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CaliNative

Jun 23, 2020 4:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8959150)

Perry Mason (2020) premise: In 1932, the Great Depression grips the United States but Los Angeles is prospering thanks to an oil boom, the film industry, the summer's Olympic Games, and a massive evangelical Christian revival. Down-and-out private investigator Perry Mason is retained for a sensational child kidnapping trial and his investigation portends major consequences for Mason, his client, and the city itself.

From what I've read about this Perry Mason, the info on this series says it is meant "to be more like the early novels of Erle Stanley Gardner, that were written when this show takes place, the 1930's, and where Perry Mason is more hands-on as an investigator, before he became a lawyer."

So, not your father's Perry Mason, as the saying goes...

In the following responses there's a lot of information from an article in the NYT that I decided to include because people often have to have a subscription to read articles online from there, or you only get a few free articles a month and for some that could be over by now this month. But here's the link to that article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/18/a...n-history.html

Well, they keep remaking superhero movies with Batman and Superman and The Joker. And Sherlock Holmes movies are one of the most redone characters and stories ever. Etc.

As for Perry Mason being so well done the first time...

The first time:

--Between 1934 and 1937, Warner Bros. released six Perry Mason movies, the first four of which had Warren William playing the charming, crusading attorney.

In one of those Della Street and Perry Mason got married.

--From 1943 to 1955, five times a week, CBS Radio aired a 15-minute serial version of Perry Mason.

Stanley Erle Gardner wasn't happy with the radio series and when CBS wanted to move the show to television in 1956, Gardner balked. So the producers tweaked the names and locations and turned radio’s “Perry Mason” into TV’s daytime drama “The Edge of Night,” which ran for 28 years.

--Before the character’s nighttime TV debut, the best Perry Mason adaptation was a newspaper comic strip, which ran from 1950 to 1952.

Gardner was the credited writer.

--The Raymond Burr Perry Mason was more to Gardner's liking, a properly formulaic version, comforting in its familiar arcs.

The unsung hero of this Perry Mason is its producer Gail Patrick, who in the mid-1950's was a retired actress married to Gardner’s literary agent, Thomas Cornwell Jackson. She won over Gardner, who was so impressed with her that he put her in charge of a series truer to his ideals.

But wait--THERE WAS MORE?

--In 1973, CBS debuted “The New Perry Mason” with a fresh cast, but the show’s overall squareness didn’t fit with the era, and it was canceled.

It stared Monte Markham, Sharon Acker, Albert Stratton and Dane Clark and many well-known TV actors in guest roles.

And...

--In 1985, Burr returned to the role (while Barbara Hale reprised her role as Della Street) for a popular string of NBC movies.

But these stories and the style were more like "Matlock" than his earlier Perry Mason series.

--Now here’s HBO’s “Perry Mason,” decidedly different from what’s come before — like a cross between Gardener’s pre-Perry pulp mysteries and the seedy Los Angeles noirs “Chinatown” and “L.A. Confidential.” Would the author have approved? Probably not — if only because this new show has a long, winding narrative, not a punchy one. But the new “Perry Mason” does have a Della Street (Juliet Rylance) and a Paul Drake (Chris Chalk). And this Perry is still pushing against the powerful, using every resource he has to make sure the system works for those who need it most.

I agree that it's maybe hard to overcome people who are familiar with a 9 year Perry Mason series that was also in syndication after that for years and then became available on DVD and then streaming markets.

But, as with anything that is rebooted, none of us have to watch it if we don't want to. I'm more interested in the time period and location it's set in than the fact it's Perry Mason, which is why I'm going to watch it.

P.S.: The only COLOR episode of the Raymond Burr Perry Mason series starts out with Perry and Della riding Angels Flight and Angels Flight is where this new Perry Mason series starts as well.

Has anyone watched PENNY DREADFUL-CITY OF ANGELS, which takes place in 1930's Los Angeles? I'm wondering about giving that one a go.

^^^
I tuned out when they had a naked fat man running in the street and a dead baby wrapped in a blanket on Angel's Flight.

