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HossC Aug 7, 2020 6:21 PM

:previous:

Here's an aerial from 1971, but the layout looks pretty similar. The intersection with the bridge is S Beverly Glen Boulevard. The perpendicular parked cars are about a block west of the intersection, followed by the parallel parked ones. Four billboards can be seen to the north of the tracks, with another two visible to the east on the full image.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...onicaBlvd3.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Roughly the same view today.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...onicaBlvd4.jpg
Google Maps

Lwize Aug 7, 2020 6:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9004105)
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I remember when I lived in L.A. back in the 1980s the area along Santa Monica Blvd. from Century City, west, to the San Diego Freeway (405) was. .umm. . .a special kind of ugly.


This is how I remember it.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Mgj1X6.jpg
old file/1970s?

The highlines, utility poles and the neverending line of billboards. :yuck:

The billboard blight disappeared x years ago when the railroad ROW was removed and SMB reclaimed the land from Century City to the 405.

I live a few blocks from the removed blight.

Martin Pal Aug 7, 2020 6:55 PM

:previous:

Lwize, "x" years ago...20-30 right?

E_R, I'm glad you posted that photo. I saw it while I was looking up things about Century City the last two days and was going to post it, but I couldn't find it again and then forgot about it.

Martin Pal Aug 7, 2020 7:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9003521)
Here's a mad suggestion for the secret party location.
If you search the RSVP phone number (HO 2 - 0580) on the invitation letter, it's only listed once, in 1960 for 583½ N. Windsor Blvd.
In the same building at 583 lives a woman named Eden Ryl.
https://i.imgur.com/tnKivhk.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org
So the guests can mingle out in Eden's garden - The Garden Of Eden.
:D ....... :runaway:
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Mad, but so was Sinatra a "few" times! Heh!

Hmmm...Evan and Eden-were they living in sin?

I wonder if we could figure out who Peter Schaefer was, if he was co-ordinating this party and where he worked or something?

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9003708)
:previous:

583 N. Windsor (kind of near Melrose and Van Ness; a block away from Paramount):

https://i.postimg.cc/28JCfXgy/583-North-Windsor.jpg
gsv
_________________________________________________________________


In the 1950's and 60's, with cars being so huge, how difficult was it to drive them through these, what look really narrow to me, porte cochères?

Martin Pal Aug 7, 2020 7:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 9003727)
I'm assuming it is authentic, based on two factors:
_________________________________________________________________


I think your reasoning is quite accurate!


I love the photos you've occasionally posted of your family, Scott Charles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 9003727)
Here's my mom (the Japanese lady) at one of these events with Groucho:

https://i.imgur.com/BdR8J0D.jpg
_________________________________________________________________

I picture the lady on the right saying: "Well! I didn't come here to be insulted!"

Groucho: "No? Where do you usually go?"

Lwize Aug 7, 2020 7:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9004214)
:previous:

Lwize, "x" years ago...20-30 right?

The SMB improvement project occurred during the 2010's.


EDIT: the project was completed in 2006.

HossC Aug 7, 2020 7:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9004214)

Lwize, "x" years ago...20-30 right?

E_R, I'm glad you posted that photo. I saw it while I was looking up things about Century City the last two days and was going to post it, but I couldn't find it again and then forgot about it.

This similar color view was posted by e_r back in 2017.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7732498)

"Various billboards along Santa Monica Blvd near Beverly Hills, 1977"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/4irfQl.jpg
www.alamy.com


HossC Aug 7, 2020 7:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9003708)

583 N. Windsor (kind of near Melrose and Van Ness; a block away from Paramount):

https://i.postimg.cc/28JCfXgy/583-North-Windsor.jpg
gsv

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9004242)

In the 1950's and 60's, with cars being so huge, how difficult was it to drive them through these, what look really narrow to me, porte cochères?

The property was apparently built in 1924, but I can't believe that the porte cochère was ever usable. Even if you somehow managed to open your car door, there's no entrance to the building on the side.

odinthor Aug 7, 2020 9:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9004242)
Mad, but so was Sinatra a "few" times! Heh!

Hmmm...Evan and Eden-were they living in sin?

I wonder if we could figure out who Peter Schaefer was, if he was co-ordinating this party and where he worked or something?




