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odinthor Jul 7, 2020 7:20 PM

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That's absolutely splendid news, Snix! I appreciate your efforts!

ethereal_reality Jul 7, 2020 7:52 PM

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A mystery location.

I keep coming across this slide on eBay & each time I pause & wonder where this bus terminal was located.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/8dUvVX.jpg
eBay

"Los Angeles Bus Terminal Gray Line 1989 Original 35mm Slide".................................................





I've also been tring to figuring out the different stops on the tour.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/D08NM8.jpg
detail


I think I've figured out the Hollywood Tour:

HOLLYWOOD

PLAZA

KNICKERBOCKER

ROOSEVELT (HOTEL)




The Santa Monica Tour is much more difficult to figure out:

SANTA MONICA

umm. . .BAR (?)

err. . . ?

hmmm. . . . ?



I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the touristy dude in the striped shorts. (very 1980s) :)


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HossC Jul 7, 2020 8:38 PM

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That looks like the old Tanner Gray Line bus terminal at 3rd and Boylston. It's now the location of the Visconti, although the neighboring Huntley Apartments are still standing.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...rGrayLine1.jpg
USC Digital Library

BTW. I think the last location on the Santa Monica sign is "Holiday Inn".

Martin Pal Jul 7, 2020 9:25 PM

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And the middle location is "Greyhound".

Martin Pal Jul 7, 2020 9:43 PM

Beaudry, is the top part, which you refer to as being static neon below, maybe the windows and not neon writing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7138993)
Greetings y'all—

Have we ever seen a proper photo of the Tanner Gray Line at Third and Boylston? I seem to remember one but I've searched and searched to no avail. Specifically, I want to know what that neon says. It can be seen in the distance when Seymour and Leonora are at the benches in Little Shop of Horrors; it's seen again when Ben and Liz are at the benches in Angel's Flight: the top part of the neon is static, the bottom line of script blinks on and off. I'm thinking the first two words are "sightseeing" and "limousines" but who knows.

You know, this one:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/579/2...386f0fc7_o.pngfrom those 1955 blimp aerials at usc

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5781/...e9046d4a_o.pngyoutube


odinthor Jul 8, 2020 12:02 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/mDdXNmKZ/Bus.jpg
enhanced detail from e_r's bus terminal photo

I'm thinking the small word on each sign beneath "Santa Monica" and "Hollywood" is "HOTELS."

Proceeding on this theory:

In each list of stops, the last stop is indeed a hotel in the city mentioned at the top of the sign: The Holiday Inn in Santa Monica, and the Roosevelt in Hollywood.

On the Hollywood sign, PLAZA perhaps refers to the Century Plaza Hotel. If that's the case, the lengthy name second on the list would be a hotel located on some reasonable route between the Century Plaza Hotel and the Roosevelt Hotel.

On the Santa Monica sign . . . well, all I can do is to shrug; but the hotels listed would be high-occupancy reputable hotels on the route to Santa Monica.

--That is, if my HOTELS theory is correct . . .

:shrug:

Noir_Noir Jul 8, 2020 1:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8973913)
Beaudry, is the top part, which you refer to as being static neon below, maybe the windows and not neon writing?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 7138993)
Greetings y'all—

Have we ever seen a proper photo of the Tanner Gray Line at Third and Boylston? I seem to remember one but I've searched and searched to no avail. Specifically, I want to know what that neon says. It can be seen in the distance when Seymour and Leonora are at the benches in Little Shop of Horrors; it's seen again when Ben and Liz are at the benches in Angel's Flight: the top part of the neon is static, the bottom line of script blinks on and off. I'm thinking the first two words are "sightseeing" and "limousines" but who knows.

You know, this one:

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/579/2...386f0fc7_o.pngfrom those 1955 blimp aerials at usc



I don't know if Beaudry had his question answered as to what the blinking neon said on the Tanner Gray Line Depot. :shrug:

I imagine this picture has likely been posted somewhere on the thread but I can't locate it. Anyway it shows the line-up of the neon below the windows.


https://i.imgur.com/yWWaJQT.jpg
dl.library.ucla.edu

ethereal_reality Jul 8, 2020 3:27 AM

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I appreciate all the follow ups to the bus depot mystery location. (3rd & Boylston per HossC)


While searching for additional bus related photographs I happened upon this amazing bus roll.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/NiB8td.jpg
worthpoint

This would be perfect to hang in a loft. (of course if you have a bus. . .it would be perfect for the bus) ........Oh, bother. I'm screwy. :koko:


Here's the info:

"Original Vintage Los Angeles/Hollywood 1950's front roll transit bus scroll sign. This sign is a silk/screened cotton fiber/paper fabric original, found in my father's saved LA memorabilia. It is huge 12 1/2 feet X 4 1/4 feet. Yes feet not inches!!!As you can see the condition is fair-good. as the sewn on bottom section can be removed as it appears to be an add on, and the paint is flaking. It has a few slits in the main section, but cannot see when it is hanging, condition not bad for being rolled for 60 years."


