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John Maddox Roberts May 14, 2016 2:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7441204)
Very good point Martin. I had not thought of that angle. Yes, the Canteen could well have been a stags-only venue. That would make sense to me.
It was not really designed as a place for "Service Men" to look for female dates.

The WACS, the WAVES and the Lady Marines were on their own to find entertainment... elsewhere.

It was a different culture in those days...more respectful and innocent.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psesmqlfvy.jpg
CD file - Hollywood

A popular song of that era. It still rocks...click link:

https://youtu.be/NqAmrUEnc1g

What a great picture. It's just been raining - puddles about, and some of the guys have their raincoats over their arms. that sort of detail makes these photos have an immediacy more formal pictures would lack. Incidentally, does anyone know if the Canteen had any sort of separate facilities for officers and enlisted men? The services of the day really frowned on fraternizing,though the Hollywood facility would probably have emphasized all-American egalitarianism.

Wig-Wag May 14, 2016 3:23 AM

Update on Los Angeles Transit Line Streetcar 1435
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by broadwy_central_bldg (Post 7377595)
I'm not sure if it's been discussed recently; I tried searching and this was the best post I could find.

Does anyone know where they moved this old LARY car? Until a few weeks ago it was still here in the old garage adjacent to the Subway Terminal Building near 5th and Hill-- I walked by it every weekend morning. But it was moved away, presumably while they begin work on the new mall that's going in on this site, and in advance of the Park Fifth development that is supposedly finally happening...

I'm hoping someone on this thread knows what happened to car 1435-- maybe it ended up at a museum? Does anyone have any clues?

See: http://www.atrrm.org/blog/2016/03/th...-of-latl-1435/

Cheers,
Jack

Wig-Wag May 14, 2016 3:29 AM

Update on Los Angeles Transit Line Streetcar 1435
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/sho...spx?id=2001002

Quote:

Originally Posted by broadwy_central_bldg (Post 7377595)
I'm not sure if it's been discussed recently; I tried searching and this was the best post I could find.

Does anyone know where they moved this old LARY car? Until a few weeks ago it was still here in the old garage adjacent to the Subway Terminal Building near 5th and Hill-- I walked by it every weekend morning. But it was moved away, presumably while they begin work on the new mall that's going in on this site, and in advance of the Park Fifth development that is supposedly finally happening...

I'm hoping someone on this thread knows what happened to car 1435-- maybe it ended up at a museum? Does anyone have any clues?

See: http://www.atrrm.org/blog/2016/03/th...-of-latl-1435/

Cheers,
Jack

BDiH May 14, 2016 3:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts (Post 7441340)
What a great picture. It's just been raining - puddles about, and some of the guys have their raincoats over their arms. that sort of detail makes these photos have an immediacy more formal pictures would lack. Incidentally, does anyone know if the Canteen had any sort of separate facilities for officers and enlisted men? The services of the day really frowned on fraternizing,though the Hollywood facility would probably have emphasized all-American egalitarianism.

The Pep Boys in the distance (on Sunset, between Wilcox & Cahuenga) closed in the 1960s and moved to the current location on Hollywood Boulevard, near Gower.

BDiH May 14, 2016 3:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7440917)
A great related photo: Here's Carmen Miranda dancing on a car at Hollywood & Vine during the VJ Day celebration in 1945.

(Melody Lane in the background.)

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...0V-J%20Day.jpg

This was on gsjansen's Flickr account, a frequent poster on NLA at one time, but he had never posted it here before.

P.S.: If the police want to arrest you in West Hollywood, they don't read you your Miranda rights...they read you your Carmen Miranda rights. :cop:

Poor Carmen. As Cesar Romero said, "Towards the end, Carmen had trouble, because she never changed. After a few years of that, there was no novelty anymore."

CityBoyDoug May 14, 2016 4:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts (Post 7441340)
What a great picture. It's just been raining - puddles about, and some of the guys have their raincoats over their arms. that sort of detail makes these photos have an immediacy more formal pictures would lack. Incidentally, does anyone know if the Canteen had any sort of separate facilities for officers and enlisted men? The services of the day really frowned on fraternizing,though the Hollywood facility would probably have emphasized all-American egalitarianism.

Hollywood Canteen

I know that officers would not attend this sort of venue....for many reasons.

First off, their mere presence there would be awkward and they would, by military tradition, always go to the front of the waiting line.

Plus, the entire theme was an enlisted men's club anyway. Officers would never be inside such a raunchy place as the Canteen. Its just too low-class for their supposed high status.

Finally, officers would know better than to go to the Canteen. Officer's Regulations & Rules strictly forbid such fraternization.

Want to find military officers in the Hollywood area....we might try the Cocoanut Grove at the Ambassador Hotel.

Oh, incidentally, officers do 'fraternize' with enlisted types but that's another story for another day.

Ed Workman May 14, 2016 5:00 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;7440019]I realize this is Long Beach, but I'm not sure of the exact location.

below: Is this a sailor leaving the premises?

Why not Long Beach - Ocean Ave?
The dash sign a problem?
Should be okay as the last stop before the yards next to the river channel
The PE depot may even be behind the Blimp
Anyways, if the buildings are on O Ave that's the best place to start
Too 'nice' for San Pedro ST

HossC May 14, 2016 7:16 PM

This Julius Shulman photoset contains 60 images. About 3/4 of them show the building's construction, but I've chosen a dozen photos of the finished structure. It's "Job 1445: Sidney Eisenshtat and Sam Reisbord, Jewish Community Center (Los Angeles, Calif.),1953".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

Here's the main entrance of the Westside Jewish Community Center.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

The parking lot and basketball courts at the rear.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

A closer view of the building.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

I'm not sure what the raised levels and curved walls in this area were used for.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

A last view of the exterior.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

The curves continue inside. Is it just me, or are those exposed bricks quite large.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

The small portion of bookshelf that's visible on the left makes me think that we're looking at a library/reading area.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original

The cafeteria/restaurant.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original

The facility also includes a gym...

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original

... a swimming pool...

