Thanks Earl! near Surfridge then.

so we have seen them before HERE, but the images are missing now.

HossC stitched the first two slides together like this.
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skyscraperpage

Sorry for the memory lapse folks.

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:previous: Those color pics were posted on page 2044 but fell victim to Photobucket. They are all Surfridge, not Santa Monica.

I'm so quick, I'm fast asleep.

Maybe up in the Hollywood Hills, or along the Mt. Lowe railroad or on Mt. Wilson???? Looks to be 1910s-1920s from the clothing.

:previous: I was going to say the Ostrich Farm...but I see it now under the guy's collar. "RIC ARM"
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& Guess What! the Ostrich Farm telescope is still there

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forensicgenealogy

So does it aim at the spot where Cawston's Ostrich Farm used to be? :shrug:

(that would be kind of interesting actually)

Thanks for the Nesbit pics. The Sanford White/Nesbitt/Thaw murder & scandal was portrayed in 2 films--"The Girl in the Red Velvet Swing" in the 1950s and of course in "Ragtime" from 1981. Evelyn was played by a young pre-"Dynasty" Joan Collins in the 1955 film and Elizabeth McGovern in "Ragtime". The case was the "O.J." trial of the time.

A pretty pic of Evelyn from 1901 before Sanford White & Thaw got their clutches on her--timeless but fatal beauty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evelyn...yn_Nesbit3.jpg

Oh yes. In South Pasadena, they are well-known. One can also occasionally (but not too often) see a peacock and/or peahen walking around.

:previous: What in the heck does a Peahen look like?

Even though my last 'mystery' post hit a big sour note, I'm going to try one more time.



This slide was taken by the same amateur photographer that took the Surfridge/'Santa Monica' slides.

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ssilberman / flickr

Does anyone, by chance, recognize this rather intriguing building?

[there is no information; other than it was taken sometime between 1946 and 1951]

For The Birds
 

Here in Bungalow Heaven, Pasadena, we have a massive flock of compact African-type parrots that tend to spend the night in the trees surrounding our property (they tend to avoid our property, despite our massive trees, because we have three big dogs and a vital crow community). In the morning, they leave in a number of groups (like individual platoons in a company) in different directions. Near dusk, they return, all at the same time, swirl around in a massive avian tornado, then light in a number of trees in the area.

When we lived in Culver City, we had a sizable platoon of Australian long-tail parakeets (sleek, colorful birds, 15 to 18 inches long).

a Peahen, the female of the species, is just a bit smaller than the flashy males, a mottled brown in color, with some green or blue on the neck and without the very long, elaborate tail. They do have a full tail but it is not nearly as big and fanning out as the tail on the male. They can put their tail upright and fan it out, but it looks more like the tail on a turkey than that of a male peacock. Both sexes have the short crown of feathers that stick up on their heads.

https://artistryforfeminismandkitten...hen3.jpg?w=640
peahen

O_C,

Bungalow Heaven? Love that place! Walked those streets several times.

Regarding the parrot population:

"Shocking as it may seem, Pasadena is home to hundreds of parrots.

The popular theory is that a they came from Simpson's Nursery in east Pasadena on East Colorado Blvd in the Lamanda Park area. It caught on fire in 1969. (Alternately I've seen some stories state the name was Simpson's Gardenland and Bird Farm which burnt down in 1959) Either the parrots were released to save them from the fires or they managed to escape on their own in time. From these parrots, the Pasadena Parrots came about. Other stories claim that the parrots have migrated up from Mexico but others still state they were originally black market birds released by smugglers .

Although no one seems sure how they actually ended up in Southern California, at least six and possibly as many as thirteen different species have been spotted in southern California. The different species even inter-breed at times. Pasadena's website states that they are yellowhead amazon parrots, an endangered species that has been kept as pets for decades because they are some of the best "talkers" amongst the many different species of parrot. Additionally California's Parrot Project and California Flocks keep track and offer up information on the different species of parrots found in the state.

Species that have been identified in Southern California by CaliforniaFlocks.org include: Yellow Chevroned Parakeets, Mitred Conures, Blue Crowned Conures, Indian Ringneck Parrots, Nanday Conures, Yellow Head Amazons, Blue Fronted Amazons, Lilac Crowned Amazons, Green Cheeked Amazons, Red Masked Conures, Red Lored Amazon and White Fronted Amazons.

