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Tourmaline Mar 16, 2014 4:53 PM

Is something missing?

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:hmmm:


Wikipedia is a good resource yet its current history of the New Beverly Cinema is either inaccurate or incomplete. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Beverly_Cinema It currently states:
"The building began life as a vaudeville theater, hosting acts such as Dean Martin, Jerry Lewis, Jackie Gleason, Phil Silvers, and others. Later, the theater was converted into a nightclub called Slapsy Maxie's, named after the boxer and silent film actor Maxie Rosenbloom."
No mention of "Colvin's Beverly Winery?"

There is little doubt the building spent the majority of its life as an entertainment venue, but this picture makes clear that wine sales was one of many hats it has worn. With its open air facade, it is a strong hunch that the building started out as a retail establishment and most probably a neighborhood bodega, like so many other open air markets in the vicinity. That is not to say several transformations were not possible, considering the nearby Cantor's and Bethel Presbyterian Church conversions from theaters. But a purpose-built middle-of-the-block small venue seems to have been bucking the trend of larger movie houses in the late 20's early 30's when, I am guessing, the building was erected. (the NB Cinema = 300 seats http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/1156; Esquire Theater/Canter's = 500 seats http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2358 Fox La Brea/Bethel Church = 900 seats http://cinematreasures.org/theaters/2293). Note the two distinct facades in the '34 picture, suggesting, at the time, it may have been intended to house two different business at the location, similar to today. (Colvin's appears to be using both addresses - until the wine sells out. :cheers:) There are also a couple of interior photos, but it is not clear if they are of the structure know known as the NB Cinema or its neighbor to the east. The open beams may suggest the building was finished more as a retail warehouse than a place for theatrical exhibition. Again, this is pure conjecture and given the economic climate in '34, there is probably a far more interesting back story to the building. :???:



Interior shots show wooden beams above displays. Makeshift storage support or display window dressing?


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Is $1/barrel wine enough for a double feature at the Wiltern?:bowtie: Muscatel or Port for Capra, Runyon, Warner Williams? Forget your troubles . . . get happy? :whistle: Wrong movie.




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Lwize Mar 16, 2014 5:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6496544)

Decor like that is always removed in LA renovations for earthquake safety. It's like someone took a pallet knife and scraped the tops of all the old buildings around the city.

GaylordWilshire Mar 16, 2014 5:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 6495767)
Anybody recognize the car? Looks like an American Austin, but I don't think they made a four door.
Cheers,
Earl

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Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 6496543)


It's a '34 Plymouth... you are very close, Tourmaline. The pic above is a '33.

Tourmaline Mar 16, 2014 6:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 6496551)
Decor like that is always removed in LA renovations for earthquake safety. It's like someone took a pallet knife and scraped the tops of all the old buildings around the city.

I was focusing more on the blank area that often bears the name of the business, the building, or the date of construction (bottom). Considering the early '30s economy, this could be a clue that the original or current occupant was not long term.

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TD Mott - 1885 - S. Main Street, between 1st and 2nd streets.
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Tourmaline Mar 16, 2014 6:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6496571)
It's a '34 Plymouth... you are very close, Tourmaline. The pic above is a '33.


Unable to quickly locate a '34 sedan with the front fender spare. Too much of Colvin's wine may have affected my vision and my ability to play miniature golf.:tongue4:


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Tourmaline Mar 16, 2014 6:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6496500)
Alwaysmore Gilmore...


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A December 8, 1951, fire at Rand's Beverly Round Up, which turns out was just east of Herbert's at the SE corner of Beverly & Fairfax.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...2520AM.bmp.jpgBoston Public Library

We've seen this card before in BRR's round-up of Rand's Round Ups in post #13392


As seen before in Chuckaluck's prior post #20178


Thought that was just a normal "smoke out" for the Farifax Theater's late-night crowd. :no: Watching certain films can make an audience "powerful hungry."