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

... and a theater.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

The center is still standing at 5870 W Olympic Boulevard. This GSV image is actually from 2014 because there are far less trees blocking the view.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
GSV

ethereal_reality May 14, 2016 10:09 PM

Fantastic pics and conversation on the Hollywood Canteen folks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7440891)

Hostesses Olivia DeHavilland and Joan Fontaine.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...0hostesses.jpgGetty Images

Notice their official arm bands.

:previous:M P, this is actually Olivia de Havilland and Anne Shirley.

"Olivia de Havilland and Anne Shirley at the Hollywood Canteen, c. 1943. Senior hosts/hostesses at the Canteen wore cloth armbands of red and white stripewith a blue star
and the initials 'HC' in white so the servicemen could distinguish them. (Junior hosts/hostesses wore solid red cloth armbands with a blue star and the 'HC' initials in white."


I certainly didn't know about the hierarchy of the armbands.

I'm curious, did you have to flip the Getty image M P? I noticed it's wrong on the Getty_images web site.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...hoto/491440242
___
excerpt from:
http://www.imgrum.net/media/96329559...586_1601928153





I happened upon this photograph earlier this evening.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/welu3z.jpg
http://moviestarmakeover.com/categor...ywood-canteen/


This is the first I've heard of a 'Hollywood Canteen Convoy Car'. So how did this work....did it deliver servicemen from nearby hotels?

(also,the lovely ladies in this photograph aren't named...does anyone recognize them)
_

Wig-Wag May 14, 2016 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7441863)
Fantastic pics and conversation on the Hollywood Canteen folks.


:previous:M P, this is actually Olivia de Havilland and Anne Shirley.

"Olivia de Havilland and Anne Shirley at the Hollywood Canteen, c. 1943. Senior hosts/hostesses at the Canteen wore cloth armbands of red and white stripewith a blue star
and the initials 'HC' in white so the servicemen could distinguish them. (Junior hosts/hostesses wore solid red cloth armbands with a blue star and the 'HC' initials in white."


I certainly didn't know about the hierarchy of the armbands.

I'm curious, did you have to flip the Getty image M P? I noticed it's wrong on the Getty_images web site.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...hoto/491440242
___
excerpt from:
http://www.imgrum.net/media/96329559...586_1601928153





I just happened upon this photograph.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/welu3z.jpg
http://moviestarmakeover.com/categor...ywood-canteen/


This is the first I've heard of a 'Hollywood Canteen Convoy Car'. So how did this work....did it deliver servicemen from nearby hotels?

(also,the lovely ladies in this photograph aren't named...does anyone recognize them)
_

I haven't a clue as to who they are but they've sure got nice gams!

Cheers,
Jack

ethereal_reality May 14, 2016 11:13 PM

:previous: Nice gams indeed Jack. ;)




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/gxduGZ.jpgebay

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7440368)
The yard where the buses were parked (between Maple Avenue and Wall Street) appears to have been an extension of the bus terminal behind the Pacific Electric Building. I've arrowed the T-shaped building with the roof-top parking. The 640 S Wall Street address would have been on the other side of Wall Street. The image below on the left is from 1952, and shows the elevated streetcar lines at the back of the Pacific Electric Building. The advertising for Downtown Ford was probably designed to be read by the streetcar passengers. By 1964 (below, right), the elevated tracks have gone, although the buses are still parked in the same area. The T-shaped building was gone by 1972.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Historic Aerials

:previous: Thanks for the aerials Hoss!



Here are a few more pics I recently found on eBay that show the elevated streetcar lines behind the Pacific Electric Terminal (and the terminal building itself).

We've seen the elevated lines before on NLA, but I believe these images are new (to NLA)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/d2x1HJ.jpg
eBay






http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/pjA5UR.jpg
eBay





http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/wyUUfe.jpg
eBay

note the bright red Mobilgas pumps...over there------->


and finally, a couple views of the inside of one of the buses.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/uosn4Z.jpg
eBay


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/AR5aBJ.jpg
ebay

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ethereal_reality May 14, 2016 11:54 PM

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/91LwZD.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 7441247)
And here's Ocean east from Pine in an earlier era . . .

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/...psskjnxuqu.jpg
odinthor collection

Thanks for locating the 'mystery' photograph odinthor.

This sepia photograph is great! I see a person could buy cigars and shells. ;)
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Martin Pal May 15, 2016 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7441401)
Hollywood Canteen

I know that officers would not attend this sort of venue....for many reasons.
First off, their mere presence there would be awkward and they would, by military tradition, always go to the front of the waiting line.
Plus, the entire theme was an enlisted men's club anyway. Officers would never be inside such a raunchy place as the Canteen. Its just too low-class for their supposed high status.
Finally, officers would know better than to go to the Canteen. Officer's Regulations & Rules strictly forbid such fraternization.
Want to find military officers in the Hollywood area....we might try the Cocoanut Grove at the Ambassador Hotel.

Oh, incidentally, officers do 'fraternize' with enlisted types but that's another story for another day.

The Ambassador...or the Biltmore Bar, perhaps?

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Maddox Roberts (Post 7441340)
Incidentally, does anyone know if the Canteen had any sort of separate facilities for officers and enlisted men? The services of the day really frowned on fraternizing,though the Hollywood facility would probably have emphasized all-American egalitarianism.

A quote from a soldier reminiscing about visiting the Canteen:

"It was the only good place in the country where the boys could go but the officers couldn't.
They could go anywhere. The GI's didn't have money to go anywhere."
___

The Canteen was to be used exclusively by enlisted servicemen of the United States and Allied Nations.
No military officers would be permitted on the floor at any time; civilians who were not connected with
the entertainment business would also be prohibited.
___

"The Canteen cost a great deal to run since everything was free to the guests, but not everything
the Canteen needed was donated and to gain some income for their needs the "Angel's Table" was born,
at which four people each paid $25 for the privilege to sit and watch the goings on inside the Canteen.

Located on a raised dais in the southeast corner in the back of the main room, and covered with a
gold-fringed cloth,the table was sold out every night for weeks in advance.