As far as L.A. being fairly prosperous in the depression, my grandad and mom can say not true. It may have been less grim than northern cities (could always hang out on the beach) but it was pretty grim. The Olympics had little imapct on unemployment, and oil prices were very low so a lot of wells were shut in. The film industry continued, but many films didn't do very well. Peg Entwhistle can tell you about the futility of breaking into films. I may give Perry a second chance. L.A. in the 1930s is a draw.

The 1950s/60s Perry Mason with Burr never did it for me. The way he always had the zinger at the end that solved the case and got a confession was so unbelievable. Burr as reporter "Steve Martin (!)" in Godzilla, now we're talking. Or the scary killer in "Rear Window". "Ironsides", sometimes.

Lwize

Jun 23, 2020 4:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8959747)

^^^
I tuned out when they had a naked fat man running in the street and a dead baby wrapped in a blanket on Angel's Flight.

It is HBO... ;)

BDiH	Jun 23, 2020 6:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8959150)

Has anyone watched PENNY DREADFUL-CITY OF ANGELS, which takes place in 1930's Los Angeles? I'm wondering about giving that one a go.

Thanks for the background on Perry Mason. My complaint about the new series is that it's difficult to care about Perry Mason - so far. He is just an unappealing, sleazy guy. The old L.A. backdrop is fun, but that's not enough.

Penny Dreadful is better and has been getting better each week.

No show gets a ten this season. Sorry.

ethereal_reality

Jun 23, 2020 7:15 AM

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We have seen this amazing photograph on NLA but it is so phenomenal I thought it wouldn't hurt to see it again.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/gx8Omu.jpg
eBay

Los Angeles, 2nd Street from the hill...........

January 1887..........

For sale. Link

nadeau

Jun 23, 2020 7:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8958575)

Hoss, I believe that is the same house. Thanks :)

I'm pretty sure the other house in the ebay photo is still standing as well.

This one.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/pQXyBN.jpg
ebay

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/8hpq4r.jpg
GSV 508 Belmont Ave.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/UyCn4w.jpg
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It can’t be the same house. Totally different pitch and the upstairs windows too. Who know, maybe all the best features are more recent.

nadeau

Jun 23, 2020 8:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8959802)

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We have seen this amazing photograph on NLA but it is so phenomenal I thought it wouldn't hurt to see it again.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/gx8Omu.jpg
eBay

Los Angeles, 2nd Street from the hill...........

January 1887..........

For sale. Link

I wish you would repeat phenomenal photos more often. I may have missed a couple of years due to the broken pic links.

MartinTurnbull

Jun 23, 2020 2:40 PM

Filming Locations - "Love My Dog" (1927) - Our Gang (The Little Rascals)

I just came across this silent "Our Gang" short which has been edited to specifically point out various locations used during filming. I haven't seen anything quite like it before and think it'll appeal to the guys and gals who linger around these here parts.

• Video Link

KevinW

Jun 23, 2020 5:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 8957934)

Looks like Morphosis drew from the Frank Ghery school of design! ;)

Here's a little video:

• Video Link

Don't mention Frank Gehry unless you want to unleash the hounds.

AlvaroLegido

Jun 23, 2020 5:59 PM

David Goodis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8959161)

I'm currently reading a noir novel by David Goodis, whose mostly forgotten now, and I wonder if he'd be better remembered, like Cain, if the movies made from his novels were better, though one of them, Dark Passage, is a personal favorite of mine.

Except "Dark Passage" which takes place in San Francisco, David Goodis is Philadelphia like Raymond Chandler is Los Angeles. David Goodis is very popular in France. French directors made movies from his novels.

ethereal_reality

Jun 24, 2020 2:36 AM

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A mystery location.

"Vtg 1964 Golden Chicken Resturant Take Out Los Angeles Hills"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/UrvD4K.jpg
eBay

I hope we will eventually find more information on that partially hidden mansion up on the hill.

If you look closely there appears to be a Mobilgas Gas Station across the street. (behind the photographer)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/rhgWsW.jpg
detail

I believe the chicken logo in the window is advertising Broasted Chicken....I love Broasted Chicken!...:yes:

Link
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ethereal_reality

Jun 24, 2020 3:10 AM

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mystery location #2

Here is a rather egnimatic rppc postcard.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/8RPmNs.jpg
eBay

Hawaiian Gardens, Artesia California.

