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ethereal_reality Oct 17, 2012 9:22 PM

:previous: Excellent research on the Diane Sparks murder rcarlton.
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Here is a rppc with an excellent view of the old Whitley Heights sign.

http://imageshack.us/a/img72/5672/aa...whitelyhei.jpg
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ethereal_reality Oct 18, 2012 5:12 AM

I came across this New York Times newspaper dated march 12, 1947 on ebay.

http://imageshack.us/a/img152/8145/aabslain1947.jpg
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What caught my eye was this article on two slayings in Los Angeles.

http://imageshack.us/a/img502/2383/aabslain1947a.jpg




http://imageshack.us/a/img688/227/aabslain1947b.jpg

One of the bodies, identified as Evelyn Winters aged 42 yrs, was found nearly nude on railroad tracks near Los Angeles City Hall.
A 28 year old railroad worker was initially charged with the murder...in reality, he was only guilty of kissing the corpse
in the shadow of City Hall (hence the lipstick on his face).

The second murder victim, unidentified, was found strangled to death with electrical wire on a riverbank in Norwalk.
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GaylordWilshire Oct 18, 2012 12:46 PM

:previous:

I didn't remember posting this item on Jeanne French until I found it, or having seen jansen's followup:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1949

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1950


And here's more Los Angeles Times coverage:

Feb 14, 1947--the Evelyn Winters Case
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-h...2520AM.bmp.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-O...2520AM.bmp.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-h...2520AM.bmp.jpg


March 12, 1947
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-O...2520AM.bmp.jpg
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-r...2520AM.bmp.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-v...2520AM.bmp.jpg


Interestingly, there was a radio show at the time called "The Strange Romance of Evelyn Winters"...which also ended in 1947.
http://pictures.historicimages.net/p...94/4893450.jpg
http://pictures.historicimages.net/p...94/4893451.jpg
Both ebay

rcarlton Oct 18, 2012 3:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5049864)
Snip
The Elizabeth Short, "Black Dahlia" case gets all the attention, but there certainly were a number of similar murders that were never solved in Los Angeles during the 1940's;

7-23-43 Ora Murray 42 found nude, bludgeoned to death dumped in golf club parking lot after 2am, after a night of drinking and dancing in downtown bars.

10-12-44 Georgina Bauerdorf 20 (a friend of Elizabeth Short's) found nude strangled in her own apt. bathtub, after apparently being followed home from the Hollywood servicemans club.

1-15-47 Elizabeth (Beth) Short aka Black Dahlia 22, found nude, bludgeoned to death dumped in vacat lot on downtown LA Hollywood border, after leaving downtown LA Biltmore hotel with no apparent place to stay the night. Her body was also cut in 2 at the waist, she'd been sexually assaulted, and also tortured.

2-10-47 Jeanne French 40 found nude vacant lot bludgeoned, beat to death, strangled, signs of torture, after being seen in downtown/hollywood bars with brown haired man, a message written in lipstick possibly referring to the Short crime written on body.

3-12-47 Evelyn Winters 42 found nude, bludgeoned to death in vacant lot 2 miles from downtown, strangled, last seen in bars the night before.

5-11-47 Laura Trelstad (Telestad) 37 found nude strangled with strip of cloth, bludgeoned, dumped in vacant lot near oil rigs, after being last seen intoxicated bars Long Beach.

7-8-47 Rosenda Mondragon 20 found nude strangled with stocking signs of torture, dumped side of street 1 miles from Winters scene.

6-13-49 Louise Springer 28 abducted with her car while waiting in a downtown parking lot, found 2 days later in car bludgeoned, strangled with a cloth strip, sexually assulted/tortured.

8-11-49 Jean Spangler 27 starlet a onetime roomate of Beth Shorts, body never found, after going on date with new man, and being seen in bars with a brown haired men, or 2 men, purse found on street at Hollywood's Dell park.

