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flar Nov 9, 2006 4:01 AM

Five Miles of Grit: A long walk down Barton St. in Hamilton
 
HAMILTON NEIGHBOURHOODS:
CorktownDurandCentralDundasLocke St. SouthBurlingtonStinsonWestdaleSt. ClairKeithLandsdale
The DeltaGibsonJamesvilleConcession StreetDurand NorthDurand SouthOld Dundas HousesHess VillageBarton Street
AncasterNorth KirkendallSouth KirkendallMcMaster UniversityDowntownThe BayfrontThe North EndKenilworth
Mountain BrowTextile DistrictStrathconaNorth StipleyFlamboroughBeasleyChedokeStoney CreekThe Beach Strip


HAMILTON FEATURES:
C I T Y _ L I G H T SStone HamiltonTwilight of the Industrial AgeTwilight of the Industrial Age II
Stone in Dundas and AncasterGoodbye, Hamilton (from 43 floors up)Dirty BrickDay for Night
This broken down old city still manages to wake up every morning...Everywhere, Ontario< R - E - T - R - O >
HAMILTON | Scenes from the cutting room floorS U B U R B I A !Everywhere, OntarioHamilton Rowhouses
< H E A V Y <> I N D U S T R Y > Old Man Winter vs. Hamilton





The Infamous Barton Street

This is an in-depth tour of Hamilton's Barton St. from Bay St. to Parkdale Ave. This might well be the grittiest stretch of road in Canada.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...barton/map.jpg

It starts off innocently...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00001.jpg

Note that many of the trees in these pics still have leaves in November (some are still green). This is due to Hamilton's milder microclimate. Everywhere else in Ontario the trees are pretty much bare.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00004.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00006.jpg


We arrive at James Street

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00011.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00013.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00015.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00016.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00018.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00019.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00020.jpg

This is a prison

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00021.jpg

really, it is

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/00021a.jpg

This is across the street

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00023.jpg



I'm not exactly sure what this woman was doing, but she had no pants...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00025.jpg


Construction...
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00026.jpg

...former industrial lands...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00029.jpg

...an old school

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00034.jpg



While I was taking this picture, right beside me, two men handed a prostitute some crack. I would have photographed it for you, but the men objected.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00037.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00039.jpg


Hamilton General Hospital

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00040.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00041.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00042.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00043.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00046.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00044.jpg


Now to Barton Village, I took a couple pics around here back in my "Inner City Hamilton" thread.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00056.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00048.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00047.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00050.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00053.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00054.jpg


A practitioner of the oldest profession...

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00061.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00060.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00062.jpg



I would like to have taken more people pictures, but the people around here mostly objected before I even tried. A few asked me what I was doing taking pictures. They're justifiably suspicious about this kind of attention.



http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00059.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00058.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00064.jpg

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http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00066.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00067.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00070.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00071.jpg



Now we're around Wentworth Street

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00076.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00075.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00074.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00084.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00077.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00081.jpg

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http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00083.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00086.jpg



The cops were chasing someone down the alley

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00088.jpg

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http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00090.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00091.jpg

A quick look down a residential side street
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00092.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00095.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00096.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00097.jpg

Another sidestreet
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00098.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00099.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00100.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00102.jpg

Sherman Ave.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00108.jpg

Now we're entering a Polish area, just east of Sherman Ave.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00104.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...on/000104a.jpg

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http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00112.jpg

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Still going...
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00114.jpg

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http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00119.jpg

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http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00128.jpg



The buildings aren't quite as old now as we approach Ottawa Street

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100001.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100002.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100005.jpg

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http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100019.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100020.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100033.jpg



We finally reach Ottawa Street

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100021.jpg

The Centre Mall occupies the north side of the street, I didn't take many pictures of this, I trust you've all seen a mall before

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100022.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100025.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100026.jpg

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http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100032.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100034.jpg


At Kenilworth Ave.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100036.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100039.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100003.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100043.jpg

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/100008.jpg

http://aas.ath.cx/barton.jpg
I'm really tired of walking now so I'll end it...thanks if you've made it this far.

shappy Nov 9, 2006 4:14 AM

wow, that is nastay!

great photo here:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00119.jpg

rgalston Nov 9, 2006 4:14 AM

Very nice. Reminds me of Winnipeg's Selkirk Avenue.

