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dannywa01 Jul 19, 2015 4:26 AM
Thanks so much for the help! And I'm glad there are others who love to look at LA's past as much as I do. This thread is amazing!

unihikid Jul 19, 2015 4:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dannywa01 (Post 7100372)
Thanks so much for the help! And I'm glad there are others who love to look at LA's past as much as I do. This thread is amazing!
Welcome Danny! I grew up a few miles west of you..Pico and Fairfax, but had friends right off of Windsor (near Capitol Burger)..either way I wouldn't be surprised if that was a BOA. Also the church you speak about is the Forum Theater ..Lots of good gems in your area,such as Victoria Circle, Catch One,Country Club Park and of course I still love the old Bekin's Building right at Crenshaw and Pico.

dannywa01 Jul 19, 2015 5:19 AM
There are so many amazing gems on that corner alone, and I'm sure there's much history. I actually found this forum researching the history behind the former Warner Brothers Forum Theatre. I can't even begin to ask all the question I may have about the area on Norton between Pico and Country Club alone as that's where I grew up! Is there a place in this forum for all my questions? Haha. I've actually been to the Capitol burgers, but as a little kid when I frequented Queen Anne park. My mother once told me that the Jay's market in that area of Pico and Norton was once burned down during the LA riots of 92. So much history!

tovangar2 Jul 19, 2015 7:01 AM
Hi Danny, that's a great block of S Norton between County Club and Pico.

The city gives 4019 as the official address of your corner building (the other addresses, 4013-4027, are probably for individual shops). The permit for new construction is dated 10 Feb 1927. No. 4019 was purpose built for "stores and offices" (later permits refer to the building's use as "Public Assembly"). The New York Finance Company is listed as owner. Albert C. Martin, Sr was the architect (Martin's wiki page is here if you're interested). A.C. Martin's offices were in the Higgins building at W 2nd Street and Main, DTLA, in 1927. The firm he founded is still in business.

The former sign on the back of the building is in the typeface which Bank of America used years ago. Bank of America was listed as owner in 1949 when they got a permit to add their signage to the front of the building. Before that, in 1941, there was a Farmers and Merchants Bank branch at this address

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...04443%2BPM.jpg
via dannywa01

The building permit for 4019 W Pico:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A...04758%2BPM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h...04829%2BPM.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y...04851%2BPM.jpg
http://ladbsdoc.lacity.org/idispublic/

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-O...22451%2BAM.jpg
gsv


Someone was shot and killed at No. 4019, during a party in 2000 (that can happen anywhere).


Here's a 1921 Baist real estate map of your block in 1921. There were more empty lots than built ones!
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8...15417%2BPM.jpg
baist map 1921, plate 37 / historic mapworks

The mixed-use building on the other side of S Norton looks interesting too. It went in in 1925 and houses "Jewel's Room" and "Jewel's Catch One":
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-P...00201%2BAM.jpg
gsv


The Vintage Los Angeles Mid-City fb page is here

LA.curbed's Mid-City archive is here

An aerial of the Forum Theater, 1924, with (almost) empty lots across the street:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-t...10315%2BPM.jpg
lapl (detail) via LA movie palaces

CityBoyDoug Jul 19, 2015 3:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dannywa01 (Post 7100372)
Thanks so much for the help! And I'm glad there are others who love to look at LA's past as much as I do. This thread is amazing!
Looking East on Pico.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psnddvnm91.jpg
GSV

ethereal_reality Jul 19, 2015 7:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JScott (Post 7099868)
I posted this link beneath both photographs.

ethereal_reality Jul 19, 2015 8:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7100082)
I know Dragon's Den isn't new to NLA, but this picture comes with a review - "Never indigestion". The photographer also seems to like the name "Fook Wo Lung Curio Co.".

The seller has this picture dated as 1924 (or "1924-1927?" further down the listing), but the 1940 Federal Building is visible in the background.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...905/ENtaw2.jpg
eBay

:previous: This is a fun find Hoss!
...and thanks for pointing out the discrepancy with the date.


Just for fun; Here's Yvonne DeCarlo (again) walking toward the Dragon's Den from Union Station.

film noir: Criss-Cross (1949)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...901/1pIWKw.jpg
Beaudry screen-grab.