8-18-49 Mimi Boombauer known as 'the happy widow' after going out on date to nightclubs, body never found, purse left in Wilshire phone booth with note written in lipstick

It certainly looks like Los Angeles had a serial killer on the loose in the 1940's who was never brought to justice...........................

I wonder why Diane Sparks is not on this list?

Anyone have access to LA newspapers archival issues? Sure would like to know why they found Ramon Gonzales not guilty in the Diane Sparks trial. I'd also like to know what her husband George's alibi was. Maybe it wasn't a broken heart that lead to his suicide but the build up of guilt over the years? Whatever happened to Ramon Gonzales? Mrs. Bessie Hensley, who reportedly witnessed the murder and was threatened about testifying...what came of that story?

rcarlton Oct 18, 2012 7:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 5144012)
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The Jonathan Club at 6th and Figueroa, 1957
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/380...gueroa1957.jpg
USC Archive

In the background is the Carlton Hotel. Anybody have anything on it? Gone now with only a parking structure on the location.

Here's a picture of the Carlton Hotel (built in 1903) on skid row...
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8195/8...669e7c10_b.jpgGE

Not to be confused with this:
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5...ju7o1_1280.jpgtumblr
Marilyn Monroe in her room at the Beverly Carlton Hotel.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7...ksmo1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr...a1vo1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9...xiogo2_400.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9...xiogo1_400.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9...xiogo3_400.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2...to1_r1_500.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk...da1vo1_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9...xiogo4_400.jpgtumblr

GaylordWilshire Oct 18, 2012 8:25 PM

:previous:


The Carlton...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-2...12/carlton.jpg
1934


The Beverly Carlton...

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3131



https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-C...2520PM.bmp.jpg
1949

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l...2520PM.bmp.jpg
1959

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-9...2520PM.bmp.jpg
1967


Images: Los Angeles Times

GaylordWilshire Oct 18, 2012 9:03 PM

But now let's talk Carlton noir...

http://imageshack.us/a/img685/2782/64285748.jpgUSCDL

The library's caption: "Vice raid...6526 Selma Avenue, 8 October 1951. Lee Carlton -- 40 years; Mrs. Mary Richards -- 40 years (Las Palmas Hotel)"


The Las Palmas Hotel is at 1738 N Las Palmas and was seen in Pretty Woman. Perhaps the raid was there. However, the Selma Manor was at 6526 Selma...
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...043%2520PM.jpgLos Angeles Times
1941


6526 Selma Ave is no more.

ethereal_reality Oct 18, 2012 9:14 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img27/7952/aa...chools1909.jpg
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GaylordWilshire Oct 18, 2012 10:08 PM

:previous:

I don't remember hearing about the Custer Ave school before—here's a clear shot of it. According to the source, "The Custer Avenue School was built in 1895. It was the first Junior High School (Middle School in the District) It became an elementary school in 1914. It was located on the corner of Custer and Temple Streets."

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...2520PM.bmp.jpghttp://www.lausd.net


And there's this:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-z...2520PM.bmp.jpg
More pics here: ebay

ethereal_reality Oct 18, 2012 10:09 PM

:previous: Interesting GW. I wasn't aware of the Custer Ave. School either.



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/PJIrOK.jpg
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below: Blond & bodacious Marie Wilson

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/9KthSS.jpg
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below: 'Blackouts of 1948' at the El Capitan on Vine Street in Hollywood.

http://imageshack.us/a/img210/984/aa...tantheater.jpg




below: 'Blackouts' placard along the street.

http://imageshack.us/a/img109/4137/a...utsplacard.jpg



http://imageshack.us/a/img545/4126/aabblackoutsg1a.jpg
http://store.acousticsounds.com/incl...title_id=26812


For more information on Ken Murray and his long running stage show clink on the link.
http://projects.latimes.com/hollywoo...lk/ken-murray/

