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Ed Workman Aug 6, 2016 3:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Otis Criblecoblis (Post 7523437)
I think the slogan is actually "Zero in on Safety." I see what looks like another word in very small letters to the left of "Safety", and I assume the word is "on" because it fits.

Pretty sure this is not Los Angeles, but TUCSON

HossC Aug 6, 2016 8:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7523354)

Yes, Hoss, you are exactly right.

I knew that if I posted enough, I'd have to be right eventually ;). Thanks for the great follow-up on the Harbor Freeway bypass, Flyingwedge.


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I found this picture a few days ago at USC. Its title is "Exterior view of the Wiltcie B. Ames residence on Flower Street, 1880-1920". The address is 2433 South Flower Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

I checked out Wiltcie B Ames is the City Directories, and found he was only resident there in the 1906 and 1908 editions. The other thing that caught my eye was that he seemed to change job titles virtually every year. In 1906 he's listed as president of The Ames Mercantile Agency, vice-president of Fraternal Savings and Commercial Bank, general manager of Ames Realty and Rental Co, general manager of Giles Law and Collection Agency, and president of Co-operative Homebuilders. By 1908 this has reduced to president of the Miners & Merchants Bank and Ames Mercantile Co. Between the 1908 and 1910 editions, Wiltcie moved to San Dimas. In 1912 he's general manager of the Victor Oil Co. Then things get really strange, because in 1916, Wiltcie is listed as a barber and president of L A Savings Mortgage & Trust Co and president of Lone Hill Groves and Nurseries. In 1917 he's just listed as a nurseryman, and in 1925 he's the manager of the Temple Country Club and living at 1533 N Alexandria Avenue.

The picture also appears on Wikimedia, where the description says that the house was built in 1901, and adds the following details:
In 1906 the first owner Reuben G. Simons sold the house to Wiltcie B. Ames (1869-1942) and his wife Caroline Rachel (1873-1921). In 1909 they sold it to Joseph Metzler of Metzler Investment Company, where Irving and Hannah Metzler lived until 1922. It was demolished by 1956, with its site under the present day Harbor Freeway.
In the 1901 CD, the original owner's name is listed as Ralph Simons, a brick maker. Here's where his house once stood.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Google Maps

ethereal_reality Aug 6, 2016 10:19 PM

:previous:Good find Hoss. In the view below, you can see a bit more of the carriage house out back.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/jnwltt.jpg
http://oldhomesoflosangeles.blogspot...ion-style.html



There's additional information at GW's "Old Homes of Los Angeles"
http://oldhomesoflosangeles.blogspot...ion-style.html

HossC Aug 6, 2016 10:27 PM

:previous:

Thanks, e_r. I checked NLA, but missed GW's Bradford Caslon's blog post.


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Enough of hardware stores in Long Beach (until I find another one). Today's Julius Shulman post shows American Savings and Loan in Whittier. This is "Job 2932: American Savings and Loan Institute (Whittier, Calif.), 1960".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

There's also an interior view.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

Both from Getty Research Institute

Thanks to the 1963 advert below, I have an address, but I still can't find it. There's "210" over the door in the first picture, so I think the address is correct. Has Philadelphia Street been renumbered, because the section that runs through Whittier seems to have numbers around 13000. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
books.google.com

ethereal_reality Aug 6, 2016 10:34 PM

:previous:
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...923/gBTFq6.jpg
detail

That customer has an extra-wide head. ;)

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ethereal_reality Aug 6, 2016 10:42 PM

'mystery' Ralphs.

I was going through some old files this morning and happened upon this photograph that I believe might be new to NLA.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/ZPgn1R.jpg
personal 'collection'

Besides the streamline-moderne/Art Deco Ralphs, there are other distinctive buildings in the distance.

I believe that one might be a van de kamp bakery (the blades are either missing, or behind the tree)

What do ya think?

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GaylordWilshire Aug 7, 2016 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7523742)
:previous:Good find Hoss. In the view below, you can see a bit more of the carriage house out back.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/jnwltt.jpg
http://oldhomesoflosangeles.blogspot...ion-style.html



There's additional information at GaylordWilshire's "Old Homes of Los Angeles"
http://oldhomesoflosangeles.blogspot...ion-style.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7523747)
:previous:

Thanks, e_r. I checked NLA, but missed GW's blog post.


WHOA guys-- credit where credit is due-- "Old Homes of Los Angeles"--a.k.a. "A Look Back at Vintage Los Angeles" isn't mine. It belongs to a fellow NLAer, whose handle here I can't
in these early, pre-coffee hours dredge up...please reveal yourself "Bradford Caslon"....