I want it.

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ProphetM Jul 8, 2020 5:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snix (Post 8973687)
I made an inquiry with (ghost) Councilman Huizar's office to see if the brick building would be included in the new project. Here is the reply from city planning:

"...The project located at 1334-1356 South Flower Street was approved under City Planning Case No. DIR-2017-4-TDR-SPR in December 2018. The approved plans associated with the case contain the brick facade. As far as we are aware, there has been no change requests or a new filing for this property. The proposal depicted and described on the UrbanizedLA website is a different use and design so that would necessitate a new filing as the change would not be in substantial conformance."

If any of you see construction there, let me know and I will follow up with the council office.

This might just be an error in rendering.

First version:
https://i.imgur.com/8Up2Ctv.jpg
urbanize.la

Now look at the bottom right area in the new picture:

https://i.imgur.com/bHxKKVu.jpg
urbanize.la

The new render still has a setback at the right side of the building. The bottom right area has a nondescript dark and light grey area with no detail whatsoever. It looks like they just forgot to stick the image of the old facade onto the new render.

transitfan Jul 8, 2020 1:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8974224)
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I appreciate all the follow ups to the bus depot mystery location. (3rd & Boylston per HossC)


While searching for additional bus related photographs I happened upon this amazing bus roll.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/NiB8td.jpg
worthpoint

This would be perfect to hang in a loft. (of course if you have a bus. . .it would be perfect for the bus) ........Oh, bother. I'm screwy. :koko:


Here's the info:

"Original Vintage Los Angeles/Hollywood 1950's front roll transit bus scroll sign. This sign is a silk/screened cotton fiber/paper fabric original, found in my father's saved LA memorabilia. It is huge 12 1/2 feet X 4 1/4 feet. Yes feet not inches!!!As you can see the condition is fair-good. as the sewn on bottom section can be removed as it appears to be an add on, and the paint is flaking. It has a few slits in the main section, but cannot see when it is hanging, condition not bad for being rolled for 60 years."


I want it.

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That might actually be a roll sign from a Pacific Electric car, specifically the "Hollywood" Car. All of those destinations appears to be ones served by PE cars at one point in time. Compare with this image of 717, which is perserved at the Southern California Railway Museum, but still has the original signs

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c0/7d...3de34517c8.jpg

nadeau Jul 8, 2020 2:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8974062)
https://i.postimg.cc/mDdXNmKZ/Bus.jpg
enhanced detail from e_r's bus terminal photo

I'm thinking the small word on each sign beneath "Santa Monica" and "Hollywood" is "HOTELS."

Proceeding on this theory:

In each list of stops, the last stop is indeed a hotel in the city mentioned at the top of the sign: The Holiday Inn in Santa Monica, and the Roosevelt in Hollywood.

On the Hollywood sign, PLAZA perhaps refers to the Century Plaza Hotel. If that's the case, the lengthy name second on the list would be a hotel located on some reasonable route between the Century Plaza Hotel and the Roosevelt Hotel.

On the Santa Monica sign . . . well, all I can do is to shrug; but the hotels listed would be high-occupancy reputable hotels on the route to Santa Monica.

--That is, if my HOTELS theory is correct . . .

:shrug:

I’m guessing the longish name is Knickerbocker.

odinthor Jul 8, 2020 4:30 PM

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I hadn't realized that there was a Knickerbocker Hotel, and so was hesitant to take up that suggestion; [does some research] but blow me down!, there indeed was, at 1714 Ivar in Hollywood. In 1972, it was "remodeled for occupancy by senior citizens of low to moderate income," quoth the LA Times of February 6, 1972.

Scott Charles Jul 8, 2020 5:07 PM

:previous:

Back in the '90s, there was a cool and quirky coffeehouse in the lobby of the Knickerbocker. It looked more like a living room than anything like a Starbucks, and you could actually buy pieces of the decor if you liked them - there were tons of interesting knickknacks, like vintage style ashtrays, costume jewelry, and other assorted items.

I used to hang out there with my friends. Sadly, the lobby coffeehouse disappeared sometime since the '90s...

HossC Jul 8, 2020 6:28 PM

:previous:

We've seen the Knickerbocker in Hollywood several times over the years, and I'm sure that's where the Gray Line bus was going. Many years earlier, however, there was a Hotel Knickerbocker at 551 S Fremont Avenue. It's seen here circa 1929. The site is now almost dead center under the Harbor Freeway.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...kerbocker1.jpg
USC Digital Library

ethereal_reality Jul 8, 2020 7:08 PM

:previous:

I had forgotten all about the Knickerbocker on Freemont. Thanks for the reminder, Hoss.

