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Steely Dan Aug 3, 2020 11:17 PM

Suburban Sore Thumbs
 
outside of a few little clumps in places like evanston, schaumburg, and oak park, suburban chicago generally doesn't do highrises.

but we do have a big one that sticks out like a sore thumb on the pancake flat topography of chicagoland's seemingly infinite sprawltopia.

"how did something that tall and expensive get built in the relative middle of nowhere?"


Oak Brook Terrace Tower | 418 FT | 31 FLOORS | 1986

google maps: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8521.../data=!3m1!1e3

https://s3-prod.chicagobusiness.com/...49.59%20AM.png
source: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...ands-big-lease






how about your metro, do you have any lonely suburban sore thumb towers?

rsbear Aug 3, 2020 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9000128)
outside of few little clumps in places like evanston, schaumburg, and oak park, suburban chicago generally doesn't do highrises.

but we do have a big one that sticks out like a sore thumb on the pancake flat topography of chicagoland's seemingly infinite sprawltopia.

"how did something that tall and expensive get built in the relative middle of nowhere?"


Oak Brook Terrace tower | 418 FT | 31 FLOORS | 1986

google maps: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8521.../data=!3m1!1e3

https://s3-prod.chicagobusiness.com/...49.59%20AM.png
source: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/comm...ands-big-lease






how about your metro, do you have any lonely suburban sore thumb towers?



All that building needs is a moat full of crocodiles and it would be perfect.

edale Aug 3, 2020 11:36 PM

great idea for a thread, and I kind of love the Oak Brook tower.

Buckeye Native 001 Aug 3, 2020 11:50 PM

Oral Roberts University near Tulsa, OK has one or two examples, iirc?

iheartthed Aug 4, 2020 12:30 AM

The NY area has a couple that I know of, but not many. You can spot some from the NJ Turnpike, like here and here.

Suburban Detroit is littered with them, so it would be a very time consuming to document them all. Most of the towers built in the Detroit area since the 1960s would qualify. I'd be surprised if the Detroit area isn't in the top 3 nationally for count of towers thrown up in random ass places. But here are some examples:

Southfield apartment tower: https://goo.gl/maps/e7JvmGMgGuLF9iUJA

Southfield Town Center: https://goo.gl/maps/sz3UCPvo1s89Fztq5

A sore thumb graveyard in Southfield: https://goo.gl/maps/B7dnz2TtC7c869N47

Two thumbs up in Southfield: https://goo.gl/maps/TmMvNWRAAgu49s186

My favorite suburban Detroit sore thumb is more like a middle finger to urban development: https://goo.gl/maps/b2g2ix4Da7oeFZqE9

SIGSEGV Aug 4, 2020 12:33 AM

This is within Chicago city limits, but very isolated:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6937...7i16384!8i8192

And Wilson Hall must have been more impressive before the suburbs made it out to Fermilab:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8408...7i10240!8i5120

mhays Aug 4, 2020 1:54 AM

A highrise with surface parking. Jesus christ.

softee Aug 4, 2020 1:55 AM

Most suburban towers in Toronto are in large clusters, but these new towers in Vaughan do have a sore thumb quality for now, although many additional new towers are going up all around the area now, so the sore thumb effect will be short lived.

https://goo.gl/maps/5r6HKgdCGQ83PHwe9

BG918 Aug 4, 2020 2:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckeye Native 001 (Post 9000164)
Oral Roberts University near Tulsa, OK has one or two examples, iirc?

Now called Cityplex Towers the tallest is 648 ft tall. Oral Roberts University is in the foreground.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.town...ize=1200%2C935

https://tulsaworld.com/lifestyles/or...6132b34fb.html

From across the river you can also see the nearby 28 story River Spirit casino hotel tower
https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.town...ize=1200%2C800

https://tulsaworld.com/archive/flyin...886ab5d6c.html

Steely Dan Aug 4, 2020 2:16 AM

^ Excellent example of a "suburban sore thumb". :tup:

Orel Roberts University, including the cityplex towers, has some truly strange and magnificent architecture.

xzmattzx Aug 4, 2020 2:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iheartthed (Post 9000202)
The NY area has a couple that I know of, but not many. You can spot some from the NJ Turnpike, like here and here.

I've personally never seen those buildings as "sore thumbs". But maybe being used to using the NJ Turnpike, I never saw them as sticking out so much. I expect to see highrises here and there. These are not terribly tall, either. To me, in North Jersey, this building is more of a sore thumb.

I see those buildings you mentioned more as the natural product of "exit-oriented development", like transit-oriented development. Land next to an exit is going to have a high value, necessitating building upward. It reminds me of this development on the edge of Toronto.

