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tovangar2 Apr 26, 2015 9:05 PM

Victor Hugo Beverly Hills
 
Sounds très grand. Much too grand for me:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Z...15822%2BPM.jpg
pinterest (larger view at link)


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7004603)
Here is a group of slides from 1952 that resemble today's Instagrams.

Another type of mystery, 'The Mystery of Life'. (I believe this is Forest Lawn, Glendale)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/p8FX5J.jpg
eBay


A decoding of Ernesto Gazzeri's sculpture is here

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S...22018%2BPM.jpg
hollywoodland

ethereal_reality Apr 26, 2015 10:30 PM

I recently came across this impressive sepia postcard of Castle Rock.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/c9bIjv.jpg
eBay





Here's an earlier post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 6693670)

Castle Rock was down the coast a little, near Santa Monica, and survived until 1945. It was knocked down to widen the Coast Highway.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps8dd4b065.jpg
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...ks-of-pch.html

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps05c847dc.jpg
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...ks-of-pch.html

They left a tiny park/viewing area in its place. I think you can only get up there from the beach however.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps95ae8326.jpg
Google Earth

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CityBoyDoug Apr 26, 2015 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7004698)
:previous: Good eye CityBoyDoug! I think you're correct.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/911/TREmvb.jpg
http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id...anguage,E.html

I believe this postcard shows the same green awning with stripes that you can see in the 1952 slide.

And CBD's second photograph shows the oval windows (there's one visible in the 1952 slide).
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I had to smile at "Deanna Durbin hotspots".

Here's the 1940 menu for Victor Hugo's. That $1.75 Steak would be $30 in 2015 adjusted for inflation.

I know that I ate from the Children's Menu when we went there around 1955. I recall I had liver pate' instead of a salad. Probably followed by hamburger patty, mashed potato & a veg of some type.

They must have been ''child'' friendly otherwise we would never have gone there. We were 4 children, plus parents and relatives. My stepfather liked upscale restaurants that catered to children.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pslyzx4oqu.jpg
pinterest

tovangar2 Apr 26, 2015 11:53 PM

Norma Jean Dougherty at Castle Rock, July 1945:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-F...43000%2BPM.jpg
pinterest

Undated postcard (Castle Rock behind and Haystack Rock and the Family Group at right:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...43905%2BPM.jpg
smpl

There's a couple of pages of views of Castle Rock at SMPL

...and Arch Rock too.

Good KCET feature on Castle Rock and Arch Rock here (also with lots of pix)



Something's going on at the Haystack:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-D...50431%2BPM.jpg
googlemaps



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ethereal_reality Apr 27, 2015 12:38 AM

:previous: I really like that image of Marilyn at Castle Rock t2. I wonder what's happening in that Google aerial?



"Downtown Los Angeles, 1970s."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/zXVpBv.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...908/2GPq4t.jpg
eBay

Do you think that Dictaphone truck is full of secretaries with their dictaphones? ;)



As far as I can tell, the city bus was located at the intersection of Maple avenue and 6th Street. (in the red circle below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/CcLVdg.jpg
google_earth

:previous: Today, there is a two-story building around the parking lot where the Dictaphone truck was parked (northwest corner).

...but this two-story building looks fairly old to me (yet it's missing in the 1970s slide).

Do I have the correct corner?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...901/7xD2tV.jpg
gsv
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Just for fun, here's how much the B.Black & Sons signs has faded since the 1970s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/g58ieB.jpg
gsv

then.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/Y65547.jpg
detail
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Interesting V. Hugo menu CBD. So you liked eating liver pate' as a kid.
Once in Chicago, I saw a little kid each a whole plate of tofu. I was pretty impressed.

ethereal_reality Apr 27, 2015 1:21 AM

Noir and the Dictaphone.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/7XPccM.jpg
http://filmcityla.blogspot.com/2014/...nity-1944.html

"A car races through the dark, hazy streets of Los Angeles. It stops in front of an office building on Olive Street, a man gets out,
staggers into the lobby, gets into an elevator, gets out, enters an office, sits down at a
dictaphone, and begins to record
a sordid story about lust, adultery, greed, and murder---as blood slowly seeps through his shirt
."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/7xEbI7.jpg
http://www.glamamor.com/2012/01/cine...-stanwyck.html



1940 Dictaphone Ad.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/jhBxyT.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1940-Ad-Dict...-/331167776501

unihikid Apr 27, 2015 1:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7004639)
:previous:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...00204%2BAM.jpg
inherentstyle

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-f...01127%2BAM.jpg
ebay (detail)


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Congratulations e_r on 1400 noirish thread pages.

