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WS1911 Jun 19, 2013 7:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6169823)
At what point in time did city officials decide to dead-end Bellevue Avenue?

Here it is in 1897
http://imageshack.us/a/img855/60/ad69.jpg
http://www.historicmapworks.com/


Thanks, ER for this great post and your follow-up on Bellevue Avenue. Can you provide a direct link to this particular 1897 map? I went to Historic Mapworks using your link but got lost!

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belmont bob Jun 19, 2013 7:30 PM

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Originally Posted by belmont bob (Post 6170082)
ER, Regarding Bellevue being cut-off. I think it’s the same as several streets in the Echo Park/Edendale area where some streets are laid out on maps but the terrain just is too steep to make them safe or practical. I was born in Edendale on Ewing Street west of Glendale and over the top of the Hill looking down from Apex Street, Ewing runs only half way up the eastern side from Silver Lake area. Plenty of others streets that feature steep stairways to bridge gaps in the road in that area.

On the out buildings at the County Hospital, that foot bridge and buildings can be clearly seen on the 1948 and 1952 historic aerials. The power plant is also visible. By the 1972 aerial both are gone. The concrete “bridge” is still there as of the latest Google imaging. Which brings to mind the beautiful old brick building which I believe is part of the County Coroner’s facility and maybe was part of the original hospital. I don’t think I’ve seen it on this forum before. Seems to me that place ought to be spelled Coronoir :koko:

BTW, the decision to not run the street through would have started with the civil engineer and city planners would have to buy off. That would seem to cover the basics.

Needed to add that in today’s world of city planning most residential neighborhoods are designed to reduce through traffic and where it can’t be avoided to employ “traffic calming” measure to reduce speeds. Things like speed bumps or traffic circles or abrupt turns, multiple stop signs, etc. will keep speeds down and discourage use by those in a hurry. In early Edendale the streets were laid out in straight lines regardless of the terrain, only to be judged as impractical on some segments by the engineers. These breaks also had the result of discouraging through traffic in residential areas.

However, just becasue the street is not constructed doesn't mean that maps will always reflect the actual condition.

tovangar2 Jun 19, 2013 8:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6169714)
thx T2. I'm still trying to figure out it's exact location....this helps.

I'm pretty sure the section of Lake Shore Avenue shown is now Glendale Blvd. That would place Bob Baker's Marionette Theater in, or on the south shore of, what was Second Street Park Lake.

GaylordWilshire Jun 19, 2013 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by belmont bob (Post 6170082)

On the out buildings at the County Hospital, that foot bridge and buildings can be clearly seen on the 1948 and 1952 historic aerials. The power plant is also visible. By the 1972 aerial both are gone. The concrete “bridge” is still there as of the latest Google imaging. Which brings to mind the beautiful old brick building which I believe is part of the County Coroner’s facility and maybe was part of the original hospital. I don’t think I’ve seen it on this forum before. Seems to me that place ought to be spelled Coronoir :koko:


Here are a couple of posts on the coroner's office:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8125

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=8137

ethereal_reality Jun 19, 2013 9:43 PM

:previous: I had forgotten how interesting the old coronoir's (thx for the new word belmont_bob) office is.
I sure wish 3940dxer was still around.

WS1911, I'll try and find a new link to that 1897 map.
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ethereal_reality Jun 19, 2013 9:58 PM

While searching for more information on the long forgotten Edendale Meteor, I came across this fine photograph.

http://imageshack.us/a/img694/5872/5nkg.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/metrolibraryarchive/

sorry if it's been posted before.
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ethereal_reality Jun 19, 2013 10:14 PM

And we thought those backyard incinerators were bad!

http://imageshack.us/a/img585/2633/9zs.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/metroli...ve/8972231169/

Los Angeles Railway engineer John Dempsey in front of a newly installed incinerator at Vernon Yard 1929.
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belmont bob Jun 19, 2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 6170244)
I'm pretty sure the section of Lake Shore Avenue shown is now Glendale Blvd. That would place Bob Baker's Marionette Theater in, or on the south shore of, what was Second Street Park Lake.

