies with our 40th President
(The Girl From Jones Beach, 1949). I really only include
this picture because of the classic bungalow background.

Rex's Missing Arm.
 

Agreed, E.R........

Phenomenal detective work.......And of course answered a nagging question I had when looking at various iterations of the Rex......Not that I lost much sleep over it, but I recall first seeing a color view of the Rex (w/ giant tire billboard on its roof), across from the completed Statler, then I would try to rectify that with earlier images.....which all led to a general "WTF....I'm confused!"

But that brings me to a bigger point.....How do you folks index/catalog/file your images? Any hints?

I've been following this topic for quite some time and I've got to say it's fantastic. I haven't spent much time in Los Angeles but I've always liked it since I visited when I was 7 or 8 in the late 40s. It's all changed too much since then, but a lot of these pictures really take me back so thank you to everyone who has posted.

Is it OK if I ask a question? I've found a picture on the internet of a church in Los Angeles that I kind of remember but I can't place. It's a computer image not a photo so I don't know if it's accurate at all but it does looks familiar.

I wonder if anybody here can identify it.


http://i.imgur.com/RLcOn.jpg


Thank you,

Vincent.

Hello Vincent--welcome to the thread.


That is the Third Church of Christ, Scientist, at 734 S. Hope Street.

It was constructed in the late 1880s as the Simpson Methodist Episcopal Church:

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics51/00075494.jpgLAPL http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics51/00075494.jpg


A later remodeling added an auditorium:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075526.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075526.jpg



http://i.imgur.com/RLcOn.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/RLcOn.jpg

It became the Third Church of Christ, Scientist, around 1911. Further remodeling stripped some of the details of the tower in particular, as can be seen in your picture. It was demolished after severe damage as a result of the '71 Sylmar quake. But...there is a remnant. The north wing (at left in your pic, just above) is still a Christian Science Reading Room at 730 S. Hope:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_z...20701%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View


P.S. The ABSOLUTELY FIREPROOF building in your pic and in the current Google Street View, at 746 S. Hope, opened in September 1925 as the Auto Center Garage. It is considered by some as the oldest parking garage downtown.

GW, i found a great 1906 map of los angeles and it's suburbs, (los angeles has suburbs?)..

anyway, i've zoomed into berkeley square, and there it is!

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5211/...6fc1368d_o.jpg

the full map may be viewed at the online archive of california's web site

Thank you, GaylordWilshire, what a wealth of information! I remember my uncle worked at a hotel downtown, the Stillwell perhaps. I must have seen the church when going there.

I've been told that the picture I found is from a video game called 'L.A. Noire', which I have seen mentioned a few times here. It looks quite interesting, an interactive Los Angeles circa 1947 with a noir detective storyline so my grandson tells me. I'm sure it's made with younger people in mind than a 70 year old, but it does sound good.

Thanks again,

Vincent.

Great map, gs--the first few houses in Berkeley Square would have been going up in 1906. It's interesting here that BS isn't depicted as open to Hermosa/Gramercy, and that Adams Place (now St. Andrews) seems to be depicted as an entrance to the south. Actually, though, the Berkeley name is shown here in alignment with 24th Street rather than in line with 22nd ("21st" on this map). The parts showing the outskirts of L.A. on alot of these early maps were done as sort of speculation in terms of street layout and naming--perhaps based on early info from the developer, or just guesswork.

Now that you mention the derivation of your picture, Vincent, I realize that the stripped nature of the church as shown in it may have something to do with a photograph or postcard having been adapted for game use. Here are a few more shots through the years:


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075522.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075522.jpg
ca. 1922


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075525.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075525.jpg
ca. 1965


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075329.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075329.jpg
Demolition, ca. 1973

And here a couple of shots of the interior:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075524.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075524.jpg

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075523.jpgLAPLhttp://jpg1.lapl.org/00075/00075523.jpg

"Rex's Missing Arm".....very clever malumot. :)

Beaudry, thanks for all the information on the Elk's Parade photos I posted earlier. You made the pics 10x more interesting.




below: originally posted by GaylordWilshire.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/789...hodistepis.jpg
lapl


http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/347...hodistlapl.jpg
lapl

I find this unusual church VERY intriguing.
I stared at it for quite some time trying to figure out the architectural style.

Is it Richardsonian with Persian touches?
Is it High Victorian with Moorish influences?
Is it Eclecticism and the architect's Attention Deficit Disorder?

It has me stumped.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_z...ybQs/vfpic.jpgLife/Getty http://www.life.com/image/85080412
This picture appears (misdated) in a March 2011 Vanity Fair article on Paradise Cove
in Malibu. (No note was made in the magazine's caption of the fire raging in the hills, or
of the great bathtub '49 or '50 Nash Ambassador parked in front of the sign....) Then,
as now, the Cove was trailer heaven:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_z...73316%20PM.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/38952296@N00/1073636880/


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics06/00022919.jpgLAPL http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics06/00022919.jpg


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics06/00022927.jpgLAPL http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics06/00022927.jpg


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics40/00054951.jpgLAPL http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics40/00054951.jpg

Thanks for the kind words! I really dig that image of the Elks Lodge. There's something I just love about...bunting. My house was built in '07 and I'm now kind of obsessing over finding lots of 45-star bunting before the next 4th.