That must mean it's time to check in again with noir beauty queen/murderess/madam/etc Hazel Glab
here on June 26, 1928:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i...93911%2BAM.jpg
lapl

To be honest i think thats the building that was along fairfax....it housed "Antique Alley" which i went to every weekend when i was in my early teens,it was a long building that went along Fairfax,and it veered east towards the Gilmore Adobe...think of it as a mini mall...halfway to the Adobe was a clock tower that they moved when they built the grove...A friend from my Boy Scout Troop use to work at the toy store adjacent to the Antique alley.

CityBoyDoug Apr 27, 2015 3:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7004998)
:previous: I really like that image of Marilyn at Castle Rock t2. I wonder what's happening in that Google aerial?


Interesting V. Hugo menu CBD. So you liked eating liver pate' as a kid.
Once in Chicago, I saw a little kid each a whole plate of tofu. I was pretty impressed.

LOL, I guess its all my mother's fault, ER. She taught me to eat all kinds of different food.

She grew up in the Depression and she taught us eat what we were given with no complaints. When she came to LA to get a divorce, she worked as a waitress at the Hollywood Athletic Club and downtown LA.

When we finally had a new ''father'' and a home, her favorite comment was, "You eat what you're given, this isn't a short-order house."

Those Who Squirm! Apr 27, 2015 3:46 AM

nm

tovangar2 Apr 27, 2015 7:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7004998)
I really like that image of Marilyn at Castle Rock t2. I wonder what's happening in that Google aerial?

I think they're just shoring up PCH. It's forever falling into the ocean. They're way too close to the Haystack to suit me though.

And yes, Marilyn took a nice picture, the beach ones maybe nicest of all:

1949, Andre de Dienes
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-s...24419%2BAM.jpg
christies

HossC Apr 27, 2015 8:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7004998)

As far as I can tell, the city bus was located at the intersection of Maple avenue and 6th Street. (in the red circle below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/CcLVdg.jpg
google_earth

:previous: Today, there is a two-story building around the parking lot where the Dictaphone truck was parked (northwest corner).

...but this two-story building looks fairly old to me (yet it's missing in the 1970s slide).

Do I have the correct corner?

The 1964 aerial shows buildings covering most of the block, but it was a parking lot by 1972. As far as I can see, the current building appeared between 1994 and 2003. The view below is fron 1980.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...hMaple1980.jpg
Historic Aerials

While I was on Historic Aerials, I took a look at Macy Street. Here's the Cudahy Packing plant in 1948. I've arrowed what I think is the "little formal garden" pointed out by e_r.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...acking1948.jpg
Historic Aerials

MichaelRyerson Apr 27, 2015 1:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7005042)
Noir and the Dictaphone.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/7XPccM.jpg
http://filmcityla.blogspot.com/2014/...nity-1944.html

"A car races through the dark, hazy streets of Los Angeles. It stops in front of an office building on Olive Street, a man gets out,
staggers into the lobby, gets into an elevator, gets out, enters an office, sits down at a
dictaphone, and begins to record
a sordid story about lust, adultery, greed, and murder---as blood slowly seeps through his shirt
."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/7xEbI7.jpg
http://www.glamamor.com/2012/01/cine...-stanwyck.html



1940 Dictaphone Ad.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...673/jhBxyT.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1940-Ad-Dict...-/331167776501


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7557/...085d7f9f_o.jpgLooking west on 5th Street at Pershing Square, Double Indemnity, 1944

Opening credits to Double Indemnity, Walter Neff at speed east bound on 5th
closes on a Los Angeles Railway Corp Maintenance crew. Hard to believe these
little smudge pots were all we had for caution lights back in the day. These
guys are making a welding repair to a rail across from the Philharmonic
Auditorium (out-of-frame on the right) and Pershing Square (out-of-frame on
the left) with the Hotel San Carlos over there on the right, with the Coca Cola
sign, and just the corner of the Biltmore over here on the left. In the distance
we can make out the sign atop the Monarch Hotel on the NW corner of 5th and
Figueroa and the taller, anonymous, Architects Building, the dark sentinel on
the left side of 5th behind the Biltmore.

