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CityBoyDoug Nov 14, 2015 12:46 AM

Redline Zones
 
Here's a Map from the old days of ''redlining". Basically the map shows where the various classes of people lived in the Los Angeles area. Of course there are overlapping areas. It was used for insurance purposes and other reasons.

The Beverly Hills area has the highest rating.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psdd109inw.jpg

tovangar2 Nov 14, 2015 1:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7234802)
Q: Why the 3 behind Los Angeles?
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Like CBD said
9220 S Broadway, Los Angeles 3, California turned into
9220 S Broadway, Los Angeles CA 90003

Those Who Squirm! Nov 14, 2015 2:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7234846)
ER....good question. Before ZIP codes, LA was divided into Zones. Each Zone had a number. Of course the Zones are now gone and have been replaced with ZIP codes.

I've noticed that the old zone numbers usually correspond to the fourth and fifth digits of the present ZIP code. Today the full zip code for 9220 S. Broadway is 90003-4042. I imagine it was the same for other cities. The postal service had already been using the zone numbers and merely prefixed a three-digit designation for each city.

Those Who Squirm! Nov 14, 2015 2:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7234876)
Here's a Map from the old days of ''redlining". Basically the map shows where the various classes of people lived in the Los Angeles area. Of course there are overlapping areas. It was used for insurance purposes and other reasons.

The Beverly Hills area has the highest rating.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...psdd109inw.jpg

Mostly poorer people living near the beach! Astonishing, or it would be if I didn't know how remote Santa Monica and environs seemed in the old days.

ProphetM Nov 14, 2015 3:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7234802)
:previous: You're absolutely correct CBD.
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vintage 'girlie' ashtray.

Ace Saw Works, 9220 South Broadway, Los Angeles 3, Calif. phone: PLymouth 6-3748.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...911/nvCCyN.jpg
eBay

from the days when everyone seemed to smoke.

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... and womens' underwear spontaneously dropped to their ankles without warning as they went about their daily business.

A painting by Art Frahm, master of the subtle genre of 'women carrying groceries whose panties have fallen down while a gust of air blows their skirt up'.

http://www.lileks.com/institute/frahm/index.html

ethereal_reality Nov 14, 2015 3:35 AM

:previous: lol. I had no idea falling panties was a genre ProphetM.

Thanks for the link. - quite entertaining.

ethereal_reality Nov 14, 2015 3:49 AM

re: the address

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...903/qVHeb6.jpg
eBay




below: Here is the old Ace Saw Works location at 9220 S. Broadway, Los Angeles 3.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...911/MNheIH.jpg
gsv



I wonder if anyone at the "Greater Progressive Missionary Baptist Church" has seen this ashtray? ;)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...903/jHlsYZ.png
gsv / detail

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ethereal_reality Nov 14, 2015 4:12 AM

Here's an amazing photograph.

"Santa Monica High School Junior Prom, Bristol Pier, April 18, 1913".


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/shCaBC.jpg
old file / eBay




detail
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...905/KgJHVD.jpg

:previous:Blue Arrows: I don't think these two even go to Santa Monica High.
Green Arrow: This guy should be in the movies.
Red Arrow: This guy's head seems way too big when compared to near-by heads.



below: Red Arrow, Lonely boy. I feel sad for him.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...905/VII5rY.png
detail



Bristol Pier postcard, 1910s.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...911/aWfQvx.jpg
eBay

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tovangar2 Nov 14, 2015 7:24 AM

Pickit Villa / Bellevue Terrace Hotel / Jonathan Club
 
There have been a few posts on the Bellevue Terrace Hotel before. I maybe found a bit more info and a couple of new pix.

The Bellevue Terrace Hotel was on Pearl St (formerly Grasshopper, now S Figueroa) at 6th. Bellevue Terrace continued 6th St to the west as a lane/alley. (The company that currently runs the gift shop in the Jonathan Club's parking structure is called Bellevue Terrace Service, Inc.)


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4414141)

Here's a clearer view taken from the same spot up on Bunker Hill ca 1886 or later. The Bellevue Terrace is at center left (the 1886 four-story addition is in place). The Foy house (EF Kysor, 1872), up on its little hillock, appears in both photos. The rolling Crown Hills are in the background. The most elevated of the homes there may be on St Paul Avenue (or under the Harbor). Fifth and Flower (I think) is at lower left center. This intersection regularly flooded (for obvious reasons) up until the mid-twentieth-century.:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-S...9%252520AM.jpg
lapl/wm henry fletcher, n.d.