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nadeau Jul 8, 2020 8:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8974666)
:previous:

Back in the '90s, there was a cool and quirky coffeehouse in the lobby of the Knickerbocker. It looked more like a living room than anything like a Starbucks, and you could actually buy pieces of the decor if you liked them - there were tons of interesting knickknacks, like vintage style ashtrays, costume jewelry, and other assorted items.

I used to hang out there with my friends. Sadly, the lobby coffeehouse disappeared sometime since the '90s...

Last I checked there is currently a swanky bar in the lobby, or lobby adjacent. It’s named Knickerbocker. Heavy drapery, dim lighting, cozy atmosphere.

Martin Pal Jul 8, 2020 10:38 PM

:previous:

The Knickerbocker Hotel is where Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio often met in the hotel bar. Elvis Presley stayed at the hotel (Room 1016) while making his first film, Love Me Tender (1956) and a famous photoshoot of him was done there. For thirty years, it was the residence of actor William Frawley. Laurel and Hardy stayed in room 205, where they were surprised by the crew for an episode of This is Your Life, and Graham Nash lived there in 1968.

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8974062)
https://i.postimg.cc/mDdXNmKZ/Bus.jpg
enhanced detail from e_r's bus terminal photo
________________________________________________________________________________


Could the Plaza sign on E_R's Gray Line photo (1989) refer to the Hollywood Plaza Hotel? It was turned into a retirement home sometime in the 70's, according to wikipedia, but so was the Knickerbocker, according to Odinthor's post:


Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8974619)
I hadn't realized that there was a Knickerbocker Hotel, and so was hesitant to take up that suggestion; [does some research] but blow me down!, there indeed was, at 1714 Ivar in Hollywood. In 1972, it was "remodeled for occupancy by senior citizens of low to moderate income," quoth the LA Times of February 6, 1972.
________________________________________________________________________________


Scott Charles Jul 9, 2020 3:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nadeau (Post 8974964)
Last I checked there is currently a swanky bar in the lobby, or lobby adjacent. It’s named Knickerbocker. Heavy drapery, dim lighting, cozy atmosphere.

Do you have any links about the current bar, Nadeau? I just did a Google search and was unable to find anything at all, regardless of which search terms I tried.

I can't recall exactly when I revisited the Knickerbocker (maybe around 2005 or so?), but when I walked in there was no bar (or anything even remotely similar) to be found.

A young watchman/security guard came over and asked me if I needed anything; when I asked him what became of the bar that used to be in the lobby he had no idea what I was talking about. He told me he'd never before heard of any bar being in the lobby of the Knickerbocker.

Here is a photo of the lobby bar, courtesy of the California State Library. The date given is “192-?”, which I suspect is inaccurate - the figure on the right of the mural seems(?) to be using a television camera:

https://i.imgur.com/W9MLeDF.jpg

riichkay Jul 9, 2020 6:17 AM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
shorpy.com


From the original Shorpy post....

"I found this photo, which is dated 1939, in an antique store in Simi Valley, California. It is glued to an album page labeled "House of Chords and Dischords." The picture of that house, which is labeled 1961 N Argyle, is missing. But under these two gentlemen it says "2 inmates."


I had the same problem that the Shorpy poster did, in that she could not see the "1961" over the doorway, it's something of an optical illusion....sometimes I can see it and sometimes not....but it's definitely there, white numerals against a black background on 4 individual tiles tacked together....you need to let your eyes unfocus, like in those hidden image pictures that were all the rage about 30 years ago.

1961 N. Argyle Ave. showed as a 3 unit apartment court in 1939....the structure pictured here was demolished in 1954 to make way for a 24 unit building, which still stands.

The reference to "chords" got me to wondering, were these fellows aspiring songwriters?....players in a studio orchestra, or in one of the big swing bands?....

So it was off to my old friend, the 1940 census, Enumeration District 60-116....a few years back (pgs. 1913 and 1927) I went through this and adjacent census tracts, finding (among others) James M. Cain, Nathanael West, Dorothy Comingore, and (at 2307 N. Cahuenga) the 23 year-old Sidney Sheldon, when he was reading scripts at Universal and earning $44 a week.

The obvious assumption that I am making here is that the tenants in the '39 photo were still in the unit when the enumerator came calling in the spring of 1940...anyway, here's what turned up (for the purposes of the '40 census I believe the term "partner" would equate to today's "roommate").....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

So we have...

Eric Johnson....age 33, divorced, from Oklahoma
Arthur Cox....age 32, "m" for married (but there's a line through it, so maybe divorced or separated), he was from Michigan
Victor Johnson....age 37, single, like Eric he was an Okie
Winfield Prentis (I believe he was misidentified, see below)....age 29, single, from New Mexico


The other side of the census ledger has the occupation/income information....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

Eric Johnson....theatre manager, he made $1100/yr.
Arthur Cox....self-employed musician (ah, there's our "chords")....zero earnings.
Victor Johnson....electrical engineer, working in "???" products....he was pulling down $1700/yr.
Winfield Prentis, no info other than $300 in earnings


Armed with the tenant names, I checked the '39 and '40 city directories....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

In the '39 book Eric Johnson shows up with no further details.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

In '39 we add a middle initial for Victor Johnson, here he shows as a geoligist.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...370&fit=bounds

The 1940 directory gives us a middle initial for Eric.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

The '40 book has Victor listed as an engineer, consistent with the census.



https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

The "Winfield Prentis" of the census is shown as Wynn Prentice in the '40 directory....and we find that he is also a musician, so more "chords".