In the 1950's and 60's, with cars being so huge, how difficult was it to drive them through these, what look really narrow to me, porte cochères?

https://i.postimg.cc/jdxVG2Pd/midget-car.jpg
from https://www.vintag.es/2013/05/old-ph...dget-cars.html (arrow added)

pjenn Aug 7, 2020 10:31 PM

High Hopes and Garden of Eden
 
The letterhead probably was used in Frank Capra's "Hole in the Head". Sinatra played the manager of the "Garden of Eden" hotel. "High Hopes" was written for the film.

Here's a wikipedia article on the movie:

A Hole in the Head (1959) is a DeLuxe Color comedy film, in CinemaScope, directed by Frank Capra, featuring Frank Sinatra, Edward G. Robinson, Eleanor Parker, Keenan Wynn, Carolyn Jones, Thelma Ritter, Dub Taylor, Ruby Dandridge, Eddie Hodges, and Joi Lansing, and released by United Artists.[2][3] It was based upon the play of the same name by Arnold Schulman.

The film introduced the song "High Hopes" by Sammy Cahn and Jimmy Van Heusen, a Sinatra standard used as a campaign song by John F. Kennedy during the presidential election the following year.[4] Wynn plays a wealthy former friend of Sinatra's character who expresses interest in his plan to build a Disneyland in Florida (the film predates Disney World)—until he notices that Sinatra seems too desperate as he cheers for a dog upon which he'd bet heavily. The movie ends with Tony, Eloise and Ally singing "High Hopes" on the beach. Sinatra sings "All My Tomorrows," another Cahn/Van Heusen song, under the opening titles.

The screenplay was adapted by playwright Arnold Schulman, whose father was the operator of a Miami, Florida hotel. The protagonist of A Hole in the Head is a Miami hotel operator of "The Garden of Eden." The actual hotel used for the exterior shots was the Cardozo Hotel, located on Miami Beach's Ocean Drive. Shot over 40 days from 10 November 1958 to 9 January 1959, the film did not enjoy the smoothest of productions, especially during the location filming at Miami Beach. Sinatra's relations with the press were problematic, the media seizing on every anti-Sinatra rumor they could find.[5]

Aided by William Daniels, Capra completed the film a full 80 days ahead of schedule, its final production cost of $1.89 million well under the allotted budget. The film opened on June 17, 1959. Although having some positive reviews, the film was a modest box-office success, grossing $4 million in America.[5]

Sammy Cahn and Jimmy Van Heusen won the Academy Award for Best Original Song for "High Hopes".

CaliNative Aug 8, 2020 4:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9003498)
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A drive-through polio vaccine clinic held six decades ago in Glendale, California.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/2MJkwe.jpg
LIFE via THE WASHINGTON POST


This could be us in the near future.


Does anyone recall the Cutter Incident. It's a very interesting story and cautionary tale.
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I remember lining up for the Sabin polio vaccine when I was 10 in 1962. They gave it in a little sugar cube which you swallowed. Swallowing a sugar cube was less scary to a kid than the Salk vaccine, which was a shot in the rump or arm. However, the Sabin vaccine used viruses that we're still partly alive, so once in a while (rare) some got polio symptoms. The Salk vaccine used killed viruses (except in the Cutter lab screwup), so it was generally a bit safer. But in recent decades I believe the Sabin-type vaccine with weakened (attenuated) viruses is the more commonly used because it is cheaper to produce and administer.

Had a rough day today. Lost my cat Maya, sweetest & smartest cat ever. Maya was very brave at the end and even purred and didn't complain. I hope I am as brave at my end. If there is a heaven I can't imagine a good God leaving the dogs and cats outside. Rest in peace sweet Maya. I will miss you dearly.

robeach11 Aug 8, 2020 4:48 AM

Sincere condolences...

Lorendoc Aug 8, 2020 5:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robeach11 (Post 9004668)
sincere condolences...

:previous: +1

Otis Criblecoblis Aug 8, 2020 6:55 AM

CaliNative,

My sincere condolences at your loss. All I can say is, I empathize.

Scott Charles Aug 8, 2020 7:50 AM

My condolences, CaliNative - I lost my cat Petey Pete just about a month ago. If there's a heaven without cats and dogs, I don't wanna go there.

https://i.imgur.com/xZYS0o5.jpg

Scott Charles Aug 8, 2020 7:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9004250)
I think your reasoning is quite accurate!

I love the photos you've occasionally posted of your family, Scott Charles.

I picture the lady on the right saying: "Well! I didn't come here to be insulted!"

Groucho: "No? Where do you usually go?"

:haha:

Thanks, Martin Pal! I stumbled across a great cache of old photos in the garage lately, but almost none of them are appropriate fare for Noirish LA - I wish my parents had taken some photos of buildings once in a while instead of ONLY taking pictures of people!

Bristolian Aug 8, 2020 3:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 9002800)
Going through my late father's stuff recently, I found this letter:

https://i.imgur.com/zAo7yKf.jpg

Scott,

Am I correct in assuming this letter is going to be framed and prominently displayed? I know that's what I would do.

Hollywood Graham Aug 8, 2020 3:42 PM

Losing A Loved One
 
I offer my condolences to you on losing your cat. Our pets are more than just a cat or dog they are family. At the beginning of the year I lost my favorite Wiemarimer, I was heart broken. My other Wien grieved and gradually passed away too. I still miss them greatly.

Martin Pal Aug 8, 2020 6:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9004267)
This similar color view was posted by e_r back in 2017.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/4irfQl.jpg
_________________________________________________________________

You can even see the Hollywood sign, 10 miles away, among the telephone poles in this photo, what the heck kind of lens was this taken with?

Martin Pal Aug 8, 2020 6:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9004242)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9003521)
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https://i.imgur.com/tnKivhk.jpg
_________________________________________________________________

I wonder if we could figure out who Peter Schaefer was, if he was co-ordinating this party and where he worked or something?

_________________________________________________________________


Who is it that's looked up people in old census statistics for many posts? Maybe he's in the 1960 census at this address and lists his occupation.

odinthor Aug 8, 2020 6:33 PM

:previous:

It appears that our Miss Ryl is--and indeed still "is," as she's now living in Laguna Hills--a name to conjure with. She was a sales consultant for You Bet Your Life in 1961 (see her IMDB listing); and in the course of time did a well-remembered video, which is on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP7MzmjHmZc

and her work has a continuing presence:

https://i.postimg.cc/tJd7yZ8D/EdenRyl.jpg
http://www.superb.org/support/main.htm

pjenn Aug 8, 2020 6:41 PM

Peter Schaefer lived at the same address in 1993
 
Name: Peter Schaefer
Gender: Male
Residence Years: 1993
Address: 583 1/2 N Windsor Blvd
Residence Place: Los Angeles, California, USA
Zip Code: 90004
Phone Number: 213-462-0580
View Neighbors: View Neighbor

from Ancestry.com

LA Kitty Kat Aug 8, 2020 8:39 PM

I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your cat. I lost one of mine in March of this year. Your post brought tears to my eyes again

Scott Charles Aug 9, 2020 1:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 9004874)
Scott,

Am I correct in assuming this letter is going to be framed and prominently displayed? I know that's what I would do.

I certainly will end up framing it, Bristolian - I actually found so many cool old photos while going through my parents' things, I think I'll be buying more than a few new picture frames!

:)

Bristolian Aug 9, 2020 2:50 AM

:previous:

Very cool. My dad was a big Sinatra fan but I'm afraid his closest connection was a pretty cool photo he took of Frank at a concert at the forum in the '70s.

Lwize Aug 9, 2020 5:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9004992)
You can even see the Hollywood sign, 10 miles away, among the telephone poles in this photo, what the heck kind of lens was this taken with?

Based on the Phoenix by Pontiac billboard, the photo was taken between 1976-1979.

Any decent camera with fine grain film and glass lens could have picked up the Hollywood sign, which is only eight miles away from the position on the shooter.

ethereal_reality Aug 9, 2020 3:50 PM

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Here is a truly fascinating look at downtown Long Beach in 1899!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/qajGBx.jpg
It popped up on eBay last night.

If you look closely there is an island visible off in the distance. (see enlargement at bottom of post)


The reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/3cK8dO.jpg





So what island is it? The islands I know of (Deadman's, Mormon, Rattlesnake) are all off of San Pedro.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/k8NhlS.jpg
detail

And it's too low on the horizon to be Catalina.



I'm so sorry about Maya, CaliNative. I'm sure she's purring up in cat heaven.
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Bristolian Aug 9, 2020 3:56 PM

:previous:

It's difficult to really see the shape but being Long Beach, I thought it could be could be Signal Hill. Based on the shadows, the photo was taken pretty much looking into the sun. Signal Hill is northeast of downtown Long Beach so that doesn't really line up.

Noir_Noir Aug 9, 2020 6:06 PM

:previous:

The picture is looking south on Pine Ave at the corner of 1st Street.

Sign for the Iowa Villa (Long Beach Sanborn Map 1898 below) at top right in picture.


https://i.imgur.com/YDt0X6f.jpg
loc.gov - Sanborn Fire Insurance Map from Long Beach 1898

odinthor Aug 9, 2020 7:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9005464)
.
Here is a truly fascinating look at downtown Long Beach in 1899!

[...]

If you look closely there is an island visible off in the distance. (see enlargement at bottom of post)


[...]



So what island is it? The islands I know of (Deadman's, Mormon, Rattlesnake) are all off of San Pedro.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/k8NhlS.jpg
detail

And it's too low on the horizon to be Catalina.



[...]

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e_r, it sure does look like an island . . . and I--born in Long Beach and intimately familiar with it ever since--was baffled . . . until I ran across this 1899 pic:

https://i.postimg.cc/d3dd4hfv/LBPav1899.jpg
https://www.periodpaper.com/products...93267-los1-277

The island is the top of the pavilion . . .

CaliNative Aug 9, 2020 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 9004720)
My condolences, CaliNative - I lost my cat Petey Pete just about a month ago. If there's a heaven without cats and dogs, I don't wanna go there.

https://i.imgur.com/xZYS0o5.jpg

Thanks Scott & all the rest of you who have said kind words about the loss of my sweet cat Maya. If I can figure out how, I'll post a pic or two of her. She was a beautiful black & white short hair domestic. So smart, so sweet. She was only 9, but stopped eating and even drinking. The vet thought she may have had a kidney disease. She didn't suffer much & was very brave. I'm getting her ashes back next week and will scatter them in her yard which she loved. Last night I thought I heard her meow in the next room, but I'm sure I dreamed it. I was dozing but it woke me up. The sadness will fade but not the good memories. I'm not sure if I will get another cat, at least for a while. I would always be comparing her to Maya, and that wouldn't be fair. Sorry for the loss of your cat Pete.

ethereal_reality Aug 9, 2020 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9005639)
e_r, it sure does look like an island . . . and I--born in Long Beach and intimately familiar with it ever since--was baffled . . . until I ran across this 1899 pic:

https://i.postimg.cc/d3dd4hfv/LBPav1899.jpg
https://www.periodpaper.com/products...93267-los1-277

The island is the top of the pavilion . . .

*slaps forehead*......I believe you're right, odinthor. Good eye! :worship:


And thanks for pointing out the IOWA sign for Iowa Villa, Noir Noir. The place must have been hopping during the annual Iowa Picnics.

"Long Beach became ubiquitous as an expatriate Iowan community. Des Moines Register columnist Chuck Offenberger noted in a 1994 column
that it even had the nickname "Iowa by the Sea." According to Offenberger, the first picnic was held New Year's Day in 1887 and attended by 408 people.

The Los Angeles Times reported that the celebration reached its peak attendance in 1925 with 125,000."

riichkay Aug 10, 2020 6:32 AM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
ucla

View from the West Ocean Boulevard bridge over the end of the Los Angeles River towards the Venetian Square apartments and bungalows on Shoreline Drive. A small trolley full of people is on the bridge....1929.

CityBoyDoug Aug 10, 2020 5:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9005923)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
ucla

View from the West Ocean Boulevard bridge over the end of the Los Angeles River towards the Venetian Square apartments and bungalows on Shoreline Drive. A small trolley full of people is on the bridge....1929.

Those little houses at the left are part of what became The Jungle. It was a seaside village of society castoffs. It was finally bulldozed into oblivion after WW II when seedy Long Beach was trying to clean up its act.

Note the Villa Riviera in the distant fog at the right side.

CityBoyDoug Aug 10, 2020 5:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 9004720)
My condolences, CaliNative - I lost my cat Petey Pete just about a month ago. If there's a heaven without cats and dogs, I don't wanna go there.

https://i.imgur.com/xZYS0o5.jpg

Dogs and cats............hello

ethereal_reality Aug 10, 2020 7:09 PM

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We have seen this image of Seventh Street in downtown Los Angeles decorated for the 1932 Olympic Games.


