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ethereal_reality Feb 16, 2013 4:16 AM

Found on ebay today.


Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show parade, April 1914. ---> pan right

http://imageshack.us/a/img502/9900/s...april1914e.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Los-Angeles-...item460cbd5ad7

The crenellated building at far right resembles the Los Angeles Times Building..but I think it's a different building.

Great billboards by the way.
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Flyingwedge Feb 16, 2013 4:32 AM

Dragon Bamboo Slide, Venice Pier
 
The end, January 1948:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps10a18d8c.jpg
USC Digital Library (http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/90940/rec/1)

A couple shots of the 122-foot-high ride from January and April 1946, the year the entire pier was condemned:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psb91b8a2a.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057221.jpg)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps65d1aa87.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057225.jpg)

From the right angle, as in this 1928 shot, it looked like a rocket and gantry:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psbd44b046.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057233.jpg)

ethereal_reality Feb 16, 2013 4:55 AM

:previous: Whoa..that first photograph is surreal Flyingwedge.
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"Looking east from High School 1867. First Episcopal Church."
http://imageshack.us/a/img838/4054/aabeast1867ebay.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1867-LOS-ANG...item53f510eb09

This is the first time I've seen the First Episcopal Church from this angle (the back). I am pretty sure there is a photograph of the front
of the church earlier in the thread. (I'm still searching)
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ethereal_reality Feb 16, 2013 5:19 AM

Another amazing ebay find...Fort Street 1870s.

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/8537/a...t1870sebay.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1870s-80s-FO...item53f510ec1f

Broadway at First Street?
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Flyingwedge Feb 16, 2013 9:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6017235)
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"Looking east from High School 1867. First Episcopal Church."
http://imageshack.us/a/img838/4054/aabeast1867ebay.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1867-LOS-ANG...item53f510eb09

This is the first time I've seen the First Episcopal Church from this angle (the back). I am pretty sure there is a photograph of the front
of the church earlier in the thread. (I'm still searching)
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It looks like St. Athanasius Episcopal Church. It was the first Protestant church built in LA and was located at the SW corner of Temple and New High.

This must be looking west on Temple (undated by LAPL; USC says 1874):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6f8af2f4.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics13/00026354.jpg)

According to LAPL's caption, this picture dates to 187_ and that's Rev. & Mrs. Messenger standing in the doorway, but see below:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9eb0e662.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/00076/00076311.jpg)

USC (http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/8816/rec/10) dates the bottom pic at 1864 and includes the original handwritten caption,
which seems to refer to "Rev. Mr. Messenger" only (no spouse).
St. Athanasius (http://stathanasius.ladiocese.org/) dates the bottom pic at 1865.
San Gabriel Cemetery (http://sangabrielcemetery.com/history) says Henry Messenger was in charge of St. Athanasius from 1866-68, so
maybe that's the final word on the bottom pic's date? Perhaps the church initially couldn't afford the front window and 2nd door.

# # #

In 1883, the building became the LA County Assessor's Office:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2a9ae5d1.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/00076/00076313.jpg)

Here's the building in 1891, shortly before its demise, with the still-clockless County Courthouse in the background:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4fbb8bdb.jpg
Paradise Leased (http://paradiseleased.files.wordpres...jjr6555acp.jpg)

According to Paradise Leased, the original 1860s-era bell from St. Athanasius lives on at the Church of the Epiphany at 2808 Altura Street
in Lincoln Heights.

MichaelRyerson Feb 16, 2013 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rick m (Post 6017163)
It's The home of Dr. Lemoyne Wills on the upper left--- crammed with treasured antiques from China.. Razed a few years after this photo was taken..

Thanks once again Rick. I wasn't completely comfortable calling it the Baker house. Now I know why.

MichaelRyerson Feb 16, 2013 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 6017114)
OK, I just gotta ask: why were they starting construction of Union Station a full three blocks away from where it was actually constructed?

The multiple track roadbed at Union Station is raised above grade by about ten feet. This wasn't the natural topography of the site. The fill dirt under Union Station is Fort Moore Hill dirt. A fitting resting place, I guess.

sopas ej Feb 16, 2013 4:13 PM

Great pics, Flyingwedge!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6017433)

According to LAPL's caption, this picture dates to 187_ and that's Rev. & Mrs. Messenger standing in the doorway, but see below:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9eb0e662.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/00076/00076311.jpg)

USC (http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/8816/rec/10) dates the bottom pic at 1864 and includes the original handwritten caption,
which seems to refer to "Rev. Mr. Messenger" only (no spouse).
St. Athanasius (http://stathanasius.ladiocese.org/) dates the bottom pic at 1865.
San Gabriel Cemetery (http://sangabrielcemetery.com/history) says Henry Messenger was in charge of St. Athanasius from 1866-68, so
maybe that's the final word on the bottom pic's date? Perhaps the church initially couldn't afford the front window and 2nd door.