Arthur Cox was not found in either directory.

So who's in the snapshot?....the Johnsons, the two musicians?....or some combination thereof?

odinthor Jul 9, 2020 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 8975482)
[...]

The other side of the census ledger has the occupation/income information....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

[...]

Victor Johnson....electrical engineer, working in "???" products....he was pulling down $1700/yr.

[...]

Illumination products, I think.

nadeau Jul 9, 2020 2:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8975392)
Do you have any links about the current bar, Nadeau? I just did a Google search and was unable to find anything at all, regardless of which search terms I tried.

I can't recall exactly when I revisited the Knickerbocker (maybe around 2005 or so?), but when I walked in there was no bar (or anything even remotely similar) to be found.

A young watchman/security guard came over and asked me if I needed anything; when I asked him what became of the bar that used to be in the lobby he had no idea what I was talking about. He told me he'd never before heard of any bar being in the lobby of the Knickerbocker.

Here is a photo of the lobby bar, courtesy of the California State Library. The date given is “192-?”, which I suspect is inaccurate - the figure on the right of the mural seems(?) to be using a television camera:

https://i.imgur.com/W9MLeDF.jpg

It looks like whatever bar it was, is now closed. There is this article about a cafe/bar that was in that space in the 90s, but I was there in the 20teens for sure. The color photo in the article looks like the same space, so maybe they have the dates wrong. https://www.seeing-stars.com/Landmar...kerHotel.shtml

Noir_Noir Jul 9, 2020 4:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 8975482)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
shorpy.com



So we have...Eric Johnson....age 33, divorced, from Oklahoma
Arthur Cox....age 32, "m" for married (but there's a line through it, so maybe divorced or separated), he was from Michigan
Victor Johnson....age 37, single, like Eric he was an Okie
Winfield Prentis (I believe he was misidentified, see below)....age 29, single, from New Mexico



So who's in the snapshot?....the Johnsons, the two musicians?....or some combination thereof?



I'd say it's the Johnson brothers in the picture.

There's a strong resemblance - eyes, noses, forehead and face shapes.


https://i.imgur.com/ffy8AfR.jpg

Noir_Noir Jul 9, 2020 4:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8974666)
:previous:

Back in the '90s, there was a cool and quirky coffeehouse in the lobby of the Knickerbocker. It looked more like a living room than anything like a Starbucks, and you could actually buy pieces of the decor if you liked them - there were tons of interesting knickknacks, like vintage style ashtrays, costume jewelry, and other assorted items.

I used to hang out there with my friends. Sadly, the lobby coffeehouse disappeared sometime since the '90s...



Here's a 1995 write-up on The All-Star Theatre Café & Speakeasy in the lobby of the Knickerbocker.



https://i.imgur.com/4E1mSp0.jpg
allstartheatrecafe.com

Earl Boebert Jul 9, 2020 6:15 PM

The Knickerbocker Mural
 
I fiddled with the picture a bit to bring it up:

http://www.boebertandblossom.com/LANoir/Mural.png

and I'm pretty sure that the figure on the right is operating a TV camera. There were boxy movie cameras in the 20's but I'm not aware of any that had a lens turret. Also, the proportions of the (probable) thermostat on the post in the main picture fits that of a Honeywell T42, which was made between 1939 and 1953. Given that, and the mid-century style of the mural, I would date picture to 1950 plus or minus a couple.

Cheers,

Earl

ethereal_reality Jul 9, 2020 7:16 PM

.

..................Mitzi, Let's Go!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/6852/UublCd.gif



City bus in front of Pickwick Books on Hollywood Blvd. [1969].................Very cool red VW!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/IYNnQH.jpg
recently found on eBay



I'm curious about the storefront you see behind the bus. At first I thought it might be a Christian Science Reading Room.




Here's a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/Mn8B9V.jpg


Thelan's _ _ _ _ _ Center. ...My first guess was Career Center. . . but it doesn't quite fit.



There also appears to be numbers that light up along with the rest of the sign.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/xTEIJG.jpg
detail

_87(?)

Union Local? ..........Street Address? :shrug:







And there are two separate signs mostly hidden by the bus.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/aiElHu.jpg

.........................................Narco?..................Marco?