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ethereal_reality Oct 18, 2012 10:17 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img442/2779/aapcarch1.jpg
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ethereal_reality Oct 18, 2012 10:35 PM

Constructing the 101.

http://imageshack.us/a/img20/6792/10...nstruction.jpg
http://lahistorian.tumblr.com/

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rcarlton Oct 18, 2012 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5871377)
But now let's talk Carlton noir...

http://imageshack.us/a/img685/2782/64285748.jpgUSCDL

The library's caption: "Vice raid...6526 Selma Avenue, 8 October 1951. Lee Carlton -- 40 years; Mrs. Mary Richards -- 40 years (Las Palmas Hotel)"


The Las Palmas Hotel is at 1738 N Las Palmas and was seen in Pretty Woman. Perhaps the raid was there. However, the Selma Manor was at 6526 Selma...
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...043%2520PM.jpgLos Angeles Times
1941


6526 Selma Ave is no more.

He seems rather comfortable and unconcerned, she:rolleyes: not so. Definitely a Lucky Strikes kind of guy.

ethereal_reality Oct 18, 2012 10:57 PM

An amazing beaux arts plan for the Los Angeles River.

http://imageshack.us/a/img835/9896/aalariverplan.jpg
http://greatgodpan.com/

"With a dam at Ninth Street a lake to Elysian Park would be possible." -pretty grandiose wouldn't you say.

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Notinkeys Oct 19, 2012 12:16 AM

Just wanted to say...
 
This is just about the best discussion thread I have EVER read online- and that goes back 30 years! I'm WAY behind- just finished page 140 a moment ago- but that's okay.

I didn't live in L.A. long, but the historical pics and other stuff here is simply fantastic. Thanks for many hours of fun reading this, and for many more hours ahead. I didn't have much to contribute yet (just some old LA radio pictures a while back) but I hope I get to do so again.

Incredible thread!!!

ethereal_reality Oct 19, 2012 12:25 AM

:previous: Glad you're enjoying the thread Notinkeys. :)
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I came across this postcard by accident while searching google images the other day.

http://imageshack.us/a/img822/1458/aabhomevbdotcom.jpg
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...s33s0UouyK9atw



There is no address, but I recognized the gazebo from google street views.
see below:

http://imageshack.us/a/img72/882/aabhomegoogle.jpg




below: This small enclave of homes just off Cahuenga Blvd. is named The Hollywood Dell.

http://imageshack.us/a/img6/3919/aabdell1terrace.jpg

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This particular house is located at 6533 Cahuenga Terrace.

http://imageshack.us/a/img832/8521/a...vrbodotcom.jpg
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...Mvnw4dbmr2-syw




...can't leave out the gazebo.

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/1280/a...ahuengater.jpg
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...Mvnw4dbmr2-syw

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rcarlton Oct 19, 2012 2:14 AM

:previous:Hollywood Dell
The generally accepted borders of “the Dell” are east of Cahuenga, north of Franklin, west of Argyle and south of the Hollywood Reservoir. It is fully encompassed by zip code 90068.
The neighborhood was established in the early 1920’s, and today is a mix of profesionals artists, families and even some famous faces. (The Dell has been home to The Rolling Stones, Minnie Driver, Marilyn Manson, Goldie Hawn, Eva Longoria Parker and Audrina Patridge.) With only about 1,000 residences, it’s easy to feel at home in this cozy community.

The Hollywood Dell got its name because it sits “in” hills that are just above popular Hollywood, and opposed to being on top of the hills. Meaning, you will have to drive down to get into the dell, and up to get out of it. The roads within the dell are mainly hilly and many homes are built on hillside lots.

Typical homes in the Hollywood Dell are single-family homes in Spanish Colonial Revival Style architecture. (Take Sunset)

ethereal_reality Oct 19, 2012 4:10 AM

I had no idea the 'Hollywood Dell' was established in the 1920s.

thx for the info rcarlton.