The birds are no longer contained in the Pasadena area, but have been seen in several parts of the greater Los Angeles area, parts of San Diego, and even some towns in Central California including Bakersfield! Additionally San Francisco has a flock of over 200 Cherry-headed Conures that live and fly around Telegraph Hill."

Source: http://www.weirdca.com/location.php?location=112

Andys

As you note. Flickr dates are often suspect. I was just going to note that the building in that photo reminded me of the way dozens and dozens of buildings looked all over the city following the Northridge earthquake.

I'd seen a number of peaheans/peacocks in my time, but had never heard them until I'd gone to a friend's house for dinner one night. He lived next to the Paddington Farm property in Norwalk. We were relaxing in the living room on one foggy night, when I heard what sounded like a child yelling HELP over and over.

"WHAT WAS THAT?!"

"It's just the peacocks"

"ARE YOU SURE?!"

"Yeah, it's just the peacocks."

And that's how I learned that peacocks sound like lost children.

Roasting the peacock:

Pre-heat oven to 330 F..
Dust large oven bag with flour. ...
Rub bird outer skin with butter.
Season with pepper and salt.
Drape with rindless bacon.
Place bird into bag, on top of onion and celery layer.
Seal bag, then make four or five small vent holes in top of bag.
Cook for 3 hours.
Delish....

https://aussiehunter.org/wp-content/...st-peacock.jpg
dinner at Christmas

Peafowl
 

The feral peafowl in Palos Verdes get mixed reviews:




How Palos Verdes Got Its Peacock Problem - LA curbed

Rancho Palos Verdes to Continue Peacock Eviction Program - LAT

Peafowl are feral in Arcadia and La Cañada Flintridge too. Most people seem to blame Lucky Baldwin for them. He brought one or more breeding pairs back from an 1880 trip to India.

That building was at 1601 W Park Avenue. It's still an empty lot.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
GSV

There's a December 2001 picture of the empty lot at gettyimages.com. The caption says:

Corner lot at 1601 W. Park Ave. in Echo Park where a building collapsed one year ago. This is a story that looks back at the apartment building collapse last December that killed one tenant and injured 35 others. The spot where the building once stood is now vacant, and we'll look at what's next in store for the lot at 1601 W. Park Ave. The International Church of the Four Square has bought the land and is proposed a low? and moderate?income housing project for that spot.

An article in the Eastsider from last year mentions new propsals for a 12,400-square-foot building with 11 residences with 16 parking spaces. The page also links to an LA Times article about the building's collapse.

Try to catch and eat them. We need all the protein we can get these days. Check out my recipe above for good eating.....besides that they're free.:cheers: Yeah, I blame that old Lucky Baldwin every time.

Peafowl are protected here, not "free" for the taking. That's why the cops are investigating the 50 who were unlawfully poisoned or shot.


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Thanks HossC for that last post. I assumed it was earthquake damage too. Collapse didn't occur to me.

ethereal reality
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:previous: Thanks for digging up this information Hoss. It came as a complete surprise that the building collapsed!

Dec. 9, 2000

"An aging Echo Park apartment house cited two years ago for a damaged foundation shifted and collapsed early Friday.
Juan Francisco Pineda, 31, was crushed to death and his wife was injured as the front section of the building gave way.
More than 50 people were left suddenly homeless by the collapse.

Many of the tenants thought they were experiencing an earthquake. Ominous warning signs had been evident for days.
Those signs included plumbing leaks, new cracks in ceilings and inability to close doors properly." latimes


The incident is also covered in a LAWeekly article titled Digs of Doom

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You're vegan....didn't know that. Vegans are cool people. :tup: But then again....I like many types of people....especially the lobster eaters of the O.T.;) ;)

BTW its not good to poison or shoot such creatures....imo. Remember, I used to live on a large rabbit farm....we also had chickens and goats.

LA curbed reports today that LA Bungalow Courts are disappearing fast. Just 350 left in the city.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VC...=w1344-h615-no
la curbed


They get more love than Dingbats

found this on ebay a couple days ago.

"Early Cabinet Photo - French Family Homestead, PASADENA California"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/TDw3At.jpg
EBAY

What makes this cabinet card photograph so special is that everyone in the photo is named on the back.

we might need some help with all these people oldstuff. :)



"Catherine Sherman French's House and Family"

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reverse

ends with "Last Home Coming"

photographer's stamp

F. P. Whitcomb
Summit Ave.,
Pasadena, Cal.




it comes with a border
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ONE MORE THING:

Doesn't this look like a giant wicker chair on the roof of the chicken coop. (I think it's a chicken coop)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/ghrUTA.jpg

I've stared at it for quite awhile and can't figure out what it is. :shrug:



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Peafowl children are called Peachicks.