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HossC Jul 9, 2020 8:02 PM

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From the 1969 CD:

Hollywood Boulevard

6731 THELANS CAMERA CNTR 464-9443
6733 NORCO STAMP-COIN CO 467-4804
6735 REINGOLD L M 467-3051
6737 DE KEYSER MUSIC 465-5035
6739 PARTRIDGE BOOKSTORE 466-1477
6743 PICKWICK BOOKSHOP 469-8191
6743 PICKWICK BOOKSHOP 275-8191

KevinW Jul 9, 2020 8:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8973749)
.

A mystery location.

I keep coming across this slide on eBay & each time I pause & wonder where this bus terminal was located.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/8dUvVX.jpg
eBay

"Los Angeles Bus Terminal Gray Line 1989 Original 35mm Slide".................................................





I've also been tring to figuring out the different stops on the tour.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/D08NM8.jpg
detail


I think I've figured out the Hollywood Tour:

HOLLYWOOD

PLAZA

KNICKERBOCKER

ROOSEVELT (HOTEL)




The Santa Monica Tour is much more difficult to figure out:

SANTA MONICA

umm. . .BAR (?)

err. . . ?

hmmm. . . . ?



I'd be remiss if I didn't point out the touristy dude in the striped shorts. (very 1980s) :)


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Santa Monica
Hotels
Mira Mar
Greyhound
Holiday Inn

HossC Jul 9, 2020 9:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8976054)

There also appears to be numbers that light up along with the rest of the sign.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/xTEIJG.jpg
detail

_87(?)

Here's an earlier view of (Ray) Thelan's Camera Center from almost eight years ago on NLA. The full post showing more of the block is here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5874370)


Martin Pal Jul 9, 2020 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8975392)
Do you have any links about the current bar, Nadeau? I just did a Google search and was unable to find anything at all, regardless of which search terms I tried.

I can't recall exactly when I revisited the Knickerbocker (maybe around 2005 or so?), but when I walked in there was no bar (or anything even remotely similar) to be found.
[...]
__________________________________________________________________


Last night I was watching a youtube video where a couple gentlemen, with video camera in hand, who are Elvis enthusiasts, came to visit the Knickerbocker to look at where some of the Elvis photoshoot took place when he stayed there in 1956. They go into the lobby and some guy that works there ushers them out again, but...he happens to be an Elvis fan, too, and did that for show, inviting them to come back and he gives a tour, of sorts, to them.

In the videos they look for locations of where the Elvis pictures were taken, including up on the roof, and where he stayed. (They show the historic photos and try to match them.) They also talk about other things, some I mentioned here:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8975116)
The Knickerbocker Hotel is where Marilyn Monroe and Joe DiMaggio often met in the hotel bar. Elvis Presley stayed at the hotel (Room 1016) while making his first film, Love Me Tender (1956) and a famous photoshoot of him was done there. For thirty years, it was the residence of actor William Frawley. Laurel and Hardy stayed in room 205, where they were surprised by the crew for an episode of This is Your Life, and Graham Nash lived there in 1968.
_________________________________________________________________


The guy who works there also lives there and takes him into his room at one point. Lots of interesting stuff. There's panoramas from the present day roof top, both day and night and I think a little drone footage, too.

All of the videos were posted in Dec. of 2019, which I was assuming when they were shot, but it just occurred to me that the Capitol Records building did not have their Christmas tree up on their rooftop, so it had to have been before December sometime.

It's in 3 parts, about 45 minute total:

Elvis Presley Knickerbocker Hotel 1956 Love Me Tender Hollywood The Spa Guy Part #1 of 3 (14:56)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf9DqP9XxBo

Elvis Presley Knickerbocker Hotel 1956 Love Me Tender Hollywood The Spa Guy Part #2 of 3 (16:18)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU8kw8ED7i4

Elvis Presley Knickerbocker Hotel 1956 Love Me Tender Hollywood The Spa Guy Part #3 of 3 (13:45)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrgBhAkvY5o

And a follow up that corrects a couple informative things:
Elvis Presley Why Kicked out of Knickerbocker Hotel Hollywood The Spa Guy
(13:00)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxRJcV3QCUU

Scott Charles Jul 10, 2020 4:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nadeau (Post 8975652)
It looks like whatever bar it was, is now closed. There is this article about a cafe/bar that was in that space in the 90s, but I was there in the 20teens for sure. The color photo in the article looks like the same space, so maybe they have the dates wrong. https://www.seeing-stars.com/Landmar...kerHotel.shtml

That photograph is exactly how I remember it! The text matches my memories, too.

https://i.imgur.com/CRXfjZOl.jpg

Quote:

...the bar area was boarded up and left unused for almost 25 years, before it was re-opened in the 90's as a posh, nostalgic coffee shop called "The All-Star Theatre Café & Speakeasy." Unfortunately, the Café lost its lease recently and planned to move to the nearby Vogue Theatre (which also has a reputation for being haunted).