Paramount Pictures, Billy Wilder, 1944


https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7686/...537d47a4_o.pngWalter Neff near miss at Olive and 6th, 1944

Walter Neff, wounded and bleeding, skids his Plymouth coupe through the
intersection of 6th Street (runs right to left) and Olive, with the re-designed
Philharmonic in the background north of Pershing Square on 5th Street, barely
missing a Los Angeles Times distribution truck.

Double Indemnity, Billy Wilder, Paramount Pictures (1944)

GaylordWilshire Apr 27, 2015 2:20 PM

:previous:


The Double Indemnity script--link from prior post 13236


http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Double-Indemnity.html


To split hairs...according to the script, Walter is driving his 1938 Dodge coupe erratically on a downtown street at 2 a.m...although it's hard to tell what make was used in the film in the opening shots. In the script, it's the Dietrichsons who have a Plymouth, and a LaSalle...

ethereal_reality Apr 27, 2015 6:18 PM

:previous: It sure was fun browsing through the 'Double Indemnity' script. Thanks for posting the link again GW.


I'm looking for some help in identifying this apartment building and the name of this movie.
I took the following screen-grabs over four years ago. I've never posted them because of the lack of information.

The biggest clue I have, is the actor Harvey Keitel. I read through his list of movies on IMDB hoping that a title might jog my memory.
I had no idea the number of films Mr. Keitel was in in the 1970s and 80s. (from the look of my screen-grabs I'd say the movie was from the late 1980s)


Here's the apartment building in question. The modern building in the background makes me think it might be somewhere near downtown
Los Angeles, or perhaps Century City.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/ajJa2q.jpg
ethereal_reality


What's really cool is that they actually filmed inside the building as well.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...633/Iix6uz.png


Interesting wrought iron lighting fixture and unique moldings over the doorways.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/uucMUj.jpg



The same arched windows we saw in the exterior view.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...537/FXlkwj.jpg



I was quite surprised to see this impressive skylight!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...537/az3Q87.jpg


A closer look at that arched window and half of Harvey's face. ;)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/pF0N2r.jpg
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Later, there's a scene at a rather noirish looking motel. If I remember correctly, we have seen this motel several times on NLA.*

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...907/T5JvGt.jpg



*I found the earlier post. Here's the Paradise Motel in a photograph taken my David 390dxer.
The address is 1116 Sunset Boulevard near Beaudry.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...537/UteuV3.jpg
David / 390dxer at http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23735




Later there is a scene at a motor court that is reminiscent of the one used in L.A. Confidential.


this sign looks fake to me.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/GqFq2q.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...537/3u0S8c.jpg

That's it. Get working you sleuths! :)

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tovangar2 Apr 27, 2015 6:28 PM

MR, Which building is that at upper right?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8...11558%2BAM.jpg
Double Indemnity, Billy Wilder, Paramount Pictures (1944)

Martin Pal Apr 27, 2015 6:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7005042)

I love these opening scenes of Double Indeminity!

HossC Apr 27, 2015 6:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7005780)

Later there is a scene at a motor court that is reminiscent of the one used in L.A. Confidential.

this sign looks fake to me.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/GqFq2q.jpg

That's it. Get working you sleuths! :)

I think the sign's real. I found a short video called A classic car drives away from the "Lazy Acres Motel" which finishes with this shot.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LazyAcres1.jpg
www.t3licensing.com

Then I found an entry on getmyhotel.com that lists the Lazy Acres Motel in Sylmar at 12215 San Fernando Road. The number "2215" on e_r's screengrab must be missing the first "1". Here's how the site looks today.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LazyAcres2.jpg
Google Maps

I can't see any trace of Lazy Acres - the sign by the gate just says "Now Renting". The next door Sylmar Motel on the corner of Bleeker Street looks like it's still in business.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LazyAcres3.jpg
GSV

ethereal_reality Apr 27, 2015 6:59 PM

:previous: Wow, I'm completely surprised Hoss. I just took it for granted 'Lazy Acres' was a made-up name.