I am, however, nearing completion of my pictorial catalog of all nearly 300 houses of the original tracts of Windsor Square: windsorsquarelosangeles.blogspot.com


My illustration of 310 South Lucerne Boulevard--mayhem in the butler's pantry
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cH...366-h768-rw-no


There's not a lot of noir, but there is the tale of the Ferreris of 310 South Lucerne.... While especially before advanced medical technology, many people died
of natural causes in Windsor Square houses, in one of the few grisly murders to ruffle the leafy district, "gonnected" businessman Jerome Ferreri's wife
used a meat cleaver to finish him off with 23 blows in the butler's pantry of 310 South Lucerne Boulevard—after an accomplice's gunshots failed to do the job—in October
1948. I find it hard to believe that we haven't covered this story on NLA--I searched, for what that's worth-- but the case was practically a new Black Dahlia in terms
of newspaper coverage. The trashy behavior in a genteel neighborhood is amusing too. My coverage of the 300 block of S Lucerne is here (still several houses to go): http://windsorsquarelosangeles.blogs...blog-post.html


Full story, in three installments, is at the great Deranged L.A. Crimes: http://derangedlacrimes.com/?p=5542

Blaster Aug 7, 2016 1:24 PM

Gaylord, thanks for all this research on the 300 block of South Lucerne. I live in the 200 block of South Lucerne so it's great to have all this history, murder and mayhem just a few yards away.

ethereal_reality Aug 7, 2016 5:33 PM

I don't remember seeing this bus depot before.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/iyam8n.jpg
eBay

Any idea where this was located in Long Beach?




Below: note the open-all-nite 'Trailways Cafe' that was situated in the corner of the building.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/w97X96.jpg
detail

And here's another clue, there appears to be a Hertz Rental across the street.

hmmmm... I just noticed the small antenna on the roof of the bus depot (I thought it was a weather vane at first)

-was this to keep in contact with buses once they were in the vicinity of the depot?

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HossC Aug 7, 2016 6:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7523756)

'mystery' Ralphs.

I was going through some old files this morning and happened upon this photograph that I believe might be new to NLA.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/ZPgn1R.jpg
personal 'collection'

Besides the streamline-moderne/Art Deco Ralphs, there are other distinctive buildings in the distance.

I believe that one might be a van de kamp bakery (the blades are either missing, or behind the tree)

What do ya think?

Apologies for my miscredit earlier (now fixed), although GW definitely posted this picture before in response to the photo below.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6491086)

Here's a nice little Van de Kamp's Bakery and a Ralph's. Location unknown.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...0/713/oc59.jpgebay

GW followed-up about Van de Kamp's and Ralph's in post #20129 and post #20131.

The top picture of Ralph's was taken at Verdugo and Dixon in Glendale. There's still a Ralph's on the same block, but not the same building. Here's a comparison of 1952 and today.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Historic Aerials/Google Maps

CityBoyDoug Aug 7, 2016 6:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7524222)

Yes, you nailed it Hoss. It appears that Ralph's built a new market on the same site. The footprint of the old building became the new parking lot.

I suppose they had a marketing deal with VanDeKamps as they share the same property with their buildings.

Thanks to ER for posting that first ''mystery'' photo.

HossC Aug 7, 2016 6:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7524197)

I don't remember seeing this bus depot before.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/iyam8n.jpg
eBay

Any idea where this was located in Long Beach?

...

And here's another clue, there appears to be a Hertz Rental across the street.

In the 1948 Long Beach CD I found Santa Fe Burlington Trailways at 56 American Avenue and Hertz Driv-Ur-Self System at 114 American Avenue. American Avenue is now Long Beach Boulevard. There's no sign of the buildings today.

ethereal_reality Aug 7, 2016 7:00 PM

So the photographer was standing on the corner of Verdugo and Dixon...thanks Hoss.

With that information, I was able to find the date of the photo.....1946

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/yWNpNg.jpg
http://www.glendalehistorical.org




And here's another view of the Van de Kamp's on Verdugo. (next to the tree in the above photo)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/924/Al8abR.jpg
la_avenuesproject / lapl photo

You can see somebody's spiffy corvette thru the windows.:previous:

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ethereal_reality Aug 7, 2016 7:20 PM

...here's one still standing at 4157 South Figueroa!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/rSkDRy.jpg
https://lavenuesproject.files.wordpr...4/05/photo.jpg

I'd stop and buy some booze just to see the inside. ;)

Amazingly, it still has parts of the wooden fence along the roof-line (see previous post to see what I'm talking about)
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Have we seen this before on NLA? (if so, I couldn't find it)

ethereal_reality Aug 7, 2016 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otis Criblecoblis (Post 7523437)
I think the slogan is actually "Zero in on Safety."