The idea was so popular that a second table was added. On average, these tables brought in $6,000 a
month, and was one of the best sources of revenue for meeting the Canteen's operating expenses."
___

Here's two photos showing the two tables on the raised dais in the corner:

Extreme right, below center:
https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img...QYTYCMailk.jpg

Close up:

https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img...JyHa1z9gsg.jpg


I guess they used it for other occasion's, too. Here's Joan Leslie passing out pieces of her birthday cake to the servicemen
from this, according to the wall sign, "Reserved for Special Guests" area. The cake says: "Joan, from the Boys of the
Hollywood Canteen."

https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img...Q.VqzRJyMU.jpg
___

SIDEBAR: In reading about the Canteen's expenses, one of these expenses was "a single-page, legal sized mimeographed sheet titled "Chatter"
and was created soon after it opened. It was handed out to servicemen as they walked through the doors. It covered entertainment highlights,
the following week's schedule of band's [yay, look what'll be here when we're shipped out!] and tid-bits of information about Hollywood."

I found this surprising as I've never seen any photos of the servicemen holding these sheets; there are no photographs of any of them in the
sources. They don't do it in the film, either. Wonder if they kept these while they were doing it?
___

It appears, though, some officers were allowed into the Canteen, per this: "Besides the 'Angel's Tables', the only other accommodations for special
guests -- but was not income-producing -- was a small room on the second floor where officers and their female companions could look through a
window to watch the night's entertainment. Because the Canteen was for the exclusive use of enlisted men, and no officers were permitted on the first
floor, the second floor arrangement was a comfortable solution all around."

If they weren't allowed, I don't know why they needed a solution, but anyway.


Here's a photo of that room:

https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img...750/HC-032.jpg

Doesn't look that comfortable to sit around and peer through a small window. Also, it looks like the windows could open. I can't totally read that sign on the
wall, but it re-inforces that enlisted men ONLY are allowed on the first floor.


This photo shows the window they're peering through at the center top. (You can see the rocking chair back.) The window to the left of it and under the
clock and Tag Dance sign, is a control room for the stage. (What's a tag dance?)

https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img...zAttz2j84Y.jpg


I believe that this room is also where they sent servicewomen who came to the canteen. They seemed to have been tolerated more than welcomed. If
they wanted to they could go to this room. Most servicewomen seem disappointed that they could go here, but could only observe and not
participate in the activities. It wasn't until mid-1944 that they got some better treatment and were able to go to a more open mezzanine area.


I believe we see that area in this photo in the upper right hand corner:

https://m.psecn.photoshelter.com/img...TAm1rVOeF8.jpg

By the way, the dancing couple are Veloz & Yolanda!
They were previously mentioned in some earlier posts:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=25429
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=30816
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=30858

The Canteen photos and information are form these two sources:
"The Hollywood Canteen" by Mitchell and Torrence
"Dance Floor Democracy" by Sherie Tucker

Martin Pal May 15, 2016 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7441863)
:previous:M P, this is actually Olivia de Havilland and Anne Shirley.

"Olivia de Havilland and Anne Shirley at the Hollywood Canteen, c. 1943. Senior hosts/hostesses at the Canteen wore cloth armbands of red and white stripewith a blue star
and the initials 'HC' in white so the servicemen could distinguish them. (Junior hosts/hostesses wore solid red cloth armbands with a blue star and the 'HC' initials in white."


I certainly didn't know about the hierarchy of the armbands.

I'm curious, did you have to flip the Getty image M P? I noticed it's wrong on the Getty_images web site.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...hoto/491440242
__
excerpt from:
http://www.imgrum.net/media/96329559...586_1601928153
_


E_R, you know what? I wasn't convinced that this photo was Joan, either. I even looked up photos of Joan.
Still wasn't completely convinced, but I didn't think "Getty Images" would be wrong.

But look: The link I gave for the photo is also Getty:

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...hoto/103135609

...and it has it labeled as Olivia and Joan! And reversed. (I wonder which one is correct?
The reversing, I mean, the photo has to be Anne Shirley. I met her once!)

ethereal_reality May 15, 2016 1:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7441928)
...but I didn't think "Getty Images" would be wrong.

But look: The link I gave for the photo is also Getty:

http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...hoto/103135609

...and it has it labeled as Olivia and Joan! And reversed. (I wonder which one is correct?
The reversing, I mean, the photo has to be Anne Shirley. I met her once!)

That's really odd that there are two separate, and nearly identical, Gettyimages web sites.

In terms of the 'reversed' photo; you can tell which one is correct by looking at the initials (H C for Hollywood Canteen) on the arm bands.
So the correct photo, is the one that's mislabeled. (go figure ;))


You met Anne Shirley M P? Do tell.
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Martin Pal May 15, 2016 5:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7441950)
That's really odd that there are two separate, and nearly identical, Gettyimages web sites.

In terms of the 'reversed' photo; you can tell which one is correct by looking at the initials (H C for Hollywood Canteen) on the arm bands.
So the correct photo, is the one that's mislabeled. (go figure ;))

___

Duh! I had figured that out before I posted it already
and then asked! I must be confused today! Oh, well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7441950)
You met Anne Shirley M P? Do tell.
__

___

Not a really great story, but I was a buyer for a small video store chain in the '80's and the store I worked out of was frequented by her son.
One day he brought in his mother and introduced us! We didn't know this was his mother before that. It's registered more as something fascinating
later on than it did at the time, as things sometimes do!

CityBoyDoug May 15, 2016 6:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7441922)
The Ambassador...or the Biltmore Bar, perhaps?




Here's a photo of that room:

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HC-032.jpg

Doesn't look that comfortable to sit around and peer through a small window. Also, it looks like the windows could open. I can't totally read that sign on the
wall, but it re-inforces that enlisted men ONLY are allowed on the first floor.


Great post Martin. Interesting information.

But the idea that officers could sit behind a window and peer down at the enlisted men in the club is creepy in the extreme. But then many of the officers I knew
in my military days were creepy unpleasant people.

Tourmaline May 15, 2016 6:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7441863)
Fantastic pics and conversation on the Hollywood Canteen folks.


:previous:M P, this is actually Olivia de Havilland and Anne Shirley.

"Olivia de Havilland and Anne Shirley at the Hollywood Canteen, c. 1943. Senior hosts/hostesses at the Canteen wore cloth armbands of red and white stripewith a blue star
and the initials 'HC' in white so the servicemen could distinguish them. (Junior hosts/hostesses wore solid red cloth armbands with a blue star and the 'HC' initials in white."