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ethereal_reality Oct 19, 2012 4:34 AM

Interesting ad. Formica lined the walls of the satellite terminals at LAX.

http://imageshack.us/a/img593/6255/laxformicaad.jpg
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http://imageshack.us/a/img38/2127/laxformicaad1.jpg
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below: Five satellite terminals and the Theme Tower, circa 1971.

http://imageshack.us/a/img834/7778/l...fd1satelli.jpg

The satellite terminals were connected via underground walkways.

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GaylordWilshire Oct 19, 2012 12:59 PM

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-s...2520AM.bmp.jpgGoogle SV


"A section of steel cable used to move the railway's trolley cars up and down the steep hillside remains embedded in concrete in a corner of the lot, which is priced at $450,000."

Interesting story in the Times today about the doomed Mt. Washington house above (491 Canyon Vista Drive):
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,2619000.story

GaylordWilshire Oct 19, 2012 1:21 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img717/9296/gardenofallah1.jpg

And then there is this apparently new info on the Garden of Allah via LAObserved

Wig-Wag Oct 19, 2012 3:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5872073)
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-s...2520AM.bmp.jpgGoogle SV

Interesting story in the Times today about the doomed Mt. Washington house above (491 Canyon Vista Drive):
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,2619000.story

Amazing story!

Thanks,
Jack

ethereal_reality Oct 19, 2012 4:30 PM

I wish I had come across this a few weeks ago when we were all discussing the Devil's Gate Dam.

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/2194/sgate1905.jpg
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ethereal_reality Oct 19, 2012 5:32 PM

Snapshot of the Pan-Pacific Auditorium.

http://imageshack.us/a/img442/6126/aapanpacificsnap.jpg
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unihikid Oct 19, 2012 5:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5872348)
Snapshot of the Pan-Pacific Auditorium.

http://imageshack.us/a/img442/6126/aapanpacificsnap.jpg
ebay
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for what its worth,we use to have boy scout meetings in the nearby rec center.this was before they built the new rec center at the site of the ppa.anyways,the last remaining thing that was left at the ppa were these artdeco light post,the stands were of concret and in shape of the entrance,they even had the lights still in the globes.I always thought they were cool and tried to hop the fence that surrounded the site but it was way too high.Sorry i just had to share,to a 13 y/o it was a cool piece of a past historical place.

ethereal_reality Oct 19, 2012 10:54 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img840/481/aa...tlatomexic.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img705/6194/a...thugereduc.jpg
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Gee, just like flying today. ;)

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Earl Boebert Oct 19, 2012 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5872703)

Well, more like sitting on the ground today -- if you look at the rightmost window you'll see that the flaps are down.

BTW, flew Western a lot when working for Honeywell. Great airline.

Cheers,

Earl

ethereal_reality Oct 19, 2012 11:07 PM

WANTED FOR MURDER 1888

http://imageshack.us/a/img402/5763/aamurdererwanted.jpg


http://imageshack.us/a/img526/8823/a...rerwanted2.jpg
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westcork Oct 19, 2012 11:10 PM

This makes me wonder how the city skyline would have evolved had their been a river/lake with actual water year round. There might now be a concentration of river front skyscrapers Starting at 9th street.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5871529)
An amazing beaux arts plan for the Los Angeles River.

http://imageshack.us/a/img835/9896/aalariverplan.jpg
http://greatgodpan.com/

"With a dam at Ninth Street a lake to Elysian Park would be possible." -pretty grandiose wouldn't you say.

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rcarlton Oct 19, 2012 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5872703)

Curtains and leg room! This has got to be first class! The good old days!:yes:

ethereal_reality Oct 19, 2012 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westcork (Post 5872729)
This makes me wonder how the city skyline would have evolved had their been a river/lake with actual water year round.
There might now be a concentration of river front skyscrapers Starting at 9th street.