Buckeye Native 001 Aug 4, 2020 2:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steely Dan (Post 9000298)
^ Excellent example of a "suburban sore thumb". :tup:

Orel Roberts University, including the cityplex towers, has some truly strange and magnificent architecture.

It all kind of looks like the Tomorrowland area of Disneyland to me. Like you said, strange, but fascinating even if I can't stand Roberts' beliefs.

craigs Aug 4, 2020 2:44 AM

For the Bay Area, two immediately come to mind:

In Emeryville, est. 2019 population 12,068, there's Pacific Park Plaza, a residential tower of 318 ft. and 30 stories that definitely sticks out like a sore thumb despite a smattering of mid-rises on the nearby bay shore:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tshore_Fwy.jpg
source: wikipedia

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...istie_Park.jpg
source: wikipedia

And in Campbell, est. 2019 population 41,793, there's the rather curiously-scaled Pruneyard towers, the tallest of which is 256 ft. tall with 18 stories. The tallest tower in Silicon Valley until 1996, it really stands out in such a suburban environment:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ard_towers.jpg
source: wikipedia

https://ssl.cdn-redfin.com/photo/8/m...63797_54_3.jpg
source

Shawn Aug 4, 2020 3:08 AM

This might not count (unless you stretch the definition of suburban Springfield to its max), but if we're doing Oral Roberts...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdoRFWtW...pg&name=medium
source

Not as tall, but seriously conspicuous out there in the middle of the Pioneer Valley, Umass Amherst's Du Bois Library always put a smile on my face. 300 feet, 30 stories tall. It was the world's tallest library when it was topped off in 1969. And back when I was there, the word was that Whitey Bulger was hiding out in the top 2 floors, which were mysteriously closed once his brother William Bulger became Umass' President.

LA21st Aug 4, 2020 3:18 AM

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2295...7i16384!8i8192


These two towers in Oxnard always seemed odd. One is 25 stories maybe?

Hudson11 Aug 4, 2020 3:18 AM

Blue Hill Plaza - Pearl River, NY.

https://42floors.com/images/H02c2e1d...98e7ad841250d7

https://42floors.com/us/ny/pearl-river/1-blue-hill-plz

Sheraton Hotel - Mahwah, NJ

https://live.staticflickr.com/3011/1...e6b0a3b5_b.jpg
Sheraton Mahwah Hotel by Martin Jones, on Flickr

plinko Aug 4, 2020 5:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LA21st (Post 9000332)
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2295...7i16384!8i8192
These two towers in Oxnard always seemed odd. One is 25 stories maybe?

The taller Morgan Stanley building in Oxnard is 300ft, 22 floors. The City National Bank Building is just over 200ft, 14 floors.

chris08876 Aug 4, 2020 5:38 AM

For NJ, 2 Tower Center Blvd in East Brunsiwck comes to mind.

Its right off Turnpike exit 9.

https://njbiz.com/files/2015/12/AR-151209815.jpg
Credit: https://njbiz.com/east-brunswicks-tw...-for-60m-plus/


Here's the streetview: https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en...px8wE3oECBMQBg

badrunner Aug 4, 2020 7:46 AM

Some of these SoCal Indian casinos look ridiculous out in the middle of nowhere:

https://goo.gl/maps/G69RJBW8Zs6W9iuP7
https://goo.gl/maps/t3TdeCgN96WtKMqZA ("tallest in Riverside county")
https://goo.gl/maps/4Bx6XLef57Ac8z2t7
https://goo.gl/maps/nfJC3iNjNEth8eHq8
https://goo.gl/maps/7sxWjbcDepzWYqeH9

BnaBreaker Aug 4, 2020 10:42 AM

Nashville's suburban office areas are generally midrise, but there is one building that, although it clocks in at just under 200 feet only, sticks out like a sore thumb as a result. This one does differ from most of these other examples because it's in the small but historic downtown Murfreesboro rather than an office park:

https://www.emporis.com/images/show/...ine-street.jpg

Crawford Aug 4, 2020 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iheartthed (Post 9000202)
Suburban Detroit is littered with them, so it would be a very time consuming to document them all. Most of the towers built in the Detroit area since the 1960s would qualify. I'd be surprised if the Detroit area isn't in the top 3 nationally for count of towers thrown up in random ass places. But here are some examples:

Right, most of Metro Detroit highrise development over the last 50 years would qualify. IMO the former American Motors World HQ in Southfield is the worst, but there are lots of examples. The Chrysler World HQ is also absurd, way out in Auburn Hills. And there's a random highrise condo tower in St. Clair Shores.

kool maudit Aug 4, 2020 11:52 AM

Copenhagen Carlsberg Tower:

https://goo.gl/maps/bicapguHRMRzDc3d9

https://www.shl.dk/wp-content/upload...1-1170x878.jpg

kool maudit Aug 4, 2020 11:54 AM

Gothenburg Karlatornet (u/c, tallest in the Nordics at 245m)

https://www.fastighetsvarlden.se/wp-...2740724857.jpg

The North One Aug 4, 2020 1:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iheartthed (Post 9000202)

Suburban Detroit is littered with them

Southfield and Troy both have clusters of office/residential towers so I don't feel like this is akin to the OP's example where he specifically excluded places like Shaumberg.

