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BifRayRock May 5, 2012 1:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 5690831)
An excellent question! Perhaps cars were allowed to go in one direction in the morning, and the other in the evening. ;)

Remnants of a plank road exist in Imperial County. Didn't know about San Bernardino. The conundrum created by two opposing vehicles on a single lane highway is usually resolved by a turn out.

"Engineers abandoned the double-track plan and designed a roadway of wooden cross ties laid to a width of 8 feet with double-width turnouts every-1,000 feet." http://www.desertusa.com/sandhills/plankrd.html

Just staying on the road without having to deal with oncoming traffic must have been a source of much merriment during a sandstorm.:(


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...dplankroad.jpg wiki

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Straying from the road in extreme heat and being stuck in the sand could be very bad. Could things get possibly worse?

Arcadia '43:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics44/00056814.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics44/00056815.jpghttp://photos.lapl.org

Ouch X10
http://www.pacificelectric.org/wp-co...-121846-11.jpghttp://www.pacificelectric.org/wp-co...-121846-21.jpghttp://www.pacificelectric.org/wp-co...-121846-31.jpghttp://www.pacificelectric.org/los-a...in-eagle-rock/



ethereal_reality May 5, 2012 3:14 PM

:previous: Amazing that the remnants of an old wooden road still exists!
Notice the fence on either side...at least someone has recognized the historical value of this old plank road.

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Chuckaluck May 5, 2012 3:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5690589)
" . . . interest in the bubonic plague photos[?]"

Speaking of wholesome food and sanitary living conditions, how about that Crescent Creamery and Butter Co., at 241 Winson St! Where else would the Alexandria and Nadeau procure buttermilk and ice cream? Too bad about the 1908 fire. Fortunately, the Station 23 was close at hand! http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...0201_cover.JPG

http://lafire.com/stations/FS023/pho...n_w23_1000.gifhttp://lafire.com/stations/FS023/pho...n_w23_1000.gif

A night in "Joyland?"
http://lafire.com/stations/FS023/pho..._crew_1000.jpg

Going Modern? (Churning the engine?)
http://lafire.com/stations/FS023/pho...oorT5_1500.jpghttp://lafire.com/stations/FS023/pho...oorT5_1500.jpg

http://lafire.com/stations/FS023/pho...77-03_1500.jpghttp://lafire.com/stations/FS023/pho...77-03_1500.jpg

http://lafire.com/stations/FS023/pho...stcrd_1500.gifhttp://lafire.com/stations/FS023/pho...stcrd_1500.gif

The new 5th street garage: "California's Best!" (What was second best?)
http://lafire.com/stations/FS023/pho...SqCo1_1500.jpghttp://lafire.com/stations/FS023/pho...SqCo1_1500.jpg

GaylordWilshire May 5, 2012 3:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5690866)
Unfamiliar with the video game, I jumped the gun when looking at the still you posted and assumed it was a composite of several vehicles, including the Delage with a handful of computer-enhanced artistic license thrown in for good measure. By happenstance, prior to your post, I just happened upon a picture of the Peter Stengel design. Without confusing the two designs, the B&W Stengel felt like it too, belonged in the cyber-noir world.

OK... but believe me, no one was worrying that you may have confused the two designs...

BifRayRock May 5, 2012 4:13 PM

Apology in advance if this is a duplication. I believe I have seen similar pictures on the forum, but unable to locate these using the search function.

Yamato Inc. 635 S. Broadway, ca. '10 "Visitors Welcome"
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/...s9/d3e4551.jpghttp://content.cdlib.org

A few doors away:

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/...td/d3e4475.jpghttp://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt1199r2td/

http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/...gb/d3e4399.jpghttp://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/kt0k4030gb/



BifRayRock May 5, 2012 4:58 PM

Still looking for car wash with Pig N Whistle in the background. One fascinating design "El Patio Auto" includes a turntable. Circa '29

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics26/00032778.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics24/00031921.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics02/00020534.jpglapl


Old school ca. '25. $1 open and $1.50 closed?
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics49/00074371.jpglapl

Arnold's Auto Laundry. Undated. 1141 East Anaheim, Long Beach.http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057664.jpghttp://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=60593


alanlutz May 5, 2012 8:44 PM

L.A. Noire visions
 
OMG. Thanks to all you guys and this great forum I've been reading for the past two months, I went out last night to Fry's and bought my first ever PC Video Game, L.A. Noire. Now I have to beef up my RAM and Video card since I am not usually a gamer. It LOOKS great, though. and during my first case, I ended up at a suspect's house just above this bridge on 2nd Street. So just for fun, I ran down the stairs on the left and turned INTO the trolley tunnel and ran all the way to the other side. SO REALISTIC, even inside the tunnel. These guys think of everything!
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068218.jpg
LAPL Originally posted by gsjansen

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c...2/DSC01990.JPG
From L.A. Noire PC Game Rockstar Games dot com
I tried to get a similar angle and had to use digital camera to get the screenshot.

ethereal_reality May 5, 2012 9:04 PM

:previous: Amazing! I am really liking the color noir shots.

ethereal_reality May 5, 2012 9:29 PM

I love the graphics on this old matchbook.

http://imageshack.us/a/img152/5484/a...sangelesre.jpg
http://losangelesrevisited.blogspot....city-hall.html



below: The Limehouse had patio dancing with a view of City Hall. It was famous for it's paper-wrapped chicken and other exotic dishes.

http://imageshack.us/a/img685/913/aalimehousepatio.jpg
http://losangelesrevisited.blogspot....city-hall.html




below: The building still stands at the corner of New High and Ord Street.

http://imageshack.us/a/img849/1992/a...ousetoday1.jpg
google street view

I like the oversized sign on the roof and nothing else. I am sure it looked a lot more 'exotic' back in the day.