Funny, because when I first read what the LAPL's caption said, I instantly thought 'hmm, that looks more like the late 1860s.' And I thought that because of the women's clothing--they're wearing hoop skirts, but the hoops aren't as big as the hoops women wore in the earlier 1860s. By 1870, women weren't wearing hoop skirts anymore (they were wearing bustles), and if they were, I'm sure they would've gotten the same reaction that people got if they were still wearing bell-bottoms in the mid-1980s. :P

ethereal_reality Feb 16, 2013 5:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6017433)
It looks like St. Athanasius Episcopal Church. It was the first Protestant church built in LA and was located at the SW corner of Temple.

In 1883, the building became the LA County Assessor's Office:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2a9ae5d1.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/00076/00076313.jpg)

Here's the building in 1891, shortly before its demise, with the still-clockless County Courthouse in the background:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4fbb8bdb.jpg
Paradise Leased (http://paradiseleased.files.wordpres...jjr6555acp.jpg)

According to Paradise Leased, the original 1860s-era bell from St. Athanasius lives on at the Church of the Epiphany at 2808 Altura Street
in Lincoln Heights.

I am amazed by these two photographs Flyingwedge! I had no idea the little church survived for so long.

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ProphetM Feb 16, 2013 7:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6017255)
Another amazing ebay find...Fort Street 1870s.

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/8537/a...t1870sebay.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1870s-80s-FO...item53f510ec1f

Broadway at First Street?
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Yes, I believe you're right. We're standing on Poundcake Hill, south of the high school, near where the old Hall of Records would be built. The two rows of houses in the foreground, which are sitting at an angle to the main grid, would be facing Franklin St. (aka Jail St.), which ran from Spring to Broadway.

Here is a later postcard view of about the same angle:

http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/CourtS.jpg
A Visit to Old Los Angeles

Today, the houses in the nearest foreground would be sitting in Grand Park, while the houses on the other side of Franklin, and the fenced lot behind them, would be mostly on the foundation and grounds of the old state building.

ProphetM Feb 16, 2013 7:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6017433)
It looks like St. Athanasius Episcopal Church. It was the first Protestant church built in LA and was located at the SW corner of Temple and New High.

...

In 1883, the building became the LA County Assessor's Office:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2a9ae5d1.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/00076/00076313.jpg)

The view today:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-t...137%2520AM.jpg
Google Street View

Since New High Street is gone, this intersection is now mid-block on Temple, about 2/5 of the way from Spring to Main. The church property is at the corner of city hall's lawn, with the back end of the church possibly sticking out into present-day Spring Street.

Don't know if I've mentioned it before, but Google Earth is extremely helpful in placing these kinds of photos that include disappeared streets. There is a project that overlays old USGS topo maps into Google Earth, which can be found here:
http://www.gelib.com/historic-topographic-maps.htm

You download the index, and then you can turn on an old USGS map for a particular area. The one covering downtown LA is from 1928, and shows lots of old alignments and missing streets like New High and Franklin. You can use the transparency slider to move back and forth between the old USGS topo and the modern aerial photo and see exactly where stuff used to be.

Noircitydame Feb 16, 2013 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6017195)
Found on ebay today.


Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show parade, April 1914. ---> pan right

http://imageshack.us/a/img502/9900/s...april1914e.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Los-Angeles-...item460cbd5ad7

The crenellated building at far right resembles the Los Angeles Times Building..but I think it's a different building.

Great billboards by the way.
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I'm new to the fuorum and have not yet learned how to post photots - but I think it's the old Armory, aka the Copeland Building (1908) at 8th & Spring?

MichaelRyerson Feb 16, 2013 8:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 6017764)
I'm new to the fuorum and have not yet learned how to post photots - but I think it's the old Armory, aka the Copeland Building (1908) at 8th & Spring?

Welcome to the thread noircitydame. It'll be good for these rowdies to have another lady around. Hope you don't mind the rough language.

tovangar2 Feb 16, 2013 9:19 PM

The Armory
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 6017764)
I'm new to the forum and have not yet learned how to post photos - but I think it's the old Armory, aka the Copeland Building (1908) at 8th & Spring?

Yes, that's it, shown below in this 1908 view:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-I...229%2520PM.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/1927/rec/19

Welcome NCD

T2

tovangar2 Feb 16, 2013 9:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 6017758)


Don't know if I've mentioned it before, but Google Earth is extremely helpful in placing these kinds of photos that include disappeared streets. There is a project that overlays old USGS topo maps into Google Earth, which can be found here:
http://www.gelib.com/historic-topographic-maps.htm

You download the index, and then you can turn on an old USGS map for a particular area. The one covering downtown LA is from 1928, and shows lots of old alignments and missing streets like New High and Franklin. You can use the transparency slider to move back and forth between the old USGS topo and the modern aerial photo and see exactly where stuff used to be.

