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BifRayRock Sep 26, 2012 4:04 AM

Eating at the hat has been covered in this thread from page 8 onward. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=148 3427 Wilshire originally opened in '26. I've wondered how so many posts managed to crop out the Gaylord built in '24.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...341JAYHS45.jpgC.St.Lib

http://martinturnbull.files.wordpres...brownderby.jpghttp://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...9QEwAg&dur=667

http://www.photographersgallery.com/...y_wilshire.jpggoogle

http://kittypackard.files.wordpress....nderby1954.jpggoogle

Brown Derby from Ebay. Seller indicates '40s, Early '50s cars belie this.
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/350824...byNegative.jpg

MichaelRyerson Sep 26, 2012 9:44 AM

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MichaelRyerson Sep 26, 2012 10:39 AM

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8438/7...470012fb_o.jpg
View of new Hyperion-Glendale Boulevard bridge over the Los Angeles River, Los Angeles, 1928

Photograph (engineering notebook photoprint) of new Hyperion-Glendale Boulevard bridge over the Los Angeles River (still under construction, note scaffolding), Los Angeles. Looking north from hills on south side of Los Angeles River. The bridge is under construction. Trees line the river. A cityscape (buildings are mostly dwellings, some commercial) looking up Glendale Boulevard which has a streetcar line going up the middle lined with palm trees. Automobiles are parked in the staging area at the base of the construction. Also visible are: piles of lumber, tree branches in the extreme foreground, some buildings in the foreground, trees and hills in the distance, construction lines are strung across the middle of the image, crane working in the river bed, streetcar. Legible signs include: "Forest Lawn Memorial Park", "Riverside Lumber Yard".

USCdigital archive/Automobile Club of Southern California engineering notebook photoprints, 1922-1941



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8437/7...6907095b_o.jpg
View of Hyperion Bridge, Los Angeles, 1932

USCdigital archive/Automobile Club of Southern California negatives, 1892-1963



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8442/8...9af5ebb0_o.jpg
Hyperion Avenue over the Los Angeles River (2)

bridgehunter.com



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/8...dcdcf046_o.jpg
Hyperion Avenue over the Los Angeles River (1)

bridgehunter.com



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8312/8...562d3069_o.jpg
north figueroa street viaduct, february 1938

This was the cover of California Highways and Public Works from February 1938. The copyright was not renewed and has thus expired. This specific image comes from <a href="http://www.scresources.com/highways" rel="nofollow">www.scresources.com/highways</a>. In the present configuration this is the lower bridge.



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8036/8...b2d7fb2c_o.jpg
Birdseye view of completed North Figueroa Street bridge looking northeast from hilltop, 1938

Photograph of a birdseye view of completed North Figueroa Street bridge looking south from hilltop. "Received. Examiner reference library" -- stamped on verso, dated, "September 8, 1938". We are looking at the just completed (road barriers still in place) North Figueroa Street Viaduct over the Los Angeles River. This section will become part of the Arroyo Seco Parkway in two years (1940).

USCdigital archive/Los Angeles Examiner Prints Collection, late 1920's - 1961



http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7248/7...3e58b620_o.jpg
north broadway bridge

North Broadway (Buena Vista) over the Los Angeles River
bridgehunter



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8442/7...f4261098_o.jpg
Sixth Street Viaduct spanning the Los Angeles River, showing the large bridge, C.C. Pierce, 1932

Photograph of the Sixth Street Viaduct spanning the Los Angeles River, showing the large bridge, 1932. A long, stone bridge with massive arches and thick supports extends from the left foreground to the right distance. Light poles line the edge of the bridge. Railroad tracks lie below the bridge in the foreground while a train rides along a second set in the background.

USCdigital archive/Title Insurance and Trust / C.C. Pierce Photography Collection, 1860-1960

GaylordWilshire Sep 26, 2012 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5845161)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8033/8...f581d9b0_o.jpg
The interior of a grocery store just before opening time. 1936

The interior of a grocery store before it opens showing the merchandise in display cases and people looking in through the windows. Unfortunately, no name, no address. Beautiful shot though.

USCdigital archive/Getty -- Faces of LA, 1936-1958/Dick Whittington Collection


Sometimes you have to dig a little for names and addresses, otherwise it's just a picture:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2948

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3522

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3521

MichaelRyerson Sep 26, 2012 11:20 AM

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ethereal_reality Sep 26, 2012 7:33 PM

Wow, two great recent posts.

I have never seen construction photographs of the little art deco gem that is Security First National Bank.
Thanks for posting them bifrayrock....they're exceptional.