View Beaudry initial post on 'Criss Cross' here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1358

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tovangar2 Jul 19, 2015 8:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7100699)
I posted this link beneath both photographs.
That's my fault e_r, I didn't notice the credit/link at first. JScott was just gently pointing it out to me, b/c sometimes I get lost in the visuals. Anyway, great photos. Thank you.

ethereal_reality Jul 19, 2015 8:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7100036)
Look at this e_r, a snapshot of the coffin-shaped Hotel Figueroa pool after the "Y" building was demolished,
but before the pool area was glammed-up:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W...14036%2BPM.jpg
This is excellent t2! As you know, I love candid (amateur) snapshots like this.
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Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 8:27 PM
E_R, and other NLA forum members...I hope you don't mind...

For the past three weeks or more, E_R has been posting a series of fantastic color
kodachrome images from the 1940's and I just wanted to see them all together. Like
a tour. If it's just for me, I apologize, but I hope others might find it worthwhile, too.
Martin P.
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I included the post link for those who might want to reference the original
with more info and/or replies to it. The photos without the watermark on
them were done courtesy of HossC. Thanks for your indulgence.

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 8:29 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/ESrFQ1.jpg#29330

The glory days of 'The Lido' at the Ambassador Hotel/Ambassador Lido Club, "Feminine Conditioning"
A small sign for "Gentlemen's Dressing Rooms' is visible at far right.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...910/TX1WrU.jpg#29380

I just came across this slide showing an unknown movie set. The seller dates it as 1940s.
[It was decided it might be the Paramount [or Warner?) Movie Ranch]


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/A19Q0d.jpg#29381

China City, early 1940's.

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 8:31 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/apivdb.jpg#29391

Neon along Wilshire Boulevard, 1940's, Los Angeles.
(Examiner/Richfield)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/NPUDBM.jpg#29393

Here's a wonderful view along Wilshire Boulevard. Mid-distance is the Chapman Park Hotel grounds and the Zephyr Room.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/GmRujt.jpg#29399

We all know this place.
The Pan-Pacific Auditorium, Los Angeles 1940's.
Car Show? Ice Capades?

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 8:32 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/OaM2YH.jpg#29400

In living color!!!!!
We've seen the Hawaii Theater a few times on NLA...it's the one near Florentine Gardens.
(Hawaii Theater 5941 Hollywood Boulevard.)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/78LmqP.jpg#29402

McDonnell's Drive-In Los Angeles.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/JpsJNq.jpg#29403

Los Angeles LAMTA Pacific Electric Interurban #1706; L.A. River Bridge.
(No mention of the "snow.")

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 8:33 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/Mhd3lk.jpg#29415

Downtown in the 1940's.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/633/2MGUQ2.jpg#29416

This is New Chinatown. The Forbidden Palace was located at 451 Gin Ling Way.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/540/6uP5Ct.jpg#29450

The Sontag Drug Store on the northeast corner of Hollywood Blvd. and Cherokee Avenue, 1940s.

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 8:35 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/908/J77gbE.jpg#29453

Hollywood Boulevard in the 1940's. Note U.S.O. Club banner, "One Door South."


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...537/YKKnpP.jpg#29484

Downtown, 7th Street, Los Angeles, 1940's.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/mkUP87.jpg#27164

Banners on 7th Street, Los Angeles
(This one is probably a decade older, but it's the same view, so I included it.)

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 8:36 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/6QTOeM.jpg#29485

Looking north from the corner of Broadway and 8th.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/901/lQU0rJ.jpg#29529

NEON HEAVEN (Helms Olympic Bread)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/905/YsAEfg.jpg#29529

NEON HEAVEN Montage: Pig 'n Whistle, The Melody Lane, The Owl Drug Co., Drink Coca-Cola, The Rexall Drug Store.

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 8:37 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/912/07ootr.jpg#29529

NEON HEAVEN Montage includes The White Spot, Silverwoods, Hart Shaffner & Marx, The $2.50 Shoe Store, Katie John, A&P Food Palace, Sontag.


http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...hot%20rods.jpg#29537

This scene is so idylic and seems so far removed from wartime.
Hollywood High jalopies. I can't tell what the lead car is- some Plymouth or Dodge. The other one is a 1930 Ford (Model A) standard roadster. No top? no problem (it never rains in LA). I wonder if the two fellows dashing up the stairs are the drivers, and if they went on to fly bombers.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...538/tRSPoV.jpg#29541

1940's Westwood I believe. (Chandlers Shoe's/French Room, J.C. Penney)

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 8:38 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/DkDon3.jpg#29546

Another idyllic scene from the 1940's. Westlake Park. (MacArthur Park after the war.)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/AwsbRk.jpg#29586

NANCY'S again!
Here's another great slide from the 1940s looking toward Hollywood and Vine.
This is probably the best view of Nancy's that I 've seen (as well as a nifty
view of Thrifty's). There's a Chandlers in the photo too! I just noticed the
Lutheran Service Center sign at far right, for servicemen.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/901/DG09Za.jpg#29619

I believe this is the first color image of the French Village on NLA.
The traffic's pretty heavy heading into Cahuenga Pass.
(Hollywood Bowl entrance.)

