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JDRCRASH Mar 1, 2011 5:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5180931)
Give me the Roosevelt, or the Biltmore, or the Pantages, or Grauman's, or the Shrine... not this.

Because of the billboards? NY has theaters covered with them.

mdiederi Mar 1, 2011 7:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5180931)
Give me the Roosevelt, or the Biltmore, or the Pantages, or Grauman's, or the Shrine... not this.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...25649%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View

What you're showing there is a shopping mall, the front of the Kodak Theater is just barely visible at the very far left edge of the photo.

JeffDiego Mar 1, 2011 8:09 AM

Matchbook Covers
 
Loved the matchbook covers and noticed that "Patman's Drive-In" looked very much like a model for Mildred Pierce's place.

GaylordWilshire Mar 1, 2011 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDRCRASH (Post 5182648)
Because of the billboards? NY has theaters covered with them.

Exactly. Yes, I'm familiar with Times Square. All I can say is... I don't come to "Noirish Los Angeles" looking for ersatz versions of it... what's anybody doing here except lamenting the loss of the Hollywood Hotel etc etc etc?

GaylordWilshire Mar 1, 2011 4:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5182493)
R.I.P. Jane Russell

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/6...neoutlawth.jpg
Howard Hughes Productions


ethereal-- can't top that picture, but here are a few more:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00083/00083250.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00083/00083250.jpg
Down in San Pedro, 1942


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics43/00041035.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics43/00041035.jpg
1952


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...101-001~1?v=hr
USCDL http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...101-001~1?v=hr
1954


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00082/00082751.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00082/00082751.jpg
Odd couple? With the Hostess with the Mostess, Perle Mesta, at the
Beverly Hilton, 1957. (Turns out that they were both adoption advocates.)


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00082/00082756.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00082/00082756.jpg
With her brother Jamie, a film editor, 1960


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071956.jpgLAPL http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071956.jpg
With first husband, football player Bob Waterfield (UCLA and the Rams), 1963

gsjansen Mar 1, 2011 5:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5182043)
Before the Wilshire Grand, the Statler-Hilton, the Statler, before Hoffman Studebaker... I've discovered that there was Harold Arnold. Mr. Arnold built the Arnold Building at Figueroa and 7th, selling Hudson and the Hudson's cheaper companion, the Essex, as well as, at some point, Lincoln. Paul Hoffman later took the building over to sell Studes....

The Arnold Building, ca. 1922
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067437.jpgLAPL http://http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067437.jpg


As Hoffman Studebaker, now much be-signed, a picture we've seen before
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013931.jpg

According to the LAPL, whose photo captions I try not to let test my patience, the Arnold/Hoffman building "served
as the framework for the Statler Hotel in 1951." Surely they don't mean literally.... I'm sure we've seen this lot in prior
pics here cleared of all traces of the car dealership....

it sure looks like they're demo-'ing the whole car joint in this photo

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...G-STA-002?v=hr

how'd they display the cars in the showroom with all those dayum columns in the way anyhow?!!??

gsjansen Mar 1, 2011 6:17 PM

├ęsta es la ciudad Nueva York. cuando las cosas salen de la mano, voy a trabajar. llevo una divisa

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5219/...d47125f0_o.jpg
Source: Dr Marco movie star pages

i've heard of something getting lost in the translation, but dragnet in nyc???!!?? sacrilegious!

malumot Mar 1, 2011 6:38 PM

The Kodak
 
But I think that's the point in a nutshell....

".....barely visible....."

The Biltmore, Roosevelt, Shrine, et. al. are landmarks.

The Kodak is wedged, mid-block, into a shopping mall. Which is itself indistinguishable from, say, Universal Citywalk - as if a chunk of it broke off, rolled down Cahuenga Pass and came to a stop at the corner of Hollywood & Highland.

http://themerica.org/blog/wp-content...niversal70.jpg





Quote:

Originally Posted by mdiederi (Post 5182728)
What you're showing there is a shopping mall, the front of the Kodak Theater is just barely visible at the very far left edge of the photo.


gsjansen Mar 1, 2011 7:00 PM

a 1905 image of angels flight when it was closed to reconstruct the tracks so that became elevated above clay street.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008539.jpg
Source: LAPL

on the right the McCoy house is still located on the North West corner of Hill and third, prior to being relocated up the hill to the North West corner of Clay and 3rd

gsjansen Mar 1, 2011 7:18 PM

1928 image looking north west from the First National Bank building tower on the northeast corner of Highland Avenue and Hollywood Blvd. if you look to the left of center, you can see the outpost sign

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071625.jpg
Source: LAPL

the lower left of the photograph is where the hollywood highland center is today, the Kodak theater will be at the far left of the photograph

in this 1905 photo looking south east from Franklin Avenue near Orange Drive, the 1st phase of the Hollywood Hotel is on the far left of center. