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Matthew Nov 11, 2013 3:06 AM

Thank you for the posts on phone company buildings. I always find those extremely interesting. The design of many phone company buildings was selected to look futuristic; often in the latest styles of their time. There are conservatively designed exceptions, but many of them wanted to be seen as the future in their communities. I've seen small cities with many conservative Neoclassical or Beaux-Arts styled buildings (from banks or local governments wanting to show strength and stability) and an Art Deco phone company building, as the future of communications and technology.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6334255)
Merchants National Bank
2001 E. 7th Street
Los Angeles
interesting side door along Mateo Street
http://imageshack.us/a/img843/2456/g00z.jpg
detail

I love the detail in the grille work with MNB.

ethereal_reality Nov 11, 2013 3:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6329867)


You'll really like this one GW. The Occidental 'shuttle'.
http://imageshack.us/a/img6/9189/3iex.jpg
ebay


HossC, thanks so much for the vintage photos of the Merchants National Bank/Bank of America at 7th and Mateo.
It's great to see the building in it's prime.

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ethereal_reality Nov 11, 2013 4:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthew (Post 6334378)
I love the detail in the grille work with MNB.

Good eye Matthew! It took me awhile to figure out what you were talking about.
Sure enough, the bank's initials are included in the grille work. SO AWESOME!

Otis Criblecoblis Nov 11, 2013 8:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6333447)
I wasn't aware of this 48 year old LAX restaurant until the article in today's Los Angeles Times.
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-p...#axzz2kBkvYLsF

http://imageshack.us/a/img35/2224/shpg.jpg

If you're not a subscriber to the Times, go here...The Daily Breeze.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/general-n...plans-to-close

The Proud Bird is located at 11022 Aviation blvd.
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Thanks for the heads-up on this. The Proud Bird is where my Senior Prom was held several decades ago, and I'd hate to see it close out of pure, senseless bureaucratic fascism. But hey, welcome to the New Millenium. :hell:

Otis Criblecoblis Nov 11, 2013 8:48 AM

Thanks for the guidance
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/4339106...3093/lightbox/http://www.flickr.com/photos/4339106...3093/lightbox/
from Pasadena CHRID database
(My first time linking an image here; I hope it works)

This is our house, some years before we bought it 15+ years ago (it was in much worse shape by then). It's been on the CHRID database for decades longer than the date indicated. It was built in 1885. It's known as the Keil-Wilson house, after the lady who built it (Jennie Keil) and the family who lived in it from some time between 1900 and 1905 until they sold it to us over 90 years later.

We've completely restored it structurally now, and are in the (never-ending) process of restoring it cosmetically. We've been living in it for eight years now. We have received absolutely no help from any of the local Pasadena agencies and organizations except for the excellent Pasadena Heritage (who helped with professional references). No one was interested in helping us research the home's history, because to their knowledge no one they considered important was involved with the house's history. The limited resources available to us at the time did not give us any indication that they were wrong.

Then, I discovered this marvelous thread. All of you informed, committed, fantastic people taught me how and where to look for the kind of information I needed.

The result: I have found a historical connection for one of the home's residents that the local architectural cognoscenti will find relevant, and perhaps even important.

Put simply: the Wilson of the famous Batchelder-Wilson Company is the father of the Wilson we bought the house from. He lived here during his high school years (at least a few of them) and for several years thereafter. His mother lived here until she passed at the age of 106 in 1971. That explains why we found dozens and dozens of unglazed Batchelder tile clinkers used around the property for erosion control.

I have conclusive evidence of this, and will document it in due course, but for the time being, I just wanted to thank you all for your guidance. Without it, I likely would never have found it out.

[edit] Well, the link did not work per se, but at least you can click on it to see the picture. If one of you can smarten me up as to what I did wrong, I'd sure appreciate it.

HossC Nov 11, 2013 12:42 PM

:previous:

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Originally Posted by Otis Criblecoblis (Post 6334594)
[edit] Well, the link did not work per se, but at least you can click on it to see the picture. If one of you can smarten me up as to what I did wrong, I'd sure appreciate it.

Maybe someone who uses Flickr can help you with the best way to do it, but in the meantime, here's your image. I hope you're planning to post some up-to-date pictures too.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5519/1...415dd736_o.jpg

GaylordWilshire Nov 11, 2013 1:35 PM

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/9859/b2cm.jpgLAT Nov 2, 1924

HossC Nov 11, 2013 2:43 PM

:previous:

As far as I can tell (by which I mean that I've compared utility poles and trees), Brunger's Pharmacy once stood on the same corner as the Merchants' National Bank. The photo below is dated 3/26/17, and is described as "Distribution Lines - Joint-pole construction at 7th and Mateo Streets."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
Huntington Digital Library

Here's a slightly larger version of the center section.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original
Detail of photo above.

GaylordWilshire Nov 11, 2013 4:25 PM

:previous:


http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4928/6qt6.jpg


http://imageshack.us/a/img841/8171/7xzb.jpg


It seems clear that the drugstore and the bank occupied the same corner, though there are a few oddities...Carroll E Brunger's pharmacy is listed in 1912, 1914, and 1915 CDs as being at 2006 East 7th, which would put it on the other side of the street. And the appearance of the shoe shop that doesn't appear in the older view--its bay-windowed building and boot-shaped sign--seem antiquated to have been post-1917 additions...but apparently they were.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r...2520AM.bmp.jpg
West on 7th toward a gasometer and the Walnut Growers' building...

Vintage NLA: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13090


HDL/USCDL

Retired_in_Texas Nov 11, 2013 5:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6334788)
:previous:


http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4928/6qt6.jpg


http://imageshack.us/a/img841/8171/7xzb.jpg


It seems clear that the drugstore and the bank occupied the same corner, though there are a few oddities...Carroll E Brunger's pharmacy is listed in 1912, 1914, and 1915 CDs as being at 2006 East 7th, which would put it on the other side of the street. And the appearance of the shoe shop that doesn't appear in the older view--its bay-windowed building and boot-shaped sign--seem antiquated to have been post-1917 additions...but apparently they were.


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r...2520AM.bmp.jpg
West on 7th toward a gasometer and the Walnut Growers' building...

Vintage NLA: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13090


HDL/USCDL


I is most probable the locations are indeed not the same given location of fire hydrants and the variations in the power poles. there are other differences that would suggest the locations while similar are not the same.

GaylordWilshire Nov 11, 2013 6:44 PM

:previous:

Actually, Retired, I'd be very surprised if the pharmacy and the bank didn't both occupy the northeast corner of 7th and Mateo. Utilities were and are constantly changing--streetcar routes altered--so changes in the poles and wires aren't really surprising. Even water lines could change, so it doesn't bother me that a hydrant--if that is indeed a hydrant--seems to be missing in the later views. (Perhaps the less-flammable bank building was sprinklered.) Even today, there appears to be only one hydrant at the intersection (sw corner).

It might be that Brunger was at 2006 E 7th until 1916 or so, then moved across the street to 2001 into the building formerly occupied by the Evans Drug Co in 1909 (and afterward by a couple of restaurants, according to CDs)...and then the picture was taken in 1917.


Here's a shot of 2001 East 7th in its original Merchants National Bank guise:

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/4153/ruu2.jpgLAPL

H.L.P Nov 11, 2013 7:51 PM

Hello to all,
I just bought a new camera a few days ago and a friend and I were driving
around Downtown so I snapped a few photos. let me know what you think

These first three feel a bit noirish to me.
http://imageshack.com/a/img21/4439/czvm.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img594/3483/zt0r.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img585/9130/lgb3.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img853/9356/30p9.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img823/8343/e7pb.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img856/223/vkfk.jpg
all photos by me.

as soon as my schedule clears up I plan on going around the neighborhoods i grew up in, Highland Park and Lincoln Heights, to take pics of all the old remaining structures and victorian houses.

AlvaroLegido Nov 11, 2013 8:01 PM

Mislabeled ?
 