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 8:39 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/I4lOu7.jpg#29621

Whitney Heights? -Note the Hollywood sign still spells out Hollywoodland.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/673/yyrORM.jpg#29651

Kodachrome slide, Stan Kenton playing the Palladium, 1941.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/661/QswI3Q.jpg#29708

Another fine Kodachrome slide from the 1940's.
The Medical Building (?) and a Don Martin School of Radio at 'Crossroads Of The World'.

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 8:40 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/NUbrAL.jpg#29723

North Main Street showing, from left to right, the Pico House...the Merced Theater...the Masonic Building and several other buildings.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/633/nWqTmC.jpg#29758

Slide of the pool area at the Miramar Hotel in Santa Monica, 1940's.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/537/089C1Y.jpg#29760

Slide showing a swimming pool beneath the Colorado Street Bridge in Pasadena, 1940's.
I believe this the swimming pool at the Hotel Vista Del Arroyo.

ethereal_reality Jul 19, 2015 8:45 PM
:previous: They look great all together! Good job Martin_Pal.





1940s matchbook, Los Angeles Calif.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/IhIvRO.jpg
eBay

and lounge.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...905/VUIDmH.jpg
eBay

Host, Michael Madura (I tried to find out more about Mr. Madura...without success)



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...540/0RDpBi.jpg
inside cover

:previous: "Where the Customer is Invariably Wrong."



As I usually do, I checked out the address.

Initially, I was disappointed that there wasn't much to see.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...537/yOEXCL.jpg
gsv


but as I was leaving, I turned the google-mobile north on Norton Avenue and noticed an awning in the back of the building.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...901/VbEMGX.jpg
gsv


I couldn't believe my eyes when I zoomed in!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/9roPp4.jpg
gsv / detail

After all these decades, a venue at 4009 W. Olympic still goes by 'Chatter Box'.

Of course I whipped the google-mobile around to take a second look at the front of the building.
If you look closely, you can make out the word 'Chatter' in this rather unattractive sign facing Olympic Boulevard (below).

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...673/NI1wmK.jpg
detail

Has anyone heard of the 'Chatter Box' before?
_______________








for search purposes:

The Chatterbox Café and Lounge, 4009 W. Olympic Blvd. Host Michael Madura.

CityBoyDoug Jul 19, 2015 9:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7100739)



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/538/mkUP87.jpg#27164

Banners on 7th Street, Los Angeles
(This one is probably a decade older, but it's the same view, so I included it.)
In a final desperate measure to separate the people from the traffic, the City has poured 7 inches of concrete in the Waiting Zone [in the middle of the street].
The newest car I see is a 1954 Buick.

tovangar2 Jul 19, 2015 9:16 PM
Thank you e_r for finding the color slides to begin with and to Martin Pal for pulling them together into a "coffee-table book" we can enjoy 4EVA :-)

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 9:22 PM
And THANK YOU, E_R, for finding and posting all of those gems!

Martin Pal Jul 19, 2015 9:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7100755)
Has anyone heard of the 'Chatter Box' before?
_______________
It seems to me this came up recently in something I was looking at or reading,
but other than that I can't place it yet. Familiar...somehow...to me, though.

ethereal_reality Jul 19, 2015 9:24 PM
Disparate fashion sensibilities, 1920!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...540/BAWGqA.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1920-Vintage...item5677f6d4fc

Annual Bathing Girl Parade, Balboa Beach Cal. June 20, 1920.

So what, pray tell, is a Spalding Maid?
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HossC Jul 19, 2015 10:19 PM
:previous:

More Spalding Maids.

Annual "Bathing Girl Parade," Balboa Island at Newport Beach, California. June 20, 1920. Panoramic photo by Miles Weaver.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...s.jpg~original
www.shorpy.com

ethereal_reality Jul 19, 2015 10:22 PM
Well this is shitty news.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...912/yzZzMx.jpg
story here: http://www.latimes.com/local/westsid...719-story.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5889529)

and today:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...905/Nc8r94.jpg
gsv


It's interesting to note that during WWII, the building was covered in camouflage netting. (Mitchell Camera Corp. was manufacturing bomb-sights at this location)

More information by Mayor_Shaw here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=10105

From the 1970s to the 1990s this was the location of 'Studio One', arguably the most famous gay bar in Los Angeles.