Even earlier, Augustus Koch's 1871 birdseye shows Grasshopper St and 6th forming a corner nestled against the hills. Los Reyes, spilling out of its arroyo, runs diagonally across the lower right corner of the image:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-d...8%252520AM.jpg
ucla dl (detail)

Baist, plate No. 8, 1910 (detail). The Bellevue Terrace Hotel is near the top, the Foy house is near the lower edge at No. 651:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...7%252520PM.jpg
historic mapworks

The structure on the left may have been a pre-existing building. Its tower doesn't match the other two. It was later extended to the west. The center building was built in 1885 as the "Pickit Villa" by owners Donald and Mrs Katie Pickit. The hotel had a combined total of forty rooms and was such a hit that the four-story addition on the right was built in 1886. The two new buildings were connected by a second-floor balcony and renamed the more melodious "Bellevue Terrace". The hotel was "out in the country", but the 6th St trolley came right to the door:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-M...7%252520AM.jpg
overland monthly, july 1886

Much work went into the connecting balcony and the the porches, built in a late-Victorian style
(sort of a combination of Queen Anne and Stick):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-a...9%252520PM.jpg
huntington dl (detail)

The Belmont Hotel, aimed at a similar clientele, burned down in 1887

The Bellevue Terrace got refurbished with new paint, paper and carpeting in 1891 when it was taken over by new proprietor CW Stewart.

There were some crackerjack country homes built to the south of Bellevue Terrace:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5...7%252520PM.jpg
lapl n.d.(detail)

Would you just look at that tower growing out of the second frame home!
It brings "Alien" to mind. I assume a damsel was imprisoned there. The retaining wall of the Bellevue Terrace Hotel is on the right margin:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-K...4%252520PM.jpg
huntington dl n.d.

I'm a little confused about the "Alien" house's address. It's between 609 and 615. If it was No. 611, demo permits were issued in 1922 and 1924, each for a "dwelling" there. Either the carriage house was counted as a dwelling or the '22 permit wasn't used and had to be reissued. Anyway, it's gone now.

In 1915, no less a person than John Parkinson designed and built a one-story, ten-room brick store building at 601-609 S Figueroa, south of Belleview Terrace (now called W 6th) and the Bellevue Terrace Hotel. As we've already seen, Parkinson was not the first LA architect to engage in real estate speculation (Ezra Kysor actually quit his firm to go into it full time):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-a...5%252520AM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3...6%252520AM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...4%252520AM.jpg
ladbs

As for the Bellevue Terrace Hotel, below is its decline in pictures.

ca 1891-1895. The refurbished hotel looks splendid done up in its new creamy paint. Edward Doheny stayed here with his family in 1892. He said he got the idea for drilling for oil while watching fuel and tar wagons pass by from his perch on a balcony:
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 4414141)

1900. Still looking good, if a little old-fashioned:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...9%252520PM.jpg
lapl

But by 1920, the Bellevue Terrace was rundown:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-y...0%252520PM.jpg
lapl

Detail from above image:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-h...6%252520PM.jpg



JScott posted an outstanding 1916 detail shot of the Bellevue Terrace Hotel and its urban surroundings here (the full image is here)


In 1922 three demo permits were issued for the three structures which made up the hotel.

In 1924 the Jonathan Club was granted a permit to build their Schultze and Weaver designed, twelve-story building from brick, stone and terra cotta. It cost $1.8 million.


Those priors:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=178
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=21234
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=23293
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=21232


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Roy W Nov 14, 2015 4:02 PM

Some wonderful old photos of Los Angeles in here, would there be a similar forum that covers San Francisco?

HossC Nov 14, 2015 7:21 PM

There are only two photos in this Julius Shulman set, both showing the interior of an unnamed branch of Coffee Dan's. These pictures date from five years after yesterday's Wilshire Boulevard set, and the design is quite different. This is "Job 2013: Douglas Honnold and John Rex, Coffee Dan's (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1955".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

The only clue to the location is these buildings visible through the window.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

A bit of Googling led me back to a stretch of Sherman Way in Reseda that we've visited a few times recently through Julius Shulman's photos. The most obvious sign in the detail above is for Greene's Mens Wear. Next to that is a ladies' fashion shop called Garlands. Finally, next to Garlands is part of sign for Leslie's Youth Fashions. They were at 18315, 18317 and 18319 Sherman Way respectively. The clipping below is from the September 27, 1956 edition of Valley News.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
www.newspapers.com

Here's how those stores look today.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
GSV

The mid-60s newspapers I found simply give the location of Coffee Dan's as the corner of Sherman Way and Etiwanda Avenue, but a couple of earlier references list the address as 18300 Sherman Way. That's now the address of Shoe City.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original
GSV

HossC Nov 15, 2015 9:12 PM

I didn't intend these two posts to be consecutive, but I left it over 24 hours between them!