Equally egnimatic is what's typed on the back.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Tp4hNm.jpg

Carl Schurz was the 13th Secretary of the Interior.

Not to be confused with Nick Oreb's Hawaiian Gardens in San Pedro.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/F0LJo3.jpg

This place deserves a post of it's own.

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Flyingwedge

Jun 24, 2020 3:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8960853)

The April 1964 Street Address Directory lists Golden Chicken at 2651 Lombardy Blvd. The building is gone, but the low retaining wall we see
in your photo behind the women is still there.

About the house on the hill . . . I don't know anything about it, but I noticed that now-empty area recently and wondered what once occupied
the top of the hill (I couldn't find anything in the Sanborn Maps). So thanks for posting that photo, which at least shows a little of what was there!

Flyingwedge

Jun 24, 2020 4:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8959802)

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We have seen this amazing photograph on NLA but it is so phenomenal I thought it wouldn't hurt to see it again.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/gx8Omu.jpg
eBay

Los Angeles, 2nd Street from the hill...........

January 1887..........

For sale. Link

Yes, that is a wonderful photo. It's also image 2003-0484 at the CA State Library, where you can download a huge TIF file of it.

The CA State Library dates the photo c. 1886, but the First Presbyterian Church (tall steeple, right of center) had horn-blowing
angel Gabriel removed from atop its steeple on January 26, 1887, and he does not appear to be in place here, so this photo's
handwritten date seems pretty accurate. I don't think the photo could have been taken more than a few months later at most.

HenryHuntington

Jun 24, 2020 5:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8960884)

About the house on the hill . . . I don't know anything about it, but I noticed that now-empty area recently and wondered what once occupied
the top of the hill (I couldn't find anything in the Sanborn Maps). So thanks for posting that photo, which at least shows a little of what was there!

______________________

Probably not much help, but I checked the sattelite view, which showed not only the foundation of the house on the hill but also the remains of a driveway leading to the opposite side. Carefully landing the Googlecopter by the gate, the street address was given as 2520 N. Eastern Ave.

The May 1956 Street Address Directory lists the occupant as one O.J. Allen, who could be reached at CApitol 2-5628. In July 1965, Lucille Klupper was at 221-9081. Ditto April, 1967, but I couldn't find a listing for 1968 or after.

Lorendoc

Jun 24, 2020 5:30 AM

Alta Pines

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8960884)

The large house at the top of the hill was called the Alta Pines and it was at 2608 N. Eastern Avenue. It was a residence and a tea room operated by Mrs. Louise Threlkeld.

https://i.imgur.com/KOWJ2ta.jpg
1932 CD via lapl.org

https://i.imgur.com/qwoL98S.jpg
LAT 9-11-29 via newspapers.com

Here is an aerial view:

https://i.imgur.com/WSNhkHE.jpg
Google Earth Pro

There are many building permits for 2608 N. Eastern Ave, but I couldn't find the original or the demo dates. The mixed commercial and residential nature of the parcel is not mentioned in the permits.

https://i.imgur.com/kKiKl72.jpg
ladbs

Mrs. Threlkeld presided over many social events, she is mentioned many times in the newspapers.

Here is an aerial from 1952 with the 3 acre property outlined in red. The assessor describes it as vacant and gives it a value of $2,040,000 in 2017. Its hard to say if this aerial shows a building or not.

https://i.imgur.com/EYUoFgb.jpg
UCSB

odinthor

Jun 24, 2020 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8960875)

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mystery location #2

Here is a rather egnimatic rppc postcard.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/8RPmNs.jpg
eBay

Hawaiian Gardens, Artesia California.
[...]