I certainly didn't know about the hierarchy of the armbands.

I'm curious, did you have to flip the Getty image M P? I noticed it's wrong on the Getty_images web site.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...hoto/491440242
___
excerpt from:
http://www.imgrum.net/media/96329559...586_1601928153


I happened upon this photograph earlier this evening.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/welu3z.jpg
http://moviestarmakeover.com/categor...ywood-canteen/


This is the first I've heard of a 'Hollywood Canteen Convoy Car'. So how did this work....did it deliver servicemen from nearby hotels?

(also,the lovely ladies in this photograph aren't named...does anyone recognize them)
_




There are quite a number of Canteen-related photos out there. A few can be found on this nice blog: http://moviestarmakeover.com/category/world-war-ii/, along with some of the back story regarding the Canteen's genesis and the undertakings of John Garfield and Bette Davis, among others. And another: http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/...en-rule-5.html

Although I had not attached any significance to the armbands representing Canteen hostess rankings, I wonder what the Senior and Junior rankings really meant and, for that matter, whether most visiting soldiers, sailors and marines would have recognized any distinctions when it came to popular celebrities.


http://www.soldiersmuseum.com/pages/...od-canteen.jpghttp://www.soldiersmuseum.com/pages/...od-canteen.jpg



http://assets.site-static.com/userFi...age/HC-022.jpghttp://assets.site-static.com/userFi...age/HC-022.jpg



Bud and Lou entertain at the opening.
https://onceuponascreen.files.wordpr...en-opening.jpghttps://onceuponascreen.files.wordpr...en-opening.jpg





Marlene and Rita
http://moviestarmakeover.com/wp-cont...e-and-rita.jpghttp://moviestarmakeover.com/wp-cont...e-and-rita.jpg



Mislabeling celebrities is common. Here the source identifies the Santa Claus as Al Jolson, even though St. Nick seems far more like Eddie Cantor.:shrug:
http://moviestarmakeover.com/wp-cont...teen-bette.jpg




Joseph Yule, a.k.a. Mickey Rooney plays the pagan skins.
http://moviestarmakeover.com/wp-cont...uso-mickey.jpghttp://moviestarmakeover.com/wp-cont...uso-mickey.jpg

http://www.seeing-stars.com/Images/S...ney-5(Ron).jpghttp://www.seeing-stars.com/Images/S...ney-5(Ron).jpg



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mwMjEoKvLZ...dmd4u290io.jpghttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mwMjEoKvLZ...dmd4u290io.jpg


Paulette Goddard(?)
http://assets.site-static.com/userFi...age/HC-003.jpghttp://assets.site-static.com/userFi...age/HC-003.jpg


FWIW, there was a "Stage Door Canteen" located in New York that was featured in a movie by the same name. Pictures of celebrities and service personnel that visited both the Hollywood Canteen and the Stage Door Canteen undoubtedly are confused. Not surprisingly, the Stage Door Canteen Film made use of studio sets in both the Fox Movietone Studio in New York and at RKO Pathé Studios in Los Angeles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stage_...een_%28film%29



http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...anteen_idb.jpghttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...anteen_idb.jpg



http://tribute11.net/Williams/Hollywood_canteen.JPGhttp://tribute11.net/Williams/Hollywood_canteen.JPG



https://jnpickens.files.wordpress.co...od-canteen.jpghttps://jnpickens.files.wordpress.co...od-canteen.jpg

Martin Pal May 15, 2016 8:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7441863)
I happened upon this photograph earlier this evening.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/welu3z.jpg
http://moviestarmakeover.com/categor...ywood-canteen/

This is the first I've heard of a 'Hollywood Canteen Convoy Car'. So how did this work....did it deliver servicemen from nearby hotels?

(also,the lovely ladies in this photograph aren't named...does anyone recognize them)
_

Is this the same car?

http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HC-144.jpg

This was captioned Hollywood Canteen Taxi/Limo parked in front of the Canteen. (It's name is on the driver side door.)

Someone named Jamie on MT's Garden of Allah site suggests:
"They staged regular convoys of cars from the training camps and bases to the canteen. These were usually driven by young women and chaperones not the “stars”. This wasn’t just in Hollywood but anywhere there was a base to bring guys on leave to entertainment and hospitality sites. This was an era with few cars and lots of hitchhiking. The signs indicated safe rides and/or destinations."

Makes sense with gas rationing. I have read that the Canteen brought soldiers and sailors recuperating from war injuries to the canteen, perhaps they used the car for that, or any number of other things.

GaylordWilshire May 15, 2016 1:47 PM

:previous:

The girls are sitting on a '39 or '40 Packard; the woodie is a '41 Chrysler Town & Country

Martin Pal May 15, 2016 4:51 PM

:previous:

Thanks GW!

For no particular reason, another page I looked at online with this photo indicated the
lady on the right is Veda Ann Borg. Whether that is accurate or not, I don't know.

Martin Pal May 15, 2016 5:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7441863)

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...0hostesses.jpgGetty Images

"Olivia de Havilland and Anne Shirley at the Hollywood Canteen, c. 1943. Senior hosts/hostesses at the Canteen wore cloth armbands of red and white stripe with a blue star
and the initials 'HC' in white so the servicemen could distinguish them. (Junior hosts/hostesses wore solid red cloth armbands with a blue star and the 'HC' initials in white."


I certainly didn't know about the hierarchy of the armbands.
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Here's one of the Junior Hostesses armbands:

http://www.calonne.org/Mom%20Hollywood%20Canteen.jpg

You occasionally find these arm bands up for sale on eBay or similar, but I've never seen one of the Senior Hostess armbands before until the Olivia DeHavilland photo.

The hostesses were also given shoulder bags. Olivia is wearing one above.
"Wearing either item wasn't really mandatory; the bag soon disappeared and eventually the armband was seldom worn at all."

From the Hollywood Canteen book:

Facts:

--150 - 200 Hostesses were needed every night. (They had two shifts, probably from 7:00 - 9:30 p.m. and 9:30 - Midnight. Don't know if the hostesses did shifts or the entire night.)