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MichaelRyerson Apr 27, 2015 7:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7005796)
MR, Which building is that at upper right?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8...11558%2BAM.jpg
Double Indemnity, Billy Wilder, Paramount Pictures (1944)

That's this building...


https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5593/...ec36ab53_o.jpgThe Title Guarantee Building, 5th Street and S. Hill

NW corner 5th and Hill Streets.

UCLA digital archive

tovangar2 Apr 27, 2015 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7005780)
Here's the apartment building in question. The modern building in the background makes me think it might be somewhere near downtown
Los Angeles, or perhaps Century City.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/ajJa2q.jpg
ethereal_reality
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I haven't found the apartment yet, but the building in the background looks like the notorious Equitable, which ate the Chapman Park Hotel after they promised they wouldn't.

Thx MR. Got it, Milliron's

GaylordWilshire Apr 27, 2015 7:42 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X...2520PM.bmp.jpg


620 S Ardmore, between Wilshire and 6th.... Built in 1924 according to the assessor.

The movie... Welcome to LA? (1976)


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7005780)
I'm looking for some help in identifying this apartment building and the name of this movie.
I took the following screen-grabs over four years ago. I've never posted them because of the lack of information.

The biggest clue I have, is the actor Harvey Keitel.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/ajJa2q.jpg
ethereal_reality


PS--Can I tell you how much I hate the new Google Maps? The option to use the "Classic" version now seems to be gone.

ethereal_reality Apr 27, 2015 7:56 PM

:previous: That's the apartment building all right GW! I was afraid it had been torn down.
I don't think the film was 'Welcome To L.A.' Alan Rudolph films are languid and slow, this Keitel film didn't feel that way at all.

I had the soundtrack to 'Welcome To L.A.' when I was in college.....I played that sucker over and over again.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...912/ldPua2.jpg
http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/t...Welcome+To+L.A.

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ethereal_reality Apr 27, 2015 8:15 PM

I couldn't resist. I had to go and check out the skylight.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/1rWYlm.jpg
google_earth

:previous: I'm surprised that one side of the apartment has a peaked roof. It isn't noticeable from the street or in my screengrab.


Here's the skylight again.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...537/az3Q87.jpg
mystery Harvey Keitel movie

It's the same dimensions alright, but I didn't realize there would be peaked glass above the leaded glass squares.

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I was also surprised by how beautiful the front entrance is. In the movie, the place was a bit run down.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/s507nz.jpg
gsv / detail

GaylordWilshire Apr 27, 2015 8:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7005951)
I don't think the film was 'Welcome To L.A.' Alan Rudolph films are languid and slow, this Keitel film didn't feel that way at all.


Hmmm... 'Mother, Juggs & Speed' was filmed around LA... can't get it to come up on youtube to look for the the Ardmore building though...

GaylordWilshire Apr 27, 2015 9:40 PM

Walker & Eisen were top-flight architects; 620 S Ardmore was something more than just a builder's ordinary apartment building, not really surprising considering the "uptown" neighborhood.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L...dmoreapts1.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...eaptsttext.jpg
Times Sept 9, 1923


On Dec 13, 1923, the Times reported on a project of "Screen Scintillator" Ruth Roland...also by Walker & Eisen--could she have also developed 620? This much larger co-op apartment project just south of it at the NE corner of Wilshire & Ardmore was never built--although in June there was a news item saying that excavations would begin soon, it looks like Mr. O'Melveny succeeded in putting a stop to it (see the bottommost article).... (I think some of her Wilshire district real-estate deals have come up on NLA before.)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i...154%2520PM.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...206%2520PM.jpg


Times Dec 30, 1923:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C...2520PM.bmp.jpg


Times Jan 4, 1924:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-J...135%2520PM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H...146%2520PM.jpg


Times Jan 11, 1924
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...2520PM.bmp.jpg