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^^^ e_r, this would seem to be the structure at the site which is responsible for the name of the city of Hawaiian Gardens:

"The name is said to be derived from a bamboo shack refreshment stand opened at the corner of Carson and Norwalk boulevards in 1927 by an unknown businessman. The stand was said to resemble a Hawaiian garden." (quote from http://www.laalmanac.com/cities/ci31.php )

Noir_Noir

Jun 24, 2020 2:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 8960980)

Here is an aerial from 1952 with the 3 acre property outlined in red. The assessor describes it as vacant and gives it a value of $2,040,000 in 2017. Its hard to say if this aerial shows a building or not.

https://i.imgur.com/EYUoFgb.jpg
UCSB

Built in 1923 and demolished in 2008.

Shows up a little better in this 1976 aerial.

https://i.imgur.com/6btcwTw.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

A triplex on the 2008 demolition permit.

https://i.imgur.com/49sZCje.jpg
ladbsdoc.lacity.org

bboyelsereno

Jun 24, 2020 3:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8961126)

There was also a horse stable up there but it burned down. The house was a single family when built then a fraternity house then a triplex. Now there are plans to build 40 houses on that hill. We've been fighting it for years.
I have a picture of the house right before it was demolished, unfortunately I can't figure out how to post from Flickr onto this thread... I tried. Is there an easy by-the-number tutorial on how to do this. Plus, I've always wondered what was on the corner of Lombardy and Eastern... Great pic.

ethereal_reality

Jun 24, 2020 4:42 PM

:previous:

We'd love to see the pic. bboyelsereno.

Hoss is good at explaining how to post or you could give a link to the photo and I could post it for you.

When I found the Golden Chicken photograph I had no idea the house atop the hill was an old tea room called the Alta Pines. That's a great discovery Lorendoc!

Thanks everyone for the amazing follow-ups!

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AlvaroLegido

Jun 24, 2020 6:03 PM

Any developers ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8959802)

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We have seen this amazing photograph on NLA but it is so phenomenal I thought it wouldn't hurt to see it again.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/gx8Omu.jpg
eBay

Los Angeles, 2nd Street from the hill...........

January 1887..........

The raised ground on the right lasted 20 years more than the Richfield ! The ground was still there 60 years later as a run-down parking. We see it in "A drive through Bunker Hill and Downtown Los Angeles" at 2:12 of the footage.

BillinGlendaleCA

Jun 24, 2020 6:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bboyelsereno (Post 8961247)

Posting from Flickr is easy...click on the share button(arrow icon pointed to the right), at the far right of the dialog that comes up you will see BB-Code. Click on that and you'll see a link and below that a drop down list box for size. Select the size you want and then copy the link, paste the link here.

odinthor

Jun 24, 2020 7:48 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/vmVCJ42W/2ndEHill.jpg
Detail from recently-posted photo

Imagine observing this during a very lengthy, intense rainstorm, water cascading down 2nd, the cross streets getting flooded lower down.

:titanic:

I'd put a chair on the porch at left and watch the fun!

Beaudry

Jun 24, 2020 8:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8960853)

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A mystery location.

"Vtg 1964 Golden Chicken Resturant Take Out Los Angeles Hills"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/UrvD4K.jpg
eBay

So apparently 2651 Lombardy Blvd was built as a real estate place in 1949. It became carry-out chicken in 1964, demolished for whatever reason in 1971.

My buddy fellow Noirisher rick_m passed this along to me—the Golden Chicken lives on in a backyard in Toluca Lake near Riverside Drive!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d73b32c8_b.jpg

(Although strictly speaking that's a rooster, not a chicken.) Also, it could be a specimen from a Donahoo's, which used to blanket the southland—

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/03/8e...600c62b0e7.jpg donahoos

odinthor

Jun 25, 2020 12:54 AM

Has NLA visited the Italian Village restaurant, at variously 423 or 425 W. 8th St., on the ground floor of the Hotel Bristol? I don't think so.