Here's the link to the Los Angeles Revisited blog. http://losangelesrevisited.blogspot....city-hall.html
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alanlutz May 6, 2012 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5691274)
:previous: Amazing! I am really liking the color noir shots.

Me too. Loving the game too. Can anyone advise me on how to get the great screen shots from the game? I thought I tried Print Screen but didn't work since it's in its own full-screen resolution.

MichaelRyerson May 6, 2012 1:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5691016)
Still looking for car wash with Pig N Whistle in the background. One fascinating design "El Patio Auto" includes a turntable. Circa '29

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics26/00032778.jpghttp://jpg1.lapl.org/pics24/00031921.jpghttp://jpg3.lapl.org/pics02/00020534.jpglapl


Old school ca. '25. $1 open and $1.50 closed?
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics49/00074371.jpglapl

Arnold's Auto Laundry. Undated. 1141 East Anaheim, Long Beach.http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057664.jpghttp://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=60593


I believe the 'open' and 'closed' refer to the body types, i.e. $1.00 for roadsters and phaetons, $1.50 for coupe's and sedans.

austlar1 May 6, 2012 3:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 5690841)
You've got me convinced to get it too. Question, though, can you really just wander through the game without playing? Won't someone shoot you sooner or later and spoil the fun??

And I'd like to second your thanks to the guys who've been driving this thread. I've been learning tons of interesting and valuable information every day when I visit, so I really, really appreciate it. :)

Just want to jump in with an LA Noir (the game) observation. It is very realistic, but a lot of it (or most of it) does not seem to be based on actual buildings or streetscapes. I guess that would have been almost impossible to recreate. I once lived in a craftsman bungalow on S. Ardmore between 3rd and Beverly. The first thing I tried to do while exploring LA Noir was to drive past my old home in my hijacked auto. Turns out that the street in the game is not at all like my recollection of S. Ardmore. Seems like once you get out of downtown or away from Hollywood Blvd, the environment is mostly imagined. Don't get me wrong, I could spend hours prowling about this imagined LA because it is so beautifully rendered, but I find myself wondering what is based on reality and what is imagined.

fhammon May 6, 2012 11:45 AM

As simpatico to this thread as LA Noire seems, I hope you all realize this is really a twisted game. (twisted humor)

"How to Annoy You Partner" Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7lEx...eature=related

BifRayRock May 6, 2012 3:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5691458)
I believe the 'open' and 'closed' refer to the body types, i.e. $1.00 for roadsters and phaetons, $1.50 for coupe's and sedans.

I assumed as much; although contemporaneously, the banner is subject to a little interpretation. (Windows, businesses, eyes and more can all be open or closed.);) Besides, isn't there really only one question when taking your car to this particular establishment: "How wet would you prefer your interior, morning drizzle or unexpected monsoon?" There may be another reason to favor this establishment. Anyone make out the billboard for a "Bathing suit parade in Venice - with Female Judges?"

Regarding the LA Noir-game, I have only observed the stills posted here and a few shorts posted elsewhere on the net. It is visually stunning and clearly the stuff that dreams are made of. But does it capture the ethos of long traffic lines, vermin infestation (per above posts) and cars not made of rubber or polystyrene? :)

FWIW, here is a benign look at LA (light traffic and sunshine), that seems almost noir-less. It does cover many of the areas discussed in this forum, including downtown and Hollywood. Some of it may be from the mid-'50s, but end clips are '59 or later. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JO5i...eature=related

kanhawk May 6, 2012 4:51 PM

Storm drains along the Long Beach Pike-1929
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5087/5...6468ee66_b.jpg
1929-Storm Drains at the Long Beach Pike by ozfan22, on Flickr

kanhawk May 6, 2012 4:55 PM

Some old high schools. I know some of these have been covered before at different angles.

Dorsey High- 1939
3537 Farmdale Avenue
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2726/4...270d6d1e75.jpg
1939-Dorsey High School by ozfan22, on Flickr

Loyola High- 1957
1901 Venice Blvd
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2728/4...579d300f_b.jpg
1957-Loyola High School by ozfan22, on Flickr

Jefferson High- 1939
1319 E 41st Street
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2789/4...d93af5f6e4.jpg
1939-Jefferson High School by ozfan22, on Flickr

Hollywood High-1939
1521 N Highland Ave.
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4020/4...89515d1130.jpg
1939-Hollywood High School by ozfan22, on Flickr

ethereal_reality May 6, 2012 6:21 PM

:previous: Great views of the high schools.
I love Thomas Jefferson High's art deco architecture. I didn't know Hollywood High had that Sumerian looking frieze above the main entrance and that circular stand alone column. Does anyone have a close-up of either of these two unorthodox (for a school) features?

ethereal_reality May 6, 2012 6:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fhammon (Post 5691699)
As simpatico to this thread as LA Noire seems, I hope you all realize this is really a twisted game. (twisted humor)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7lEx...eature=related

:previous: LOL, I didn't know you could 'wreck' havoc like that!

ethereal_reality May 6, 2012 6:49 PM

A view down Hollywood Boulevard showing a portion of the Iris Theater marquee (we discussed the Iris earlier in the week).

http://imageshack.us/a/img843/2811/a...ctreasures.jpg
http://cinematreasures.org/

kznyc2k May 6, 2012 7:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moxie (Post 5690841)
You've got me convinced to get it too. Question, though, can you really just wander through the game without playing? Won't someone shoot you sooner or later and spoil the fun??

Good question considering it's made by the same people as all the Grand Theft Auto games. But unlike GTA, in this one you're a cop, which means it is your duty to uphold the law.....going on the offensive running over pedestrians and the like is strongly discouraged, and you can only use your gun when the game lets you (which is maybe 3% of the time). On the flipside, nobody will ever randomly come at you...you're a cop, after all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanlutz (Post 5691258)
OMG. Thanks to all you guys and this great forum I've been reading for the past two months, I went out last night to Fry's and bought my first ever PC Video Game, L.A. Noire. Now I have to beef up my RAM and Video card since I am not usually a gamer. It LOOKS great, though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanlutz (Post 5691431)
Me too. Loving the game too. Can anyone advise me on how to get the great screen shots from the game? I thought I tried Print Screen but didn't work since it's in its own full-screen resolution.

Awesome -- expect many, many hours of cruising and solving cases ahead! Sorry but I don't know how to get direct screenshots; I've just been using my camera and pointing it at my TV.

Quote:

Originally Posted by austlar1 (Post 5691567)
Just want to jump in with an LA Noir (the game) observation. It is very realistic, but a lot of it (or most of it) does not seem to be based on actual buildings or streetscapes. I guess that would have been almost impossible to recreate. I once lived in a craftsman bungalow on S. Ardmore between 3rd and Beverly. The first thing I tried to do while exploring LA Noir was to drive past my old home in my hijacked auto. Turns out that the street in the game is not at all like my recollection of S. Ardmore. Seems like once you get out of downtown or away from Hollywood Blvd, the environment is mostly imagined. Don't get me wrong, I could spend hours prowling about this imagined LA because it is so beautifully rendered, but I find myself wondering what is based on reality and what is imagined.

I agree with everything you say -- outside of the core areas, there's lots of interpreting and imagining going on.

Another observation: I find it interesting that they went for realism of the street grid over realism of the region, and by that I mean they accurately reproduced every street between Hollywood and Downtown, and that's all they did -- no beaches, no hills, no Valley, no South Central......the very first time I drove around and realized this I got pretty heated, no joke. I can only imagine these areas will be rendered in LA Noire 2 -- assuming there'll be one!

kznyc2k May 6, 2012 7:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5691274)
I am really liking the color noir shots.

Ask and ye shall receive:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7137/7...1f01ace5_b.jpg

Looking up Hope Street from the Library's tower:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7188/7...c7a8b048_b.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5039/7...b40b6725_b.jpg

MacArthur Park:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7126/7...2e484f35_b.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5160/7...9d6aca45_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7280/7...c347b4c1_b.jpg

Inside the Egyptian Theatre:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5345/7...7f710deb_b.jpg

The stained glass ceiling in the Hall of Records' rotunda:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7129/7...b0e421cd_b.jpg

And a couple more black and whites:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7262/7...ab05ef31_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7186/7...f53b7dec_b.jpg

MichaelRyerson May 6, 2012 7:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5691778)
I assumed as much; although contemporaneously, the banner is subject to a little interpretation. (Windows, businesses, eyes and more can all be open or closed.);) Besides, isn't there really only one question when taking your car to this particular establishment: "How wet would you prefer your interior, morning drizzle or unexpected monsoon?" There may be another reason to favor this establishment. Anyone make out the billboard for a "Bathing suit parade in Venice - with Female Judges?"

Regarding the LA Noir-game, I have only observed the stills posted here and a few shorts posted elsewhere on the net. It is visually stunning and clearly the stuff that dreams are made of. But does it capture the ethos of long traffic lines, vermin infestation (per above posts) and cars not made of rubber or polystyrene? :)

FWIW, here is a benign look at LA (light traffic and sunshine), that seems almost noir-less. It does cover many of the areas discussed in this forum, including downtown and Hollywood. Some of it may be from the mid-'50s, but end clips are '59 or later. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JO5i...eature=related

Duh. Sorry. I'm a little dense sometimes. As to the wet interiors, I'm guessing this particular car wash was not yet equipped with overhead sprinklers and was still using a handheld garden hose. Not as efficient perhaps but more controllable.

BifRayRock May 6, 2012 8:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5691926)
Duh. Sorry. I'm a little dense sometimes. As to the wet interiors, I'm guessing this particular car wash was not yet equipped with overhead sprinklers and was still using a handheld garden hose. Not as efficient perhaps but more controllable.

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics49/00074371.jpg

Please, no sorry necessary at all! I'll wager I can beat you hands down at cranial density.

I had someone peering over my shoulder who suggested (lightheartedly) that maybe the proprietor's advertising refers to a price increase after-hours? But the longer I look at the picture I am not even sure where the washing takes place, the dirt lot in the foreground, behind the stool, where high tech involves the use of two pails? ( I think I just talked myself into making the longer trip to Arnold's Auto Laundry in Anaheim.) :yes:

For what its worth, according to the reference source LAPL, the subject parking lot/car wash was located at Western and 11th Street, ca. '25. Expect there was a Goodyear tire store nearby, but of course that could have been just a building broadside (upper right hand corner).

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057662.jpghttp://jpg2.lapl.org/pics46/00057662.jpg

Thank you and others for their kind indulgence when reading my comments.

Mark L May 6, 2012 9:49 PM

documentary on movies depicting Los Angeles
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SNc4...e_gdata_player

not sure if this has been mentioned.
12-parter on youtube. from '03. good stuff
(altho the unemphatic voiceover can make you sleepy)

alanlutz May 7, 2012 2:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark L (Post 5692017)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SNc4...e_gdata_player

not sure if this has been mentioned.
12-parter on youtube. from '03. good stuff
(altho the unemphatic voiceover can make you sleepy)

Thanks for that great tip on Youtube, Mark. Of course I did fall asleep listening to this guy, sort of, but the movies and scenes he covers of L.A. Noir are great. I'm still watching.Now on episode 6 of 12 or however many there are.

fhammon May 7, 2012 3:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5691893)
:previous: LOL, I didn't know you could 'wreck' havoc like that!

So...you want to buy it now?
Truthfully, It will never even come close to competing with this tread. IMO
Not it''s intention, I'm sure.
This thread rules. Somebody should notify the Library of Congress.
I'm serious and grateful.

MichaelRyerson May 7, 2012 10:35 AM

[QUOTE=BifRayRock;5680721]
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5680641)
Welcome to the thread BifRayRock!
I've really enjoyed your posts these last two days (actually I was out of town so I just now finished viewing them in one fell swoop). You posted some truly amazing photographs and many interesting facts. Thank you for sharing them.

Back at you!

You folks have done a tremendous job. Only wish there was a simple means of categorizing some of these pics and discussions for easy reference.

One observation which others may have made, is the virtual absence of graffiti? It must have occurred. Fraternities and kids and mischief makers didn't disappear during the depths of the depression. Or were people generally more respectful, despite well known hardships. Were the negatives destroyed, or was paint/spray paint in short supply?

One can only imagine what would happen to a canvas like this today:

http://s3.hubimg.com/u/2905838_f496.jpg http://www.google.com/imgres?q=drive...:24,s:47,i:283


http://filmforno.com/wordpress/wp-co...anger_bw01.jpg

http://filmforno.com/wordpress/wp-co...caught_opt.jpghttp://www.filmforno.com/?cat=7

http://filmforno.com/wordpress/wp-co...ddenly-6sh.jpghttp://www.filmforno.com/?cat=7

Nice to see Robert Ryan, Barbara bel Geddes and James Mason brimming with youth but always great to see the underappreciated Richard Erdman even when he's mugging for the camera.

Engineeral May 7, 2012 2:20 PM

More music for the thread
 
Alan Parsons Project - noir video - Don't Answer Me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALC7kt6iUHY
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLvFbBR4XOg

Randy Newman: I Love L.A.:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTlbsBlsqok
or
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcADqxnQA_4

Chuckaluck May 7, 2012 6:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5461146)
And let's not forget Howard Hughes crashing into Beverly Hills in 1946:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3...ughescrash.jpgLenin Imports

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-d...2520PM.bmp.jpgEAA

Full story here:
EAA

Is it ever really the FULL story? The XF-11 struck 803 N Linden and 805 N. Linden (home of Rosemary DeCamp) - - down the street from Mr. Siegel's pad at 810 N Linden. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AISOmSQHl3...81945%2529.jpghttp://filmnoirphotos.blogspot.com/2...ry-decamp.html http://www.lacndb.com/php/America/Bu...el%20house.jpghttp://www.google.com

http://www.check-six.com/images/XF-11/xf-11path.jpg http://www.check-six.com/Crash_Sites...crash_site.htm

http://digital.library.unlv.edu/hugh...ain/xf11_2.jpg http://www.google.com http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2042/2...8a7cc70273.jpg http://www.flickr.com



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Can it be that no one has covered "7000 Romaine Street?" http://wiki.worldflicks.org/howard_h...dquarters.htmlhttp://www.leninimports.com/romaine_...o_hh_2_web.jpg http://www.leninimports.com/romaine_...o_hh_2_web.jpg http://federicodecalifornia.files.wo.../picture-3.pnghttp://www.google.com http://www.24-7pressrelease.com/atta...2399_11987.jpghttp://www.google.com

And down the street at 6900 Romaine? Auricon cameras.
http://www.you-are-here.com/modern/auricon.jpghttp://www.you-are-here.com/modern/auricon.htmlhttp://farm3.staticflickr.com/2286/2...f2b3dce4_o.jpg http://www.flickr.com

Not far from Lillian way and Eleanor Avenue? Metro Studios, Chaplin and Keaton locations?
http://www.moviediva.com/MD_root/MDi...of_Chaplin.jpg http://www.google.com

http://silentlocations.files.wordpre...pg?w=640&h=466http://silentlocations.files.wordpre...-pan-01-lr.jpg
http://silentlocations.files.wordpre...pg?w=640&h=149http://silentlocations.wordpress.com...ebut-one-week/

http://silentlocations.files.wordpre...aton-down1.jpg http://silentlocations.files.wordpre...aton-down1.jpg



http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Echoes-.../dp/189166106X

But I digress.

BifRayRock May 7, 2012 6:58 PM

[QUOTE=MichaelRyerson;5692498]
Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5680721)
Nice to see Robert Ryan, Barbara bel Geddes and James Mason brimming with youth but always great to see the underappreciated Richard Erdman even when he's mugging for the camera.

http://filmforno.com/wordpress/wp-co...anger_bw01.jpg

Maybe Mr. Erdman was pondering the value of a Silicone Polish Job?

http://cdn1.retronaut.co/wp-content/...16-520x520.jpghttp://www.retronaut.co/2012/02/mull...car-wash-1951/

Muller Bros. Car Wash, Hollywood '51
Three million washes (but who's counting?) Sure, feel free to put a chain on my bumper?

http://cdn1.retronaut.co/wp-content/...21-520x520.jpg http://cdn3.retronaut.co/wp-content/...19-520x520.jpg http://www.retronaut.co/2012/02/mull...car-wash-1951/

fhammon May 7, 2012 8:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kznyc2k (Post 5691913)
Another observation: I find it interesting that they went for realism of the street grid over realism of the region, and by that I mean they accurately reproduced every street between Hollywood and Downtown, and that's all they did -- no beaches, no hills, no Valley, no South Central......the very first time I drove around and realized this I got pretty heated, no joke. I can only imagine these areas will be rendered in LA Noire 2 -- assuming there'll be one!