I think you are spot-on with that. Yes Glendale Blvd. used to be called Lake Shore until the connection up through Edendale was made. This is right accross 1st. St. from the old subway entry. The Vista Hermosa Park is just down the street which came out of the Belmont Learning Center mess.

belmont bob Jun 19, 2013 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6170278)

Just shows how good a memory I have...been through this forum three times and didn't remember those....:shrug:

ethereal_reality Jun 19, 2013 10:47 PM

L.A. noir in the news

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/8947/mo59.jpg
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/06/19/550...ollywoods.html
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ethereal_reality Jun 19, 2013 11:14 PM

Here is the correct link for the 1897 map WS1911.
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/...and=calisphere

http://imageshack.us/a/img90/3469/vo1.jpg
enjoy!

CityBoyDoug Jun 19, 2013 11:22 PM

Got matches?
 
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6170400)
And we thought those backyard incinerators were bad!

http://imageshack.us/a/img585/2633/9zs.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/metroli...ve/8972231169/

Los Angeles Railway engineer John Dempsey in front of a newly installed incinerator at Vernon Yard 1929.
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At the right we see the dreaded incinerators for sale by the side of the road. I believe this is Alhambra's Valley Blvd., sometime in the 1930s.

The various types for sale are shown.


Here's more on these noxious contraptions: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4828

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6...cinerators.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ps4a2ad085.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psf4424cf9.jpg

tovangar2 Jun 19, 2013 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6170451)
L.A. noir in the news

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Tragic. (If one wants current LA noir,and happens to have a Twitter account, one might follow @LAScanner)

ethereal_reality Jun 19, 2013 11:42 PM

CBD, I never imagined the incinerators being sold like that. I pictured them in Sears. Were they sold in vacant lots like christmas trees?
kinda kidding...kinda not. :)
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Flyingwedge Jun 20, 2013 12:40 AM

More Charnock + 5th and Main environs
 
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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 6121726)

Let's start off with the 1894 Sanborn Map from LAPL, SE corner of 5th and Main; "Charnock Block" runs along 5th Street:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps7736bc8d.jpg

This is the 1906 Sanborn Map from LAPL. The Charnock Block has expanded south to include 504-506 S. Main. The 1910 Baist Map (http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/19467/Plate+002/) identifies the building at 508-510 S. Main as the Hotel Rennie:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pscf4f4e98.jpg

I couldn't find any close-up, street-level photos of the Charnock from its early days, and the aerial views, like this c. 1904 photo looking north on Main, seem to be from the same side of the street, so you only see the Charnock's roof and upper wall, which has the Lee Bros. wall sign. Note the Hotel Lexington; the flag flying from atop the hotel to its north is emblazoned Rosslyn. Across Main Street from the Lexington . . . is that the c. 1892 Post Office/Federal Building being demolished? We've seen that building here before, but I forget why it had such a short life. It's not on the 1888 or 1906 Sanborns, nor was it replaced by anything especially notable.
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psea38e3a6.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/3573/rec/41

This is a c. 1900-1909 (though later than the previous photo) view looking north on Main Street. The Lexington has become the Rosslyn, but no Baltimore Hotel (b. 1910) yet at the SW corner of 5th and Los Angeles (at the right edge of the photo). The King Edward Hotel is at the NW corner of 5th and Los Angeles, and the old round Panorama of the Battle of Paris building is still extant near the top center of the photo.
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psaac62c6d.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/3589/rec/42

Baltimore Hotel ahoy! There's no Rosslyn Annex on the SW corner of 5th and Main, so this must be a pre-1923 photo. The Charnock Block is the 2nd building west of the Baltimore on 5th Street. It looks like there was a balcony over the alley on the east side of the Charnock Block.
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps531a0729.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg1.lapl.org/spnb01/00007002.jpg

I like this c. 1917 photo showing three iterations of Rosslyns (the big building with the rooftop sign being the third):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps90db79c2.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/1454/rec/21