Excellent post on the bridges MichaelRyerson. I especially liked the before/after of the Hyperion-Glendale Blvd. Bridge, as well as the hilltop view of the North Figueroa Bridge.
The small cluster of buildings just to the left of the N. Figueroa Bridge looks a tiny studio 'backlot' (I know it's not though)
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http://imageshack.us/a/img853/7765/a...die1927whi.jpg
found on ebay


I had to laugh at myself. When I initially came across this snapshot I looked for two tourists named Holly and Norm. LOL
Obviously it's the corner of Hollywood & Normandie. Offhand, I'm not sure if the building is still there or not.

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MOliscous Sep 26, 2012 7:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 5844910)
Civilization 1895 (Spring St. looking north)
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...BK9HEPAE2A.jpgCalLib

Mr. Niles Pease can be found here now:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg...&GRid=73973059

GaylordWilshire Sep 26, 2012 8:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5845734)
http://imageshack.us/a/img853/7765/a...die1927whi.jpg
found on ebay

I had to laugh at myself. When I initially came across this snapshot I looked for two tourists named Holly and Norm. LOL
Obviously it's the corner of Hollywood & Normandie. Offhand, I'm not sure if the building is still there or not.
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At least three corners of Hollywood & Normandie appear to have had single story buildings with chamfered corners--the Rose Drug Co. was at 5100 Hollywood Blvd--the southwest corner--and I'm afraid it's history. There is a new single-story building on the southeast (though I suppose there's a chance it might be the old one re-faced). One of the old buildings still stands on the northwest, and it's a little gem even with all the signs:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y...630%2520PM.jpg

ethereal_reality Sep 26, 2012 9:36 PM

:previous: Disappointed that the Rose Drug building is gone...but happy to see that nice little building is still around.

BifRayRock Sep 26, 2012 10:11 PM

Feathers from the "other" end of the tracks?
 
Most are familiar with Cawston's Ostriches in South Pasadena and other menageries in East Los Angeles, http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2448 but what about Santa Monica?

There was an Ostrich Farm Railway*, and in 1889 Santa Monica started bird farming with 34 birds on a seven acre tract. http://oceanpark.wordpress.com/top/ocean-park-history/

http://imaginesantamonica.net/cgi-bi...B=1&DMROTATE=0SM.P.ub.Lib

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...SVUMXL58UH.jpghttp://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...G31JF3MFBG.jpgC.ST.LIB


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Quote:

LOS ANGELES OSTRICH FARM RAILWAY COMPANY

The original line of LAP, on Sunset Blvd., came into being away back in 1886 when the 3' gauge Los Angeles Ostrich Farm Railway Co. built its single track line of steam motor railroad from a point in Elysian Park Avenue (Sunset Blvd.) opposite the Sisters' Hospital (now St. Vincent's, then at Beaudry & Sunset) in a general northwesterly and westerly direction along present Sunset Boulevard to Childs Avenue (near Sanborn Junction)and thence northerly, crossing Effie Street and the northern boundary of the city, then up the west side of the Los Angeles River to Kenilworth Station on the Los Feliz Rancho (now Griffith Park), where the ostrich farm then was.

The Ostrich Farm Ry. was incorporated in California on August 5, 1886; among its incorporators was Mr. I.W. Hellman (later to be affiliated with Henry E. Huntington in the famous Huntington-Hellman Syndicate which established the Pacific Electric in 1901). The company's announced purposes were: "to acquire by purchase or otherwise rights of way and lands---and to construct, operate and maintain a narrow gauge steam motor railroad." The proposed road would transport passengers and freight, the cars of which were to be drawn by locomotives or dummies, from some point in Los Angeles City to the Ostrich Farm, about eight miles. The total capitalization was $60,000, of which $8,000 was paid to Mr. G.J. Griffith, the treasurer.

During the latter part of 1886, Mr. W.L. Wicks of Los Angeles constructed for this company a line of railroad 6.387 miles in length which followed the route set forth in the first paragraph. Wicks performed the work under a contract with the company by the terms of which has was to receive a subsidy from various land owners along the line and also all of the capital stock of the company. After the construction work had commenced (1886), all of the stock was issued to Wicks except a few shares which were issued to the directors. On July 9, 1887, an agreement was entered into by Mr. Wicks and the LOS ANGELES COUNTY RAILROAD COMPANY where-by the latter company agreed to purchase the Ostrich Farm Ry. Co. for the sum of $50,000, payable to Wicks in bonds of the Los Angeles County RR. Co. During August, 1887, this deal was carried out.

Operation of this line commenced during the latter part of 1886 and was continued until on or about August 15, 1887, at which time the line was turned over to the Los Angeles County RR. Co. under the agreement dated July 9, 1887.