Question/request for kznyc2k.
Is Union Station, Ferguson Alley, Old Chinatown etc. or the L.A. Plaza depicted in L.A. Noire?

Edit:
Actually I found this Youtube video but I 'd sure like to see some good screen captures. Pretty amazing what I've seen so far. Thanks for posting the stills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdf1pg9MHT8


The L.A. Plaza is there but it looks like L.A. Noire didn't feel moved to include the Lugo House or the Dragon's Den in any detail. Probably no Jerry's Joint either.

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1...china11949.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...7s#post5130242

Maybe they'll be included later.

Here's a video showing the L.A. Noire featured landmarks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7HnsRftYM

Pico Hotel and the L.A. Plaza - "El Pueblo de Los Angeles" featured landmark:

http://static.gamesradar.com/images/...icle_image.jpg
http://www.gamesradar.com/la-noire-f...-guide/?page=8

MichaelRyerson May 7, 2012 9:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5681394)
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics50/00059975.jpg

The photos appear to be from the late 70's. Judging from the theater marquee, the neighborhood was (and perhaps still is) at a crossroads. (It is unlikely the young man from the '50s - is in the 70's photo with a cane. He knew he was a good candidate for being struck in the crosswalk of that busy intersection or mugged for his shoes. He therefor moved to Downey and worked in aerospace. He is currently retired and living with his daughter in Fresno.)

Builders Emporium
on the NW corner (now occupied by OSH) was a natural place for local industry people to shop for rare spackling compound and counter-clockwise drywall screws - when Sears on Western and Santa Monica Blvd was out of stock and Koontz Hardware in W. Hollywood, Sears on San Vicente and Pico, Larchmont Hardware, and B&B (Washington Blvd.) - were too far to be inconvenienced.

http://www.whspioneers.org/builders_emporium.jpghttp://www.google.com/search?q=build...w=1280&bih=812

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3493/5...fea5f5fb_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/65359853@N00/5846073038/


Pico and Rimpau Sears:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C-F33CcVbX...0/Sears-43.jpg http://www.google.com/imgres?q=sears...9,r:5,s:0,i:80

http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/picoviaduct2.jpghttp://www.google.com/imgres?q=sears...9,r:8,s:0,i:86

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...8D8BD9D8F?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1335541320350http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...NG-4888-B?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1335541320350


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...7368cd7970b-pihttp://www.google.com/imgres?q=build...9,r:5,s:0,i:79

http://s3-media3.ak.yelpcdn.com/bpho...ZWoLNgfA/l.jpghttp://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/Xxkem...djn7UiZWoLNgfA

With a bucket full of poetic license - and if the Planets were in proper alignment - you should be able to hitchhike to the Sears at Pico and San Vicente. Upon discovery that they did not have the product you needed, you notice the Pacific Electric street car over the viaduct and decide to hop on and visit the Santa Monica Sears. Along the way you enjoy traveling Santa Monica Blvd. to what would later become Century City, ponder whether to audit a class or two at UCLA when crossing Westwood Blvd, and then wake up in Santa Monica and hope the Sears is open late. Getting home might be another matter especially since you left your wallet on the Streetcar.

http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/20thFox1.jpghttp://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/centurynow.jpg http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/smline.htmhttp://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/santamonicanear4th.jpghttp://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/smline.htm

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4151/5...108ae4c0_z.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/38310569@N02/5106181129/http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...-11.-ISLA?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1335541320350

Eventually, after many delays (due to Bulldozer crew's misplacing of their hardhats, overalls and sunglasses) the Freeway would be partially completed. After sticking around long enough to borrow a Packard 120 and take advantage of the Freeway, you notice the Sears in the far right of the picture and then realize you missed your turnoff as the car begins to sputter and run out of gas.:koko:


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...154-013~1?v=hrhttp://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...154-013~2?v=hr http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1335541320350

The Sears Roebuck on Santa Monica Blvd, just east of Western Ave, was the store in which my family shopped back in the late forties/early fifties. I remember the wonder of sneaking into the shoe department with my little brother (even when we didn't 'need' shoes) and standing up on the console xray machine (flouroscope?) to see our toes wiggling in our shoes. Some fun!

MichaelRyerson May 7, 2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5680757)
I still need my monkey fix. :)

Actually, I believe Monkey Island was farther up the pass, near the summit at 3300Cahuenga Blvd. In fact, legend has it the old Hanna-Barberra Studios were built on the site and with their address being 3400 it is certainly possible. If you go to the Historic Aerials website so thoughtfully provided by srk1941 in post #7508 this thread, enter 3300 Cahuenga Blvd, Los Angeles, Ca, punch up the 1948 image (the earliest available) I think you can still see the remnants of Monkey Island as it shows three structures near the street and the island itself just behind off the street surrounded by a still substantial fence. Mostly vacant property in the immediate area but there is evidence of some heavy construction equipment being used. I think Monkey Island's days were truly numbered. If I'm right.

BifRayRock May 8, 2012 1:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5693135)
The Sears Roebuck on Santa Monica Blvd, just east of Western Ave, was the store in which my family shopped back in the late forties/early fifties. I remember the wonder of sneaking into the shoe department with my little brother (even when we didn't 'need' shoes) and standing up on the console xray machine (flouroscope?) to see our toes wiggling in our shoes. Some fun!