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jodi pflepsen

USC 'mystery' buildings.




"1949 USC Los Angeles Kodachrome Slide"

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EBAY

I believe this is commercial building acquired (temporarily?) by the university. -it appears to be an Information Center.





"1949 USC Univeristy Los Angeles Kodachrome Slide"

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EBAY

the stripes on this one make it seem a bit modern. that blue car needs to SLOW DOWN!






"1949 USC university los angeles kodachrome"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ITOBk0.jpg
EBAY

I should probably know this one, but I don't.





this last one is not mystery:

"1949 Los Angeles Museum Kodachrome Slide"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/j3mVgu.jpg
EBAY

This is the south entrance to the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County. someone lost their bra on the sidewalk.

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1s a male one a boychick?

It looks like a chair sitting on the roof of the porch. :shrug:

Thanks for all this great information, Andys. The flock in Culver City was definitely some sort of conure, but the parrots here in Bungalow Heaven don't seem to be as colorful nor as large as yellowhead Amazon parrots are. Then again, it's hard to get a good look at them.

In Culver City, we were able occasionally to get the conures to visit our feeders, but the parrots here won't even fly over our lot. They always skirt it at high speed.

Best Noire Film Set in L.A. area....
 

Has to be either...1) "Sunset Blvd." or 2) "Double Indemnity" or 3) "The Postman Always Rings Twice" (original version) or the neo-noire 4) "Chinatown".

Tough choice, but I vote Double Indemnity. Both 1 & 2 were directed by Billy Wilder. Should I have put "The Big Sleep" on the list? Another couple of L.A. "neo-noires" (with comic elements) I like are "Barton Fink" & the quirky bowling flick with "The Dude"--what was that one called? Both by the Coen Bros. "The Doors" also has noirish elements and is set mostly in L.A.

Best "feel good" anti-noire L.A. movie...."Singing in the Rain"

Best "noirish" L.A. TV shows......"Dragnet" (early 1950s version more noirish than 1960s version) & "77 Sunset Strip"

The film I played in was very LA noirish....The Day of the Locust...1976. That's me in the brown suit standing next to Karen Black. I'm standing on a bag of sand.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WyAMgn3on...the+Locust.jpg
Paramount

I think a good LA "neo-noir" (if it qualifies as one) is "Drive," with Ryan Gosling. I think it came out in the early teens... 2010s, that is.

CBD, When you posted this, it reminded me that when my step-dad was a young man, around 1912 or so, he worked at the San Marcos Hotel in Chandler, Arizona. At that time the hotel had a large flock of ostriches on the grounds. The hotel kitchen had a recipe for cooking an ostrich, very like your peacock recipe only they needed a huge pan to fit it in, and 25 each of onion, celery etc. I can't find the recipe now but I think that it had to cook all day.

in my former job, I drove past that every day. After the original building was torn down, the church also tore down some buildings which were across Glendale Blvd from the church and moved one of them to that empty lot for a while, up on blocks. It was there for a couple of years or so, and then one day, it wasn't. No clue where it went. It has been vacant again for 2-3 years. The building that was moved there temporarily was an interesting old apartment building, probably from the teens or early 20's, but unfortunately I never thought to take a picture of it.

The chair is on the roof of a porch which opens off the upstairs room

Gotta include The Big Sleep
But how can you include color films in the list??
The only one I can think of that comes close is the plot-flawed "Blade Runner"
There are plenty of dire/grim films, just look at the Cohn Bros list- but Noir is a film of a different nocolor

The Googlemobile only caught the building on blocks in 2011.

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GSV

Heck yes, ostrich meat is delicious....there are many recipes. They make good hamburger type patties....hardly any fat. Very tasty.....healthy.

I like those, but I'd have to add Criss Cross, Mildred Pierce, In a Lonely Place, This Gun for Hire...and...and...

Re: Film noir in color

There is a subset of film noirs that were filmed in color and some of them are very good.

My favorites are:

Bad Day at Black Rock
Desert Fury
Leave Her to Heaven
Niagara
Chinatown

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;8068951]found this on ebay a couple days ago.