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One of your aerial's also depicts the asked-about Standard Gas Station on the NE corner of the same intersection. Also drawn to the formation of parked cars at the Drive In. Maybe it was street sweeping day, or more probably cars were parked conveniently closest to an exit or nearby business.
http://i.imgur.com/w1v6yMw.jpg

Tourmaline Mar 16, 2014 6:49 PM

Regarding my observations of Colvin's Beverly Winery and the NB Cinema, I noticed this "seemingly" small neighborhood theater in Eagle Rock. Can't recall seeing it on NLA. Per Cinema Treasures, exteriors can be deceptive as this facade hid 900 seats. Source indicates several remodels and current use as . . . a church.



4884 Eagle Rock Blvd. (Early-mid '70s?)
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Tourmaline Mar 16, 2014 7:20 PM



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The stills from "Liberty" are said to have been shot at the Western Costume Co. 935 S Broadway. I was remiss in not mentioning previous discussion here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13189 where it was said that there was a set built atop of the building. Since the Western Costume Building was said to be complete by '20, this makes sense, although I must say the girders look quite realistic.
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This caused me to happen upon one of the numerous shots from the Chamber of Commerce Building. This one features mostly-silent screen actress, Dorothy Dwan. She had some 40 films to her credit, including a few brushes with Messrs Laurel and Hardy.


LA Chamber of Commerce Building. 1151 S. Broadway - built in '24, unbuilt in '68.
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1930 - Unidentified woman with cardboard butterflies
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Seems apropos to include Saving Sam.
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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6055590)

Pep Boys and Felix Chevrolet had their cartoon representatives. Western Auto Supply had its own: "Saving Sam." Wonder if the character was based upon a real person. Could it have been based on Western Auto's long-time founder and President, George Pepperdine? Doubtful, . . . different hairline (?)


1100 Grand Ave - Pre '26.
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ethereal_reality Mar 16, 2014 10:19 PM

A postcard of both the Zephyr Room nightclub and the Wilshire Brown Derby.

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I have no idea why it's so rare to see the two of them together since they were right across the street (Alexandria Avenue) from each other.



from way back on page 81.
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To see the art deco interior of the Zephyr Room go here.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1611

Here's my first post on the Chapman Park Hotel and Bungalows that includes the Zephyr Room.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1610

ProphetM Mar 16, 2014 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 6496471)

How unfortunate. :(

I was at Metro's web site looking for some kind of map of how they will arrange the tracks and station, and I came across something equally sad - Metro offered the Senor Fish building for sale for $1 to anyone who would be willing to move it, for a year beginning in July 2012. I can only assume there were no takers. That proposal said it was constructed in 1913, so I guess it is the other building that was constructed in 1898.

Martin Pal Mar 16, 2014 11:29 PM

I might have seen HALF of this exact double feature if this photo was taken in the last year or two!

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6326703)
[...] has anyone mentioned the film The Outside Man from 1971 or 72 that was shot on location all over L.A. and features remnants of the Pacific Ocean Park in Santa Monica, Sunset Blvd. locations, Beverly Hills, downtown and if I'm not mistaken, aerial shots of the decimated Bunker Hill area, among other things?


Lwize Mar 16, 2014 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 6496850)
How unfortunate. :(

I was at Metro's web site looking for some kind of map of how they will arrange the tracks and station, and I came across something equally sad - Metro offered the Senor Fish building for sale for $1 to anyone who would be willing to move it, for a year beginning in July 2012. I can only assume there were no takers. That proposal said it was constructed in 1913, so I guess it is the other building that was constructed in 1898.

How do you stabilize and move a 100 year old brick building? Seems like it would just be a dismantled pile of bricks to the potential buyer.

The older building was yet another (now lost) brewery. LA must have rivaled Milwaukee back in the day... ;)

Anyone have picks of the brewery in its past life? 114 Central Ave.

Martin Pal Mar 16, 2014 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Retired_in_Texas (Post 6496481)
[SIZE="3"]I think that Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwiches as a menu item anywhere had pretty much gone bye-bye by 1960, making anyone that remembers them being on the menu pretty much on their way to being an Old Geezer. LOL

Johnny Rockets has PB&J sandwiches on their menu as long as they've been around.