I agree westcork. The river would have attracted countless speculative ventures.
Dreams were BIG before the crash.

http://imageshack.us/a/img208/9383/l...atimes1926.jpg
Los Angeles Times-1926

GaylordWilshire Oct 20, 2012 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5872703)


Looks like Fiesta Ware was also part of the theme...



Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 5872720)
Well, more like sitting on the ground today -- if you look at the rightmost window you'll see that the flaps are down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5872736)
Curtains and leg room! This has got to be first class! The good old days!:yes:


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-n...2520AM.bmp.jpgMel Lawrence

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z...2520AM.bmp.jpgJim Doner

Those passengers would have been sitting on a DC-6B... here are two of Western's on the ground at LAX. First class on props was generally at the rear, away from the noise and vibration of the engines. As for curtains--they were used on props in both coach and first class--although the DC8 jet used them on earlier models, well into the '60s.

rcarlton Oct 20, 2012 2:36 PM

This post got me looking for the Carlton Apartments which can be seen today:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8465/8...323e31b2_b.jpg

Not sure when this building was constructed. 528 Union Drive, Los Angeles.

rcarlton Oct 20, 2012 4:52 PM

View 1: exterior view of Nelson's Motor Service, a small auto repair shop. View 2: exterior view of a small garage, possibly used for storing automotive supplies. Photo dated: May 2, 1929. No address.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics43/00056302.jpgLAPL

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics43/00056300.jpgLAPL
Group photo of the men in their working overalls, who work at Nelson's Motor Service, a small auto repair shop. Photo dated: May 2, 1929.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics43/00056301.jpgLAPL
Portrait of Nelson, owner of Nelson's Motor Service. Portrait of Nelson's stylishly-dressed wife. Photo dated: May 2, 1929.

Auto repair:
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057705.jpgLAPL
The Nelson Motor Service, an auto repair garage. A mechanic gives the engine a motor x-ray. Photo dated: June 1, 1929.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057707.jpgLAPL
Testing on an engine is done with a leak micrometer.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057706.jpgLAPL
Brakes are tested on an automobile.

rcarlton Oct 20, 2012 6:06 PM

Exterior view of Andy Gump's Dump, a cafe with a figure of him on the sign, in 1920.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics45/00042110.jpgLAPL

rcarlton Oct 20, 2012 6:14 PM

Exterior view of the Sphinx Realty Company, in the shape of a sphinx, located at 537 North Fairfax Avenue, surrounded by signs listing properties for sale.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics45/00042112.jpgLAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics45/00042113.jpgLAPL
Beautiful five bedroom home, $6,750; Six room corner stucco near here, $7,200; Seven room stucco, $7,650; Corner near here, $2,500. (1920)

ethereal_reality Oct 20, 2012 6:18 PM

Here are a couple Western Airlines commercials, both touting their 'champagne flights'.

This first commercial is from the late 1950s, the same time period of the 'Fiesta Flight' pc.
Not only does the animated bird/stewardess serve the passenger/bird champagne she lights his cigarette as well.
How times have changed. :)

http://imageshack.us/a/img443/2598/aabw2.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s5PIJ9eZPc





In this later commercial the stewardess serves champagne/punch by dipping into a punch bowl
festooned with flowers and enveloped in a cloud of dry ice/liquid nitrogen. lol

http://imageshack.us/a/img837/9233/aabwc.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kNB0gkwI8E

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GaylordWilshire Oct 20, 2012 6:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5873341)
View 1: exterior view of Nelson's Motor Service, a small auto repair shop. View 2: exterior view of a small garage, possibly used for storing automotive supplies. Photo dated: May 2, 1929. No address.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics43/00056302.jpgLAPL

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics43/00056300.jpgLAPL
Group photo of the men in their working overalls, who work at Nelson's Motor Service, a small auto repair shop. Photo dated: May 2, 1929.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics43/00056301.jpgLAPL
Portrait of Nelson, owner of Nelson's Motor Service. Portrait of Nelson's stylishly-dressed wife. Photo dated: May 2, 1929.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle SV