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tovangar2 Jul 19, 2015 10:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7100817)
"The Factory is the latest in a string of landmarks in Los Angeles and West Hollywood to face demolition because of development pressures. The Palms, the city's last lesbian bar, was razed in 2013. Jewel's Catch One closed in March after years of serving as a meeting place for black gay men. Circus Disco, a gay club in Hollywood that catered to the Latino lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community, is also threatened."

Jewel's doesn't actually close until the end of the summer. The Vegan Village (Internet) Cafe was/is in this building too (also owned by Jewel Thais-Williams), so it's all good.

I just posted a gsv of "Jewel's Room" and "Jewel's Catch One" on the previous page. It's on W Pico and S Norton:

Quote:
Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7100418)
(Oh noes, now I can't get "It's a Small World After All" out of my head!)


Thx e_r, that was a pretty good article from LAT. A rehabbed Factory building would be outstanding.

John Maddox Roberts Jul 19, 2015 11:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7100782)
It seems to me this came up recently in something I was looking at or reading,
but other than that I can't place it yet. Familiar...somehow...to me, though.
There's a Chatterbox Cafe located in Garrison Keillor's mythical Lake Wobegone, MN. I don't know if it was once a popular name for cafes, or a chain, or if Keillor was once at LA's Chatterbox and appropriated the name.

Flyingwedge Jul 19, 2015 11:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7100838)
Jewel's doesn't actually close until the end of the summer. The Vegan Village (Internet) Cafe was/is in this building too (also owned by Jewel Thais-Williams), so it's all good.

I just posted a gsv of "Jewel's Room" and "Jewel's Catch One" on the previous page. It's on W Pico and S Norton:
Jewel's Room was once the home of Joseph's Royale:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=18426

dannywa01 Jul 19, 2015 11:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7100418)
Hi Danny, that's a great block of S Norton between County Club and Pico.

The city gives 4019 as the official address of your corner building (the other addresses, 4013-4027, are probably for individual shops). The permit for new construction is dated 10 Feb 1927. No. 4019 was purpose built for "stores and offices" (later permits refer to the building's use as "Public Assembly"). The New York Finance Company is listed as owner. Albert C. Martin, Sr was the architect (Martin's wiki page is here if you're interested). A.C. Martin's offices were in the Higgins building at W 2nd Street and Main, DTLA, in 1927. The firm he founded is still in business.

The former sign on the back of the building is in the typeface which Bank of America used years ago. Bank of America was listed as owner in 1949 when they got a permit to add their signage to the front of the building. Before that, in 1941, there was a Farmers and Merchants Bank branch at this address

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...04443%2BPM.jpg
via dannywa01

The building permit for 4019 W Pico:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A...04758%2BPM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h...04829%2BPM.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y...04851%2BPM.jpg
http://ladbsdoc.lacity.org/idispublic/

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-O...22451%2BAM.jpg
gsv


Someone was shot and killed at No. 4019, during a party in 2000 (that can happen anywhere).


Here's an insurance map of your block in 1921. There were more empty lots than built ones!
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8...15417%2BPM.jpg
baist map 1921, plate 37 / historic mapworks

The mixed-use building on the other side of S Norton looks interesting too. It went in in 1925 and houses "Jewel's Room" and "Jewel's Catch One":
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-P...00201%2BAM.jpg
gsv


The Vintage Los Angeles Mid-City fb page is here

LA.curbed's Mid-City archive is here

An aerial of the Forum Theater, 1924, with (almost) empty lots across the street:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-t...10315%2BPM.jpg
lapl (detail) via LA movie palaces
Thank you sir soo much for your help! You are awesome! I was actually in elementary at around the time that guy got shot, and I actually remember coming down that street when a police officer told me that the street was blocked and that I had to go around. I guess everything fits now. The pictures you provided are amazing!!! Thank you ever so much for all your help! Thank you all!!!

tovangar2 Jul 19, 2015 11:55 PM
Jewel's Catch One / Joseph's Royale
 
:previous:

LOL. OK Danny.

I'm not a "Sir", I'm a Dame.

Glad you enjoyed the pix & info

________________________________________________

Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7100866)
Jewel's Room was once the home of Joseph's Royale:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=18426
Thank you so much FW for the reminder of the gorgeous pix of the "Joseph's Royale". Totally swank.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j...53846%2BPM.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...53729%2BPM.jpg
usc dl via flyingwedge

Click the link for larger, clearer versions at FW's post


(I hope Danny sees these.)