--There were two OFFICERS OF THE DAY, one for each shift. They were usually studio executives who agreed to come to the Canteen and greet the servicemen and generally oversee the night's activities. ANy difficulties a hostess might have with a serviceman was to be reported or referred to the Officer of the Day.

--The hostesses were grouped into Junior and Senior Hostesses.

--Junior Hostesses were typically in their late teens and early twenties with vivacious, friendly personalities. It was their job to dance and chat with the servicemen, show them where to get their food and drinks (no alcohol was served) and keep the welcoming upbeat rhythm of the Canteen perking along.

The Junior Hostesses themselves were split into two groups, each with a captain. Some of the captains were young film actresses such as Bonita Granville, Evelyn Keyes and Anne Shirley.


Anne Shirley's badge:
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...ge%20front.pnghttp://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...dge%20back.pngMargaret Herrick Library Digital Collections

--Senior Hostesses were there to greet servicemen, see them to seats, serve them food at the snack bar, and help the Junior Hostesses with any problems. They might try to ease awkwardness between the hostess and servicemen if it arose and sometimes they'd take on the role of the juniors and dance with the guys.

--The FBI required that ALL volunteers and staff be fingerprinted, photographed and issued an identification card with their identifications and also their union or guild affiliation.

Martin Pal May 15, 2016 6:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7441922)
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SIDEBAR: In reading about the Canteen's expenses, one of these expenses was "a single-page, legal sized mimeographed sheet titled "Chatter"
and was created soon after it opened. It was handed out to servicemen as they walked through the doors. It covered entertainment highlights,
the following week's schedule of band's [yay, look what'll be here when we're shipped out!] and tid-bits of information about Hollywood."

I found this surprising as I've never seen any photos of the servicemen holding these sheets; there are no photographs of any of them in the
sources. They don't do it in the film, either. Wonder if they kept these while they were doing it?
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Hollywood Canteen CHATTER: I found three examples of this handout in
the Margaret Herrick Library Digital Collection!

Here's one of them:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...06%201943a.png
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...06%201943b.png
Margaret Herrick Library Digital Collections

I noticed Virginia O'Brien's name on this sheet as an upcoming guest! I don't remember why, but someone I know took me to a place downtown one weekend night, like around 1986. It was a place aging stars went to perform if they felt like it. (I can't remember where it was or what it was called.) But he wanted to go because Virginia O'Brien was performing! So we saw her and met her afterwards.

She asked what we did and my friend blurted out that I worked at M-G-M in the video department (not true, I was buyer for a small video store chain) and she wanted me to give her my number and ask me questions about availability at some point. I did, and she did call me several times and we also corresponded by mail about a few things. (She was honorary mayor of Wrightwood for awhile.)

**I just found this info online: In the 80's she created a cabaret act, "Virginia O'Brien Salutes the Great MGM Musicals," which was recorded at the Masquer's Club in Hollywood, and is currently available on CD and on iTunes! That's not where I saw her, it was downtown, but this is what I saw.
I didn't know it was on CD!

A lot of film fans know her from The Harvey Girls. My favorite is her appearance in a Marx Brothers movie called The Big Store.

Even though she was under contract to M-G-M, she NEVER got included in one of their That's Entertainment films. When they decided to do a third one I thought sure she would be included. There's an extra on the dvd of M-G-M stars being interviewed at the premiere of it and Virginia is one of them. A reporter asks her if she'll be in this one. She replied, "I don't know, I haven't seen it yet." Alas, sadly and inexplicably, she was not in any of them. If you see these films and then see a lot of her clips, you won't understand why.

She was a singer who carved out a niche for herself because of the unusual manner she'd belt out a song. IMDB says, "in a Sphinx like way." (?)

She's often referred to as "statuesque" and always seems so tall compared to everyone else, but her imdb bio says she was 5' 6 1/2", which doesn't seem so tall. Was everyone else that short?

Virginia O'Brien (center) with Gloria DeHaven and June Allyson:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uagD2b1TDXs/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uagD2b1TDXs

Click this youtube link to see her rendition of "A Little Spanish Town" from the MGM film Thousands Cheer. I chose it because the other two ladies sing first, and then Virginia does, and it gives you a great contrast and idea of her unique style. Also a 40's vibe.

And then if you have time, look at other youtube videos of her. You can't go wrong with her rendition of Rock-a-Bye Baby! A hoot!

If I could go back in time I'd ask her about the Hollywood Canteen!

She was born in Noirish Los Angeles!

Martin Pal May 15, 2016 6:56 PM

Oh, in looking at the Margaret Herrick Digital collection online, I also found
another color photograph (color transparency) of the Hollywood Canteen!

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...nteen_1944.jpg

Jeanette MacDonald and unidentified servicemen at the Hollywood Canteen, 1944.
Margaret Herrick Library Digital Collections

One from each branch, I guess!

HossC May 15, 2016 7:48 PM

We're back to an industrial site for today's Julius Shulman post. This is "Job 1701: John Kewell, Chase Brass and Copper Company Office and Warehouse (Los Angeles, Calif.),1954".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

Here's a closer look.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

I couldn't resist this view of the entrance and sign.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

This shaded area can be seen on the left of the first image above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

There's only one shot showing the inside, and here it is.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

When I saw this set, I thought it could be somewhere near the Firestone Tire and Rubber Company Headquarters which we saw recently in post #34573. I also thought there was a good chance that the impressive entrance would have been modified or demolished. Luckily, I was only half right. The building is still standing at 6500 E Washington Boulevard, which is pretty close to the old Firestone site. The only things missing are the centaur logo and the vertical blinds on the windows.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original
GSV

The logo does still appear on the front wall of the building where the "City Sales" sign used to be. Like the windows, this area has lost its shading.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
GSV

I wish Google Maps still offered the option of a 45 degree aerial view instead of forcing us to use the fuzzier, computer-generated Earth view to see scenes from an angle. I've also had the GSV screen get into a constant spin twice in the past week, and I'm often left with a low-level Earth view when I come out of GSV. Today, the rendering froze halway through, turning the City of Commerce into a beach resort :).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original
Google Maps

Martin Pal May 15, 2016 9:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7442342)
Today, the rendering froze halway through, turning the City of Commerce into a beach resort :).