Nelson's building is still there: 4959 Santa Monica Blvd


Martin P. Nelson was manager, his wife Elgia the president/treasurer... in 1929 they lived nearby with their son and daughter at 1169 N. Berendo:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-r...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle SV


PS I think the man in the middle of the third photo is trying to make off with a radiator hose.

ethereal_reality Oct 20, 2012 6:50 PM

radiator hose?....where....I don't see a......OHHHH, now I see it. ;)

ethereal_reality Oct 20, 2012 11:21 PM

This eclectic building hasn't appeared on 'noirish Los Angeles'. (I searched)

Nelson Flats and Nelson's Candy Factory located at 513-519 E. 4th Street.

http://imageshack.us/a/img248/380/aabnelson.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...view/CHS-32442

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ethereal_reality Oct 20, 2012 11:40 PM

Security-First National Bank at 7th and Witmer.

http://imageshack.us/a/img853/4155/a...itmerfoto1.jpg
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The bank building today. Why would someone remove the pediment over the doorway?

http://imageshack.us/a/img594/2071/a...tmertoday1.jpg
google street view







http://imageshack.us/a/img94/3462/aa...witmerfoto.jpg
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..and today. Just a note: This building is across the street from the historic Mayfair Hotel.

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/7639/aa...itmertoday.jpg
google street view

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ethereal_reality Oct 21, 2012 12:04 AM

L.A. First National Bank at Jefferson and Arlington.

http://imageshack.us/a/img43/51/aaba...onarlingto.jpg
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http://imageshack.us/a/img38/51/aaba...onarlingto.jpg
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Luckily, this little jewel of a building is still in good shape. The new fence makes me think it might be on an historical/architectural list.
Does anyone know?

http://imageshack.us/a/img194/51/aab...onarlingto.jpg
google street view




http://imageshack.us/a/img155/51/aab...onarlingto.jpg
google street view





A vintage view of the interior. I wish I had a clearer image of the lighting fixtures.

http://imageshack.us/a/img208/51/aab...onarlingto.jpg
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Lwize Oct 21, 2012 12:39 AM

Has it been determined if 500 pages is the limit for this thread?

ethereal_reality Oct 21, 2012 3:45 AM

I've heard nothing of the sort.
There are several threads that go beyond two million views. (for an example see the Chicago thread below)

http://imageshack.us/a/img99/7513/aabchgo.jpg

'noirish Los Angeles' is one of the most popular threads on skyscraperpage.com
I can't understand why it would be cut off.

All that said and done, if it is archived I will simply start a new thread...'noirish Los Angeles II'.
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Those Who Squirm! Oct 21, 2012 5:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malumot (Post 5124646)
Recent posts - The Minnewaska, Broad, sterile cityscapes......

The problem, as I see it, is that after The War the smarty pants urban planners got their way and ruined the organic way that make cities become what they are.

One example - plazas. Just about every post-1960 skyscraper is surrounded by some useless, unvisited plaza. The intent, of course, was to reduce the mass of the building and to promote social interaction. You have a one-acre site? Your building's footprint can be no more than 40% of that, let's say. The rest must be given over to "public space" and the inevitably insipid "public art". How many public space areas on Bunker Hill do YOU know that you would consider lively places of interaction? It's a short list. The steps at US Bank Tower are kind of cool. Beyond that I'm drawing a blank.

There was social interaction in the past of course, when buildings like the Richfield were built cheek by jowl. It just spilled onto the sidewalks. (Take a walk down present-day Broadway to see what I mean). Planner-types HATED this. They wanted the suburban office-park look. The Suburban office park model CAN work - in the suburbs. Not downtown.

What we got was the worst of both worlds.

This is not limited to LA of course. My least-favored part of Manhattan is centered on 6th Avenue Midtown. Huge skyscrapers surrounded by boundless prairies of plazas. This is New York? It could just as well be Anycity, USA.