I can only recall the store from its final post-bunker period when the walls appeared capable of withstanding who-knows-what and there was one exit manned by security. It was fairly obvious that things had changed, and not necessarily for the better. As you noted in an earlier post, the difference in appearance between old and new was dramatic.

From your earlier post, p 139:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4150/...2e1f754b_b.jpg


A photo from page 325 of this thread seems particularly appropos:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00085/00085733.jpg
"Looking west from the south side of the 6600 block of Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood. There is a fluoroscope business, where a $2 complete x-ray fluroscopic [sic] examination lets you "see your own organs with your own eyes" and the House of Westmore (6638 Sunset Boulevard), a beauty salon owned by the Westmore family of makeup fame. The sign for Wolf's Market can be seen in the background. Circa 1940."

and from page 28 of this thread (GW!):
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/2...nicablvdlo.jpg

BifRayRock May 8, 2012 1:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5693232)
Actually, I believe Monkey Island was farther up the pass, near the summit at 3300Cahuenga Blvd. In fact, legend has it the old Hanna-Barberra Studios were built on the site and with their address being 3400 it is certainly possible. If you go to the Historic Aerials website so thoughtfully provided by srk1941 in post #7508 this thread, enter 3300 Cahuenga Blvd, Los Angeles, Ca, punch up the 1948 image (the earliest available) I think you can still see the remnants of Monkey Island as it shows three structures near the street and the island itself just behind off the street surrounded by a still substantial fence. Mostly vacant property in the immediate area but there is evidence of some heavy construction equipment being used. I think Monkey Island's days were truly numbered. If I'm right.

Monkey Island miscellaneous: http://walmart666.blogspot.com/2007/...ey-island.html http://bp1.blogger.com/_sjtTyIA4eMI/...key_island.jpg

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/Mzg2WDY0MA...krew~~60_3.JPG http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/imag...s/100_6688.JPG Ebay

westcork May 8, 2012 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5693382)
[COLOR="Indigo"][SIZE="2"][FONT="Tahoma"]I can only recall the store from its final post-bunker period when the walls appeared capable of withstanding who-knows-what and there was one exit manned by security. It was fairly obvious that things had changed, and not necessarily for the better. As you noted in an earlier post, the difference in appearance between old and new was dramatic.

From your earlier post, p 139:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4150/...2e1f754b_b.jpg

There's a reason that Sears looks the way it does today:

http://flic.kr/p/9UynzD
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6535985...8115/lightbox/

ethereal_reality May 8, 2012 4:36 AM

That is a powerful photo westcork.

The scene is reminiscent of Nathanael West's 'The Day of the Locust'.

http://imageshack.us/a/img805/5466/a...tricksmerc.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6535985...8115/lightbox/

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ethereal_reality May 8, 2012 5:29 AM

An apothecary in Los Angeles 1910s.

http://imageshack.us/a/img99/7300/ap...angeleseba.jpg
ebay




http://imageshack.us/a/img207/7300/a...angeleseba.jpg
ebay

Sorry, no address.....it's interesting nonetheless. :)

ethereal_reality May 8, 2012 5:36 AM

Figueroa Street, downtown Los Angeles 1977.

http://imageshack.us/a/img16/1248/aa...1977flickr.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32196921@N06/6240780919/

....and today.

http://imageshack.us/a/img502/1041/aafigt2.jpg
google street view

3940dxer May 8, 2012 1:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5693232)
Actually, I believe Monkey Island was farther up the pass, near the summit at 3300 Cahuenga Blvd. In fact, legend has it the old Hanna-Barberra Studios were built on the site and with their address being 3400 it is certainly possible. If you go to the Historic Aerials website so thoughtfully provided by srk1941 in post #7508 this thread, enter 3300 Cahuenga Blvd, Los Angeles, Ca, punch up the 1948 image (the earliest available) I think you can still see the remnants of Monkey Island as it shows three structures near the street and the island itself just behind off the street surrounded by a still substantial fence. Mostly vacant property in the immediate area but there is evidence of some heavy construction equipment being used. I think Monkey Island's days were truly numbered. If I'm right.

I think you're right. A couple of weeks ago I went exploring with a local gentleman I know from work. He is now 80, and his parents took him to Monkey Island a few times when he was about 8. He felt quite sure it was on the "island" shaped site between Mulholland and Hillpark Drive. As has been pointed out the address of 3300 doesn't square with this location, but we thought that perhaps, with all the changes to those roads over the years, the addresses were reassigned at some point.

Armed with a large print of one and only clear photo of MI (from the Hollywood Historic Photos site) we drove to several spots along Cahuenga West, trying to match the profile of the hills in that photo to what is seen today.

Unfortunately, the exercise was inconclusive. Tree growth now hides the lines of the hills, and buildings and other construction make it hard to match the perspective and sight lines of the original pic. We could only agree that MI might have been at the South of Mulholland location, and might have been just South of the Hanna Barbera building, where there is now a small park (with no visible remains of MI).

The more I think about it, the less likely it seems that the street numbers were changed. I'll go back and study the aerial you mention; that indeed may a good clue. I'll also re-visit the park site, and study the hills more closely. Maybe I can try to sketch the hill profile, mentally erasing the trees from it.

While it's hard to be certain without more evidence, I feel 90% sure that the site of Monkey Island is now El Paseo De Cahuenga Park, at 3300 Cahuenga Blvd. West (the same address as MI), just North of Barham. There is small plaque on the grounds; a memorial to the 9-11 fire fighters. Parts of MI may also have been on the the current H-B property.

http://wwww.dkse.net/david/Cahuenga/...huengaPark.jpg
http://maps.google.com/maps

Chuckaluck May 8, 2012 3:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 3940dxer (Post 5693708)
I As has been pointed out the address of 3300 doesn't square with this location, but we thought that perhaps, with all the changes to those roads over the years, the addresses were reassigned at some point.