"Early Cabinet Photo - French Family Homestead, PASADENA California"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/TDw3At.jpg
EBAY

What makes this cabinet card photograph so special is that everyone in the photo is named on the back.

we might need some help with all these people oldstuff. :)



OK you asked for it. There is a lot since there are a lot of people:


FRENCH FAMILY BIO
FROM PHOTO - LISTED IN THE SAME ORDER AS IN THE PHOTO
The family appears in the 1900 Census in Pasadena, CA. The address of their home is listed as being 10 Hammond Street, Pasadena. This property appears to now have become Jackie Robinson Park, at the corner of Fair Oaks and Hammond in Pasadena. A 1903 directory for Pasadena lists the French property at the corner of Hammond and Mentone. This location is now a city electrical yard. They may have owned the entire area at that time. The directory from 1902 lists their property at the southeast corner of Mentone and Hammond. This is now just east of the 210 Freeway and is a city yard. The house may have been lost to the Freeway.

The picture would have been taken prior to 1903 since that is the date of Catherine Sherman French's death. Her husband Charles French is not in the picture so me make have taken it.

The family is found living in Wilson, Missouri in 1880. Soon after that, they moved to California. The last two children, of which we are aware, Daisy and Antone were born in California, in 1883 and 1889 respectively.

The picture shows

CATHERINE SHERMAN FRENCH
Wife of CHARLES M. FRENCH (not pictured)
Charles French was born in New York State in June of 1843. He is listed in the 1900 Census as being a blacksmith. He died in 1913 and is buried in Mountain View Cemetery in Altadena.
A voter registration for him from 1892 notes that he was 5’ 11” and that he had a medium complexion, blue eyes and brown hair.
MARY CATHERINE SHERMAN FRENCH was born in July of 1851 in Ohio, according to census records. Both her parents were from Germany. She married Charles French in 1869. She died in Pasadena on April 22, 1903.

ANNA FRENCH SNODDY was born on March 23, 1875 in Rea, Missouri. She married JOHN BEATTY SNODDY in Los Angeles on March 8, 1899. Marriage records for them indicate that she had lived in California since she was 12 and that her parents came to California in 1887.
John Beatty Snoddy, the husband of Anna French, was born in El Monte, Ca in November of 1874. He died in 1943.
Emory Sherman Snoddy, the son of Anna French and John Beatty Snoddy, was born in California on November 24, 1900. He died in Yucaipa, CA in 1967. He is buried in the Savannah Cemetery in Rosemead, CA.

CHARLES WESLEY FRENCH was born in May of 1887 in Missouri. He is listed as being a carriage painter in the 1900 Census. He died in Bishop, CA in February of 1943.
CATHERINE FRENCH (maiden name unknown) may have been born in November of 1893. She died at the age of 101 in 1994 in Oceanside, CA.

EMMA MAY FRENCH CROSBY was born in Missouri in May of 1869. She is listed as married when she appears in the 1900 Census, living with her parents. She is married to Lorain Crosby on December 13, 1890 and then widowed by 1910, where she appears in the census of that year, living with her son Walter at 368 Hammond, Pasadena. (This location is currently right in the median of the 210 freeway, and probably part of her parent’s property). While she appears in the 1900 census, her sons do not, although they were children at the time. Lorain is listed in the 1900 Census, living as a boarder and working as a butcher in Pasadena, but Emma and the children are not listed with him. Lorain died in 1903. Emma died in Los Angeles County in 1956.
ESTHER CROSBY, Daughter of Emma French and Lorain Crosby, she was born in California in 1896.
WESLEY CROSBY, the son of Emma French Crosby and Lorain Crosby, he was born in 1892 in California. He does appear in 1940, living with his mother on Bonsallo Avenue in Los Angeles and working as a battery repairman
WALTER CROSBY, The son of Emma French Crosby and Lorain Crosby. He was born in California in 1893

LULU B. FRENCH was born in Missouri in December of 1880. She is listed in the 1900 census as a leather carver. She married Phillip Hand in Pasadena in 1909. She died in June of 1915. Lulu and her husband lived at 719 Palisade in Pasadena. They appear in a directory at that address in the year she died. The house is no longer there.

DAISY MARGUERITE FRENCH was born in April of 1883 in California. She is listed in 1903 in a Pasadena directory as a bookkeeper. She married Irwin Slater in 1904 and they had two children. Daisy died in 1959. The house where she died at 539 E. Orange Grove in Pasadena was built in 1904, the year she was married.