On September 6, 1888, the Los Angeles Ostrich Farm Ry. Co., together with the Los Angeles County RR. Co. and the Los Angeles & Pacific Ry. Co., entered into an agreement to consolidate, and to form a new railroad corporation to be known the THE LOS ANGELES & PACIFIC RAILWAY COMPANY. This consolidation was effective on September 11, 1888, on which date the LA&P became the owner of all property formerly owned by this corporation.http://www.erha.org/lap_corphist.htm#laofrc


BifRayRock Sep 26, 2012 10:21 PM

1924 Southern Pacific RR

No Smoke No Cinders No Dust
EXCLUSIVELY FIRST CLASS WITH NO EXTRA FARE

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...YUK5TR23PY.jpgC.St.Lib

ethereal_reality Sep 26, 2012 10:34 PM

An intriguing matchbook.

http://imageshack.us/a/img341/7037/m...dahliainho.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img19/7037/mb...dahliainho.jpg
ebay*

I believe it says Hollywood Blvd. at Las Palmas
Phone GLadstone 5673


Trying to find more information, I found this at a Black Dahlia website (the link is below)

http://imageshack.us/a/img16/8489/mbsusieqditto.jpg
http://www.theblackdahliainhollywood.com/

*The site also had the matchbook (I am wondering if this is where I originally found it)
I now have it on an old cd I had burned with other ebay items.
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I also found this less exotic matchbook on flickr

http://imageshack.us/a/img515/1424/mbsusieqflickr.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41606952@N07/4402171298/



Lo and behold, the old Susie-Q stills stands in all its art deco glory at Hollywood blvd. and Las Palmas.

http://imageshack.us/a/img833/528/mbsusieqtoday1.jpg
google street view

above: The outdoor newspaper/book stand along the Las Palmas side of the Susie-Q building has been featured in numerous film noirs.
I can't name them offhand. I'll have to do some additional research...because...you know...this IS 'noirish' Los Angeles. :)




below: A slightly different view.

http://imageshack.us/a/img39/4397/mbsusieqtoday.jpg
google street view

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BifRayRock Sep 26, 2012 10:43 PM

Pershing Square - Spanish Am War Monument - 1946. A less traditional view.
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...2UTCFVGBP5.jpg

Nightime Biltmore - 1946
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...92K53HT6EX.jpg BothC.St.Lib

ethereal_reality Sep 26, 2012 11:39 PM

I just found this matchbook today. It names the owners and manager of Merlo's. (photo below)

http://imageshack.us/a/img96/7310/16075528.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img687/2900/scopya.jpg
ebay


Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 4959071)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics33/00066387.jpgLAPL

Another market, a few centuries ahead in design. Beverly Boulevard.


Albany NY Sep 27, 2012 12:45 AM

Extreme Amputee.
 
Originally posted by etherreal reality
http://imageshack.us/a/img853/7765/a...die1927whi.jpg
found on ebay

"I had to laugh at myself. When I initially came across this snapshot I looked for two tourists named Holly and Norm. LOL
Obviously it's the corner of Hollywood & Normandie. Offhand, I'm not sure if the building is still there or not."


http://imageshack.us/a/img825/1667/96014120.jpgGoogle Maps

I think I may have found another pseudo-survivor. The building on the SW corner of Normandie and Hollywood looks like
it contains the back half of the original building, but the entire front half has been cleaved off.

http://imageshack.us/a/img16/1334/10582259.jpgGoogle Maps

Look at the remaining side doorway. And if you look real close at the current view, you can see where
the 2 side windows used to be. I think Holly and Norm hopped the bus back to Iowa just in time.

ethereal_reality Sep 27, 2012 1:06 AM

:previous: My God Albany_NY, I think you are correct! I can see the two 'phantom' windows (as well as the doorway)
and they appear to be the same proportions as the old Rose Drug Building.

http://imageshack.us/a/img820/8919/a...in1927copy.jpg

"I believe Holly and Norm hopped the bus back to Iowa just in time"

And you sir, have a great sense of humor. LOL Too funny!
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GaylordWilshire Sep 27, 2012 1:12 AM

Albany-- Excellent detective work.- that the Rose Drug Co. might still half-exist hadn't occurred to me. Who knew that not all strip malls are new construction? (If you would call this a strip mall, that is...)

ethereal_reality Sep 27, 2012 1:40 AM

I agree GW, it's so excellent.
His discovery makes me want to go back and look again at all intersections that I had written off as completely destroyed.
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ethereal_reality Sep 27, 2012 1:52 AM

I found this old matchbook recently.

http://imageshack.us/a/img713/2795/a...omonvermon.jpg



I liked the old school graphics and old world name so I decided to checked out the address.
Much to my surprise this establishment is still going strong after many years in busines.