The Monkey Island Miscellaneous link supports the theory that the street addresses could have been changed. The following is taken directly from that link http://walmart666.blogspot.com/2007/...ey-island.html

"While the address of Monkey island read 3300 Cahuenga Blvd. the actual address is now a public park with no indication that monkey island existed. There are some interesting foundations just on the other side of the freeway. This closely matched the description of Monkey Island. Its a prime place and ... who knows... the numbering of the streets may have very well changed in the past 80 years. This may simply be the remains of the estate that once was at the corner of Barham and Cahuenga. The interesting thing is that it has a mock hill and a little cave and about a 150 foot foundation.
This is a photo of the new Hollywood freeway going thru the Cahuenga pass. (note that creepy bathhouse-esque FANSCAPE building is at the corner of Barham and Cahuenga. its still there. Who knew it was that old!) The red "circle" is the address of Monkey Island and the green "circle" is where I found the mystery foundation on the other side of the freeway. This foundation is inside the fenceline of universal studios. It is not a set. it is clearly the foundation for an outdoor plaza of some sort. There was an estate here at one point but I have yet to find pictures of it.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_sjtTyIA4eMI/...0/IMG_3988.JPG
http://bp3.blogger.com/_sjtTyIA4eMI/...key+island.jpg

The only picture I have located with the estate partially visible is :
http://bp0.blogger.com/_sjtTyIA4eMI/...barham.JPG.jpg

". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "

"Monkey Island

This unusual amusement was located at 3300 Cahuenga Boulevard, on the Valley side of Cahuenga Pass—the Times usually described it as on Ventura Boulevard. Operated by Adolph Weiss, Monkey Island opened December 9, 1938. A large herd of monkeys, numbering in the hundreds, roamed over an "island" about 150 feet long, with a 40-foot plastic mountain, surrounded by moats and covered with netting. There were palm trees, swings and billy oats for the monkeys to amuse themselves, and waterfalls where they could keep cool. Visitors paid to come in and watch the monkeys and feed them peanuts and vegetables. When the moats were drained in August, 1940, about 100 monkeys fled. Weiss calmly told police "they'll be back," and most apparently did return at feeding time. Escapes were common.
Filmaker Warren Miller recalls monkey island: "I had come to visit a new tourist attraction that was built right near the first Valley stop on The Pacific Electric Railroad, the route of the Big Red Cars. Some investor had built a 40-foot-high, fake plaster and cement mountain and surrounded it with a 20-foot-wide moat of slimy, green, stagnant water. The attraction was 100 undernourished, morose monkeys sitting on the concrete mountain watching you watching them. For 10 cents, you could watch the monkeys. For another five cents, you could buy a bag of peanuts and throw them to the monkeys." When Monkey Island closed is unknown. It is now a city park. "

http://walmart666.blogspot.com/2007/...ey-island.html

Chuckaluck May 8, 2012 3:43 PM

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Originally Posted by westcork (Post 5693440)
There's a reason that Sears looks the way it does today:

It probably goes without saying that in someone's mind, changes are always supposed to be good for retail and attract business. If the "Hollywood" Sears was profitable - enough, along with a majority of other Sears stores, it still might be open. There are a lot of tangibles and intangibles to consider, including leases, location and product line.

I would venture to guess there are a lot of reasons for the architectural style changes, but in this case I believe the remodel occurred much earlier then the 1990s and it may have been incremental. I am no fan of the latest look, but the simple bread-box exterior would have been less expensive to accomplish than a lot of ginger bread which might have dated the place before its time. I would be curious to know whether the original store (1927?) was air conditioned and whether it was originally equipped with industrial "fluorescent" lighting, or more likely, when those things were added. That would have drastically altered the thinking respecting all of the windows. Notice, for example, the Drive-in facade on the 1950s North Hollywood Store.
http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2660/5...7fd609aa_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/6535985...6593/lightbox/

Shame more buildings like the Westwood Sears aren't around.
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5239/5...7fa1e569_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/6535985...8081/lightbox/

Could you order a DC3 from the Sears Catalog?:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3452/5...19e4147c_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/6535985...4980/lightbox/ :haha:

Handsome Stranger May 8, 2012 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5686030)
I don't drive in Los Angeles regularly, but someone once told me that nowadays such "darting" is accepted in that, when the light turns green, oncoming traffic expects at least one car to turn from the opposing turning lane.... I've never tried it... but Rex, is this true?

For what it's worth, I do a fair amount of driving all over Los Angeles and surrounding cities, and I've never seen that particular maneuver. What I do see happening...all too often...is knuckleheads who use the right hand turn lane at lighted intersections as a passing lane. Instead of turning right, they step on the gas as soon as the light turns green, go through the intersection, and swerve back into traffic. It's bad enough when one or two cars at a time do this, but I know certain intersections where it's not uncommon to see six, seven, eight cars all trying to do the same thing at the same time. Of course that wreaks havoc on trafffic. :hell:

3940dxer May 8, 2012 6:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 5693807)
The Monkey Island Miscellaneous link supports the theory that the street addresses could have been changed. The following is taken directly from that link http://walmart666.blogspot.com/2007/...ey-island.html