I'm also floored by this church (I've never really sat down and looked at a gang of pictures of it before; that's one reason this thread is so valuable) and find your stupefaction over its architectonic form totally hilarious and I share it with verve. A 50's article says it was built in 88-9, though a contemporary source says Simpson Methodist Episcopal Tabernacle was dedicated in '91, I dunno, do they wait two years to dedicate a church? I'm going with the '91 date; a 1910 article puts its date at '94; and was 134 x 165, seated 2,000, and boasted "unsurpassed" acoustical qualities (regarded as one of the best audience halls in the country, it was said: Tetrazzini, Melba, Schumann-Heink performed there). Anyway, mid-90s the MEs get into financial difficulty and donate the structure to USC, becomes known as the "Simpson Auditorium". Became the Third CoC,S in 1905, as a rental from USC, and the Christian Scientists buy it outright in 1910. But nothing about its architect. More digging may be in order.

Its original incarnation reminds me of a synagogue in that temples so often use the "twin tablet" motif, and here we see it in the windows (in the earliest picture with the horse-cart). And the Scientist remodel redid all the windows (including the strange pentagram one) and added the front part. I'm guessing the tower got truncated after Long Beach, so the 1947 LA Noire depiction isn't really accurate if my supposition is correct.

One other small thing, the ca. 1922 pic (which almost looks like an infrared -- and that ivy should place this church in Middlesex) , I'm just fair to middling at dating cars, and I'd confidently place those at 1929-30. Though I welcome to be proven wrong!

Now, its style. Uh...already mentioned synagogue, and it's got minarets. The Scientists add Gothic tracery. It's Richardsonian in brick and not stone. I...give up, which is the mark of a great building!

some more berkeley square info

LAPL has a resource page which has digitized telephone and street directories for various years dating from 1909 t0 1987. it can be found here

starting in 1956, the directory listed residences by streets. below are the 1956, (on the left), and the 1960, (on the ..........well you know), residence listings for berkeley square.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5015/...e51c4d2d_o.jpg

by 1961.........berkeley square listings?.....not so much. (i was amazed to see that the developers of berkeley square, the burkes at No. 6 held on to the end)

what is really interesting, is that the early directories listed people by they're occupations and where they worked.

an example would be a search i did in the 1932 telephone directory for Brown Derby.

the 1st listing that came up was for a Hilda Black. it indicates that she worked as a waiter at the brown derby, and that she resides at 946 Irolo.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/...a04889be_o.jpg

when you think about the 1940's unsolved serial killings that involved women in the los angeles area, it's pretty easy to see how this kind of information available in the phone book could be used for not the best of purposes.

of course for urban archeologists like us, this kind of information is priceless.

go take a gander, and do some searches through the directories, it's amazing what info comes up........such as this 1923 listing for a photoplayer by the name of gloria swanson who is the home owner of 1800 wilcox avenue :cool:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5219/...4daf6028_o.jpg

This map is genius! Can't stop staring at it. And it never really occurred to me that the subway might rattle people in the Fremont or Granada...every time I look at it I find something new, and, more importantly, something unique to 1931, which was a fascinating time specifically...

1939er (1939, also a great year!) welcome to the fold, brother! I too have always had a fascination with the old auto zone. I wrote a bit about it here http://www.lottaliving.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=14656 ...go down to 1919 in this http://onbunkerhill.org/ArchitectsBuilding#comment-110 and there's a bit about the REO showroom at 12th & Hope... but it's more than just auto row, downtown was thick with dealerships, gas and service stations, equipment shops, paint, parts, body shops, ad automobilium. I know I have some images of a couple of the fixit stations that were around 12th & Grand. Have to dig those out. I suppose you have the postcard of Kelley Kar at 12th & Fig? It's pretty common. (But if ya don't, say the word.)

Again, good times![/QUOTE]

great job on the other sites a big thumbs-up i can tell you did your home work on the subject.looking for any information and or pictures of the area from 1921 to 1955 in perticular felix chevrolet. again thank you

Felix Chevrolet 12th and grand 1930

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...JPYQCKMM89.jpg
Source: California State Library

detail of lobby facade

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...HFV9RL1KYI.jpg
Source: California State Library

current view of the building

http://www.you-are-here.com/los_angeles/felix.jpg
Source: you are here

Nothing against Hilda, but.....

How ironic that the first attorney listed at Black, et. al. is Carey McWilliams - Perhaps the foremost observer of early- to mid-20th century Southern California.

His 1946 classic "Southern California: An Island on the Land" should be required reading for this thread. LOL

http://www.amazon.com/Southern-Calif.../dp/0879050071

From the Back Cover
Widely recognized as the best non-fiction book written about Southern California for the period 1920s through the 1940s.