Martin Pal Mar 16, 2014 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6496028)
I've highlighted Beverly Boulevard west of Beverly Hills as it appeared on this 1928 map. As GW's LA Times article suggests, it is now Sunset Boulevard. In 1928, the start of Sunset is marked near the right of the map below.

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From several recent posts I get that parts of Sunset Blvd. were at one time Beverly Blvd. What I want to know is--Beverly Blvd. (as in Fairfax and Beverly Blvd.) runs from L.A. through West Hollywood into Beverly Hills and stops when it curves into Santa Monica Blvd. in Beverly Hills. Were these two parts of Beverly Blvd. (the current one and the renamed Sunset Blvd. section) at one
time connected somewhere?

GaylordWilshire Mar 17, 2014 12:05 AM

:previous:


MP: I've looked at a good bit of Times coverage on this--the coverage begins in the 'teens through the '30s. Looks like the city fathers wanted a new route to the west side and proposed a "Beverly Boulevard" from Whittier to the ocean. The mid-town route involved First Street and Temple, which at the time extended west toward Windsor Square/Hancock Park. As early as 1912, there were proposals to rename Santa Monica Boulevard--or at least what was called the Santa Monica Road--Colegrove Boulevard, and soon after that a proposal to change it again to Beverly Blvd. Then in 1916 the proposal came for extension through Beverly Hills and on through Brentwood to the Pacific. Exactly what the path through Beverly Hills might have been is so far unclear, as is how it might have connected to the Beverly Boulevard that then existed (now Sunset--the extension west of which L.A. also called Beverly) and which in the '30s was all connected to Sunset coming from the east. Looks to me that as Beverly became the name of the current road west into BH to the south of Sunset, the city renamed its portion of the Sunset route west of BH and urged that city to follow suit, which it finally did. Seems there was a lot of wrangling, with the result that Beverly Boulevard never did become a city-to-the-sea throughfare. In other words, the current Beverly Blvd and the Beverly-now-Sunset never connected. Sorry if this is hard to follow--I've tried to simplify.

One thing I might add is that--especially in the super-boosterish Times--a lot of these articles were grandiose announcements of plans not at all firm in order to sell-sell-sell real estate....


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CityBoyDoug Mar 17, 2014 12:30 AM

Old Geezer.....LOL
 
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Originally Posted by Retired_in_Texas (Post 6496481)
I think that Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwiches as a menu item anywhere had pretty much gone bye-bye by 1960, making anyone that remembers them being on the menu pretty much on their way to being an Old Geezer. LOL

Loved those old Anchor Hocking barrel tumbler water glasses that were used by restaurants everywhere. However today if they were still used in curb service people would be taking them home instead of leaving them on the tray. They even went bye-bye in sit down restaurants by the mid 1960s. Last one's I recall seeing was in the student center snack bar at TCU around 1963.

There are still quite a number of dine in your car drive-in restaurants around. One good example is the SONIC chain. They seem to do a great job of competing with the likes of McDonald's, Burger King, and Jack in the Box. Then there are still quite a number of throw backs to the 1950s around in small towns around the country, when going to the drive-in burger joint was a social event for many teenagers. This one is an example and was Elvis Presley's favorite place when he was stationed at Ft. Hood Texas. Their web site is more or less horrible but take the time to watch the video, it's interesting. Then check out the individual locations. http://www.stormsrestaurants.com/#!



Hey Retired in TX.....are you calling yourself an old geezer? LOL BTW, McDonald's, Burger King, and Jack in the Box.....are all dine in your car restaurants.....LOL

Chuckaluck Mar 17, 2014 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6496861)
I might have seen HALF of this exact double feature if this photo was taken in the last year or two!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd9AyZvV3hM ;)


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ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 1:17 AM

ok, I must be going crazy, because I thought I posted this last week but now I can't find it.
So here it is again. (or not again ;))

driving through the third street tunnel in 1963.
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ebay

ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 2:41 AM

Here's a very fine old building at Beverly Boulevard & N. Laurel Avenue.
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This was my very first gym in Los Angeles (located on the second floor).
It had dark wood, tract lighting, wooden rafters, & exposed brick. -very 1980s. ;)


Here's a photograph I took in 1984...back then it was known as the L.A. Body & Health Club. (no palm trees in front yet)
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I just happened across this gym while walking down Beverly Blvd.
It was a good choice...not much attitude...and not very busy during the day.