To compare with 1926 shot above:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B...55135%2BPM.jpg
walk the night

dannywa01 Jul 20, 2015 12:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7100884)
:previous:

LOL. OK Danny.

I'm not a "Sir", I'm a Dame.

Glad you enjoyed the pix & info

________________________________________________



Thank you so much FW for the reminder of the gorgeous pix of the "Royale". Totally swank.


(I hope Danny sees these.)
Foolish of me to assume you a man, I apologize. Thank you ma'am for your contributions. I actually came across images of Jewel's before, and that kinda motivated me to dig deeper into the history of the intersection. I know live on South Wilton Place between Pico & Venice, so if anyone has any images on either of those intersection from the past, those would be great as well!!! Now I feel like I'm asking for too much haha, but there's just so much to learn!

tovangar2 Jul 20, 2015 12:59 AM
:previous:

You'll be up to speed at doing your own searches in no time.

I can't wait to see what you find :-)

Tetsu Jul 20, 2015 1:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7100418)
Hi Danny, that's a great block of S Norton between County Club and Pico.

The city gives 4019 as the official address of your corner building (the other addresses, 4013-4027, are probably for individual shops). The permit for new construction is dated 10 Feb 1927. No. 4019 was purpose built for "stores and offices" (later permits refer to the building's use as "Public Assembly"). The New York Finance Company is listed as owner. Albert C. Martin, Sr was the architect (Martin's wiki page is here if you're interested). A.C. Martin's offices were in the Higgins building at W 2nd Street and Main, DTLA, in 1927. The firm he founded is still in business.

The former sign on the back of the building is in the typeface which Bank of America used years ago. Bank of America was listed as owner in 1949 when they got a permit to add their signage to the front of the building. Before that, in 1941, there was a Farmers and Merchants Bank branch at this address

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...04443%2BPM.jpg
via dannywa01

The building permit for 4019 W Pico:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-A...04758%2BPM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h...04829%2BPM.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-y...04851%2BPM.jpg
http://ladbsdoc.lacity.org/idispublic/

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-O...22451%2BAM.jpg
gsv


Someone was shot and killed at No. 4019, during a party in 2000 (that can happen anywhere).


Here's an insurance map of your block in 1921. There were more empty lots than built ones!
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-8...15417%2BPM.jpg
baist map 1921, plate 37 / historic mapworks

The mixed-use building on the other side of S Norton looks interesting too. It went in in 1925 and houses "Jewel's Room" and "Jewel's Catch One":
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-P...00201%2BAM.jpg
gsv
While I am quoting tovangar2, I'd like to welcome dannywa01 to the forum! FYI, in case you didn't know, your building at 4019 Pico was designed by one of the same architects as the iconic LA City Hall! Thanks to t2 for digging up the building permit. :D

A few notes on Jewels Catch One: While it was opened as a gay nightclub, it grew over the years to hosting events that don't necessarily cater to any particular sexual orientation. As such, I recently played there with my band and got a chance to check out the incredible interior. It's incredible because it has retained the original 1920's-era Spanish decor, and has been augmented by a good amount of 70's-80's era disco type decor. Somehow, these two styles work together PERFECTLY! So you've got your archways, burnt red tile floors, wrought iron wall sconces, etc., plus a healthy heaping of neon and mirrors.

I ended up accidentally leaving some gear behind and had to come back after the show during the week, when I had the chance to talk to Jewel personally. As it turns out, in spite of what the news articles may have said, the club may not be closing so soon after all. She really wants to find a buyer who will keep the essence of the club basically the same. Apparently there was a deal on the table but it fell through because she didn't feel the buyers were going to honor her wishes in that regard. I asked if she planned to try and have the building designated as an HCM and she said she'd love to, but, understandably, money was an issue. More info on the club's future to be found at their website, here.

The section of the building we played in is right on the corner, where you can see the sign that reads "Jewels Room." There's a much bigger ballroom toward the rear of the building that I never went into. I should've taken more photos. :(

However, there is this link which has scans of a bunch of old event flyers and autographed head shots from so many important 70's & 80's R&B artists - Thelma Houston, Phyllis Hyman, Shirley Murdock, and more. Not to mention, some photos of the exterior and interior of the building itself.

Tetsu Jul 20, 2015 1:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7100884)
:previous:

LOL. OK Danny.

I'm not a "Sir", I'm a Dame.

Glad you enjoyed the pix & info

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Thank you so much FW for the reminder of the gorgeous pix of the "Joseph's Royale". Totally swank.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j...53846%2BPM.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...53729%2BPM.jpg
usc dl via flyingwedge

Click the link for larger, clearer versions at FW's post


(I hope Danny sees these.)