http://imageshack.us/a/img823/9526/a...om1stillth.jpg
google street view


A multitude of Dresden Room reviews (as in 420) can be read here.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-dresden-...nt-los-angeles
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rick m Sep 27, 2012 2:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5845990)
An intriguing matchbook.

http://imageshack.us/a/img341/7037/m...dahliainho.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img19/7037/mb...dahliainho.jpg
ebay*

I believe it says Hollywood Blvd. at Las Palmas
Phone GLadstone 5673


Trying to find more information, I found this at a Black Dahlia website (the link is below)

http://imageshack.us/a/img16/8489/mbsusieqditto.jpg
http://www.theblackdahliainhollywood.com/

*The site also had the matchbook (I am wondering if this is where I originally found it)
I now have it on an old cd I had burned with other ebay items.
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I also found this less exotic matchbook on flickr

http://imageshack.us/a/img515/1424/mbsusieqflickr.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/41606952@N07/4402171298/



Lo and behold, the old Susie-Q stills stands in all its art deco glory at Hollywood blvd. and Las Palmas.

http://imageshack.us/a/img833/528/mbsusieqtoday1.jpg
google street view

above: The outdoor newspaper/book stand along the Las Palmas side of the Susie-Q building has been featured in numerous film noirs.
I can't name them offhand. I'll have to do some additional research...because...you know...this IS 'noirish' Los Angeles. :)




below: A slightly different view.

http://imageshack.us/a/img39/4397/mbsusieqtoday.jpg
google street view

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Also was the site of the tres notorioso GOLD CUP in the later 60s til about '74 - The boulevard's hustler coffeeshop of much repute -- Barely had the nerve to pass by it's door as a very agog teenager --

ConstructDTLA Sep 27, 2012 5:33 AM

Great pics guys!! I get lost in this thread for hours.


I'm working on a Downtown photo blog. Currently doing a lot of precise before / after pics as well as my usual architectural beauty pics. Any befores you want me to do?

I live in DTLA, I walk the area daily with a camera. I'm always ready to take pictures of whatever you guys (specifically out of towners) cant see in person. Just ask - I'll try to keep a better eye on this thread :)

ethereal_reality Sep 27, 2012 6:31 AM

:previous: That sounds like a good deal to me HunterK! I am sure I will take you up on your generous offer sometime in the near future.
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ethereal_reality Sep 27, 2012 6:48 AM

A slide dated 1952.

http://imageshack.us/a/img703/378/la...rshingsq19.jpg
ebay
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Los Angeles Past Sep 27, 2012 7:24 AM

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GaylordWilshire Sep 27, 2012 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick m (Post 5846209)
Also was the site of the tres notorioso GOLD CUP in the later 60s til about '74 - The boulevard's hustler coffeeshop of much repute -- Barely had the nerve to pass by it's door as a very agog teenager --


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-D...2520AM.bmp.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/33455118@N08/

rick m--is that you lurking at the newsstand?

Fab Fifties Fan Sep 27, 2012 4:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5846533)

The Gold Cup was still around when I moved to L.A. in '75 and yep it had quite the reputation! BTW, I don't see anyone tall enough to be me in that picture, so I'm safe :D

~Jon Paul

BifRayRock Sep 27, 2012 4:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5785763)
No, both of these pictures are of the same mast, one of the first two original masts (Main and Commercial and First and Hill). This being the mast identified by DWP as being at Main and Commercial Streets (although it is clear that strictly speaking it was off the corner by a couple hundred feet, being pretty much in front of the Bella).


DWP Historical notes: "By December the only hold-up was the delayed arrival of the dynamo and lamps. In growing anticipation, the citizens anxiously awaited the moment in history when the first streetlights would illuminate the night skies of Los Angeles. That moment came on December 30, 1882 before an admiring crowd of spectators. Mayor Toberman threw a switch at twenty minutes past eight, simultaneously lighting two mast tops, one at Main and Commercial and the other at First and Hill."

"An account in the Express newspaper at the time, recounted the historic event in this way: “The Main Street light burned steadily and beautifully and it cast a light similar to that of the full moon on snow. The First Street light was very unsteady, glowing at times with brilliancy and again almost fading from sight. The only complaint so far is from young couples who find no shady spots on the way home from church or theatre.”"

"By the following evening, five more masts were lighted on First Street and Boyle Avenue; Avenue 22 and North Broadway; First Street and Central Avenue; Fourth Street and Grand Avenue; and Sixth and Main Streets."


The only question is which is the older pic and although it's hard to tell, the image from my earlier post (the second in your post) is what is used in the DWP archives as being the original mast. How these arc masts were modified and how many more of them were installed around the city isn't clear. I haven't been able to find any more information on these early lights. But we do know that ornamental posts, what we typically think of as 'streetlights', weren't installed until 1905. So one might deduce, over the years from 1883 to 1905, the old arc lights and their masts proliferated and were modified as new technology became available. Hence the appearance of 'out of place' arc lights. But the location of the original seven is pretty well established.