Crawford Aug 4, 2020 2:13 PM

True, Big Beaver Rd. in Troy is really a defined, linear office district. It even has some half-hearted urban gestures, like benches, and urban-style sidewalks. Functionally, it's total sprawl, but it isn't exactly towers in a cornfield.

And Southfield has its most impressive tower cluster in a very small geography, called Southfield Town Center. Not at all walkable, but most of the towers are connected. It's kind of a suburban version of the Renaissance Center.

TimCity2000 Aug 4, 2020 2:34 PM

The twin "towers" of Hoover's Riverchase Galleria (outside Birmingham, AL) immediately came to mind:

Google Streetview - Riverchase Galleria

iheartthed Aug 4, 2020 2:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9000499)
Right, most of Metro Detroit highrise development over the last 50 years would qualify. IMO the former American Motors World HQ in Southfield is the worst, but there are lots of examples. The Chrysler World HQ is also absurd, way out in Auburn Hills. And there's a random highrise condo tower in St. Clair Shores.

Yeah, the FCA HQ is probably the best example of a tower in a cornfield in all of Metro Detroit.

iheartthed Aug 4, 2020 2:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9000598)
True, Big Beaver Rd. in Troy is really a defined, linear office district. It even has some half-hearted urban gestures, like benches, and urban-style sidewalks. Functionally, it's total sprawl, but it isn't exactly towers in a cornfield.

And Southfield has its most impressive tower cluster in a very small geography, called Southfield Town Center. Not at all walkable, but most of the towers are connected. It's kind of a suburban version of the Renaissance Center.

It's not exactly towers in a cornfield, but they're still ridiculous since almost all of them are surrounded by surface parking. At least in car-centric high rise districts like Atlanta's Buckhead or Miami don't waste space by building a high rise in the middle of a gigantic parking lot.

kingkirbythe.... Aug 4, 2020 3:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kool maudit (Post 9000507)
Gothenburg Karlatornet (u/c, tallest in the Nordics at 245m)

https://www.fastighetsvarlden.se/wp-...2740724857.jpg

Wow! This is a spectacular tower.

sopas ej Aug 4, 2020 3:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LA21st (Post 9000332)
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2295...7i16384!8i8192


These two towers in Oxnard always seemed odd. One is 25 stories maybe?

They seemed even odder back in the late 1980s when I was going to school at UC Santa Barbara, when going up the 101, it looked like two office towers in the middle of strawberry fields. The effect has lessened somewhat, as generic-looking suburban development surrounds these towers now. There also seem to be more freeway overpasses in that area now than back in the late 1980s.

I remember at the time, a guy at UCSB (who was from Oxnard) telling me that they were the tallest buildings between Los Angeles and San Francisco. I wonder if that was true, and I wonder if it still is?

0214685226 Aug 4, 2020 3:40 PM

Mesa, AZ has one. It sits all by itself. Just north of the Superstition Freeway.
https://goo.gl/maps/8sBijJPx8eLRpTpM6
https://goo.gl/maps/8GkZtjyDmJTpysg16

It's in a regional mall/shopping district from the 1980s that has entering the redevelopment life cycle stage. Most of the stores have shuttered in the area. It's a nice looking building about 3 miles outside of Mesa's small downtown with rail connections and about 15-20 miles from Central Phoenix.

pj3000 Aug 4, 2020 4:36 PM

Martin Tower - HQ of Bethlehem Steel (demolished 2019)
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania
- at 332 ft. was tallest building in Pennsylvania outside of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh

https://www.chicagotribune.com/resiz...5LXZKRCWSA.jpg

https://www.truthdig.com/wp-content/...ehem_steel.jpg

dave8721 Aug 4, 2020 4:47 PM

The ~450 foot tall Seminole Hard Rock Casino Guitar Tower in suburban Hollywood, FL. Looks pretty out of place from the street (would probably look out of place anywhere): https://www.google.com/maps/@26.0466...7i16384!8i8192

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...76cf880e_b.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/yariks...to/49175845857

UrbanImpact Aug 4, 2020 4:50 PM

Hard Rock Hotel in Hollywood, FL. You can see the light beams for miles at night from this 450ft tall suburban hotel. This one sticks out like a sore guitar :cool:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/10...2001061240.jpg
https://assets.newatlas.com/dims4/de...ar-hotel-1.png

dave8721 Aug 4, 2020 4:55 PM

guess we were both thinking of it at the same time :haha:

SIGSEGV Aug 4, 2020 4:57 PM

^ Looks like they cheaped out on the neck!