To compare with 1926 shot above:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B...55135%2BPM.jpg
walk the night
Gosh, you're always on point t2. :D Where that bar is in the old B&W shot, there is now a stage and, obviously, the bar has been moved off to the left. The upstairs area is a "VIP" room. Of course, all of the walls are covered in mirrors.

Flyingwedge Jul 20, 2015 1:19 AM
Darby Hotel/Grace Apartment Hotel, 234 W. Adams
 
The Darby's architect was John C. Austin. The "old family residence" at 234 W. Adams, referred to below, was moved to 340 W. Adams, where it remained until at least 1950:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...i.jpg~original
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...m.jpg~original
August 8, 1909 LA Herald @ Library of Congress -- http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lc...arRange&page=5

This photo is undated, but I'd guess it was from around 1930, give or take a few years. The home we see part of to the left of The Darby, 226 W. Adams, is shown on the 1922 Sanborn Map as the "Hotel Darby Annex (Help's Quarters)":
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...u.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/69215

The Darby is on the right in this photo looking east on Adams from just west of Grand on January 16, 1928:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/1178/rec/115

This undated photo probably shows the Darby's lobby:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...3.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/69214

The dining room, also undated:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...s.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/69218

If you want to see more, there are three undated photos of room interiors here:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/69216
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/69217
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/69219

At some point between 1943 and 1950, the name changed to the Grace Apartment Hotel. The front has lost some windows but gained some ornamental detail:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...k.jpg~original
GSV Mar 2015

The east side of the building:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...i.jpg~original
GSV Mar 2015

JScott Jul 20, 2015 1:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7100699)
I posted this link beneath both photographs.

tovangar2 asked what happened to these people. She evidently didn't see your link. So I pointed her to a specific page on that site that would answer her question.

Pardon me for trying to be helpful to a friend.

ethereal_reality Jul 20, 2015 2:12 AM
It wasn't personal.

I simply pointed out that I had included the source.

dannywa01 Jul 20, 2015 2:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetsu (Post 7100910)
While I am quoting tovangar2, I'd like to welcome dannywa01 to the forum! FYI, in case you didn't know, your building at 4019 Pico was designed by one of the same architects as the iconic LA City Hall! Thanks to t2 for digging up the building permit. :D

A few notes on Jewels Catch One: While it was opened as a gay nightclub, it grew over the years to hosting events that don't necessarily cater to any particular sexual orientation. As such, I recently played there with my band and got a chance to check out the incredible interior. It's incredible because it has retained the original 1920's-era Spanish decor, and has been augmented by a good amount of 70's-80's era disco type decor. Somehow, these two styles work together PERFECTLY! So you've got your archways, burnt red tile floors, wrought iron wall sconces, etc., plus a healthy heaping of neon and mirrors.

I ended up accidentally leaving some gear behind and had to come back after the show during the week, when I had the chance to talk to Jewel personally. As it turns out, in spite of what the news articles may have said, the club may not be closing so soon after all. She really wants to find a buyer who will keep the essence of the club basically the same. Apparently there was a deal on the table but it fell through because she didn't feel the buyers were going to honor her wishes in that regard. I asked if she planned to try and have the building designated as an HCM and she said she'd love to, but, understandably, money was an issue. More info on the club's future to be found at their website, here.

The section of the building we played in is right on the corner, where you can see the sign that reads "Jewels Room." There's a much bigger ballroom toward the rear of the building that I never went into. I should've taken more photos. :(

However, there is this link which has scans of a bunch of old event flyers and autographed head shots from so many important 70's & 80's R&B artists - Thelma Houston, Phyllis Hyman, Shirley Murdock, and more. Not to mention, some photos of the exterior and interior of the building itself.
I actually looked at the wiki link that tovangar2 linked in her reply and that was the first thing I noticed! That's pretty amazing. I did some digging up of my own on the street I now reside in, and found a VERY interesting article that I'm sure you guys would LOVE to read.

http://cemeteryguide.com/gotw-parker.html

And to think I live about 300 feet away! Get to reading, its very interesting! Sad, but intriguing, and scary!

ethereal_reality Jul 20, 2015 3:01 AM
Here's a jaw-dropping photograph.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/Wyq0E0.jpg
UCLA Archive http://digital2.library.ucla.edu/Sea...ord=prosperity

The "Prosperity Special" on the outskirts of Los Angeles, 1922. The train delivered twenty 2-10-2 locomotives to California.
(showing 12 of the 20 locomotives!!)