It seems to have been there from approximately 1924 to 1942.

https://i.postimg.cc/rsmRfRqk/Italian001.jpg
odinthor collection

There was a bump in the road in its first year (or nearly):

https://i.postimg.cc/TwSTXKrG/Italian-LAT-6-16-25.jpg
LA Times, 6/16/1925

Strange are the ways of human beings! My mention of this unquestionable truth arises from Mr. Jambon's attitude towards his wife some twenty-five years earlier:

https://i.postimg.cc/zG9M5TQx/Italian-LAT-8-20-00.jpg
LA Times, 8/20/1900

And indeed it was the same wife. Divorce had been considered around the time of the garden hose incident, but they seem to have patched things up. In time, Mrs. Jambon had become a respected piano instructor.

bboyelsereno

Jun 25, 2020 3:33 PM

https://www.flickr.com/photos/112781.../shares/92aR5E

Not sure I did it correctly. :hell: The house is in the upper left hand corner. Sorry for the crappy quality of the photo. If I knew the house was going to be demolished a week after I took this I would have put more thought into it.

bboyelsereno

Jun 25, 2020 4:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bboyelsereno (Post 8962530)

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...527d1fe64c.jpg 037 by bclajr, on Flickr

Figured it out... Finally

ethereal_reality

Jun 25, 2020 7:33 PM

:previous: You did it!

I hope you don't mind if I enlarge your photograph.

The former Alta Pines Tea Room a week before its demise.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/T0MBLs.jpg

Thanks so much for sharing your photograph with us, bboyelsereno.

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ethereal_reality

Jun 25, 2020 8:27 PM

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Here's a more down to earth tea room. (annnd a mystery location)

"Front window and entrance to the New England Tea Room, Los Angeles."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/cqTFau.jpg
lapl

"A woman and man are seated at the window table, peering outside. The building address is 4619, but no street name is visible." ....< - - - That's the mystery.

Is there such a thing as a kosher tea room? I think that might be a Star of David between the words tea and room.

Let's take a closer look at the two patrons in the window.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/MCVGBe.jpg
detail

oops. . ..... What I thought was a 'Star of David' is actually a mutant lily!

It's saying "Feed me, Seymore."

Noir_Noir

Jun 26, 2020 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8962933)

I went looking for a tea room at a 4619 address. Could not find a New England Tea Room listing to suit. But I did find this,

https://i.imgur.com/4ovqwJb.jpg
courtlistener.com

Way back in the 1920's and the present day 4619 Melrose did not fit the bill. :(

But just two doors away I found this - 4623 Melrose Ave.

https://i.imgur.com/nDiliMS.jpg
GSV

Could this be it with a bit chopped off ... and somethings moved ... oh and a street number change as well. :D :shrug:

ethereal_reality

Jun 26, 2020 12:54 AM

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I was about to say "definitely the same building" but something wonky is going on with the roof.

The two side angles of the roof are uneven in the old LAPL photo but they are the same equal in the present day photo and yet the width of the building appears unchanged.....How'd they do dat? :shrug:

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Lwize

Jun 26, 2020 2:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8963268)

I posit 4619 W Melrose Ave is the proper address and is still there.

The current facade was apparently remodeled with two bay windows.

Covered by the large rectangular sign appears to be the roof we're looking for. And the yellow arrow points to the detent in the next door roof (missing from the GSV impage of 4625).

https://larry.wizegallery.com/VWV/4619%20melrose.jpg

(GSV, hosted by me)

KevinW

Jun 26, 2020 2:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8963268)

I wish I knew how to post screenshots but if you look at the building on Google Earth, 4619 is still there and is still the same building. You can tell from the shape of the roof to the right of the building and the roof line matches up. They've just plastered a giant rectangular storefront over the old girl.

Mstimc

Jun 26, 2020 8:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8962933)

These houses-cum-cafes remind me of a place from my childhood in Anaheim, Werner House on Lincoln Bl. a near downtown. It was a converted Craftsman-style house that served a different dish every night, but only that dish (e.g. Tuesday was chicken and dumplings, Wednesday was steak, etc.). It was a real treat to go there as a kid. I believe it was demolished in the 1970's during Anaheim's ill-advised downtown redevelopment project. I'dve searched for images but have never been able to find one.