Steely Dan Aug 4, 2020 5:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhays (Post 9000277)
A highrise with surface parking. Jesus christ.

I know, right?

It cuts against every notion of skyscrapers being "machines that make the land pay".

Like how did the pitch go down to the investors?

"Ok, so here's the plan, we're gonna buy 30 acres of land out in some random burb, and we'll take 1 acre of it and build an extremely expensive 400' office tower on it.

The other 29 acres? SURFACE PARKING!!!"

edale Aug 4, 2020 5:04 PM

Florida always manages to out Florida itself.

pj3000 Aug 4, 2020 5:10 PM

It's obviously totally ridiculous, but I kinda love that Hard Rock guitar hotel. It's very Vegas -- which Florida seems to want to be more and more each day.

I wanna go there and party with washed-up '80s hard rock superstars.

SkahHigh Aug 4, 2020 5:11 PM

This office building in the Montreal suburb of Vaudreuil is pretty much the definition of a sore thumb:

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.41287...7i16384!8i8192

Fun fact, it was ConSec's headquarters in the 1981 movie Scanners by David Cronenberg (great movie)

https://i.postimg.cc/gJHN6k4P/origin...s-building.png

Buckeye Native 001 Aug 4, 2020 6:13 PM

Would the Morongo Casino in Cabazon, CA count? Once you hit Indio on the westbound 10, you're basically driving through suburbia until the LA basin.

edale Aug 4, 2020 6:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckeye Native 001 (Post 9000866)
Would the Morongo Casino in Cabazon, CA count? Once you hit Indio on the westbound 10, you're basically driving through suburbia until the LA basin.

Yeah but it's still the only highrise around for quite a long time. It definitely stands out when you're driving to Palm Springs, and it, along with the giant windmills, are the indicators that I've entered the desert and officially left LA.

SIGSEGV Aug 4, 2020 6:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhays (Post 9000277)
A highrise with surface parking. Jesus christ.

The case of Wilson Hall at Fermilab at least kind of makes sense... that way everybody can be closer together for better collaboration/seminar culture without walking long distances. So in the case of the office building being all one company, I can seeit making sense.

edale Aug 4, 2020 6:35 PM

Out in the northeast exurbs of Cincinnati, there's a tower that was built as part of the Fujitec NA headquarters. It's basically a giant obelisk with a blue roof, and as a kid, I'd look for it as the sign that we were getting fairly close to home when traveling back from roadtrips. At the time at least, everything around it was forested, so you'd just see this lone blue obelisk sticking up through the trees on the side of the highway.

https://img.geocaching.com/waymarkin...d3eb93f5da.jpg

view from I-71:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3842...2!8i6656?hl=en

IrishIllini Aug 4, 2020 7:18 PM

Chicago is so centralized it doesn't make logistical sense to have buildings taller than 7-10 stories in most of the metro area.

cabasse Aug 4, 2020 7:35 PM

the unfinished majesty building in suburban orlando comes to mind. (altamonte springs)
https://i.imgur.com/eIfKWpRl.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majesty_Building

cabasse Aug 4, 2020 7:41 PM

for atl... definitely the abandoned presidential hotel along 85/285, recently used in zombieland 2.
https://i.imgur.com/fl2mUwil.png
https://sheednomics.blogspot.com/201...spaghetti.html

JManc Aug 4, 2020 7:49 PM

Turning Stone Casino Hotel in Verona NY (outside Utica NY) and tallest building between Buffalo and Albany

https://pacelink.com/wp-content/uplo...tro-image3.jpg

hauntedheadnc Aug 4, 2020 7:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by badrunner (Post 9000466)

Meanwhile in Cherokee, NC...

Harrah's Cherokee Casino

They have another one in Murphy, NC as well, but Murphy is a dark and primitive place where Google Streeview dares not venture.

homebucket Aug 4, 2020 8:07 PM

The Oracle HQ in Redwood City is pretty sore thumb-ish. More like sore hand? :haha:

https://media.glassdoor.com/l/5c/d6/9e/4c/oracle-hq.jpg

https://labs.oracle.com/pls/apex/lab...CampusPANO.jpg


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