Here's a contemporary view. The second floor is still a gym....an Easton's now.
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above: It looks like the printing shop is still there, minus the blade sign. (visible in my 1984 view)



The store fronts along the side street (Laurel Avenue) remain empty as they were 30 years ago!
-kinda sad isn't it? (well, I guess the two with cross braces are part of the printing shop)

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-view along Laurel Ave. looking south towards Beverly Blvd.
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The back of the building is exposed brick. The fire escape and 2nd floor windows all had great views of the Hollywood Hills.
-there was a hot tub on the roof.

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GSV

-a couple of the empty ground floor spaces....I'd love to see inside.
Hmm...I wonder if there's a basement? (I never thought about that before)

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Chuckaluck Mar 17, 2014 4:32 AM

Shenandoah Library] Station, aka The Robertson Library Branch. Unclear whether the bars are purely decorative or serve some other utilitarian function such as security.


Undated - 8815 Alcott St.

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Retired_in_Texas Mar 17, 2014 7:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6496943)
Hey Retired in TX.....are you calling yourself an old geezer? LOL BTW, McDonald's, Burger King, and Jack in the Box.....are all dine in your car restaurants.....LOL

Maybe in your car, but not in mine. <G>

CityBoyDoug Mar 17, 2014 8:21 AM

Nostalgia...Noir
 
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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6496864)
Johnny Rockets has PB&J sandwiches on their menu as long as they've been around.

I would certainly hope that J.R. has PB&J sandwich.....they have to have it....their specialty is retro food.

I'm not sure but does McDonald's and Jack in the Box have PB&J? I don't recall but I'm thinkin' they do have it.

There are 50 Roy Rogers restaurants....maybe they have the PB. A PB sure sounds like a RR type of food. Kids like RR and I'm sure he would want to cater to kids tastes. If they don't have a PB sandwich they're makin' a big old Texas size mistake..

CityBoyDoug Mar 17, 2014 8:38 AM

All U can eat for 50 cents....
 
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Originally Posted by Retired_in_Texas (Post 6497340)
Maybe in your car, but not in mine. <G>

My car interior is white leather so I don't usually eat in the car. Ya know what I mean....a few spots of ketchup splattered across the upholstery always looks.... suspicious. If a cop sees that he might want to look in the trunk.

GaylordWilshire Mar 17, 2014 8:44 AM

:previous:

Fascinating stuff, guys.


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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6497106)
Here's a very fine old building at Beverly Boulevard & N. Laurel Avenue.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/716/kexi.jpg


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u...352%2520AM.jpgLAT Apr 22, 1928

The question is whether or not we should be grateful that the Depression (apparently) forestalled the additional floors...


Over the years the building seems to have housed a Safeway, a branch of "Awful Fresh MacFarlane" candies, and Harry Lowitz, a TV dealer (selling Packard-Bells).


It also made a list of earthquake-vulnerable buildings in 1979... I guess it was retrofitted, and I'm glad it--and you--survived, ER.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...erlyearthq.jpg
LAT Nov 25, 1979

ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 2:27 PM

:previous: Thanks for digging up that history GW. -much appreciated.

ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 2:52 PM

Here's another nice looking building that has survived.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...90/22/9v14.jpg
ebay



today
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ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 2:56 PM

This is what the downtown skyline looked when I lived in L.A.

1984
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...90/31/k3um.jpg
old file of mine

I didn't realize there was a skybridge/walkway connected to city hall. Is it still there?

ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 3:04 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/838/gfqi.jpg
ebay

I heard there was a 4.7 earthquake in Los Angeles this morning.

Blaster Mar 17, 2014 3:05 PM

Yeah, THE OUTSIDE MAN really got around LA, using a lot of early 70's locations. I particularly recall that glass elevator on the outside of the building just west of Tower Records on the Sunset Strip.

ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 3:13 PM

:previous: What elevator is that Blaster? I lived near there and don't recall it.
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Does anyone know where this was located?

Blaster Mar 17, 2014 3:45 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;6497561]:previous: What elevator is that Blaster? I lived near there and don't recall it.
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Th building was just west of the old Tower Records on the north side of Sunset. It might even have been right next door. The design was modern. I imagine it was built in the 60's. I don't know if it was an office building or an apartment building but it had a glassed-in elevator in front that was exposed from the street. In the trailer for THE OUTSIDE MAN, I don't believe you see the actual elevator but they show a POV shot from it, rising over the Strip. I know the building is shown in the body of the actual film.

ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 3:56 PM

--very interesting. I'll try and find a copy of The Outside Man. Thanks for the information.

Blaster Mar 17, 2014 4:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6497637)
--very interesting. I'll try and find a copy of The Outside Man. Thanks for the information.

I think the actual building may still be there but they may have enclosed, removed or obscured that elevator. Pretty sure it was right next door to Tower Records.

Blaster Mar 17, 2014 4:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster (Post 6497654)
I think the actual building may still be there but they may have enclosed, removed or obscured that elevator. Pretty sure it was right next door to Tower Records.

A little checking tells me the location was the Medallion Apartments, 8833 W. Sunset. It has since been torn down and the IAC building stands in its place.

CityBoyDoug Mar 17, 2014 5:30 PM

The mystery continues...
 
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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 6497362)
I would certainly hope that J.R. has PB&J sandwich.....they have to have it....their specialty is retro food.

I'm not sure but does McDonald's and Jack in the Box have PB&J? I don't recall but I'm thinkin' they do have it.

There are 50 Roy Rogers restaurants....maybe they have the PB. A PB sure sounds like a RR type of food. Kids like RR and I'm sure he would want to cater to kids tastes. If they don't have a PB sandwich they're makin' a big old Texas size mistake..

Hey Martin and friends, have you been able to get to the bottom of the PB&J mystery? We all should be searching out just who serves up PB&J and who does not. Do they offer it at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel coffee shop?

The Brown Derby used to offer it as a choice in the 1940s but I'm not sure if they offer it now at their Disneyland locations.

Martin Pal Mar 17, 2014 5:34 PM

Happy St. Patrick's Quake
 
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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6497368)
It also made a list of earthquake-vulnerable buildings in 1979... I guess it was retrofitted, and I'm glad it--and you--survived, ER.

I worked on the second floor of a two-story building similar to this one that underwent retrofitting, right before the big quake of 1994. (And it's my opinion if our building had not been retrofitted, at least some parts of the outside walls would have collapsed.) If your business is tryng to stay open during the process it is not particularly enjoyable. It's akin to putting toothpicks in large sandwiches so they don't fall apart.

If you look at the photo below, on the left, notice the area in between the first and second floors. You see what look to be small squares, which are metal plates, and what looks in the photo like a small dot is the bolt end of a long metal rod that's been inserted between the floors. It entails the ripping up inside of several feet from the wall end of the second floor, or first floor ceiling, depending on how the owner(s) want it done. This job looks to be quite well-done and uniform. Often they are not. I've seen the rows of metal plates and/or bolts on many buildings to be haphazard and not uniform at all, including the plates which could appear square or diamond shape or any which way along the row, especially if they are on the brick wall sides facing alleys. And this building is one of very few I've seen with these painted over.

Also, I am not sure at all if other cities in the U.S. do earthquake retrofitting like this, but I have seen movies shot in locations where it is supposed to be New York, say, and I'll see scenes in alleys where you see these retrofitted bolts and I have to believe they were shot in Los Angeles. (Like Spiderman, for one.)

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6497106)
The back of the building is exposed brick.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/560/th9n.jpg
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6497546)
I heard there was a smallish earthquake in Los Angeles this morning.