GaylordWilshire

Jun 26, 2020 1:44 PM

:previous:

John R. Avery was a Hollywood builder who developed the nec of Melrose & Ardmore in 1921...he was issued a number of permits for 4617-21-23-25 Melrose (and various -½s of them) on April 18 of that year for small stores and attendent dwellings--for example, 4619 was originally a store building, with 4619½ a dwelling. Various later permits allow for the alterations of the stores, which included hardware and liquor stores. In 1927 an alteration permit was issued referring to 4619 as a tea room...and in 1937 one was issued for the remodeling of its façade:

https://i.postimg.cc/tTqCc5gZ/4619tearoomref-bmp.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/vBZbhZP5/4619-1937-bmp.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8963242)

I went looking for a tea room at a 4619 address. Could not find a New England Tea Room listing to suit. But I did find this.... 4623 Melrose Ave.

https://i.imgur.com/nDiliMS.jpg
GSV

Could this be it with a bit chopped off ... and somethings moved ... oh and a street number change as well. :D :shrug:

4623 was a hardware store--likely built this way, similar to but not quite the same as 4619--and not chopped off.

ethereal_reality

Jun 26, 2020 9:41 PM

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Haunted House Discotheque, 1963 slide.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/cgooWI.jpg
found on eBay about a month ago.

Ok, I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that I didn't realize the Haunted House was located in the old Sardi's location. ..(I thought SARDI'S was on the opposite side of the street)

Note the Rector's Admiral Theater between the couple.

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HossC

Jun 26, 2020 9:55 PM

:previous:

Sonny and Cher go to "The Haunted House" nightclub:

• Video Link

ethereal_reality

Jun 26, 2020 11:46 PM

:previous: That's a fun video, Hoss. I didn't realize there was an actual 'haunted house' you had to walk through to get to the dance floor.
I also noticed a sign advertising lunch and dinner on the front door. I didn't know the place searched food either.

ethereal_reality

Jun 27, 2020 1:28 AM

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I was surprised when I happened upon this photograph today.

"VINTAGE PHOTO BRITISH AIRWAYS CONCORDE ARRIVING AT LOS ANGELES AIRPORT 1970s" .....(it looks like it's taking off but I think that's how it landed)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/xliPIN.jpg
eBay

I was under the impression the Concorde only flew in to (and out of) JFK before it was banned.

I obviously need to brush up on my aviation history.

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FredH

Jun 27, 2020 5:45 AM

Given all the Kirk Douglas / 15 yr old Natalie Wood stories, does anyone else find this a little creepy?

https://i.postimg.cc/FsN66v61/Capture.png
YouTube

CaliNative

Jun 27, 2020 7:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8964405)

I think for a short while Brit. Airlines flew a weekly Concorde flight over the Pacific to Sydney and maybe Hong Kong from LAX and maybe SFX. The flights were expensive and didn't sell enough tickets so they were ended. The Concorde never got permission to fly over the land between LA & NY for example, so they only flew over the ocean so the sonic booms would only disturb the fish.

CaliNative

Jun 27, 2020 7:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 8964544)

Given all the Kirk Douglas / 15 yr old Natalie Wood stories, does anyone else find this a little creepy?

https://i.postimg.cc/FsN66v61/Capture.png
YouTube

Kirk was a good guy--broke the black list with Spartacus. Good Douglas film called "Lonely Are the Brave" that I try to watch whenver it is shown. Of all the films he made, Kirk liked that best. Kirk wanted to play the Nicholson roll of McMurphy in Cuckoo's Nest (he was in the stage play) but his son who owned the rights thought he was too old so Nic got it. Hard feelings between dad & son for awhile. But Nicholson WAS McMurphy.

HossC

Jun 27, 2020 7:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8964405)

I was surprised when I happened upon this photograph today.

"VINTAGE PHOTO BRITISH AIRWAYS CONCORDE ARRIVING AT LOS ANGELES AIRPORT 1970s" .....(it looks like it's taking off but I think that's how it landed)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/xliPIN.jpg
eBay

I was under the impression the Concorde only flew in to (and out of) JFK before it was banned.

I obviously need to brush up on my aviation history.

According to an article at dailybreeze.com:

On an overcast day in 1974, the Concorde 2 supersonic transport (SST) airplane flew into LAX, the first time the SST had visited Southern California.