. . .but I don't believe we have seen this one of Los Angeles St. that turned up on eBay a month or so ago.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/EXtxH5.jpg
August 1932


the reverse
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/lKsCUP.jpg






I made it a bit larger. (and blurrier)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/uuKD34.jpg

We have seen the gabled building on the corner at right numerous times but I can't remember the name.

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ethereal_reality Aug 10, 2020 7:13 PM

Here's that same building, some forty yrs. earlier, in a photograph that was also recently on eBay.


La Fiesta celebration, 1895.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/yqFWgT.jpg
eBay

hmmm. . . .or is it the same building? I just looked at two images side-by-side. . .and now I have my doubts.



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ethereal_reality Aug 10, 2020 7:35 PM

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Before we get too far removed from our Century City exploits I want to point you toward this 13 minute video from the 1970s.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/d4bBYr.jpg

.................................................................................Go Here (reddit)


Here's a sampling of my screenshots.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/fyzZtw.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ytedJ7.jpg


The video has pretty much something for everyone including some very attractive ladies in mini-skirts walking around.

My favorite is the time lapse photography of the Century Plaza Hotel being built. (column four, above)

Disappointingly, the International House Restaurant isn't mentioned (but we see two glimpses of the exterior)

Two nightclubs that I haven't heard of are mentioned (and shown) One is the The Westside Room and the other is the subterranean (I think) Hong Kong Bar.





Here's a direct link to YouTube

Video Link

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Martin Pal Aug 10, 2020 7:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 9005316)
Based on the Phoenix by Pontiac billboard, the photo was taken between 1976-1979.

Any decent camera with fine grain film and glass lens could have picked up the Hollywood sign, which is only eight miles away from the position on the shooter.
_________________________________________________________________

FYI: I got the "ten miles" figure from Google which said it was 9.7 from Beverly Hills.

Snix Aug 10, 2020 8:13 PM

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Snix Aug 10, 2020 8:15 PM

Hedda Hopper mentioned the Frank Sinatra party in her column.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...72eaebf7_b.jpg
Tucson Daily Citizen June 17, 1959, page 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 9002800)
Going through my late father's stuff recently, I found this letter:

https://i.imgur.com/zAo7yKf.jpg

My dad always told me he was friends with Frank Sinatra back in his days as a reporter, so I admit I was thrilled to find this! I wish I found a photo of them together, but I'll take what I can get!

Though the letter is not dated, Sinatra mentions “High Hopes”, which is a song he released on June 5th, 1959. And June 9th was a Tuesday in 1959, so I think it's reasonable to assume this letter is from 1959.

At first glance I thought the letter mentioned the Garden of Allah, but on closer inspection it's actually the Garden of Eden. Anyone familiar with this place?

I looked up the address for “Puccini” (224 South Beverly Drive) on Google Maps. It's now “Ruth's Chris Steak House”, which seems to have gone out of business.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ru...!4d-118.398768

PS: My mom (also a reporter) liked to tell the story of how she first met Sinatra.

She was down at the Police Station, following up on a story in the mid-1940s, when in march two police officers with a “skinny kid” in handcuffs. Of course, it was Frank Sinatra. He'd gotten arrested for getting in a fistfight.

Despite this violent infraction, my mom said that Sinatra was the picture of charm, was very friendly, and spoke with her at length. Being that this was right after WWII, and my mother was Japanese, not every person was so friendly to her.

A few phone calls were made, and Sinatra was released without being charged. Of course, my mom never reported this story; back then, reporters routinely covered up celebrity high jinks.


HossC Aug 10, 2020 8:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9006436)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/uuKD34.jpg

We have seen the gabled building on the corner at right numerous times but I can't remember the name.

The building above looks like the Martz Flats at 7th and Flower, but I think your second image is a different building, e_r.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 6201954)
A couple years ago the Huntington accessioned a large collection of slides shot by a character named Palmer Conner; little is known about him save that he roamed postwar downtown and captured a whole lot of now-lost LA. They've begun scanning them and putting them online, as we found out recently. The Huntington uploaded twenty-nine and I've been checking regularly for the next grouping -- today they brought it up to fifty. Gems galore! Here are just a handful.

First off, here's something you don't see every day: the Martz Flats, in living color!

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3676/9...ed272697_o.gifhuntington

More about Martz in this great post here. And another image, just because we can:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5504/9...f636d4d3_o.gifhuntington


odinthor Aug 10, 2020 10:04 PM

I found this article from 1895, but referring back much further, to be of interest.