And, yes, E_R, there was a 4.4 jolt this morning about 6:25 a.m. Normally, 5.0 is where you'll definitely notice one no matter what time of day. Anything less than that and you may or may not depending where you are, but this one this morning woke me up and reminded me of the 1994 one in the way it was shaking. (It was more like an up & down jolt. Often times the quake is a "rolling" quake which feels more like a swing--the ground rolls back and forth.) Coupled with the fact it was a shallow quake and not deep underground and that it was centered in the Westwood area which is rather close, all those factors produced a very noticeable jolt. (And it lasted only about 10 seconds, unlike '94 which I believe was like 20-30 seconds.)

(I must reference that even though it was centered about 5 miles below the surface, geologists consider that a "shallow" quake and refer to it as "near the surface.")

By the way, some friends/relatives who have never experienced an earthquake seem to think that 10-20 seconds isn't that big a deal when talking about earthquakes. I always take their hand and then shake it wildly and count -- one-thousand one, one-thousand two, one-thousand three...etc. Then they usually say, "I get it!" :hyper:

ProphetM Mar 17, 2014 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6497533)
This is what the downtown skyline looked when I lived in L.A.

1984
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...90/31/k3um.jpg
old file of mine

I didn't realize there was a skybridge/walkway connected to city hall. Is it still there?

Yes, it's still there.

Martin Pal Mar 17, 2014 5:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Blaster (Post 6497547)
Yeah, THE OUTSIDE MAN really got around LA, using a lot of early 70's locations. I particularly recall that glass elevator on the outside of the building just west of Tower Records on the Sunset Strip.

Yes, Georgia Engel rides in it! After we saw the film (three of us) we drove around a bit looking for some of the filming locations, including a bar on Sunset, the Beverly Hills mansion predominantly used, recognizable because of the gate, and we definitely wanted to drive by this building on Sunset, because we knew of it. We were, however, sad to discover that wonderful elevator was gone. And you're correct, it was next to Tower records to the west. We didn't think the building had been torn down, though, as much as just heavily remodeled. Very sad to see that iconic elevator on Sunset gone, though. If one ever saw it, you wouldn't forget it there!

One thing about going to movies, especially classic ones, in L.A., is that you can have a subsidiary good time by visiting a filming location or two, either before or afterwards! I remember going to Bugsy Siegel's house after we saw a screening of Bugsy a few years ago. Around the same time before we went to see Aviator we toured the route where Howard Hughes crash landed his plane in Beverly Hills, which made watching the scene even more exciting. And if one sees Double Indemnity it's always a hoot to visit that house in the Hills above Hollywood or the Alto Nido apartments when viewing Sunset Blvd., why not if you can! L.A. Confidential can require an entire day! Heh!

ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 5:53 PM

You have to see this clip of the KTLA news anchors diving under their desk during this morning's earthquake.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/856/n1hm.jpg
http://www.entertainmentwise.com/new...rthquake-WATCH

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jballou Mar 17, 2014 6:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5563295)
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7...ULLLABELSd.jpgUSCDL

My labels on an aerial that must date from between 1916, when the Marlborough School moved to 3rd Street from 23rd, near St. James Park, and 1920, when the third part of Windsor Square opened (above 3rd St and between Larchmont and Irving, north, more or less, to Beverly Blvd. (Btw, at this point Beverly was still called Temple on insurance maps.)

The north-south line of trees between Plymouth and Lucerne marks the boundary of the first two sections of Windsor Square... somewhere in the noirish past I posted some pics showing how the surfaces of some east-west streets change abruptly at that boundary--concrete in Windsor Square, asphalt in the Windsor Hills addition....

Since I went a little overboard with the labels, here's the original shot...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...2520AM.bmp.jpgUSCDL
(USC has identified this shot as including a view of West Adams. It doesn't.)

Thank you!!!! I know this was posted a while ago, but I was able to locate a house that I recently worked on on Lorraine. Weird to see the area with NO trees!!!!