Again from the DWP Historical notes: " In May 1905, the first ornamental post system in the city was introduced on Broadway between First and Main Streets. This installation consisted of 135 posts each equipped with six small glass globes, enclosing 16 candle-power lamps, and one large glass globe, enclosing a 32 candle-power lamp. This system operated until 1919 when it was demolished to make way for a more modern system."


http://waterandpower.org/Historical_...irst_Light.jpgLAPL


1888, Los Angeles:
Is that a flagpole, or one of Mayor Toberman's extra tall illumination devices? If you miss it, it is at the foot of a pyramid shaped structure.

http://www.oldeyankeemap.com/Rendere...geles-1888.jpghttp://www.oldeyankeemap.com

ethereal_reality Sep 27, 2012 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5846434)

Here is another view of Pershing Square around the same period of time.

http://imageshack.us/a/img41/1728/aa...pershingsq.jpg
ebay
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ethereal_reality Sep 27, 2012 11:34 PM

Angels Flight in 1967.

http://imageshack.us/a/img440/9907/a...t1967ebays.jpg
ebay
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ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2012 1:21 AM

Hatchet Murders!!....in bucolic Pasadena of all places.


http://imageshack.us/a/img43/2885/oi...atimesblog.jpg
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...-harnisch.html




below: I wonder if the current occupants know the sordid history of this quaint little house? (center..with the gables)

http://imageshack.us/a/img513/3484/a...urderhouse.jpg
google street view




below: Harold's poor victims.

http://imageshack.us/a/img88/9121/oi...54latimesb.jpg
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...-harnisch.html
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GaylordWilshire Sep 28, 2012 1:36 AM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-G...kitchengrn.jpg

Wow--well, no grisly murders here, except perhaps of a house, one of the many lost with the
demolition of Berkeley Square in the early '60s. I've just been sent a series of photographs
documenting the very last days of #16, which can be seen as an addition to my story on
the The Charles O. Nourse / Fred Swensen House HERE.

ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2012 1:49 AM

:previous: Excellent feature on the Nourse/Swenson house GaylordWilshire.
How did I live my entire life without a "Wake up Now!" lavatory lamp?? :)
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...speaking of Gaylord. I don't remember seeing this before.

http://imageshack.us/a/img850/3944/g...etails1924.jpg
unknown



....or this.

http://imageshack.us/a/img90/2782/gaylordaptspc.jpg
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Mayor Shaw Sep 28, 2012 2:22 AM