LOL!

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And I wonder what color the logo might have been?

Martin Pal May 15, 2016 9:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wig-Wag (Post 7441152)
This shot reminds me of when we had water pouring off the top floor gallery on to the entry floor below during the filming of Blade Runner!
Cheers,
Jack

Yikes, why was that?

ethereal_reality May 15, 2016 11:12 PM

Saucy Dog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7437601)

The Straight Satans hung out at the Saucy Dog in Venice

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7187/...fe0fdb72_o.pnglink

Oh yeah, regarding the aforementioned Saucy Dog...

Beaudry, I tried to find some vintage photos of the 'Saucy Dog', but my google searches kept leading me to this....

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/hDs0sT.jpghttp://ifunny.co

Not exactly what I was looking for.:(

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The building that's visible behind the Straight Satan dude is still standing. (there's also an interesting wood apartment building to it's right)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/P9eVdw.jpg
gsv

Nice inverted pyramid brickwork along the roof line.
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And....it sure was good to see that brick street.
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ethereal_reality May 16, 2016 12:08 AM

"Josephine Serrano Collier, LAPD's first Latina officer, wears the recently issued policewoman's uniform [late 1940s]"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/foFo7h.jpg
https://www.policeone.com/women-offi...r-passes-away/

" Josephine's family moved to Los Angeles from Arizona & settled in the Lincoln Heights neighborhood in Los Angeles. It was considered a tough neighborhood, and relations with the police were rocky. "More than once Josephine saw lumps and bumps on kids who had a run-in with the local beat officer," Ryan wrote. After graduating from the police academy, Collier was assigned to a jail in Lincoln Heights where she and other policewomen wore nurses' uniforms. Two years later, they went through additional training and were issued guns.

Collier was eventually given a beat to walk in the Pershing Square area downtown, which she and other policewomen did undercover.

"They wore a skirt and a hat and gloves," Ryan said last week, "and walked a beat in high heels."

In 1948 she married a fellow officer, Jack Collier, and she stayed with the force until 1960."

https://www.policeone.com/women-offi...r-passes-away/
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The view behind Josephine is similar to views that we've previously seen on NLA,
but I'm still a bit confused as to where these wide stairs lead to. (red arrow below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/htQWIg.jpg
detail

Ignore the red dot, that's a mistake. ;)

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ethereal_reality May 16, 2016 1:07 AM

The only information included with this photograph is "American Legion in Los Angeles" [date 9.23.38]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/921/byxNw9.jpg
eBay

The ornate chandelier and ceiling have me confused. I don't recall seeing them before.
(maybe they're a temporary installation for a specific show.....I just don't know)

Here's the reverse with the information.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/Gouquj.jpg




Do you think this was the American Legion in Hollywood? (below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/xTPe4d.jpg
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ho...Legion_Stadium

or did someone get it mixed it up with Olympic Stadium downtown?

or some other venue
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ethereal_reality May 16, 2016 1:30 AM

originally posted by HossC
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/MJs4eA.jpg
Getty

Hoss, this photograph made me think of the 'Outer Limits' episode with the attacking tumbleweeds.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/Hs1VNO.jpg
http://monstermoviemusic.blogspot.co...e-daystar.html




The attack!!!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/FI9uJL.jpg
http://monstermoviemusic.blogspot.co...e-daystar.html

:previous:.....that's June Havoc and Eddie Albert behind those face eating tumbleweeds ;)
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Slauson Slim May 16, 2016 3:57 AM

The last part in the Canteen Chatter about your Favorite Girl and the Home Folks is so sweet.

Flyingwedge May 16, 2016 5:28 AM

Philharmonic Auditorium
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7442480)
The only information included with this photograph is "American Legion in Los Angeles" [date 9.23.38]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/921/byxNw9.jpg
eBay

The ornate chandelier and ceiling have me confused. I don't recall seeing them before.
(maybe they're a temporary installation for a specific show.....I just don't know)

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e_r, your photo appears to have been taken at the old Philharmonic Auditorium on the NE corner of 5th and Olive.
I don't know if we've seen the inside of that building before. Thanks!

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...q.jpg~original
LAPL

Beaudry May 16, 2016 5:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7442625)
e_r, your photo appears to have been taken at the old Philharmonic Auditorium on the NE corner of 5th and Olive.
I don't know if we've seen the inside of that building before. Thanks!

I got all excited there for a minute! But alas, no, Shrine Auditorium—

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/921/byxNw9.jpg
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7329/...0c8bae4d_o.pngpinterest

Flyingwedge May 16, 2016 5:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7443121)
I got all excited there for a minute! But alas, no, Shrine Auditorium—

Oops! Thanks, Beaudry. Still, it's interesting that the American Legion used both venues for their conclave.

Beaudry May 16, 2016 6:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7442443)
"Josephine Serrano Collier, LAPD's first Latina officer, wears the recently issued policewoman's uniform [late 1940s]"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/foFo7h.jpg
https://www.policeone.com/women-offi...r-passes-away/

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The view behind Josephine is similar to views that we've previously seen on NLA,
but I'm still a bit confused as to where these wide stairs lead to. (red arrow below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/htQWIg.jpg
detail


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I believe that's the upper part of the stairway above the Hill St tunnel.

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7625/...af5841d5_z.jpgCalStateLib

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7069/...2deb7755_z.jpgCSL

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7116/...25eec095_c.jpgHuntington

HossC May 16, 2016 8:08 PM

I know I only posted photos of this place last week, but I figured: it's the Bradbury Building, it's Julius Shulman - no one's going to mind. This is "Job 4647: Bradbury Building, Southern California American Institute of Architects offices (Los Angeles, Calif.) 1970". I've left out the three black & white images which duplicate the color ones, and another two which didn't show anything new. I don't think they need any further comment.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

And now, the color shots.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

Martin Pal May 16, 2016 9:47 PM

:previous:

It's just occurred to me that I've rarely seen color photos of the Bradbury building.

ethereal_reality May 16, 2016 10:13 PM

detail
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/hWqsIz.jpg
originally posted by HossC

For a second, I thought that was Audrey Hepburn on the stairs. ;)

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ethereal_reality May 17, 2016 12:57 AM

Thanks for your story about Virginia O'Brien Martin Pal.