Here's another Coffee Dan's we haven't seen before - Santa Monica. It has the same architects as the Reseda branch we saw yesterday (above), and the photos date from a year earlier. It's Julius Shulman's "Job 1734: Douglas Honnold and John Rex, Coffee Dan's (Santa Monica, Calif.),1954".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

Coffee Dan's used two different typefaces for their logo - this is the one with the thinner letters.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

The number visible in the picture above, combined with the signpost visible here, tells us that the address was 130 Wilshire Boulevard, Santa Monica.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

The back of the building was quite plain and utilitarian. Across Wilshire you can see the parking lot for the Miramar Hotel.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

The exit of Coffee Dan's parking lot.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

The counter seating area.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

This end looks very light and airy.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original

No window views for the people in the booths.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...8.jpg~original

A couple more interior pictures.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

I couldn't find any reference to this branch when I Googled it, so I've got no idea how long it lasted. MartinTurnbull's page about Biff's has the advert below which includes a Santa Monica branch at 130 Wilshire Boulevard, so I'm guessing that this Coffee Dan's became Biff's at some point. Also note the Reseda address, which is only a couple of blocks from the Coffee Dan's we saw yesterday.
NB. I've straightened the original image and remade the missing parts of the border.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
www.martinturnbull.com

The Miramar Hotel is still there (now called the Fairmont Miramar Hotel), but the Coffee Dan's building is long gone.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
GSV

knites Nov 15, 2015 9:56 PM

Lost Landscapes of Los Angeles
 
For those in L.A. on Nov. 16, there is a screening of Los Landscapes of Los Angeles by Rick Prelinger at the RedCat Theatre downtown. Home movies of the Los Angeles area from the 20s to the 60s. See the link below:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...13-column.html

CityBoyDoug Nov 15, 2015 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7236373)
I didn't intend these two posts to be consecutive, but I left it over 24 hours between them!

Here's another Coffee Dan's we haven't seen before - Santa Monica. It has the same architects as the Reseda branch we saw yesterday (above), and the photos date from a year earlier. It's Julius Shulman's "Job 1734: Douglas Honnold and John Rex, Coffee Dan's (Santa Monica, Calif.),1954".

Thanks Hoss for keeping the thread alive. That Coffee Dan's was totally gorgeous...kind of FLLW in style. It was a sad loss for the area. It was replaced by a big nothing of a structure.

tovangar2 Nov 15, 2015 11:44 PM

SC Foy House
 
Speaking of the Foy House, both Big Orange Landmarks and Nathan Masters say it was moved from 651 S Figueroa to Wilshire Blvd, then to Witmer Street and on to Carroll Ave, but that's not reflected in the permit:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...4%252520PM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C...0%252520PM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...2%252520PM.jpg
ladbs

1919, the year before the move:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l...8%252520AM.jpg
bigorangelandmarks

625 Witmer St, after 1960:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...3%252520PM.jpg
uscdl
:previous:
I well remember the Foy residence on Witmer. I used to drive by it often. In later years it was painted a not-unattractive, pale aqua/mint green color with white trim.

1337 Carroll Avenue. The home was moved overnight on Dec 8/9 1992, according to LAT reporting at the time (although wiki pegs it at 1993):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6...6%252520PM.jpg
bigorangelandmarks
:previous:
I wish someone would get around to restoring the porch gingerbread, but I wish a lot of things.

There's also references on several sites that the Foy was LA's first 3-story house. Unless they're counting the basement/crawl space, I don't know where that's coming from.


Anyway, too much conflicting information on the net. Does anyone have any reliable info about a move to Wilshire Blvd? Thx


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tovangar2 Nov 16, 2015 12:00 AM

Prelinger
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by knites (Post 7236397)
For those in L.A. on Nov. 16, there is a screening of Los Landscapes of Los Angeles by Rick Prelinger at the RedCat Theatre downtown. Home movies of the Los Angeles area from the 20s to the 60s. See the link below:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...13-column.html

Thx!

I'm excited re this quote from Prelinger:

"There are birthday parties and New Year's celebrations — like the one you see at Angel's Flight Café"

We're finally gonna see some interior shots? Here's hoping :-)

John Maddox Roberts Nov 16, 2015 1:40 AM

Oh, this sounds great! How long before it's available on YouTube?