The café did its best to bring back the Art Deco glamour of the Roaring 20's - the chandeliers originally belonged to Liberace, and you still found a Ouija board on one of the coffee shop's tables, in honor of Mr. Houdini. You could play pool, backgammon or chess, relax on overstuffed sofas... they even sold vintage evening gowns and jewelry on the side.
If you were there in the 20teens, nadeau, I must be mistaken about the date when I returned to the place (with the “All-Star” no longer there). The closest I can guess about the date of my re-visit would be “some time between 2005 and 2015”. I honestly can't remember the date more precisely than that. :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8975843)
Here's a 1995 write-up on The All-Star Theatre Café & Speakeasy in the lobby of the Knickerbocker.

allstartheatrecafe.com

Thanks for that link, Noir_Noir!

nadeau Jul 10, 2020 7:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8976598)
That photograph is exactly how I remember it! The text matches my memories, too.

https://i.imgur.com/CRXfjZOl.jpg


If you were there in the 20teens, nadeau, I must be mistaken about the date when I returned to the place (with the “All-Star” no longer there). The closest I can guess about the date of my re-visit would be “some time between 2005 and 2015”. I honestly can't remember the date more precisely than that. :(


Thanks for that link, Noir_Noir!

It looks, Scott Charles, like our memory of a place (post All-Star) is coming more into focus. For me, I t could have been any time between 2009 and 2015. I stumbled across it just before seeing something at Pantages. Maybe it was a pop-up thing, or a short term venture. Hollywood Blvd was experiencing a peak in nightlife at the time. Whatever it was, it was pretty swank, and I recall some sort of very large curtain that I assumed was hiding a door to the lobby area.

ethereal_reality Jul 10, 2020 2:59 PM

Thanks for figuring out the mystery signs, Hoss...(Thelan's Career Center & Norco Stamp-Coin)...I appreciate it. :)


Here's a mystery street corner in Los Angeles showing a newsboy in the 1940s. ... Link


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/2qQHoU.jpg
eBay


I know it's the 1940s because the Examiner is offering "Miss Liberty" Dolls. ....I'm always surprised by the amount of litter in these old photographs.





but I'm not 100% sure what the boy's sign says. At first I thought it said "Buy a Paper Get One Free"

but it's worded a bit differently.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/YmNVqg.jpg


hmmm :hmmm:. . . is it "Buy a Paper, Information Free"?

also what is this sign attached too? It looks like an old highway marker.

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ethereal_reality Jul 10, 2020 3:38 PM

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Here is an exceptional photograph of the historically famous Lugo House [1894] currently listed on eBay


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/KqbofM.jpg
Link





The information is also written on the back of the photograph.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/JoAAsG.jpg




Perhaps one of you transit fans can tell me what the two men are doing to the rails.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/igHzYJ.jpg

If I had to guess I'd say they're prying them up. (but that doesn't make much sense)



For search purposes:....Chinatown, Los Angeles 1894
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CityBoyDoug Jul 10, 2020 6:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8976928)
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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/igHzYJ.jpg

If I had to guess I'd say they're prying them up. (but that doesn't make much sense)



For search purposes:....Chinatown, Los Angeles 1894
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Over the years the rails get slightly out of alignment and the trolleys run wacky. The rails need to be realigned....often less than half an inch.

Scott Charles Jul 10, 2020 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8976844)
Here's a mystery street corner in Los Angeles showing a newsboy in the 1940s. ... Link


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/2qQHoU.jpg
eBay


I know it's the 1940s because the Examiner is offering "Miss Liberty" Dolls. ....

Agfa Film (as seen on the awning) was a Belgian-German company. In 1941 their American assets were seized as enemy property, and the American part of the company was rechristened as Ansco. In 1945 when the Allies broke up IG Farben, Agfa reappeared as an individual business.

So I suppose that would rule out the years 1941 through 1945 for the photograph?

Hollywood Graham Jul 10, 2020 8:47 PM

The Examiner sign says free doll maybe that is what the hand written sign refers to. The sign may be attached to a mail box post (one of those small ones). I have seen a few of those still around years ago. I believe cut rate drugs was Thrifty Drug Stores come on. I sold papers on corners (Herald Express) and in the street in the late fifties and this photo predates my time selling papers. If you look carefully you can see the mailbox on the other side of the post..

GaylordWilshire Jul 11, 2020 2:56 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/rm5tLQvb/lahs1-bmp.jpg
LAPL


From the 1899 Blue and White-- LAHS's yearbook

Martin Pal Jul 11, 2020 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8977151)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/2qQHoU.jpg

Agfa Film (as seen on the awning) was a Belgian-German company. In 1941 their American assets were seized as enemy property, and the American part of the company was rechristened as Ansco. In 1945 when the Allies broke up IG Farben, Agfa reappeared as an individual business.

So I suppose that would rule out the years 1941 through 1945 for the photograph?
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I wouldn't necessarily rule that out. There could be any number of reasons why it would still say Agfa Film on the awning in any of those years, IMO.