ANTONE SHERMAN FRENCH was born in California in May of 1889. He also went by Anthony French. He married Lucy_____ , prior to June of 1917 when he filled out his draft card. When he registered for the draft in WW I he is listed as being a blacksmith, like his father. He was living at 358 Hammond Street in Pasadena. At that time he listed his employer as the Pasadena Rock and Gravel company. He died in Los Angeles County in 1960.

Bad Day at Black Rock .....is one of the best in a quirky way. The mood of the location filming is penetrating. The story of how they got that train to the remote location is practically a book by itself. Every empty seat on the train had to be paid for from LA to Lone Pine.

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Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer

I don't think a noire or "neo-noire" needs to be always in black&white. Chinatown & L.A. Confidential & Day of Locust & Blade Runner (future noire dystopia) in color but dark noire in plot & attitude. OK, put Big Sleep in the contenders, but the plot is somewhat murky but has Bogey and the noire look & feel. My vote still goes to "Double Indemnity" with "Sunset Blvd" a close 2nd. Edward G. Robinson is terrific in DI, as are Stanwyck & the dude from "My 3 Sons".

I see it now. The chair is on a side porch attached to the house.

The chair looked 'Giant' because I thought it was on a separate building some distance behind the house.

see what I mean
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I might need glasses.

In re: Victor Ponet's sometime undertaking business partner Benjamin Franklin Orr.

My notes:

"1836, born at Johnstown, Pennsylvania; parents: William Orr and Mary Adams; “His father was an undertaker, and to that business young Orr was reared and assisted his father until 1858, when, coming to California, he engaged in mining in the gold region of Sonoma and Tuolumne counties until 1861. After making a prospecting tour through Southern California, he located at San Francisco, and was there employed as an upholsterer until 1865. He then came to Los Angeles, where, in 1867 [or 1869], he became associated with V. Ponet in undertaking, as Ponet & Orr. […] Mr. Orr was married in 1868, at Johnstown, Pennsylvania, to Miss Rebecca Piatt, daughter of James B. Piatt, of that place. She is a native of Pittsburg, Pennsylvania. To them have been born two children, Virginia […] and Elsie” (Illustrated History of Los Angeles County, p. 789).

I yawned my way through several Los Angeles Times clippings--Mr. Orr, like I suppose any good undertaker, was not very splashy in his, um, undertakings--and finally washed my hands of him with his building in 1906 a house at 1028 W. 18th St. in Los Angeles, of which I hope the below is a picture as it stands at present . . .

https://s26.postimg.org/hvmqnjsi1/1028w18th_Orr1.jpg

Alas I have not as of yet found anything very exciting about it . . .

https://s26.postimg.org/gumhyrbm1/glasses.jpg
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umiam...anes-fans.html

Be the first on your block? ;)

Thx, I kept missing "Drive" (2011), but finally saw it today.

Did you like it? I've only seen it once, but I really enjoyed it.

Some may disagree, but I feel it has noirish qualities... Cynical tone/attitude, antihero protagonist, hint of sexual motivation...

Double Indemnity gets my vote as well. There's not one wasted line in the entire movie, and the descriptive voice-over is both ominous and informative. It helps set the scene of the action for non-native Angelenos of the time.

Plus you get a (very) short cameo shot of Raymond Chandler.

Cheers,

Earl

Here's a bit of rare ephemera I just came across on ebay:


"PALM GARDEN DANCING PAVILION - INVITATION w STAMP - LOS ANGELES 1890 -1900's"

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EBAY



inside
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/QyZ5AQ.jpg
the back is plain.
__________________________________________________________________________________


some ads to flesh out the history of the place.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/loeclg.jpg
Los Angeles Herald Jan.
1908

:previous: it mentions souvenirs (no doubt like the trinkets mentioned in 'The Cannon Ball' invitation)




souvenirs mentioned again
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/XmqD2P.jpg
Los Angeles Herald Jan.
1908




There was also a Palm Garden Cafe and Saloon on S. Main "near the post office". -is this a different location....or was there a post office near 18th street?

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Los Angeles Herald May 1899





This notice has the same 18th and Main address but a different name....

"Angelus Palm Garden"

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Los Angeles Herald, Feb. 1907



It eventually became the Palm Garden Skating Rink.

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Los Angeles Herald Jan.
1911

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I AM ALMOST FINISHED FOLKS


I thought these last two might be of some interest.

There was a Palm Garden Saloon on Court street. (back in 1890)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/7iSrHE.jpg
Los Angeles Herald Jan. 1890



and waaaaaaay back in 1884 there was a Palm Garden on Spring St.

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Los Angeles Herald, Nov. 1884

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