Tetsu Nov 16, 2015 2:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7236483)
Speaking of the Foy House, both Big Orange Landmarks and Nathan Masters say it was moved from 651 S Figueroa to Wilshire Blvd, then to Witmer Street and on to Carroll Ave, but that's not reflected in the permit:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...4%252520PM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C...0%252520PM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...2%252520PM.jpg
ladbs

1919, the year before the move:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l...8%252520AM.jpg
bigorangelandmarks

625 Witmer St, after 1960:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-F...3%252520PM.jpg
uscdl
:previous:
I well remember the Foy residence on Witmer. I used to drive by it often. In later years it was painted a not-unattractive, pale aqua/mint green color with white trim.

1337 Carroll Avenue. The home was moved overnight on Dec 8/9 1992, according to LAT reporting at the time (although wiki pegs it at 1993):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6...6%252520PM.jpg
bigorangelandmarks
:previous:
I wish someone would get around to restoring the porch gingerbread, but I wish a lot of things.

There's also references on several sites that the Foy was LA's first 3-story house. Unless they're counting the basement/crawl space, I don't know where that's coming from.


Anyway, too much conflicting information on the net. Does anyone have any reliable info about a move to Wilshire Blvd? Thx


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I also remember the Foy House when it was on Witmer. My dad took me by it a few times on the strength of Winter & Gebhard's architecture guide. If I recall you could actually see it from the 110 at one point. I remember it being painted a shade of blue that reminded me of the blue that's frequently used for tarps. Maybe I remember wrong though - I was just a kid.

Also, on the subject of it being moved to Wilshire, would it not be reasonable to guess that it's just been rounded off as 'being moved to Wilshire' because its Witmer location was so close to the Wilshire intersection?

tovangar2 Nov 16, 2015 5:02 AM

S.C. Foy Residence, attributed to EF Kysor (1872 or 1873)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tetsu (Post 7236624)

Also, on the subject of it being moved to Wilshire, would it not be reasonable to guess that it's just been rounded off as 'being moved to Wilshire' because its Witmer location was so close to the Wilshire intersection?

Yes, it would, but that's not what's being said:

"From its perch on the foot of Bunker Hill, the Foy residence kept watch over the corner until 1920, when it was moved to Wilshire Boulevard. It was later moved twice more and today sits at 1325 Carroll Avenue in Angelino Heights."
- kcet

"on the foot of Bunker Hill" seems a bit of a stretch too.

Also the Foy house is at 1337 Carroll Ave, not 1325:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E...2%252520PM.jpg
gsv

No. 1325, the Irey House, built in 1887 or 1890 (depending on who one wants to believe), is two doors east and needs a lot of work.
The permit to move it to Carroll Ave from 1123 Court St was issued in 1977:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-z...0%252520PM.jpg
gsv

That's, of course, the Innes House (ca 1887) :previous: in between the Foy and the Irey, made famous as a filming location. It was actually built on Carroll Ave.


The Big Orange Landmarks quote re the Foy:

"This house hasn’t had just one location in its Los Angeles history. Not two, nor even three, but four different sites has this home called home. According to Landmarks of Los Angeles by McGrew and Julian, it was built in 1872 at the corner of Seventh and Figueroa (then called Pearl), being moved to Wilshire Boulevard in 1921. It was then relocated to 633 South Witmer Street, and, in 1993, finally wound up at its present spot on Carroll Avenue."

Actually McGrew and Julian don't quite say that in "Landmarks of Los Angeles" (1994). The correct quote is:

"His home was built on the corner of Seventh and Pearl (now Figueroa); later it was moved to Wilshire Boulevard and finally to its current address"

Which is even worse.

McGrew and Julian list the "current address" as 633 S Witmer Street at the top of their entry on the Foy. (It was moved to Carroll Ave the year before their book came out.)

Anyway, the house was built on Grasshopper St./Calle de los Chapules. The name wasn't changed to "Pearl St" through this stretch until 26 Feb 1874 and then to "Figueroa" in 1896 per Nathan Masters (the LA Herald of 27 Feb 1874 backs him up). There's also this.


But hey, I make plenty of mistakes too.


I just want to know if there's any credible evidence that the Foy ever had a Wilshire address or was moved more than twice.

Those Who Squirm! Nov 16, 2015 8:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy W (Post 7235305)
Some wonderful old photos of Los Angeles in here, would there be a similar forum that covers San Francisco?

I think, in San Francisco the City itself is your "forum", being so compact. It's one of the things I love about it when I visit.


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