Beaudry Apr 27, 2015 9:44 PM

Greetings NLAer's,

Thought I'd throw another thing onto the Noirish bulletin board: there's an exhibition about Bunker Hill at LA Public Library Central, using images and objects culled from their vast and stellar collection. As y'all know, the LAPL online images aren't scanned in high-res à la USC or the Huntington, so it's especially nice to see some old favorites in large format.

http://www.lapl.org/sites/default/fi...tcardimage.jpg

Click here for more info: http://www.lapl.org/whats-on/exhibits/bunker-hill-rear-view-mirror

There's also a celebration of the official opening on Wednesday, May 13th, at 6:00pm. I didn't find a link to that on the LAPL site but did find a Facebook invite, for those of you so Facebook'd. https://www.facebook.com/events/947727811944468/

At this opening party you can purchase copies of the accompanying book—which I've seen and consider to be the best book yet on the subject, so, you Hill fans, or those of you who fill your shelves with Old LA in general, make certain to pick up this forthcoming slender, but indispensable volume.

tovangar2 Apr 27, 2015 9:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7005951)

I don't think the film was 'Welcome To L.A.' Alan Rudolph films are languid and slow, this Keitel film didn't feel that way at all.

City of Industry (1997)

trailer

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v...24734%2BPM.jpg
Orion/IMDB

ethereal_reality Apr 27, 2015 10:03 PM

:previous: That's it tovanger2!!
Whoa, I just noticed it says 1997. I was waaaay off. No wonder I couldn't find it.




Thanks for the back-story on 620 Ardmore Avenue GW.
I had to laugh at the headline 'Screen Scintillator To Build Spacious Hostelry'.

Here's the scintillator herself, Ms. Ruth Roland
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/URRB66.jpg
https://books.google.com/books?id=W8...0estate&f=true

She also invested here:

"Later she put her fortune to work in real estate, buying a tract of land between Universal City and Hollywood
that she subdivided and sold to her fellow workers in the movie industry."
https://books.google.com/books?id=W8...0estate&f=true

It would be fun to figure out the location of Ms. Roland's early subdivision. It must be somewhere on the east side of Cahuenga Pass.

# # #




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...912/ldPua2.jpg

If anyone is interested in listening to one of the song from 'Welcome To L.A.' here is the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZkEImzsOHY

It begins with a way too brief shot of Lauren Hutton.
The song ends around the 2:00 minute mark.
After that, there's a long scene between Keith Carradine and a sickly Geraldine Chaplin
who thinks she's dying of tuberculosis like Greta Garbo in Camille.


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GaylordWilshire Apr 27, 2015 10:30 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G...2520PM.bmp.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-4...2520PM.bmp.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...2520PM.bmp.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2...2520PM.bmp.jpg


A few more grabs from City of Industry... I see that the 1955 building to the right of 620 still stands.... Where's my chainsaw?

ethereal_reality Apr 27, 2015 10:52 PM

:previous: I see a sliver of the peaked roof in your second to last screen-grab GW.


I was surprised that the entire movie 'City of Industry' is on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMAOPHuzQJo
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tovangar2 Apr 28, 2015 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7006217)

The entire movie 'City of Industry' is on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMAOPHuzQJo
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A person could kill a lot of time finding all the locations in City of Industry.

IAMNOTASTALKER details the Cliff House here

Timothy Hutton, Wade Dominguez and Harvey Keitel even find time to stop by the Ambassador Hotel:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W...41955%2BPM.jpg
orion

I couldn't find Ruth Roland's development, but she did build the house below for a cousin. It's one of only seven Burbank buildings on the California Register of Historic Resources still in private hands. Her family hung on to it for 87 years, selling last year. The MLS photos are here

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K...33055%2BPM.jpg
www.burbankca.gov

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-m...34156%2BPM.jpg
silenceisplatinum

ethereal_reality Apr 28, 2015 12:15 AM

I think this 'before and after' is pretty amazing.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...537/D83fhs.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...673/ocCYSn.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...909/2qZrbm.jpg
http://www.viewfromaloft.org/before_and_after_la/

"Figueroa and Temple, then and now. 1939 via Caltrans. Current image via googlemaps."