Arrival in Los Angeles.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...661/kZcBDG.jpg
http://digital2.library.ucla.edu/vie...198/zz002cmh41






I believe this is the same building as in the 1922 photograph above (minus the top floor?). It's located on the SE corner of Alameda and 4th Street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...901/fxcTsm.jpg
gsv

-note the same angled corner that's visible behind the locomotive in the 1922 photograph.





And here's an interesting view of the back-side of the building. (facing Seaton Street)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...661/TcRJXd.jpg
gsv




I couldn't help but notice this wonderfully archaic door that has survived over all these years.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...538/rqb2e2.jpg
detail

:previous: but notice the hap-hazard way they blocked up the window at lower left. :(

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corriganville Jul 20, 2015 4:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7097858)
...and a few miles west of Chatsworth.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...913/Cx2oU5.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...673/cgqK4M.jpg
http://matterhorn1959.blogspot.com/2...lle-movie.html

Did any of you visit this place back in the day? It looks fun. :)

I visited the place a couple of times back in the day.

I wonder if you can still hike out to the caves? (number 19 on the map)

Yes, you can still hike out to the caves.

Also, I thought the western town was called 'Silvertown', but it isn't listed as such on the map.

Its normal name is Silvertown, but on the map shown, it is listed as Western Street.
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I just found this photograph at Silvertown from 1952.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/909/Vp1Phl.jpg
old file




And here's an aerial from the 1950s as well.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...540/zE6dg5.jpg
http://matterhorn1959.blogspot.com/2...lle-movie.html

:previous: "This aerial of Corriganville shows the 'Silvertown' working movie set, lower left center. 'Fort apache' is directly north
of Silvertown, center left. 'Lake Robin Hood' is at the far right upper portion."

hmmm....I don't see the lake.

I see it. You have to know where to look. Also, the fake jump-off rock can be seen.

For more information and photos on Corriganville, visit my web site at http://www.movielocationsplus.com/corrigan/corrigan.htm.

Also, my definitive history of the place can be found on amazon.com and other places. Title is "CORRIGANVILLE: The Definitive True History of the Ray "Crash" Corrigan Movie Ranch". Visit my other website at http://www.angelfire.com/film/locati...villeBooks.htm to find it and other Corriganville books.

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Jerry

tovangar2 Jul 20, 2015 5:12 AM
Darby / Grace Apartment Hotel
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7100926)
The Darby's architect was John C. Austin.

The Darby is on the right in this photo looking east on Adams from just west of Grand on January 16, 1928:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original
USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/1178/rec/115
An irresistible 'then & now'. There's a lot to look at and compare. Much is still with us, like the corner shop. The apartment on the distant left near Hill Street and the retail building just across Hill have really not changed much. The old Darby looks very well cared for. Thank you

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_...94322%2BPM.jpg
gsv

It's hard not to like John C Austin. His baronial grandness never pulls any punches.

HossC Jul 20, 2015 11:37 AM
I thought I'd try my hand at partially colorizing this image (seen before on NLA) while I was altering it to celebrate the 9 million views this thread has achieved. Thank you to everyone who contributes, especially ethereal_reality.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...n.jpg~original
Original image: www.pacificelectric.org

I know there are many streetcar aficionados on NLA - sorry if the colors aren't exact :).

ethereal_reality Jul 20, 2015 1:10 PM
:previous: Great job Hoss, I love it! We must have hit 9 million while I was asleep.

tovangar2 Jul 20, 2015 2:14 PM
That makes for an extraordinary image Hoss. Thank you.

Nine million views? I thought we just hit 7 million last month! Who are all these people? Maybe it's just us trolling back through the thread? LOL

Thank you e_r for making a place to satisfy my insatiable curiosity. Questions I've had for decades are answered in a twinkling here.

Noircitydame Jul 20, 2015 2:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6624043)
8240 Sunset Blvd. seems to have been a number of establishments, beginning possibly with the:

Colonial Drive-In
Hollywood Photographs has the Colonial Drive-In listed at 8240 Sunset Blvd. in a photo dated as 1936.

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/search/colonial/

But Chuckaluck had this post identifying the same Colonial Drive-In photo as c. 1933 and located at 6429 Sunset Blvd.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=16849

I just found this Herman J. Schultheis photo labeled 1938 from LAPL, with the 8240 address:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00101/00101238.jpgLAPL

It was also the:

Marquis Restaurant
...noted in a post by ER and another by GW:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=21896

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6082

This is announcing the opening after a remodel in 1953:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8009/7...6fc3c3393b.jpgRichard Schave, Flickr

Here’s an interior shot:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8027/7...c7bd6eb1c7.jpg
http://onbunkerhill.org/manneats4

I wonder if George got a discount?