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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6334270)

-another lone sailor/Sunset & Main.
http://imageshack.us/a/img849/5389/xxl4.jpg
old cd of mine
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I guess it is Marchessault and Los Angeles.

ethereal_reality Nov 11, 2013 8:44 PM

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Originally Posted by H.L.P (Post 6335059)
Hello to all,
I just bought a new camera a few days ago and a friend and I were driving
around Downtown so I snapped a few photos. let me know what you think

Thanks for sharing your photographs HLP. I especially like this one.
http://imageshack.us/a/img703/7043/lb3w.jpg
H.L.P.

ethereal_reality Nov 11, 2013 9:24 PM

http://imageshack.us/a/img189/99/n5h5.jpg
ebay


Her early days in Hollywood
http://imageshack.us/a/img5/5065/9ze4.jpg
www.silentsareplatinum.com




http://imageshack.us/a/img33/8910/bgub.jpg


1941
http://imageshack.us/a/img842/487/1ukn.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img854/6510/nxxd.jpgebay



-sharing a laugh with Mary Astor
http://imageshack.us/a/img854/7860/5i96.jpg
http://www.findadeath.com/forum/show...-Clayton-Moore


http://imageshack.us/a/img822/1589/k6dp.jpg
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posted earlier by GW -used in Kenneth Anger's Hollywood Babylon
http://imageshack.us/a/img35/3866/tfpi.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2039

When I first read Mr. Anger's book in high school I thought Lupe was with Johnny Weismuller in this shot, when in the fact the man is Clayton Moore. I wasn't very observant, The Lone Ranger (Mr. Moore) is much hairier than Tarzan.

Those Who Squirm! Nov 11, 2013 9:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6334328)
[IMG]

Couldn't find much, but it looks like the Grattan Gables was next to an apartment building seen recently:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17214

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L...anpegcompl.jpgLAT Oct 26, 1924

I can't be sure, but in the Peg O Los Angeles drawing, at the upper left, it looks like I'm seeing the same archway between the two wings of the current apartment building. Also, the depiction looks more like a typical hotel than the old watercolor. Could the apartments at 1500 have been part of the hotel at one time?

GaylordWilshire Nov 11, 2013 10:10 PM

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b...1238pixels.jpg
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-5...2520PM.bmp.jpg

2055 East 7th, across from the Ford assembly plant...


USCDL

GaylordWilshire Nov 11, 2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6334328)
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L...anpegcompl.jpgLAT Oct 26, 1924


Couldn't find much, but it looks like the Grattan Gables was next to an apartment building seen recently:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=17214


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Originally Posted by Those Who Squirm (Post 6335174)
I can't be sure, but in the Peg O Los Angeles drawing, at the upper left, it looks like I'm seeing the same archway between the two wings of the current apartment building. Also, the depiction looks more like a typical hotel than the old watercolor. Could the apartments at 1500 have been part of the hotel at one time?

I can see how you might have gotten the idea that the Grattan Gables Inn was being depicted, but the "Peg O' Los Angeles" column was a long-running feature in the Times--at least from 1917 to 1962. The illustration changed fairly often, at least until 1948, when it stayed the same all the way to '62. Here are a few samples... (as I do this, I'm thinking, this is really more ladylike than noir, but anyway, it's L.A....)


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-s...2520PM.bmp.jpg LAT Dec 9, 1917

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H...2520PM.bmp.jpg LAT July 5, 1925

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-D...747%2520PM.jpg LAT July 25, 1927

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...2520PM.bmp.jpg LAT Nov 1, 1928

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-p...2520PM.bmp.jpg LAT Dec 19, 1934

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-C...2520PM.bmp.jpg LAT June 23, 1940

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-w...2520PM.bmp.jpg LAT Oct 19, 1947


It was the same from January 1948 to February 1962, when the column seems to have run out of ethyl...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-W...2520PM.bmp.jpg


All LAT

ethereal_reality Nov 11, 2013 10:34 PM

:previous: Interesting before/after GW.

I'd love to break into 50 and see what's left of that pool hall.
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ethereal_reality Nov 11, 2013 11:27 PM

recently found on ebay
http://imageshack.us/a/img811/2360/wn1a.jpg


Using the Arwyn Apartments as a guide, I was hoping to locate the art deco building with the American Cancer Society sign.
Alas, unless I have the wrong street, it and the Frank's bakery/restaurant to it's right is gone. (the 76 gas station survives)

http://imageshack.us/a/img30/539/ro89.jpg
GSV
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