Notice how the curved bridge has pretty much stayed the same, while everything around it has evolved (or shall I say devolved)

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ethereal_reality Apr 28, 2015 1:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6996400)

'Crosby, Stills & Nash' album cover. 812 Palm Avenue, West Hollywood. (1969)

http://www.popspotsnyc.com/crosby_st...ls_Diltz_8.jpg

The small bungalow was originally housing for the railway workers, employed at the Pacific Electric terminus across Santa Monica Blvd.

Ever since Martin_Pal's post, I've been thinking about this trio of small bungalows on Marcia Drive in Silver Lake (or is it Echo Park? I'm not sure)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/FlsA0D.jpg
gsv

I wonder who built them...and for whom?
As you can see, their basic design is identical (the middle one has added a garage....can you imagine how small that one is inside!!)
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GaylordWilshire Apr 28, 2015 2:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7006140)
Thanks for the back-story on 620 Ardmore Avenue GW.
I had to laugh at the headline 'Screen Scintillator To Build Spacious Hostelry'.

Here's the scintillator herself, Ms. Ruth Roland
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/URRB66.jpg
https://books.google.com/books?id=W8...0estate&f=true

She also invested here:

"Later she put her fortune to work in real estate, buying a tract of land between Universal City and Hollywood
that she subdivided and sold to her fellow workers in the movie industry."
https://books.google.com/books?id=W8...0estate&f=true

It would be fun to figure out the location of Ms. Roland's early subdivision. It must be somewhere on the east side of Cahuenga Pass.


From what I can tell, there was Roland Square and an apparent extension, New Roland Square, to the southeast of the Wilshire/Fairfax intersection; another Roland Square, presumably but not definitely connected to the Scintillator, was, according to this ad from the Times of April 9, 1922, in Glendale:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6...2520PM.bmp.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...2520PM.bmp.jpg

ethereal_reality Apr 28, 2015 3:19 AM

:previous: Ms. Roland was investing in every direction! Good for her.


I just came across this 1929 photograph on eBay.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...911/sMKkEl.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1929-AUTO-Cl...item25a53f6b04

:previous: A few inches to the left, and we would have been able to read the name of the APTS. (otherwise, there's not much to go on with this mystery location)


here's the information on the reverse
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...908/2mzR3U.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1929-AUTO-Cl...item25a53f6b04

ethereal_reality Apr 28, 2015 3:40 AM

This is also very interesting.

Earl Carroll Vanities sign, 1950.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...909/0petlE.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1950...item4ae7a37c9f

Pinky Lee?
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CityBoyDoug Apr 28, 2015 4:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7006598)
This is also very interesting.

Earl Carroll Vanities sign, 1950.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...909/0petlE.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1950...item4ae7a37c9f

Pinky Lee?
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Pinky Lee was a well known burlesque and comedy act. He went from his days in vaudeville to a children's TV show in the 1950s.
He always claimed that his act was squeaky clean.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinky_Lee

Pee Wee Herman took a lot of his shtick directly from Pinky.

Here he is on TV:
https://youtu.be/OXDO_n_4qw4

HossC Apr 28, 2015 8:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7006333)

I think this 'before and after' is pretty amazing.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...537/D83fhs.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...673/ocCYSn.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...909/2qZrbm.jpg
http://www.viewfromaloft.org/before_and_after_la/

"Figueroa and Temple, then and now. 1939 via Caltrans. Current image via googlemaps."

Notice how the curved bridge has pretty much stayed the same, while everything around it has evolved (or shall I say devolved)

Nice before and after, e_r. As a reminder, the image below showing the construction of the overpass is from post #801 by sopas ej. I also posted some pictures of the intersection before the overpass, and some recent images, in post #23533.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 4678058)

1939, construction of the Temple St. overpass
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics44/00041869.jpg


HossC Apr 28, 2015 9:25 AM

I found this matchbook on eBay a few nights ago.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lsCoffeeMB.jpg
eBay

The Burl Room on Hollywood Boulevard and Burls Restaurant No 2 on W Pico Boulevard both appear in the 1956 CD (below). The 1960 CD has The Burl Room and Burls Restaurant on Hollywood Boulevard (I couldn't see the W Pico location, but the later CDs don't seem to list that area). Burls Restaurant continues to appear at 4483 Hollywood Boulevard throughout the 1960s, but is listed as Burls Coffee Shop in 1973. The 1987 CD lists the Chinese Garden Cafe at 4483 Hollywood Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...BurlRoomCD.jpg
LAPL