HossC Mar 17, 2014 6:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6497561)

Could it be Chaffey High School in Ontario, CA? I found a set of photos of their 1952 Aquacade in the USC Digital Library. The description mentions "the school's plunge". The picture below shows their pool - it's certainly similar to the one above. There's also a reference from the Chaffey High School "Class of 1930" on e-yearbook.com that says "This year marked an improvement in the Chaffey plunge. Clorinators and much new equipment was put in."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...haffeyPool.jpg
Google Maps

Martin Pal Mar 17, 2014 6:25 PM

Here's a link to a blogpost about The Outside Man, done within the last year, showing photos of around twenty-five Los Angeles locations used in the film. (Some of the photos are missing.) The poster says the Medallion apartments were torn down and replaced by the IAC building, but looking at photos of the IAC building it looks to me as though it was just remodeled.

The poster also says that the French version of this film is slightly longer and includes an additional sequence filmed on Ventura Boulevard.

http://movie-tourist.blogspot.com/20...-man-1972.html

ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 6:36 PM

I think you're probably correct about the Chaffey Plunge HossC, though I've never heard a school call their swimming pool a plunge.
The people (students?) in the vintage photograph seem to be lounging around, as opposed to a structured swimming class.
Maybe the pool was open during summer vacation which would account for the lax attitude.





where's the beef?
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/842/eg7c.jpgebay
just ask alice.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/849/07u0.jpg
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ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 6:47 PM

The Wright & Callender Building.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/208/e53n.jpg

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/21/6sh9.jpg
ebay

ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 6:59 PM

California Federal in 1967
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/856/eczj.jpgebay

today
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/822/wli8.jpg
GSV

GaylordWilshire Mar 17, 2014 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6497546)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/838/gfqi.jpg
ebay

I heard there was a 4.7 earthquake in Los Angeles this morning.


A little rest-home noir...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-z...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l...2520PM.bmp.jpg
LAT May 3, 1941/March 2, 1943


Shocking, all this happening hard by Berkeley Square, still hanging on to its gentility.... Just behind the trees to the right in your shot, ER, is the big house of attorney Lee Allen Phillips (he was also the original builder of Pickfair)--4 Berkeley Square was just changing hands for the first time since 1913. Later, Big Daddy Grace and his five-inch fingernails would round out the list of illustrious personages to live at #4.

jballou Mar 17, 2014 8:53 PM

Found some information on the Card Houses in Sugar Hill. Guess it was named this area in the 1950's, before that is was known as West Adam Heights.
I am interested on Oxford street as I have a friend that lives there, now I am looking for Vintage photos of the area/place.

But did stumble upon this flikr site that I found a lot of the info.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kansas_...n/photostream/

"12 – Patrick Fitzwilliam. 2057 S Oxford Ave. 1903. (Note: This is first of three houses owned by C I D Moore in West Adams Heights – 1903 to 1906, 2057 S Oxford Ave; 1906 to 1908; 2071 S Hobart Blvd; 1908 - 1937, 2242 S Hobart Blvd.)



This handsome house was originally built for Charles Moore, an executive of Consolidated Life (Pacific Mutual). Most likely he built this house to help spur interest in the burgeoning neighborhood, the neighborhood and association having been created by his employer Frederick Rindge, on Harvard Blvd. In 1906 C I D Moore sold the house to Patrick Fitzwilliam to build another house at 2071 S Hobart Blvd. According to the 1909 City Directory Patrick Fitzwilliam was a clerk at the Pacific Crockery and Tinnery. It seems like a rather expensive purchase for a clerk, however, his wife, Mrs. Ann Rose Fitzwilliam, came from Austin and was the sister of Governor Ross of Texas. She died 11/26/1892, apparently leaving her estate to her husband. The 1910 Census shows him living here with his two daughters Katy and Ammie Lourie, and a son Robert Lee. The house’s roof line looks as if it’s missing a gable or two. Although there’s no direct proof, it appears the house may have had an attic fire at some point."

http://www.temeculavalleymotoringent...misc/house.jpg
Flickr Kansas Sebastian

ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 9:58 PM

:previous: That's some really good research jballou. -quite interesting.