Thank you so much ProphetM. Excellent info.

Mr.Swink Feb 16, 2013 10:46 PM

Reply: Ocean View Ave.
 
Ethereal Reality, thanks for the post of the late 1800's photos that show Ocean Ave!

I never made the connection that the long broad hill with the Victorian homes was Ocean View Ave. This makes me want to go back up there to see if I can find remnants/ clues of homes from the late 1890's.

Your reply inspired me to do some searching of my files. I found this photo from USC digital I had saved 8 years ago and it has Ocean View Ave. And I can make out the Onion Dome building, the brick apartment building from Coronado Ave, and the Craftsman House from my original post. (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12552)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...wElks1925.jpeg

USC Digital Archives
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/90806/rec/31

Here is the detail with the onion dome apt and craftsman labeled. Notice the oil wells at the top of the hill.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...1d0183478c.jpg

USC Digital Archives (detail)

ER, this photo you posted... that lady in the middle with that AMAZING hat gets mad props for being so proper!

http://imageshack.us/a/img252/2002/a...kphoto1907.jpg
ebay

And as I am writing this, I just found this photo. It is even older than the other one and the hill top appears to have more oil wells.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...eanViewold.jpg

LAPL Digital Photo Collection
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics02/00010809.jpg

rbpjr Feb 16, 2013 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6017085)
Great post Mr. Swink! Ocean View Avenue has always intrigued me.
It's easy to forget the topography of the area; especially when you're thousands of miles from L.A. (like I am at the moment).




Unless I'm mistaken, the photographs below show the earliest developments on Ocean View Avenue overlooking Westlake Park.


"West Lake Park North Shore"
http://imageshack.us/a/img826/2933/a...e1890sebay.jpg
postcard/ebay



detail
http://imageshack.us/a/img692/2648/a...repeatposa.jpg

Is that Gertrude Stein? :)






"View in West Lake Park, Los Angeles CAl."

http://imageshack.us/a/img545/4161/aawestlakepark.jpg
postcard/ebay

...and there's Alice B.






A genteel time in 'belle epoque' Los Angeles. West Lake Park (known today as MacArthur Park*)

http://imageshack.us/a/img252/2002/a...kphoto1907.jpg
ebay

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A friend of my father, Mrs. Mary Duffield, would talk of the time when they would ride (car or horse/buggy) out to the "West Reservoir" for picnics when she was a child. I am guessing she meant about the late 1800's...these pictures give me an idea of what she was talking about...wonderful.

ethereal_reality Feb 17, 2013 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 6017764)
I'm new to the fuorum and have not yet learned how to post photots - but I think it's the old Armory, aka the Copeland Building (1908) at 8th & Spring?

Thanks for the information Noircitydame, and welcome to the thread! I should have known it was the Copeland Building.
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...and thanks for the info. on Fort Street ProphetM. -much appreciated.

Noircitydame Feb 17, 2013 2:02 AM

Thanks for the welcome everyone! Just as a hobby I've been making a database of buildings in the LA downtown core that existed as of 1934 and every time I looked up an obscure fact or building, this forum almost always came up. I really appreciate it.

If the language gets too rough I'll just take a powder to the powder room.

tovangar2 Feb 17, 2013 4:18 AM

Olvera Street
 
Just for comparison, this shot of unpaved Olvera Street is dated "late 1920s" by the source:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N...621%2520PM.jpg
http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl..._(Page_2).html

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 6014381)
For MichaelRyerson - here's a photo from your Flickr account, described as unidentified:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7118/7...3c06ea89_b.jpg
another unidentified, undated picture from the california historical society by MichaelRyerson, on Flickr

Full description:
titled: Empty street in El Paseo de Los Angeles, [s.d.]

Photograph of an empty street in El Paseo de Los Angeles, [s.d.]. A narrow road paved with paving stones runs from the foreground to the background at center. Multi-story brick buildings can be seen along the road at right, while lower structures can be seen on the left side of the road. A three-tiered fountain can be seen at left. Several trees are visible as well.


Not sure if this picture has remained unidentified - I searched for it in the thread but didn't find it posted at all. This is Olvera Street, looking south. I assume it's about 1929 as it's been cleaned up nicely but doesn't yet appear to have any vendors or visitors.

At immediate right is the Italian Hall. In the distance at left just beyond the US flag is the Avila adobe (behind the flagpole), then the LA Railway substation (behind the flag itself) and finally the tower of the plaza Methodist church. The fountain on the left side of the street is still around as well. A Google image search for 'olvera street fountain' generates several pictures - it's painted light blue.



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