Despite the Hollywood Boulevard restaurant existing for at least 17 years, I haven't managed to find a picture of it.

oldstuff Apr 28, 2015 2:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7006753)
I found this matchbook on eBay a few nights ago.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lsCoffeeMB.jpg
eBay

The Burl Room on Hollywood Boulevard and Burls Restaurant No 2 on W Pico Boulevard both appear in the 1956 CD (below). The 1960 CD has The Burl Room and Burls Restaurant on Hollywood Boulevard (I couldn't see the W Pico location, but the later CDs don't seem to list that area). Burls Restaurant continues to appear at 4483 Hollywood Boulevard throughout the 1960s, but is listed as Burls Coffee Shop in 1973. The 1987 CD lists the Chinese Garden Cafe at 4483 Hollywood Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...BurlRoomCD.jpg
LAPL

Despite the Hollywood Boulevard restaurant existing for at least 17 years, I haven't managed to find a picture of it.

Here's some Noir for you ....Rosemary LaBianca, prior to her marriage, was a waitress at the Burl Room. Yes, THAT Rosemary LaBianca. This tidbit is mentioned in the LAPD Homicide report.

ethereal_reality Apr 28, 2015 3:34 PM

note to self:
Must Find Photo Of Burl Room.

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What a difference a few years can make.


The G.M. Hoff building (1904) back in 2007.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/5MKoED.jpg
gsv


And in 2015.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/cTMEqA.jpg
gsv


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...633/bKOlof.jpggsvhttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/l6Uk6x.jpg
entrance detail

Does anyone know who G.M. Hoff was?

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Hollywood Graham Apr 28, 2015 4:34 PM

Burl's
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7006753)
I found this matchbook on eBay a few nights ago.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lsCoffeeMB.jpg
eBay

The Burl Room on Hollywood Boulevard and Burls Restaurant No 2 on W Pico Boulevard both appear in the 1956 CD (below). The 1960 CD has The Burl Room and Burls Restaurant on Hollywood Boulevard (I couldn't see the W Pico location, but the later CDs don't seem to list that area). Burls Restaurant continues to appear at 4483 Hollywood Boulevard throughout the 1960s, but is listed as Burls Coffee Shop in 1973. The 1987 CD lists the Chinese Garden Cafe at 4483 Hollywood Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...BurlRoomCD.jpg
LAPL

Despite the Hollywood Boulevard restaurant existing for at least 17 years, I haven't managed to find a picture of it.

While selling newspapers as a 11-12 year old kid one of the places i sold at was in front of Burl's at where Hollywood Bl. and Hillhurst cross. Hollywood Bl. starts here at Sunset Bl. which bend off. At that time as far as I remember it was a coffee shop, there may have been a lounge but not sure. Next door was the Vista Theater and down the street was a movie studio (now KCET). I had regular customers that I would bring papers too inside. Across the street was a drive in and another studio lot on Sunset. There was a lot of traffic and foot traffic there then and I sold lots of papers.

tovangar2 Apr 28, 2015 4:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7006987)


Does anyone know who G.M. Hoff was?

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No.

G. M. Hoff Building AKA Hoff's Rooming House
116 East 5th Street 90013
Built 1904
Preston and Seehorn, Architects

Another example of Preston and Seehorn's work:
Irvine House (1906)
3115 Brockton Avenue
Riverside, California 92501

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r...94939%2BAM.jpg
gsv

GaylordWilshire Apr 28, 2015 4:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7006987)
The G.M. Hoff building (1904).... in 2015.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/cTMEqA.jpg
gsv


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...633/bKOlof.jpggsvhttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/l6Uk6x.jpg
entrance detail

Does anyone know who G.M. Hoff was?

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Unless the extra fillip was a later embellishment, I'm surprised that C M Hoff didn't object to the stylizing of his first initial...