I've often wondered about that dome atop the old Trinity Auditorium building.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...0/541/w63v.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/8822/rec/2



Brigham Yen has posted several photographs on his blog DTLA RISING.
http://brighamyen.com/2014/03/12/bre...m-downtown-la/

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/41/vore.jpg
rooftop with the future swimming pool (for the Empire Hotel)



interior of the dome
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/24/f64v.jpg
Mr. Yen thinks the rotunda space will likely become a bar restaurant/lounge.


the dome's beautiful skylights
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/823/wu8l.jpg
http://brighamyen.com/2014/03/12/bre...m-downtown-la/
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..and downstairs.

Mr. Yen also posted this photograph of the exquisite auditorium ceiling.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/823/6rwa.jpg
http://brighamyen.com/2014/03/12/bre...m-downtown-la/


the auditorium
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/208/gdbd.jpg
http://brighamyen.com/2014/03/12/bre...m-downtown-la/


...more photographs are here. (you really should see them)
http://brighamyen.com/2014/03/12/bre...m-downtown-la/

GaylordWilshire Mar 17, 2014 10:50 PM

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/--...2520PM.bmp.jpghttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0...2520PM.bmp.jpg
LAT March 26, 1923/LA Sentinel Sept 17, 1964/LA Herald Feb 1, 1906 (before the address changes in the neighborhood we've discussed here before (#19400).


jballou... I'm still not sure what you're referring to by "card houses"--presumably that there were here and there on Sugar Hill gambling houses such as might have been Allen and Sara Durette's interesting operation in the old William Gustavus Hunt house at 3 Berkeley Square

"Sugar Hill' came into use in the early '40s as prosperous African-Americans began to move into the neighborhood, often in violation of deed restrictions. As I understand it, some wanted to call it "Blueberry Hill" rather than "Sugar" to distinguish it from the fancy precinct in Harlem, but "Sugar" won out probably because it did suggest the original (and maybe since "sugar" is what we all really want, good as blueberries can be). As the '40s evolved and brave pioneers such as Hattie McDaniel, Louise Beavers, and prominent neighborhood professionals such as Dr. William Clyde Allen of Berkeley Square fought for and succeeded in winning the abolition of the covenants by the US Supreme Court in 1948, the name became even more significant.


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Originally Posted by jballou (Post 6498063)
Found some information on the Card Houses in Sugar Hill. Guess it was named this area in the 1950's, before that is was known as West Adam Heights.
I am interested on Oxford street as I have a friend that lives there, now I am looking for Vintage photos of the area/place.

But did stumble upon this flikr site that I found a lot of the info.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kansas_...n/photostream/

"12 – Patrick Fitzwilliam. 2057 S Oxford Ave. 1903. (Note: This is first of three houses owned by C I D Moore in West Adams Heights – 1903 to 1906, 2057 S Oxford Ave; 1906 to 1908; 2071 S Hobart Blvd; 1908 - 1937, 2242 S Hobart Blvd.)

This handsome house was originally built for Charles Moore, an executive of Consolidated Life (Pacific Mutual). Most likely he built this house to help spur interest in the burgeoning neighborhood, the neighborhood and association having been created by his employer Frederick Rindge, on Harvard Blvd. In 1906 C I D Moore sold the house to Patrick Fitzwilliam to build another house at 2071 S Hobart Blvd. According to the 1909 City Directory Patrick Fitzwilliam was a clerk at the Pacific Crockery and Tinnery. It seems like a rather expensive purchase for a clerk, however, his wife, Mrs. Ann Rose Fitzwilliam, came from Austin and was the sister of Governor Ross of Texas. She died 11/26/1892, apparently leaving her estate to her husband. The 1910 Census shows him living here with his two daughters Katy and Ammie Lourie, and a son Robert Lee. The house’s roof line looks as if it’s missing a gable or two. Although there’s no direct proof, it appears the house may have had an attic fire at some point."

http://i.imgur.com/Mlaatvy.jpg?1?9127
Flickr Kansas Sebastian


ethereal_reality Mar 17, 2014 11:13 PM

woman pumping gas/Gilmore Field is visible in the background.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/827/dry8.jpg
old file of mine




Gilmore Field. pan right--->
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/842/pmk3.jpgebay


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