Some Follow Up To E_R's Post
 
The Oilar family
Dec. 19, 1954
Nov. 22, 2010 -- It was a less than a week before Christmas -- Saturday, Dec, 19, 1954. Harold Randolph and Grace Elizabeth "Betty" Oilar of Pasadena, Calif., invited some friends, Mr. and Mrs. L.W. McConnell of South Pasadena, over to their home on Avenue 64 for a holiday celebration. The Oilars had three children -- Raymond, 12; Janet, 10; and Martha, 7. Also at the home that night was one of Martha's friends, Bronwyn Rayburn, who lived nearby and was going to spend the night.
The Oilar family and their guests gathered in the living room of the Oilar home and sang Christmas carols, with Betty Oilar playing the piano. The group also walked through the neighborhood, singing Christmas carols to the neighbors.
Harold Oilar, 39, was born in Columbus, Ohio, in 1915, the only child of Forrest and Harriet Oilar. Shortly after Harold was born, the family moved to Little Rock, Ark., where Forrest Oilar worked as an auto distributor. In 1927, the family moved to Long Beach, Calif., where Forrest Oilar managed a drugstore, and Harriet worked as a cashier.
Betty Oilar, 39, was born in Colorado in 1915, the daughter of Raymond and Christina Whitlock. Her father was a construction contractor, and she was the second of four children.
Harold and Betty met while they were attending Bible college in Chicago. She moved back with him to Southern California, and Harold Oiler went into business with his father selling rugs in Alhambra, Calif., while Betty taught Sunday school. Harold Oilar remained interested in religion and psychology, and wrote extensively on the topics, hoping to have a book of his work published.
At some point during the holiday celebration, while the family and friends were singing Christmas carols in the living room, Harold Oilar went out to the garage and brought in his son's Boy Scout axe, and hid it under his bed. Oilar bought the axe several years before to take with him on camping trips, and he always kept it razor sharp. He also took the manuscripts of some of the books he had been writing on psychology and religion and burned them.
At about 10 p.m., after their guests had left and their children were in bed, Harold and Betty planned to listen to the news, but Betty was tired and went to sleep. Harold decided to read. He picked up a copy of "Man Against Himself," by Dr. Karl Menninger, a study of suicide and self-directed violence, first published in 1938. As a student of psychology, Harold had read the book before, and it contained his penciled underlining of significant passages.
After reading for a while, Harold went to Janet and Martha's bedroom. He awoke Martha's friend, Bronwyn Rayburn, and carried her out to the glassed-enclosed porch next to the kidney-shaped swimming pool in the back yard. He told her to sleep there.
Next, he took the family's cocker spaniel, Scooter, out to the back yard.
He returned to his bedroom, retrieved the axe, and attacked his wife. After killing her, he killed his son and two daughters in their rooms.
Harold then took between 25 and 30 sleeping pills, locked himself in the bathroom, and turned on the gas.
On Sunday morning, Bronwyn Rayburn's father, Robert G. Rayburn, president of the Highland (Presbyterian) College, a few blocks from the Oilar home, realized that his daughter had failed to return home in time to attend Sunday school. He went to the Oilar home and found his daughter in the back yard, crying. She told him that Harold Oilar had awakened her in the night and carried her out to the enclosed porch. (Rayburn was also the founder and first president of Covenant College.)
Rayburn took his daughter home, then returned to the Oilar house, where he found a note tacked to the door between the back yard porch and the house -- "Go home," the note read. "Do not go in the house. Go home and tell your daddy to call police."
Rayburn called the Pasadena police. Officer Jim Rasmussen responded, kicked in a side door of the house, and found the two Oilar girls sprawled across a bed in their bedroom, their heads wrapped in blankets. Rasmussen then smelled gas fumes seeping from the locked bathroom door. He kicked in the door, and found Harold Oilar sprawled on the floor against the wall, with the bloody axe next to him. Oilar had rigged an elaborate chain and padlock device to anchor himself to the plumbing in the room, but the padlock was not attached to the chain.
Other police officers arrived at the scene, and summoned medical assistance. Dr. Glenn Blackwelder, a physician at the Pasadena Emergency Hospital, described the scene as "the most terrible thing I've ever seen. I only made sure they were dead and then left the house."
Several notes were found scattered throughout the house -- "Only God could understand, only God could forgive"; "Everything is helpless and hopeless"; "This the only release. They are with God"; and "Sell out everything to pay the debts."
After he was taken into custody, Oilar gave a complete statement to police, admitting his role in the slayings and taking full responsibility. "It can't be real," he said. "I've had a bad dream. I murdered my wife and kids."
While Oilar was being held at the General Hospital prison ward, he raised more questions than he was able to answer. "I want to know why," he said. "Why would I destroy the only things I love in this world, the only things I value? Why? Why?"
"I know it's true," he said. "It's true, it's true. My lawyer told me that it's true and I believe him. It's not a dream. It's true. My only defense is to get out of this world and make room for normal people. I only have one thing in mind. I want to die. The only thing I'm waiting for is to pay the maximum penalty for this thing. I want to pay that price."
"There is no answer unless maybe God knows an answer," Oilar said. "I had problems, certainly, but this was an overwhelming way to solve my problems."
Oilar's problems included financial difficulties with the rug business. "We had been living on a razor's edge," Oilar said. "We started with nothing and we aimed for the stars."
Police records also revealed that Oilar had been arrested twice before -- in 1938, for indecent exposure, and in 1953, as a peeping Tom. Both times, he was sentenced on misdemeanor morals charges, and was ordered to undergo psychiatric therapy.
Funeral services were held on Dec. 23, 1954, for Betty, Raymond, Janet and Martha at the First Church of the Brethren in Long Beach, Calif., with burial at Westminster Memorial Park in Westminster, Calif. (The services were held in Long Beach because that's where Betty Oilar's sister, Helen, lived. Her parents lived in Colorado Springs, Colo.; another sister lived in Wheaton, Ill.; and her brother lived in Rome, Italy, where he was doing missionary work.)
The funeral services were conducted by Robert Rayburn, the Oilars' friend and neighbor from Pasadena. Although Harold Oilar was still being held in the General Hospital prison ward, police and hospital officials said he was well enough to attend the funeral service, but he did not ask to attend.
During the funeral service, Rayburn said, "Our hearts go out to Harold Oilar for the salvation of his soul and the repose of his spirit."
Oilar was arraigned on four murder charges on Dec. 28, and indicated that he planned to plead not guilty by reason of insanity. However, three psychiatrists who examined Oilar determined that he was sane at the time of the murders and, at a court hearing on Feb. 3, 1955, Oilar pleaded guilty to all four murder charges.
On Feb. 14, 1955, Judge Kenneth C. Newell sentenced Oilar to death in the gas chamber at the state prison at San Quentin. "This is one of the worst cases in my experience as a judge," Newell said. "There is no question in my mind that the defendant planned the crime down to the minutest detail."
Oilar was sent to San Quentin on Feb. 19 to await the setting of his execution date. But on March 21, 1955 -- the day which would have been his wife's 40th birthday -- Oilar hanged himself from an air vent in the rear of his cell, using three hand towels he had hidden.
Harold Oilar was also buried at Westminster Memorial Park, next to his wife and children. The home where the slayings took place looks much the same today as it did in 1954.
Less than three years later, in a chilling repeat of the Oilar family holiday slaughter, a prominent Pasadena attorney killed his wife, two children and himself in their home on Tamarac Drive, less than a half-mile from the Oilar home.
On Tuesday, Nov. 26, 1957 -- two days before Thanksgiving -- at about 4:20 a.m., Harvey F. Rawlings bludgeoned his wife, Marjorie Ruth Rawlings, into unconsciousness with a ball-peen hammer. He then went down the hall and shot his son, Raymond, 12, in his bed. The shot apparently woke the Rawlings' eldest son, Robert, 16. As he was getting out of bed, his father came in to his bedroom and shot him. Robert's body was found on the floor next to his bed.
Mrs. Rawlings apparently regained consciousness, and went down the hall to Raymond's bedroom. As she came out of the room, Rawlings shot her twice in the head. Rawlings then went into the bathroom, and shot himself between the eyes.
Like Oilar, Rawlings was beset with financial difficulties. Friends told police that Rawlings had been under tremendous pressure to pay off debts incurred through bad investments, and the family faced the prospects of a bleak Thanksgiving. But the friends also told police that Rawlings' financial situation had been improving in recent months.
And, like the Oilar family, the Rawlings family was described by friends and neighbors as a seemingly happy, normal family.
Bronwyn Rayburn, the family friend who was carried outside by Harold Oilar, moved to Missouri with her family shortly after the slayings. She married a military chaplain, and wrote literature for Bible schools and children's church literature for more than 20 years. She died of cancer on Sept. 29, 1996, at the age of 49 at her home in Florissant, Mo. She's buried at the Jefferson Barracks National Cemetery in St. Louis.
Bronwyn's father, Robert G. Rayburn, died in Missouri on Jan. 5, 1990, at the age of 74.