I see what looks like another word in very small letters to the left of "Safety", and I assume the word is "on" because it fits.

Oh my, I couldn't see that tiny "on" if my life depended on it, but it makes perfect sense.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...924/Yne2RK.jpg

Your powers of deduction are obviously much better than mine. ;)
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Ed Workman wrote;
"Pretty sure this is not Los Angeles, but Tucson"

:previous:I'm curious, why to you think this is Tucson Ed....care to elaborate?

HossC Aug 7, 2016 8:11 PM

Here's a Lincoln Mercury dealership from Julius Shulman. It's "Job 462: Towers Motors (Glendale, Calif.), 1949".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

I believe the company was actually called Tower Motors. A quick Google told me that the building was designed by John Lautner. It was apparently on Colorado Boulevard, although I haven't found an address. A Facebook post at SoCal Historic Architecture describes it as "a lost John Lautner gem", so I assume it's no longer standing. Maybe the background buildings will help someone track down its location.

ethereal_reality Aug 7, 2016 8:28 PM

That's a great looking showroom Hoss.



Like you said, perhaps the background buildings will help us figure out the location.

Does anyone recognize the apartment building with the roof-top sign (it's obviously something "Grove")

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/db9MXh.jpg
detail

I checked Peterson Mfg, and the directory gave the address as 226 E. 25th St. (prob. the main plant, which doesn't help in the least)



The next best clue is the restaurant at the far right in the other photo. Hopefully a noirisher familiar with Glendale will recognize it. (or be able to read the sign...Otis?)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/RVAba6.jpg
detail

My eye keeps returning to the tall sign looming over the restaurant---> It's rather odd looking isn't it

Ed Workman Aug 7, 2016 9:08 PM

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Ed Workman wrote;
"Pretty sure this is not Los Angeles, but Tucson"

:previous:I'm curious, why to you think this is Tucson Ed....care to elaborate?[/QUOTE]

Well, the towers at Los Angeles were Dayton Avenue- made of concrete and moved a mile north as an icon for the industrial park that now occupies most of the Taylor Yard site. Another was Mainline Tower which was mostly sheathed in sheetmetal. There was another at the hump crest, but it was reached by an overhead walkway
I say Tucson because of all that clear sunshine and the peak in the background fit.

Flyingwedge Aug 7, 2016 9:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7524307)
That's a great looking showroom Hoss.

Like you said, perhaps the background buildings will help us figure out the location.

Does anyone recognize the apartment building with the roof-top sign (it's obviously something "Grove")

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/db9MXh.jpg
detail

Yes, great pics, Hoss!

The building in front of the one you've arrowed, e_r, is 609-11 E. Colorado St. in Glendale. The next street north from
Colorado is Orange Grove Avenue, so that explains the roof sign in the vintage photo. And, yes, the auto dealership is gone:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...j.jpg~original
GSV Dec 2015

ethereal_reality Aug 7, 2016 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Workman (Post 7524331)
Well, the towers at Los Angeles were Dayton Avenue- made of concrete and moved a mile north as an icon for the industrial park that now occupies most of the Taylor Yard site. Another was Mainline Tower which was mostly sheathed in sheetmetal. There was another at the hump crest, but it was reached by an overhead walkway
I say Tucson because of all that clear sunshine and the peak in the background fit.

Thanks for the explanation Ed.

Your comment about the Dayton Tower piqued by interest.


From my quick google search I found out it was built in 1931.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...923/5ObALF.jpg
http://www.a-p.com/news/press_releas...ard-developmen


"Dayton Tower was constructed in 1931 by the Southern Pacific Railroad, and for more than fifty years the 17′ x 23′ two story concrete tower controlled train movements in the busy network of tracks that converged and divided at the south end of Southern Pacific’s Taylor Yard Complex in Los Angeles. In later years it was moved north of the I-5 bridge where the interstate crosses both the railroads and Los Angeles River. In 1993 the Dayton Tower was moved to a flat site at San Fernando Road and Elm Street by American Heaving Moving. In order to preserve the tower and make way for the Rio Vista Apartments (Lot 1 of the Taylor Yard development), the tower was moved 1,800 feet to it’s permanent location by A&P on April 27, 2013. Coincidentally, 20 years after the last move, A&P contracted with the same firm, American Heavy Moving, to perform the work."





I just found this slide dated 1993 on eBay.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/3wy3k7.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Color-Trai...IAAOSwLVZVjvlt

A**holes and their graffiti :(





And on the move in 2013.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/QyuHek.jpg
http://la.curbed.com/2013/5/8/102459...oved-to-safety


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