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7088/7...43f6d948e6.jpgLAT
Following up on another drive-in Martin Pal posted about a while back. There was some confusion about the address, the Colonial style building appearing in some places as 8240 Sunset and sometimes a different address. Was it ever clarified that 8240 is the correct? I think it is.

In a Hollywood Historic Photos picture dated 1939, that I cropped, it looks like the building had become the Marquis, with an awning (marquee) over the door and a dining porch added on the second story.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...is-cropped.jpg

The photo in full, seen here before, originally from here
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...ncropped_1.jpg

They also have this 1970s view of the 1953 building. Looks like it was built on the same footprint as the earlier Colonial-style one.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k.../marquis73.jpg
here

oldstuff Jul 20, 2015 3:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6358167)
Chuckaluck's picture above provides a nice segue between Carpenter's Sandwiches (far right) and the view down Wilshire that I've been looking at.

I know the tiled Texaco service station at New Hampshire and Wilshire has been on NLA several times before, but I think this close-up is new. The service station stood nearly opposite the I. Magnin store - for a wider shot of both, and a lot more history of this block, see GW's blogspot post on 3240 Wilshire Boulevard.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ireTexaco1.jpg
USC Digital Library

Here's a better view of the service station. Again, I know that similar pictures have been posted before, but I don't remember seeing this one with the Green T Cafe on the left. There's three zoomable pictures in the set (link below image).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ireTexaco2.jpg
USC Digital Library

Of course, this is the old Calpet station, but I did doubt that for a while because e-r's earlier picture makes it look like the wings sweep back.



I now realize that it's just an optical illusion/camera trickery, as can be seen in the picture below. The Calpet station was adorned with far less signage than the later Texaco.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...etWilshire.jpg
California State Library

Returning to my first picture, the Wiltern Theatre is visible in the distance. Nowadays, the view is blocked by trees and tall buildings.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z.../LAWiltern.jpg
Detail of first picture above

On the left, just past the Immanuel Presbyterian Church, I spotted a building that looked like a theater. When I zoomed in, I could read the text "Hammond Organ". Sadly, neither of the buildings either side of the sign are still standing (at least not in a recognizable form).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAHammond1.jpg
Detail of first picture above

Here's a listing from the 1939 CD with details of the Hammond Instrument Co. at 3328 Wilshire.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...LAHammond2.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

The later buildings also housed a keyboard retailer - the Sherman Clay Pianos/Organs sign is still there, although the business has gone. Sherman Clay went out of business early in 2013, after 142 years of trading, but I believe this site closed earlier because la.curbed described the building as "empty" in this article about redevelopment from 2010.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...manClayGSV.jpg
GSV

USC has a couple of other photos similar to the first, quite possibly from the same shoot. They are taken from slightly different angles, and include a bit of Switzer's on the left and the Gaylord in the background. The first has a better view of the Wiltern Theatre:

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/22062

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...ll170/id/93249

More on the I. Magnin store:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=16372
My mother played the organ in church for 40+ years. We had (still have) a Hammond C-3 at the church and had one at home until my mother passed away in 1982. She used to go to what was then "Penny Owsley" for tubes and such for the organ. There was a store in Van Nuys which I believe was the one she went to after its opening in 1955 but I believe that both organs were purchased from the Wilshire Blvd Store in the 40's.

alanlutz Jul 20, 2015 4:29 PM
Dittos
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7101250)
That makes for an extraordinary image Hoss. Thank you.

Nine million views? I thought we just hit 7 million last month! Who are all these people? Maybe it's just us trolling back through the thread? LOL

Thank you e_r for making a place to satisfy my insatiable curiosity. Questions I've had for decades are answered in a twinkling here.
9 million!! Another great landmark for noirsh Los Angeles! I remember when Rick M. and I celebrated the 1000th page by spending the day together in DTLA. Although he is the only one on the group I have met in person, I THANK ALL the rest of you for your diligence in keeping up this page and all your hard work. Although I have been inactive lately since I started my post-retirement career as a cast member at Disneyland, I have learned SO MUCH about historic LA from you guys over the last 4 years or so. I think I first found this group when you were around page 300, but I have read almost all of them several times and have saved hundreds of photos for future reference and learned to browse digital libraries. Your next "landmark" will be 1500 pages, which you will hit at any time now!!
Especially I thank ER and the other major contributors, and T2 who have befriended me in my feeble efforts to contribute to NLA.


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