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ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2012 2:29 AM

:previous: Mayor_Shaw, that is one spooky tale...it gave me goose-bumps.
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Mayor Shaw Sep 28, 2012 3:04 AM

Original Nightmare Before Christmas

ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2012 3:14 AM

I recently found this postcard of the ill-fated Country Club Hotel.

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The Country Club Resort met an untimely demise. For details clink on the following link
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2389

originally posted by GaylordWilshire
http://imageshack.us/a/img824/4200/aademiseccr.jpg

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..there was also murder in the equation.

originally posted by gsjansen
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Find out more about the murder here...
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3855
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ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2012 3:31 AM

A 1938 'noirish' reenactment at a 'fish house'.


"Put your Mitt's down!"

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ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2012 3:45 AM

poster, circa 1949.

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ebay

We're spicing things up here at 'noirish Los Angeles' tonight.....or should I say tonite!?
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rick m Sep 28, 2012 3:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5846762)
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1888, Los Angeles:
Is that a flagpole, or one of Mayor Toberman's extra tall illumination devices? If you miss it, it is at the foot of a pyramid shaped structure.

http://www.oldeyankeemap.com/Rendere...geles-1888.jpghttp://www.oldeyankeemap.com

Once asked the experts at the L.A.City Archives what this wooden pyramidical tower might be and was told it was the fire alarm bell tower for the central city ! Also- OneArchives 60th events begin Saturday Oct 6-- 5 p.m.--- Hope my poster of 1900 circa West Adams (Figueroa to Hoover) is displayed---

Mayor Shaw Sep 28, 2012 6:19 AM

Those Mugs Finally Caught Up With Les
 
Bruneman was shot down at the Roost Cafe on Oct.25,1937. I understand that the Rampart Division Police Station now stands on the site of the old Roost Cafe.

From Ebay:

Gangland warfare flamed in Los Angeles to bring to a bullet riddled death George Les Bruneman, big time gambler, and a chance bystander who sought to trace the killers. Bruneman was shot down in a small bar by two of five gunmen who escaped in a motor car. Frank Guizard, 24, was shot and fatally wounded when he followed the gunmen from the cafe. Alice Ingram, Bruneman's companion was shot twice in the leg in the wild fusillade which brought to a blazing climax rumors of a private gambling war in this area. Photo shows interior of the bar and Bruneman's body after the fatal shooting.......10-25-1937.Note the ghostly mists around the body....creepy.