I'm embarrassed to say, but I've been confusing Margaret O'Brien with Virginia O'Brien (even though Margaret was born in 1937, and Virginia in 1919)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7442314)

I noticed Virginia O'Brien's name on the Hollywood Canteen Chatter sheet as an upcoming guest! I don't remember why, but someone I know took me to a place downtown one weekend night, like around 1986. It was a place aging stars went to perform if they felt like it. (I can't remember where it was or what it was called.) But he wanted to go because Virginia O'Brien was performing! So we saw her and met her afterwards.

She asked what we did and my friend blurted out that I worked at M-G-M in the video department (not true, I was buyer for a small video store chain) and she wanted me to give her my number and ask me questions about availability at some point. I did, and she did call me several times and we also corresponded by mail about a few things. (She was honorary mayor of Wrightwood for awhile.)

Here's a remarkable photograph; Virginia is at far left.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/rgGlYM.jpg


Photoplay 1944
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/8Cojq9.jpg
http://www.jgdb.com/radio44.htm




Here's Ms. O'Brien in 1984, around the time you saw her downtown M P.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/AsEe5J.jpg
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...hoto/569118201

Do you remember where you saw her downtown?






Quote:

In the 80's she created a cabaret act, "Virginia O'Brien Salutes the Great MGM Musicals," which was recorded at the Masquer's Club in Hollywood.
She must have recorded this just before the Masquers Club was demolished in 1985. :(


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/y4ZpFT.jpg
eBay

It's been a long time since we've visited the Masquers Club on NLA.
As a reminder, here's what the club looked like. (former home of Antonio Moreno)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/37ZJue.jpg
http://armandsrancho.blogspot.com/20...hollywood.html [undated]



and in the 1970s (this image, and the next, are new to NLA)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...921/G1Acc1.jpg
Floyd B. Bariscale at https://www.flickr.com/photos/729465...ream/lightbox/

That's one heckuva flagpole.
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Before and After

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/PSN7Pr.jpg
http://hollywoodphotographs.com/deta...c=108&i=1&r=12


Replaced by this. :(

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/nLKSQs.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/7294653@N07/3405498727/





Don't miss this Masquers Club 1923 New Years Eve ad / featuring an almost nude girl in a chastity belt!!!!!
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2331

:previous: This 1923 New Years get-together would have been at the first Masquers Club, located at 6735 Yucca Street (below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/P7ynFt.jpg
http://www.electricearl.com/Masquers.html

.....also long gone.


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ethereal_reality May 17, 2016 1:35 AM

'mystery' location.


Is this some sort of itinerant circus troupe?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/Cv4Tl5.jpg
http://www.icons21.com/htm/artist/mitch-epstein-169

"Santa Monica, California 1974." by Mitch Epstein


I can't quite figure out just where in Santa Monica this photograph was taken.

Is this a school ground...or somewhere closer to the beach?
(I see sand at far left)

-also note the prominent hill in the background (are those apartment buildings(?) on top:previous:


info. / details
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...921/AYOXnB.jpg
icons21

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TracedogsLA May 17, 2016 2:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7443695)
'mystery' location.


Is this some sort of itinerant circus troupe?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/Cv4Tl5.jpg
http://www.icons21.com/htm/artist/mitch-epstein-169

"Santa Monica, California 1974." by Mitch Epstein


I can't quite figure out just where in Santa Monica this photograph was taken.

Is this a school ground...or somewhere closer to the beach?
(I see sand at far left)

-also note the prominent hill in the background (are those apartment buildings(?) on top:previous:


info. / details
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...921/AYOXnB.jpg
icons21

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The buildings in the distance on the right is the RAND Corporation complex on Pacific Ave. The buildings on the left was, if I remember correctly, part of a motel complex. This was a little park area on the beach. Behind the photographer would have been the bike path and beyond that a very wide stretch of sand. The Santa Monica Beach was VERY wide at this location, just south of the Santa Monica Pier.

ethereal_reality May 17, 2016 2:56 AM

:previous: Thanks Tracedogs LA! I certainly couldn't figure it out.




Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 6553887)

Until today, I didn’t know The Hollywood Canteen, located at the former Florentine Gardens at 5951 Hollywood Blvd. was used during the Korean conflict.[/i]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/C6gwh9.jpg
Hollywood Photographs

:previous: Very intriguing! I didn't know this either Martin.

a comparison
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/uxJb1G.jpg
gsv



And, as a reminder, in it's hey-day.(we've seen this image before on NLA)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/OY7kK8.jpg
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00007/00007090.jpg

That small 'za' at far right is a tiny portion of the Zanzibar sign.....................................................................................................:previous:



Here's the Zanzibar sign (this amateur snapshot is new to NLA) I can't remember if the Zanzibar was a separate club or part of F.G.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/oMYz9g.jpg
https://killerswithconscience.wordpr...orized/page/4/

I imagine the vertical Zanzibar sign revolved! -note the lady posing by the bush.
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Earlier posts on the Florentine Gardens.

When it was the Retail clerks Union/AFL-CIO, local 770.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=9941

The Zanzibar (and Florentine Gardens) is mentioned in this earlier post (with photo)
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=9959

Birthday party at the Florentine Gardens / A look inside.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=30396

GW's information on N.T.G. Girl Revue with Ann Corio
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=9947




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TracedogsLA May 17, 2016 3:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7442342)
We're back to an industrial site for today's Julius Shulman post. This is "Job 1701: John Kewell, Chase Brass and Copper Company Office and Warehouse (Los Angeles, Calif.),1954".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

Here's a closer look.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

I couldn't resist this view of the entrance and sign.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

This shaded area can be seen on the left of the first image above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

There's only one shot showing the inside, and here it is.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

When I saw this set, I thought it could be somewhere near the Firestone Tire and Rubber Company Headquarters which we saw recently in post #34573. I also thought there was a good chance that the impressive entrance would have been modified or demolished. Luckily, I was only half right. The building is still standing at 6500 E Washington Boulevard, which is pretty close to the old Firestone site. The only things missing are the centaur logo and the vertical blinds on the windows.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original
GSV

The logo does still appear on the front wall of the building where the "City Sales" sign used to be. Like the windows, this area has lost its shading.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
GSV

I wish Google Maps still offered the option of a 45 degree aerial view instead of forcing us to use the fuzzier, computer-generated Earth view to see scenes from an angle. I've also had the GSV screen get into a constant spin twice in the past week, and I'm often left with a low-level Earth view when I come out of GSV. Today, the rendering froze halway through, turning the City of Commerce into a beach resort :).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original
Google Maps

Lol. Id say flooded. Must have been REALLY high tides that day!

ethereal_reality May 17, 2016 3:17 AM

EXTRA! EXTRA!