Times March 1 & 20, 1904:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k...s318/hoff1.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...2520PM.bmp.jpg

tovangar2 Apr 28, 2015 5:11 PM

:previous:

Huh. Maybe his son George did that after he inherited. (speculation)

MichaelRyerson Apr 28, 2015 6:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham (Post 7007069)
While selling newspapers as a 11-12 year old kid one of the places i sold at was in front of Burl's at where Hollywood Bl. and Hillhurst cross. Hollywood Bl. starts here at Sunset Bl. which bend off. At that time as far as I remember it was a coffee shop, there may have been a lounge but not sure. Next door was the Vista Theater and down the street was a movie studio (now KCET). I had regular customers that I would bring papers too inside. Across the street was a drive in and another studio lot on Sunset. There was a lot of traffic and foot traffic there then and I sold lots of papers.

What years would that have been?

HossC Apr 28, 2015 6:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7006987)

The G.M. Hoff building in 2015.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/cTMEqA.jpg
gsv

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7007100)

Unless the extra fillip was a later embellishment, I'm surprised that C M Hoff didn't object to the stylizing of his first initial...

A little more on the C M Hoff Building from the July 3, 1904 edition of the Los Angeles Herald.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
California Digital Newspaper Collection

BTW. It's clearly marked as the C M Hoff Block on the 1910, 1914 and 1921 Baist maps.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
www.historicmapworks.com/www.historicmapworks.com/www.historicmapworks.com

Beaudry Apr 28, 2015 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7007076)
No.

G. M. Hoff Building AKA Hoff's Rooming House
116 East 5th Street 90013
Built 1904
Preston and Seehorn, Architects

Another example of Preston and Seehorn's work:
Irvine House (1906)
3115 Brockton Avenue
Riverside, California 92501

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r...94939%2BAM.jpg
gsv

A bit more about Jasper Newton Preston, if I may. Before he came to Los Angeles was the architect of the Driskill in Austin, among others (Preston & Son worked in Texas from 1875-86, and a large collection of their buildings stand, eight of which are landmarked, of which six are National Register).

Of course, few Prestons remain in Los Angeles. Here is one of his early farmhouses, built just after his arrival in LA, and here is Preston's residence for Andrew Glassell, also 1887. Perhaps best known on Noirish would be his 1891 high school on Fort Moore:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7694/...517f0e91_o.png

And his 1893 (as Preston & Locke) addition to the Normal School (William Curlett, 1881):

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8744/...e1f41560_o.png
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7711/...63051010_o.png

Less well-known perhaps is his Burdick Block:

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8810/...00df2746_o.png

A standing local treasure is the Bolt House. Another of his great extant structures is the Coconino Court House in Flagstaff (1894).

Preston's son and business partner, Samuel, dies in 1889, whereafter Preston works with Seymour Locke (1893-94), Don MacKenzie (1896), Norman F Marsh (1900-01), and Ira H Seehorn (1902-07).

Preston retired in '07, at age 76, who had for many years been president of the AIA Southern Chapter, was made a life member of the AIA. He passes in 1922.

tovangar2 Apr 28, 2015 10:26 PM

:previous:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7007541)
A bit more about Jasper Newton Preston, if I may.

The LA Conservancy says Preston was also architect of our old Hall of Records. Is that true? Because I've also read it was Frank Hudson and William Munsel. Good info on the guy is elusive (except from you of course). Thx

Beaudry Apr 28, 2015 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7007577)
:previous:

The LA Conservancy says Preston was also architect of our old Hall of Records. Is that true? Because I've also read it was Frank Hudson and William Munsel. Good info on the guy is elusive (except from you of course). Thx

Yeah, I raised an eyebrow at that too, but don't have time right now to do a full dig. I can say this: the Hall of Records with which we're all familiar is absolutely Hudson & Munsell. And it's later than Preston anyway, as he retired in 1907, and H&R get the commission in December of that year.

So, Preston arrives in 1887, does he design and there is built a Hall of Records? I don't think so. There was already one, it seems, across from City Hall, according to this. Plus, LA was gearing up for a new Court House: after 1891, and the completion of the County Court House, the Hall of Records was inside, on the first floor, on the New High St side, of the County Courthouse.

JN Preston & Son did "put in a finely executed plan for our new courthouse, which was very much admired" (per the Herald, 5 June 1887). Maybe it is from here the confusion arises? More work on this needs to be done!


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