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BDiH Sep 28, 2012 6:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5846193)
I found this old matchbook recently.

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I liked the old school graphics and old world name so I decided to checked out the address.
Much to my surprise this establishment is still going strong after many years in busines.


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A multitude of Dresden Room reviews (as in 420) can be read here.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-dresden-...nt-los-angeles
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Carl and Sara Ferraro were in the restaurant business for decades. When Carl died in 2005 at 91 years old, 1,000 friends, family and admirers attended his funeral. He was beloved around Hollywood, where he also operated the Westerner (one time site of the It Cafe) and the restaurant at the Lido Apartments on Wilcox. He was famous for his signature drink, the Blood and Sand, which was served at the Dresden since 1954.

Many films, including The Two Jakes and Swingers were filmed at the Dresden.

Rouwere

GaylordWilshire Sep 28, 2012 1:22 PM

e_r--great postcard of the Country Club Hotel-- love that they got "Vine St" in there for all those back east who knew L.A. by "Hollywood and Vine" (Rossmore being the southern continuation of Vine)

As for the Oilar murders--wow.

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Interesting that they're all together at Westminster Memorial Park in Orange County. I might have thought that Mrs. Oilar's sister, who arranged the funerals for the wife and children, wouldn't have wanted her sister's killer buried there, but maybe it was Oilar's own "pre-need" plot.


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GaylordWilshire Sep 28, 2012 1:37 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img198/168/405pic.jpgLAobserved

1929: Wonder where this was taken?

rcarlton Sep 28, 2012 3:01 PM

The Angels Flight photo was so rich in local color, I had to enhance it in Photoshop and take a look at different parts of it.

Here it is straightened and the foreground lightened to bring out faces.
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8318/8...29fbd485_b.jpg

Detail of the entrance.
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Detail of the people.
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(I corrected the white balance.)

Pershing Square straightened, color corrected, dodged.
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unihikid Sep 28, 2012 3:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5847846)

cant say where but i can tell you its on a double track PE route if that helps,you can even see a red car in the distance.however it may be a LArwy route,look at the post shes sitting on....

rcarlton Sep 28, 2012 3:50 PM

Found this photo on E-bay: JUL 12 1951 A six-room house is inched up one of the steepest hills in Los Angeles Wednesday while anxious house movers check their equipment. The grade is 22 1/2 per cent. Two trucks, each anchored to manhole and telephone poles, use winches to pull. Credit: AP Wirephoto.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8462/8...2891d0a6_b.jpg Ebay

rcarlton Sep 28, 2012 4:07 PM

E-Bay: Los Angeles PCC Trolley scene (6/1961).

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8037/8...031cc4a1_b.jpgE-bay

BifRayRock Sep 28, 2012 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5847976)
Found this photo on E-bay: JUL 12 1951 A six-room house is inched up one of the steepest hills in Los Angeles Wednesday while anxious house movers check their equipment. The grade is 22 1/2 per cent. Two trucks, each anchored to manhole and telephone poles, use winches to pull. Credit: AP Wirephoto.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8462/8...2891d0a6_b.jpg Ebay




The "dip" in the road reminds me of Mt. Lowe. Don't recall any reported "incidents" that might have been understandable given the apparently steep terrain.

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...TE1UQ3Y1C6.jpg
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Many noteworthy Mt. Lowe postings, among them:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=745
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=754
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8028



Something Thaddeus Lowe may have had in mind as a backup?
1931 United Airport (Burbank) Autogyro
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics40/00069727.jpgLAPL

BifRayRock Sep 28, 2012 6:51 PM

Anyone able to get reservations at United Airport's Sky Room? Looks like a swank place! Dress code strictly enforced? No unpressed parachutes!

1931
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...KBRA117SEF.jpg

1931 "State of the Art" United Airport
Particularly fond of the last picture. This offered passengers with their own tools the opportunity to gain hands-on experience. ;)

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...G7RMTYKS3F.jpg
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...AYLINRK4RA.jpg
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More here: http://66.45.240.18/showpost.php?p=5...postcount=8902
http://wesclark.com/burbank/old_unio...l_postcard.jpg

ethereal_reality Sep 28, 2012 8:35 PM

:previous: What a beautiful little airport! I would have loved to have dined at the Sky Room.


below: Burbank Airport today. This is the same building, right?
So why did they feel the need to cover up all the exquisite architectural details?

http://imageshack.us/a/img196/5773/aaburbankairport.jpg
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..and this is how it appeared in an episode of perry mason.

http://imageshack.us/a/img685/4665/a...perrymason.jpg
http://www.perrymasontvseries.com/wi...as/TheAirports
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