LoKKiTo Nov 9, 2006 4:24 AM

Ghetto, can pass for inner-city USA. Crime also seems to be a problem in that area.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00086.jpg
Projects?

niwell Nov 9, 2006 4:29 AM

Nice pictures, that does look like a rather sketchy stretch of street. As gritty as it is though, there is definetly a lot of potential there.

kool maudit Nov 9, 2006 4:43 AM

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00023.jpg

http://www.asabovesobelow.ca/forum/wtf.jpg

wtf?

flar Nov 9, 2006 5:34 AM

^^Obviously its a ghost! here's a higher res closeup
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...ton/window.jpg

@LoKKiTo, I'm not sure but I don't think those are projects. In Ontario "projects" usually take the form of geared to income townhouse complexes rather than highrise apartments.

CCF Nov 9, 2006 5:58 AM

Wow, very interesting.

You just don't see this sorta thing in Regina. We have vacant buildings, but nothing to that extent.

I would like to get out to Hamilton.

softee Nov 9, 2006 6:06 AM

It's almost as gritty as Sudbury!

boden Nov 9, 2006 2:18 PM

Probably how most people picture Hamilton anyway!:D Good post!

matt602 Nov 9, 2006 5:04 PM

I thought I saw you yesterday. I passed you on the bus going West at Victoria. You were probably taking a picture of that Caribbean food place. I figured it was you since nobody else in this city would bother to take pictures along Barton ;)

Nice pics by the way, the stuff I see every day. It really doesn't seem so bad in person, but in pictures it looks right up there with Buffalo's nastyness.

flar Nov 9, 2006 5:16 PM

^^It probably was me...there weren't a lot of people out in the damp cloudy weather. I guess this just shows one reason why the design of these old neighbourhoods is good: you always run into people. I even saw my wife and a couple of her co-workers walking down the street on their lunch break.

SteelTown Nov 9, 2006 5:57 PM

Yep and it appears you ran into my aunt as well *embarrassed*

olga Nov 9, 2006 6:06 PM

Very interesting, thanks for the tour!

circle33 Nov 9, 2006 6:21 PM

Thanks for risking life and limb for us. That was quite an eye opener.

MolsonExport Nov 9, 2006 8:00 PM

Wicked Grit. As for the Grit Capital of Canada, it has to be Montreal. There is just soooo much grit in Montreal.

J. Will Nov 9, 2006 8:11 PM

Crime may or may not be a major problem in the area (I don't know), but Hamilton, like other Canadian cities, has low rates of murder and other violent crimes (I think they average 5-10 murders a year). Most of the crime is property crime and things of that nature.

matt602 Nov 9, 2006 9:39 PM

petty crimes maybe, but not major crimes.

raisethehammer Nov 9, 2006 10:05 PM

I love it....great photos.
Most potential in the city lies on this street. A great streetwall still exists and the foundation is there to work from:
Ethnic eateries - I love Duartes, Staropolskie, Frank's Sicilia and many others you photographed here. The biggest problem is really the taxes. Even artists haven't shown up yet in large numbers like you would expect along such a corridor.
I know someone who once tried to buy a building here to renovate it into lofts with streetfront commercial. The empty, decayed building paid something like $5,000 a year in taxes. He was told that once his plans were complete he would be paying over $50,000 a year in taxes! And the building was only $200,000 to purchase. Needless to say that idea (along with everyone else's who's tried in this corridor) died.
Until the city decides that suburban sprawl will pay it's own way instead of robbing from neighbourhoods like this to subsidize it, we'll never see change.

Tony Nov 9, 2006 10:12 PM

Go Hamilton!

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k2...rton/00089.jpg

An old bank turn into private residence?! What would you do with the old vault... hmmm. You could keep your "product" & revenue there!


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