Stream of consciousness...It's an intriguing photo because there's so little in the way of clues. All the readable store signs are pretty generic, Discount Drugs, Cutrate, Sells for Less. There are no other people in the photograph on the street. The bicycle on the left has a lot of things hanging from it. The boy seems more contemporary than usually seen in a 40's photograph, maybe it's that hat. Or the collared polo-type shirt? The car one can see in the reflection in the store windows looks modern to my eyes, but it's a reflection. At the end of the street, is that a truck in the road? Is that white line in the picture a crease in it? What's on the crate by the boy's feet? At the end of the walk it looks like a pole in the middle of the sidewalk? I'm assuming the Miss Liberty Dolls advertised are paper dolls? Why is someone from Cambridge Springs, PA, selling this photograph and where did it come from? :shrug:

odinthor Jul 11, 2020 9:24 PM

Fire destroys roof and interior of San Gabriel Mission church:

https://www.sgvtribune.com/2020/07/1...n-san-gabriel/

Fortunately, it stopped short of the altar; and, due to a renovation effort going on (which was probably the cause of the fire), most or all of the historic items had been removed to another location.

Scott Charles Jul 11, 2020 10:21 PM

Calle de La Caridad (Charity Street)?
 
It was always my understanding that the street formerly known as Charity Street was our modern-day Grand Avenue.

However, the linked book gives that legacy to two different streets - Grand and Spring:

https://i.imgur.com/bojczhG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4ZHbqgs.jpg

Is the second paragraph simply in error? My understanding is that Spring Street used to be called Beware (or Lookout) Street....

odinthor Jul 11, 2020 10:57 PM

:previous:

That book is simply (and no doubt inadvertantly) wrong, I'm sure. Here's the beginning of my own notes on Spring St., gathered from various sources over the years. It was probably only playfully called "Danger St." due to what's detailed in the latter part of this:

"Spring Street, the sometime “Calle Primavera” said to have been named by surveyor Ord for his beloved Maria de la Trinidad Serafina Ortega (married name de la Guerra), whom he referred to as his “Springtime” (“Primavera”); before realignment in the 1920s, it followed a diagonal running between close to its 1st St. corner and the intersection of Temple St./Main St., which was the path of the original Native American trail skirting the hills; 1846, the residence of Narciso Botello was on this street; January 2, 1858, published (Los Angeles Star): “Owing to inattention to the state of the sewerage, a row of houses on Spring street were inundated by the flood, causing considerable annoyance but no serious damage”; January 16, 1858, published (Los Angeles Star): “On Wednesday we were visited by a very heavy rain, which lasted for several hours. It fell in torrents, causing a flood in our streets, and almost inundating a row of buildings on the west side of Spring street, creating no little consternation among the inhabitants. This is a most unfortunate block of buildings, as the water from the adjacent hills flows down on them, and keeps the inmates on the look-out during each heavy rain."

Edit add: It might be worth adding that it wasn’t until the 1840s that the city began to look into the interesting question of giving the streets names--not naming streets was not unusual in California; Davis mentions that neither did San Francisco’s streets have any names in the mid-1840s (William Heath Davis, Seventy-Five Years in California, p. 115).

ethereal_reality Jul 12, 2020 3:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8978111)
Stream of consciousness...It's an intriguing photo because there's so little in the way of clues. All the readable store signs are pretty generic, Discount Drugs, Cutrate, Sells for Less. There are no other people in the photograph on the street. The bicycle on the left has a lot of things hanging from it. The boy seems more contemporary than usually seen in a 40's photograph, maybe it's that hat. Or the collared polo-type shirt? The car one can see in the reflection in the store windows looks modern to my eyes, but it's a reflection. At the end of the street, is that a truck in the road? Is that white line in the picture a crease in it? What's on the crate by the boy's feet? At the end of the walk it looks like a pole in the middle of the sidewalk? I'm assuming the Miss Liberty Dolls advertised are paper dolls? Why is someone from Cambridge Springs, PA, selling this photograph and where did it come from?

Interesting to hear your different ideas and questions, Martin_Pal


Here is a newstand photograph, with a glimpse of a newsboy, that we may (or may not) have seen on NLA.....The photograph was taken by Ida Wyman in 1950.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/AQ8kgC.jpg
Monroe Gallery of Photography

.......................................................................................................:previous: Does anyone have that issue of Life Magazine?



:hmmm:. . .did most newstands in L. A. have a liquor license back then?...(I see bottles)

The pages tacked up at the left are. . .(I used to know). . .racing forms? ...(but weren't they illegal?)
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ethereal_reality Jul 12, 2020 3:59 AM

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Here is another Ida Wyman photograph.....I find this one especially interesting.