Hollywood reaction to the Korean War, 1950

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/9BFtqN.jpg
Photograph by Loomis Dean, https://www.pinterest.com/pin/511932682618871444/

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CityBoyDoug May 17, 2016 6:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7443658)
Thanks for your story about Virginia O'Brien Martin Pal.

I'm embarrassed to say, but I've been confusing Margaret O'Brien with Virginia O'Brien (even though Margaret was born in 1937, and Virginia in 1919)


Here's a remarkable photograph; Virginia is at far left.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...921/rgGlYM.jpg



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I see Francis Langford....what a dear woman she was. She later went on to own a fabulous tropical tiki style restaurant and piano bar in Florida...where she often did impromptu songs for the customers. She could sing like an angel.

In her later years she donated millions of dollars to local Jensen Beach charities.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psv4a5w9oh.jpg
google-images

HossC May 17, 2016 1:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7443695)

'mystery' location.

Is this some sort of itinerant circus troupe?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/Cv4Tl5.jpg
http://www.icons21.com/htm/artist/mitch-epstein-169

"Santa Monica, California 1974." by Mitch Epstein

I can't quite figure out just where in Santa Monica this photograph was taken.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TracedogsLA (Post 7443780)

The buildings in the distance on the right is the RAND Corporation complex on Pacific Ave. The buildings on the left was, if I remember correctly, part of a motel complex. This was a little park area on the beach. Behind the photographer would have been the bike path and beyond that a very wide stretch of sand. The Santa Monica Beach was VERY wide at this location, just south of the Santa Monica Pier.

Here's a higher view from two years earlier. The white Holiday Inn building can be seen at the center of the background in e_r's picture.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Detail of image at californiacoastline.org

The zig-zag building with the orange stripes survived until about 10 years ago. The site, including its parking lot, is now Tongva Park. Note where Hot Dog on a Sticks is labeled below. Their red and white sign, which just says "Hot Dog Stick", can be seen behind the head of the man with the red headband in e_r's picture. It still looks the same today.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
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Martin Pal May 17, 2016 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7443658)
Thanks for your story about Virginia O'Brien Martin Pal.

Here's a remarkable photograph; Virginia is at far left.

Photoplay 1944
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/8Cojq9.jpg
http://www.jgdb.com/radio44.htm


I'd love to have a CD of those Christmas recordings by these ladies!
(I collect Christmas/Holiday music! I have over 700 cd's, and a list of
that many more I'd like to get!)


P.S.: I remember Frances Langford being one of Bob Hope's favorites, and she often accompanied him on his U.S.O. shows.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7443658)
Here's Ms. O'Brien in 1984, around the time you saw her downtown M P.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/AsEe5J.jpg
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/ne...hoto/569118201

Do you remember where you saw her downtown?

I've been trying to figure it out. I have a call in to the person I went with back then, but haven't heard back yet. The Masquers sounded like that might have been it, but it wasn't downtown, so it's not. (Plus, lol, it was demolished in 1985!) Now I'm leading toward the Variety Arts Center which was on Figueroa. I'm reading that in the late 70's the building was purchased by an organization called The Society for the Preservation of the Variety Arts and they named it the Variety Arts Center. Programming in the theatre included a mix of shows intended as a tribute to variety and vaudeville entertainers. I was looking at interior photos of the theatre and it seemed way bigger than the space we saw her perform in, but then I read that there was a smaller upstairs theatre they called "The Masquers Theatre," which is perhaps why I thought it sounded right at first, I don't know. This organization also had a library focused on vaudeville and related topics.

However, I can't find any online source saying that Virginia O'Brien appeared there, so I didn't want to post any photos of that place as I'm not sure yet. I am also wondering if, perhaps, that is where she recorded the album as it was called "The Masquers Theatre." Online sources can often be confused about things.

ethereal_reality May 17, 2016 6:01 PM

Hey thanks Hoss! You made the 1974 Mitch Epstein photograph that much more interesting.

I'm still really curious about the people, but I doubt we'll ever have an answer.
To me, they seem Eastern European for some reason. lol the woman falling off the teeter-tooter thingy.
the men sure have muscular legs....which made me think of an acrobatic troupe.
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Here's another by Mr. Epstein, titled: Los Angeles II, California 1974.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/cVlukg.jpg
http://www.icons21.com/htm/artist/mitch-epstein-169

I wonder if the x in the window has any significance?
(perhaps it's just masking tape holding the pane of glass together from a BB hole) -if I remember correctly, people used to do that.

as for clues; there's no street number, but there's a phone number. Could we decipher something from that?

(I just spotted a dog)


details
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...923/EWftCp.jpg
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John Maddox Roberts May 17, 2016 6:34 PM

Here's another by Mr. Epstein, titled: Los Angeles II, California 1974.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/922/cVlukg.jpg
http://www.icons21.com/htm/artist/mitch-epstein-169

I wonder if the x in the window has any significance?
(perhaps it's just masking tape holding the pane of glass together from a BB hole)

as for clues; there's no street number, but there's a phone number. Could we decipher something from that?

(I just spotted a dog)


details
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...923/EWftCp.jpg
icons21

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It looks like a yard sale. The sign says house for rent, so maybe the landlord is disposing of stuff left behind by the last tenants, though that saddle on the right seems an odd thing to leave. That's a classic 50s sunburst clock.


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