One more roof shot, from c. 1917. Presumably, the "5th & Main Drugs" sign is the same, though altered, as the "5th & Main Pharmacy" sign in my post with the 1911 night shots (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...stcount=15128). You can just barely see two of the rooftop skylights on the Charnock's southern addition:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2b44432f.jpg
USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../17452/rec/265

1930. That corner office with the fireplace must have been nice:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps55b4127b.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics09/00014120.jpg

1965:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9acc65d4.jpg
LAPL (William Reagh) -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/spnb1/00017170.jpg

1970 (I think I see some post-1970 cars, though):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps17d51478.jpg
LAPL (Victor Plukas) -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics09/00014125.jpg

1973:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps375ba9a0.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067397.jpg

November 6, 1988. "Yvonne, a resident of the Pershing Hotel (located at 502 S. Main Street), has a lot to smile about: She'll soon come home to a renovated apartment. Marquee for hotel may be seen in the background."
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5986c7fb.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics40/00054939.jpg

Entrance to Pershing Hotel, June 2013 (all color shots by me):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psb55f1a74.jpg

Wider view of Main Street frontage:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3bb2d0c7.jpg

Second story detail. I hope they restore that chimney:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psd0dee624.jpg

Looking southeast:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps985333be.jpg

Fifth Street frontage:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps47f0244d.jpg

As to the Charnock's restoration, I'm dubious as to how it will look with new construction sticking out of the top. All I can think of is the De Young Building in San Francisco (the one on Market Street, not the museum in Golden Gate Park). Yuck!

WS1911 Jun 20, 2013 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6170491)



ER, thanks so much for this! It's the best L. A. map I've seen from this era. Too bad we can't download it in a large size or buy a printed version.

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tovangar2 Jun 20, 2013 1:47 AM

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Originally Posted by belmont bob (Post 6170401)
I think you are spot-on with that. Yes Glendale Blvd. used to be called Lake Shore until the connection up through Edendale was made. This is right accross 1st. St. from the old subway entry. The Vista Hermosa Park is just down the street which came out of the Belmont Learning Center mess.

The new Vista Hermosa Park borders on Toluca, placing it directly across that street from the site of the vanished Second Street Park. Pretty neat really. It's like someone just turned the page. I don't remember the old park being discussed when the new park was planned and opened. The neighborhood was very patient to wait 100 years to get their park back.

Vista Hermosa Park, directly to the east of the site of Second Street Park. After Second Street Park reverted to real estate, Douglas was extended through the site from the north (apparently losing an "s" in the process):
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N...23227%2BAM.jpg
google maps

Second Street Park, shown in 1897 as an empty trapezoid bounded by Lake Shore (Glendale), Colton, 1st and Toluca (below):
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p...14223%2BAM.jpg
http://imgzoom.cdlib.org/Fullscreen....and=calisphere

DGMiller Jun 20, 2013 1:52 AM

Hi, everyone. I just discovered this place and have an interest in the "noirish" era of Los Angeles. Does anybody know of an online source for good maps of LA anytime between 1947-1956? Please forgive if I ask stupid questions. I'm trying to learn. I've had trouble finding decent maps of the period to help me follow along.

I've been reading this thread like crazy, but I have a lot of catching up to do.

ethereal_reality Jun 20, 2013 2:09 AM

Welcome to 'noirish Los Angeles' DGMiller.
For a start, there are many maps available on line at the Los Angeles Public Library.
http://www.lapl.org/collections-reso...map-collection

I have a 1947 Los Angeles street map, so if you have a particular area in mind I can scan it for you.
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Flyingwedge Jun 20, 2013 2:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DGMiller (Post 6170681)
Hi, everyone. I just discovered this place and have an interest in the "noirish" era of Los Angeles. Does anybody know of an online source for good maps of LA anytime between 1947-1956? Please forgive if I ask stupid questions. I'm trying to learn. I've had trouble finding decent maps of the period to help me follow along.

I've been reading this thread like crazy, but I have a lot of catching up to do.

Welcome!

Historic Map Works has a 1949 Rennie Atlas:
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sear...s+1949&x=0&y=0

and a 1956 Thomas Bros. Guide:
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Sear...s+1956&x=0&y=0


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