"A man selects a song on the jukebox at the Vera Cruz Cafe in Los Angeles, 1950."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/X7KRR6.jpg
Monroe Gallery of Photography



So was the Vera Cruz Cafe in the Vera Cruz Hotel?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/YYZixO.jpg
1942 Directory / LAPL








Just for fun. Here's a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/qf4ZJB.jpg
Ida Wyman, 1950

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Lorendoc Jul 12, 2020 6:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8978454)
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Here is another Ida Wyman photograph.....I find this one especially interesting.

"A man selects a song on the jukebox at the Vera Cruz Cafe in Los Angeles, 1950."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/X7KRR6.jpg
Monroe Gallery of Photography





So was the Vera Cruz Cafe in the Vera Cruz Hotel?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/YYZixO.jpg
1942 Directory / LAPL

416 N. Main is the address of the Masonic Lodge Building next to the Pico House. Michael Ryerson made a post about the Vera Cruz Cafe 7 years ago, but the link is gone :[
Someone posted his image on Pinterest, though, so here it is:

https://i.imgur.com/YkAKiJG.jpg


But, wait, there's more:
https://i.imgur.com/K0kjkyM.jpg
News-Pilot 6/29/57 via newspapers.com

Since this was a San Pedro newspaper, the address of the cafe in the ad would be there, not DtLA :???:

Here's a Sanborn:
https://i.imgur.com/5u4AFwh.jpg
lapl.org

A block from the waterfront, a rough neighborhood dive one would imagine...

HossC Jul 12, 2020 7:36 AM

:previous:

This undated photo shows the Vera Cruz Cafe on N Spring. The "El Nuevo Ver[a Cruz] Cafe" window text seems to match the image above.

"View of Macy and Spring Streets. The Vera Cruz Cafe and a Chop Suey restaurant are at right across Spring Street. In the background is the Terminal Annex Post Office.".

https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...XT=&DMROTATE=0https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...XT=&DMROTATE=0
https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...XT=&DMROTATE=0https://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhel...XT=&DMROTATE=0
LAPL

(Sorry, I had to hotlink the image because Photobucket won't display my upload!)

Noir_Noir Jul 12, 2020 9:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8978421)


Here is a newstand photograph, with a glimpse of a newsboy, that we may (or may not) have seen on NLA.....The photograph was taken by Ida Wyman in 1950.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/AQ8kgC.jpg
Monroe Gallery of Photography

.......................................................................................................:previous: Does anyone have that issue of Life Magazine?


The picture must have been taken in 1949 and not 1950 as labeled.


This is the edition of Life (July 11th 1949) that card was promoting.


https://i.imgur.com/BpApk52.jpg
Google Books - Life, 11 July 1949


It has an eight page spread "City Against Auto" on Los Angeles' traffic problems - starts on page 78.



The edition of The Ring magazine on the stand is also from July 1949.


https://i.imgur.com/zgKWfIK.jpg
boxrec.com

Earl Boebert Jul 12, 2020 1:41 PM

The Alger Hiss trial ended with a hung jury on July 7, 1949.

Cheers,

Earl

Martin Pal Jul 12, 2020 6:49 PM

A lot of the magazine names in that photo seem awfully generic, but I guess you knew what you were getting! I'm getting an "Eyeful".

I had to look up what that magazine was: EYEFUL. Here's the edition on the news stand in that photograph:

It's the August 1949, "Women Are Wacky" edition. (It was published every other month.)

https://live.staticflickr.com/2553/4...cc2dd4c3_b.jpgKokoJim

If I collected a huge stack of them I'd have an Eyeful Tower :runaway:.
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If one is curious about what's in an edition of EYEFUL Magazine, this link HERE will take you through the April 1949 edition page by page. My favorite was Bubble Gum Baby in which "we have a model entertaining herself with the 'latest fad' – chewing gum. And she blows a bubble so big, that when it pops, it blows all her clothes off. Yep. That happens."

Right before the back cover there is an ad that has a height/weight chart for men and women, your height and what you should weigh. (Each height should exactly weigh the same thing?) I'm guessing it might be different today than the one in 1949? There's also a reader comment section and photos submitted by readers, too.

HossC Jul 12, 2020 7:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8978216)

It was always my understanding that the street formerly known as Charity Street was our modern-day Grand Avenue.

However, the linked book gives that legacy to two different streets - Grand and Spring:

https://i.imgur.com/bojczhG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4ZHbqgs.jpg

Is the second paragraph simply in error? My understanding is that Spring Street used to be called Beware (or Lookout) Street....

USC has two Ord maps dated August 29, 1849. The first has the streets labeled in English, with Charity Street between Hope and Olive. The second is labeled in English and Spanish, so it has Charity Street between Hope and Olive and Calle de Caridad between Calle de las Esperanza and Calle Acey Zuna [sic]. I can't post new images at the moment, but you can check them out at the links.

Slauson Slim Jul 12, 2020 10:05 PM

The news stand photo: horse racing tip sheets and magazines, boxing mags, cigars and whiskey. All the necessities. Likely one could have placed a wager there as well.


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