Traveling at a top speed nearing 1,400 mph, the plane left Anchorage, Alaska at 1:16 p.m. on Oct. 23, 1974, slightly later than planned. Thousands of spectators lining viewing areas at LAX and watching from nearby buildings and hillsides had to wait a few extra minutes for the 3:49 p.m. landing.

The event was part of a promotional United States tour on behalf of the Concorde, the product of a collaboration begun in the 1950s between the French and British companies Aerospatiale and the British Aircraft Corporation to produce a supersonic jetliner for longer routes.

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After its landing, the aircraft was put on public display the next day at the B-4 hangar at LAX near Sepulveda Boulevard and Imperial Highway. The five-hour display created massive traffic jams at the airport. Concorde officials estimated that 100,000 people from throughout Southern California viewed the plane.

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But, despite years of battling, the Concorde never would be approved to operate out of LAX. Its noise levels, especially on takeoff, were deemed too loud to meet the airport’s noise standards and the airport beat back several attempts to allow SST aircraft to use its facilities.

ethereal_reality

Jun 27, 2020 4:07 PM

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Thanks for the information on the SST CaliNative and Hoss. I always appreciate it.

To be honest I was never as enamored with the SST as I was with the Boeing 747. (I was born in 1960 so all these innovations occurred when I was a kid)

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pinterest (sucks). I never found the original source

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re: Growing up in the 1960s.

I wanted to be an astronaut but that didn't work out.

I should have aimed a little lower. lol

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HossC

Jun 27, 2020 4:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8964681)

To be honest I was never as enamored with the SST as I was with the Boeing 747. (I was born in 1960 so all these innovations occurred when I was a kid)

I never flew on the Concorde, but I've been aboard one at a museum. They were definitely build for speed and not interior space - there were just two seats either side of a narrow center aisle. I seem to remember that the windows were really small too.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8964681)

re: Growing up in the 1960s.

I wanted to be an astronaut but that didn't work out.

Reminds me of a joke I saw recently:

I always wanted to be an astronaut just like my Dad.

He always wanted to be an astronaut too...

Martin Pal

Jun 27, 2020 7:01 PM

^^^

What museum, Hoss? I, too, was aboard one of those in a museum, outside London I think. I agree with your assessment of it. Somehow I had gotten the notion it was high-end and luxurious, but it felt like being in a test tube. It also seemed to me the exterior was rather thin.

I had a British friend who did fly on one once. He kept some souvenir from the trip, but I don't recall if it was something like a swizzle stick or what it was, but it said Concorde on it.
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Astronaut: On a game show recently I discovered that this word comes from Greek words meaning "star sailor." I think we should use those words!

Martin Pal

Jun 27, 2020 7:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FredH (Post 8964544)

Given all the Kirk Douglas / 15 yr old Natalie Wood stories, does anyone else find this a little creepy?

I find it creeper that she was with George Jessell. Talk about a haunted house.

HossC

Jun 27, 2020 7:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8964770)

What museum, Hoss? I, too, was aboard one of those in a museum, outside London I think.

It was Brooklands Museum in Surrey (just outside London), so probably the same one. It's also the site of the world's first purpose-built 'banked' motor racing circuit, some of which still exists.

I was also in London on October 24, 2003 when the last three Concordes circled overhead before landing in sequence at Heathrow. It was quite a sight. Even up until the end, people used to look up whenever a Concorde was passing overhead.

Lwize

Jun 27, 2020 9:05 PM

Although I've flown on all variety of 747's over the years, and A380's as well, I still maintain they're too big to fly.

It's one of life's mysteries that I'm forced to accept.

(Is it witchcraft? Is it magic? Lift, thrust, light weight materials - I guess I'll never know...)

:shrug:

GaylordWilshire

Jun 28, 2020 11:56 AM

Random ad in the 1898 CD:

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LAPL

Martin Pal

Jun 28, 2020 8:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8964791)

It was Brooklands Museum in Surrey (just outside London), so probably the same one.

What a coinkydink! Now if it was the same day...!

Whenever I hear "Concorde" I always first think of grape juice. And, yes, I know there's no "e" on the grape juice.

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