J.W. Potts is James Wesley Potts, alias "Little Potts" (evidently to distinguish him from his contemporary Andrew Wilson Potts), arriving in L.A. in September, 1852.

The top half of the first line is cut off in the original; but I think it's "Apropos of the adversity which is ex-".

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRXxxL2n/Old-Im...T-95-10-25.jpg
LA Times, October 25, 1895.

odinthor Aug 10, 2020 10:44 PM

:previous:

And, speaking of J.W. Potts, here's where he lived in 1895 (according to the 1895 CD), 816 Waterloo (he died in 1896):

https://i.postimg.cc/rscKT0tg/816-Waterloo.jpg
gsv

Seeing the height of those palm trees, I suspect they were there when Potts lived there.

Lwize Aug 11, 2020 2:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9006482)
FYI: I got the "ten miles" figure from Google which said it was 9.7 from Beverly Hills.

For fun, I used the distance feature within Google, and got 8 miles line of sight from the sign to the side road where the shot was taken.

With 1970's (and today's) smog, that extra two miles makes a difference in visibility! ;)

Scott Charles Aug 11, 2020 3:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snix (Post 9006510)
Hedda Hopper mentioned the Frank Sinatra party in her column.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...72eaebf7_b.jpg
Tucson Daily Citizen June 17, 1959, page 42

Wow, thank you for that, Snix!!!

:) :)

Mackerm Aug 11, 2020 4:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9006623)
I found this article from 1895, but referring back much further, to be of interest.

J.W. Potts is James Wesley Potts, alias "Little Potts" (evidently to distinguish him from his contemporary Andrew Wilson Potts), arriving in L.A. in September, 1852.

The top half of the first line is cut off in the original; but I think it's "Apropos of the adversity which is ex-".

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRXxxL2n/Old-Im...T-95-10-25.jpg
LA Times, October 25, 1895.

I think the cut-off first line is, "Apropos of the difficulty which is ex-"

odinthor Aug 11, 2020 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9006950)
I think the cut-off first line is, "Apropos of the difficulty which is ex-"

Yes, I'm sure you're right! Thanks! :cheers:

Martin Pal Aug 11, 2020 7:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 9006877)
For fun, I used the distance feature within Google, and got 8 miles line of sight from the sign to the side road where the shot was taken.
With 1970's (and today's) smog, that extra two miles makes a difference in visibility! ;)
_________________________________________________________________

Heh! :cheers:



Snix, thanks for finding this! Love it!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snix (Post 9006510)
Hedda Hopper mentioned the Frank Sinatra party in her column.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...72eaebf7_b.jpg
Tucson Daily Citizen June 17, 1959, page 42
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Hedda--showing off her familiarity calling Edward G. Robinson...Eddie Robinson, heh!

Florabell Muir? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1j...ndjGX_NuiQ=s85Calisphere (Hedda's column has an extra "l" in her name.)
Florabel Muir was an American reporter, newspaper columnist and author. She became known for covering both Hollywood celebrities and underworld gangsters from the 1920's through the 1960's.

This Hopper column seems to make it clear that in the Scott Charles invitation, when Sinatra mentions that "we're all going to flee to the Garden of Eden," he's talking about them all going to the preview of "A Hole in the Head" (wherever that was) when they left Puccini.

CityBoyDoug Aug 11, 2020 9:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9007580)
Heh! :cheers:



Snix, thanks for finding this! Love it!




Hedda--showing off her familiarity calling Edward G. Robinson...Eddie Robinson, heh!

Florabell Muir? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/1j...ndjGX_NuiQ=s85Calisphere (Hedda's column has an extra "l" in her name.)
Florabel Muir was an American reporter, newspaper columnist and author. She became known for covering both Hollywood celebrities and underworld gangsters from the 1920's through the 1960's.

This Hopper column seems to make it clear that in the Scott Charles invitation, when Sinatra mentions that "we're all going to flee to the Garden of Eden," he's talking about them all going to the preview of "A Hole in the Head" (wherever that was) when they left Puccini.

A Hole in the Head (1959) is a DeLuxe Color comedy film, in CinemaScope, directed by Frank Capra, featuring Frank Sinatra, Edward G. Robinson, Eleanor Parker, Keenan Wynn, Carolyn Jones, Thelma Ritter, Dub Taylor, Ruby Dandridge, Eddie Hodges, and Joi Lansing, and released by United Artists.


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