"While the address of Monkey island read 3300 Cahuenga Blvd. the actual address is now a public park with no indication that monkey island existed. There are some interesting foundations just on the other side of the freeway. This closely matched the description of Monkey Island. Its a prime place and ... who knows... the numbering of the streets may have very well changed in the past 80 years. This may simply be the remains of the estate that once was at the corner of Barham and Cahuenga. The interesting thing is that it has a mock hill and a little cave and about a 150 foot foundation.
This is a photo of the new Hollywood freeway going thru the Cahuenga pass. (note that creepy bathhouse-esque FANSCAPE building is at the corner of Barham and Cahuenga. its still there. Who knew it was that old!) The red "circle" is the address of Monkey Island and the green "circle" is where I found the mystery foundation on the other side of the freeway. This foundation is inside the fenceline of universal studios. It is not a set. it is clearly the foundation for an outdoor plaza of some sort. There was an estate here at one point but I have yet to find pictures of it.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_sjtTyIA4eMI/...0/IMG_3988.JPG
http://bp3.blogger.com/_sjtTyIA4eMI/...key+island.jpg


Yes, I read those pages after I first learned about Monkey Island. In the old B&W view above, which looks north towards the valley, I think the area circled in red (now the park) is correct and the one circled in green (also interesting, and worth a little sleuthing some day) is home to some other relic.

The green circled area on the East side of the pass doesn't seem to match the photo but also, it is on a fairly steep slope. I don't see how it would have supported visitor parking.

The little map on the matchbook is a good clue, but that's confusing too because Cahuenga was changed so many times. In the very early days it skirted the west side of the pass, becoming Ventura Blvd. somewhere near Monkey Island. (The older roadway would have been to the left of the red circle.)

The matchbook map shows MI east of the roadway. In today's world this would definitely put Monkey Island in the green area, but in 1938 (and remember, this place was only there for about 2 years), with the roadway on the west edge of the pass, both the red and the green areas would agree with the map.

Definitely tricky! I might check an old plat book downtown some day, if I can access it -- that would confirm the location for sure.

ethereal_reality May 8, 2012 6:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuckaluck (Post 5693807)
The red "circle" is the address of Monkey Island and the green "circle" is where I found the mystery foundation on the other side of the freeway. This foundation is inside the fenceline of universal studios. It is not a set. it is clearly the foundation for an outdoor plaza of some sort.

I bet there are monkey bones on the correct site. Any one up for a middle of the night visit with a shovel? :)

ethereal_reality May 8, 2012 6:49 PM

A very nice house located at 2203 Rogers Avenue at Chicago Street. Winter 1903-04.

http://imageshack.us/a/img29/8026/aa...ersaveatch.jpg
found on ebay





http://imageshack.us/a/img19/2627/aa...eravenuelo.jpg
ebay






http://imageshack.us/a/img214/374/aa...ersaveporc.jpg
ebay



http://imageshack.us/a/img851/8026/a...ersaveatch.jpg
reverse side of first photo

fhammon May 8, 2012 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5694132)
A very nice house located at 2203 Rogers Avenue at Chicago Street. Winter 1903-04.

http://imageshack.us/a/img29/8026/aa...ersaveatch.jpg
found on ebay



If you go this address via Google streetview, you'll notice that maybe one or both of the houses are still present but much altered. I could be wrong but the two house I'm seeing should be old enough. It's possible that the featured house burned down a decade or so after it was built.

ethereal_reality May 8, 2012 9:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fhammon (Post 5653474)
"A photograph taken in 1924, looking south towards the Baldwin Hills. The Heinz 57 concrete numbers are
visible on the side of the Baldwin Hills.
LAPL"

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OOy0b9auI9...n+hills+57.jpg





I found this 'mystery' photo on an old cd of mine. pls. scan right--->

http://imageshack.us/a/img844/1295/a...eldmystery.jpg
I can't remember/maybe ebay

I never knew where this was located until I recalled fhammon's post on the Heinz 57 sign overlooking Baldwin Village.

Does anyone recognize this 'monument/sculpture' to Richfield Oil ? It seems to be placed in an empty field....a defunct oil field perhaps?
The 'base' looks like it could be temporary...especially where it meets the grass on the right hand side.
The material looks rather cheap and the seams are shoddy (again on the right hand side).
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Another connection to the 'mystery' photograph is the sculptor Finn Haakon Frolich.

I came across this photo during my recent research on Frolich's 'Jack London' House located on the dead-end La Vista Court.
Sure enough, it's the same sculpture!


http://imageshack.us/a/img41/7949/aa57ritch1larger.jpg
http://paradiseleased.wordpress.com/...-to-hollywood/



below: Here's a smaller view of the 'mystery' photo.

http://imageshack.us/a/img844/8961/aa57smallerview.jpg
unknown





http://imageshack.us/a/img15/9093/aa...dposterhub.jpg
http://speedwayposters.amazonwebstor...B0019J8FJE.htm

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Graybeard May 8, 2012 9:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fhammon (Post 5694328)
If you go this address via Google streetview, you'll notice that maybe one or both of the houses are still present but much altered. I could be wrong but the two house I'm seeing should be old enough. It's possible that the featured house burned down a decade or so after it was built.

The house on the right of the featured house appears to still be there. The lot that the featured house sits on now has 2 small houses on it.

fhammon May 8, 2012 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Graybeard (Post 5694406)
The house on the right of the featured house appears to still be there. The lot that the featured house sits on now has 2 small houses on it.

Yes. I see it now. I was looking on the wrong side of the street. Here's a shot of the "house behind the house" identifiable by the diamond shaped attic vents.
That's a nice looking Craftsman but it can't be too much older than the Victorian. 20 years max. maybe.
Seems a shame since in the photo, the featured house looks brand new without even proper landscaping yet. The people were obviously proud of it.

http://i47.tinypic.com/24msrhz.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img29/8026/aa...ersaveatch.jpg

ETA.
I just noticed the vacant lot next to the Victorian between the two houses in the photo. The Craftsman could have been built at any time after they became fashionable.


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