Somehow, though, it seems to be the worst here in L.A. The suburban aesthetic was imposed not only visually, but also, in a way, morally. By the 1960s, I don't think anyone would have actually owned up to it, but I suspect that above all things they didn't want rows and rows of small shops and other businesses, because someone might be selling something that was considered politically dangerous like Marxist literature, or otherwise incongruent with the squeaky clean image that was desired. Bars and nightclubs were also beyond the pale; I may have mentioned it already but it's hard to believe now that La Golondrina and El Paseo Inn were nightclubs in addition to being restaurants, prior to the depopulation of the neighborhood.

Those Who Squirm! Oct 21, 2012 5:43 AM

Old Chinatown
 
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those are great images of ferguson alley E_R. the 1st one is looking east towards alameda from the intersection of Calle de los negros. i found this image of jerry's joynt looking down calle de los negros

With regard to Old Chinatown, anyone wanting an aural depiction of this neighborhood can do worse than checking out "The Opium Den", an episode of Calling All Cars produced in 1935. It deals with the closing down of, you guessed it, an opium den still operating at that late date.

Be forewarned: the characterizations of the Chinese-Americans in the story are repugnant in their racism; yet, if you can ignore that rest of it is interesting indeed. And if you're unfamiliar with Calling All Cars, it's pretty much a fifteen-years-earlier version of Dragnet.

Handsome Stranger Oct 21, 2012 6:20 AM

Here's a link to a fascinating (if somewhat depressing) short video about the legendary Garden of Allah apartments at Sunset and Crescent Heights. It's really just a radio documentary accompanied by a series of stills, yet it yields an unexpected surprise about one small bit of the apartment complex that still remains, hidden from view.

Garden of Allah - West Hollywood - Now and Then

GaylordWilshire Oct 21, 2012 1:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5873719)
L.A. First National Bank at Jefferson and Arlington.

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Luckily, this little jewel of a building is still in good shape. The new fence makes me think it might be on an historical/architectural list.
Does anyone know?

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A vintage view of the interior. I wish I had a clearer image of the lighting fixtures.

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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Y...2520AM.bmp.jpg Los Angeles Times July 1, 1928


This didn't take long:

http://imageshack.us/a/img94/9274/lafirstnatl1rev.jpg Los Angeles Times December 20, 1928


PS I don't see that it has been added to the list of Historic-Cultural Monuments

rcarlton Oct 21, 2012 1:59 PM

Used the search function to see if anyone had posted much on the Los Angeles Herald Examiner building, came up with nothing.
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Looking south at the front and side of the Los Angeles Herald Examiner building, located at 1111 South Broadway. It is historical landmark #178, designated on August 17, 1977. It is in mission revival style, with colorful domes, tile roofs, white walls and arched openings. Julia Morgan designed the building, which was constructed between 1912 and 1915.

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Exterior view of the Examiner newspaper building on November 8, 1937, taken from a rooftop across the street. It is located at 1111 South Broadway and was designed by architect Julia Morgan.

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A woman walks down Broadway, which is lined with parked cars even though there are two "auto parks" across the street from each other in this view looking north on Broadway towards Eleventh. "Examiner" signs are complete with eagles and flags on what was later called the Herald-Examiner Building. c1937.

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A group of men, some construction workers, posing in front of the Los Angeles Examiner Building being built. It opened in 1915. A. Dellamore was the plumbing contractor, and a number of plumbing pieces are seen in front of the group. Alta Planing Mill Company was the contractor.

Today:
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BrandonJXN Oct 21, 2012 3:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rcarlton (Post 5873216)
This post got me looking for the Carlton Apartments which can be seen today:

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Not sure when this building was constructed. 528 Union Drive, Los Angeles.

I live on this block! A little further up the hill (433 Union Drive) I walk past this building every day.


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