Southern California: An Island on the Land is packed with fascinating material on the region and its galaxy of personalities--from Helen Hunt Jackson to Aimee Semple McPherson, from Huntington the financier to Hatfield the rainmaker.

Carey McWilliams provides insights into many subjects, ranging from the origins of Hollywood to the flowering of International Style architecture in Los Angeles.

This book was originally published in 1946. This reprint edition has been continuously in print from Gibbs Smith, Publisher since 1973.

i finally figured it out!, (of course i'm sure everyone else knew and i'm just either the last to know, or the 1st to state the completely obvious.............which by the way, i can and do state the obvious at will)

the grand avenue entrance, (or is it exit?) to, (or from as the case may be) the Baltimore hotel garage between 5th and 6th street

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5140/...3021a8ee_b.jpg
Googlemaps streetview

the view looking across the street at the west side of the block......the hilton checkers hotel, (very visible in the shot from the movie, obviously taken from the parking deck above the garage through a studio added picture window)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5094/...832b862d_b.jpg
Googlemaps streetview

Speakin' o' which, I couldn't resist this 1909 postcard. :D

https://otters.net/img/lanoir/elks_l..._recto_sky.jpg

-Scott

Dayum! if i don't keep going back in time on this thread and responding to posts eons later :D

aerial looking north at pickfair 1143 Summit Drive 1926 and now

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/...9f353bff_b.jpg

Fairbanks and Pickford were divorced in January 1936, and Pickford resided in the mansion with her third husband, Charles "Buddy" Rogers, until her death in 1979. A recluse in her later years, Pickford received few visitors and would only speak to them over an intercom while secluded in her bedroom. The only one who was allowed to enter her room was the butler, and that was to bring her a fresh fifth of whiskey every day!:eek:

It stood empty for several years after Pickford's death and was sold to Los Angeles Lakers owner, Dr. Jerry Buss, before being purchased by actress Pia Zadora and her husband Meshulam Riklis. They announced they were planning renovations to the famous building but revealed in 1989 that the house had in fact been demolished and a new larger mansion constructed in its place.

Faced with criticism from the public, Zadora defended her family's actions, stating that the house was in a poor state of repair, and was infested by termites.

The only remaining artifacts from the original Pickfair are the gates to the estate with their prominent P motif (visible in both photos above the main house), and the swimming pool, which as i recall reading somewhere, was the very 1st for a residence in town, so something historic does indeed remain!

some more interesting information on the location of the original plaza

Plaza, Church of Our Lady of the Angels, and Sonora Town in 1869

http://dbase1.lapl.org/images/dwp/ws///1006036.jpg
Source: Photo Collection
Los Angeles Department of Water and Power

The caption beneath the photo says;

Father Adam says, "Where Buena Vista Street is now open, north on the hill stood a chapel from 1784 to 1812; where a Franciscan friar from San Gabriel said mass every Sunday and holidays." At the extreme right of the picture is a fence about the Plaza it was built by the owners of the reservoir. Later they planted trees and otherwise improved it.

additional commentary included on the photo site:

There is no trace of the buildings erected by the original colonists or of their lot stakes, so noting remains today to show exactly were the homes stood. However, it is generally believed that one corner of the plaza was anchored across Sunset Boulevard from the Church of Our Lady of the Angeles, that is boundary continued along the east side of North Main Street to the line of Bellevue, thence across to New High, south to Sunset, and thence back to the point of anchorage. When North Main was cut through it is said to have gone directly through the old guard-house of the Pueblo site. The old and new plazas thus touch only at one point, the northwest corner of the present Plaza.

According to De Neve’s “Instruction para la Fundacion de los Angeles,” the old plaza lay square with the compass, with streets all running square with the plaza; so that “no street would be swept by the wind,” as the matter was put. House-lots faced the plaza on the north, west and south, the east side being given over to public buildings – a town hall, granary and a guard-house.

A cattle-proof adobe wall was built about the whole pueblo, and the lands outside the house-lots were cut up into planting fields. Then came pasture lands, beyond which were commons, leased lands and royal lands; revenue from the last two going into the pueblo treasury.

Hi mdiederi:Replying late to your fascinating post with photos of the beautiful, charming French Village complex in Hollywood. I never heard of it, but what a treasure. The photo of the scraggly Palm Tree and freeway presently on the site is what? sad, heartbreaking, infuriating?
Interesting is that no one has come up with info or photos of Normandie Village on Sunset. At the time I asked about about it in a post, I wrote to LA Times blogger Larry Harnisch to see if he had anything on it. All he could come up with was an LA Times article from the early 60's about a proposed Senior high-rise residence on the Sunset Strip that was to be built "on the site of the old Normandie Village Apartments." The architect's drawing of the Senior Complex showed a typically boring 60's box.
I wish I had saved the photo I came across a few years ago of the huge Normandie Village (long before I knew of this Noirish Los Angeles site)...it was taken shortly before the complex was razed. Have no idea where I saw the photo and an internet search has yielded nothing.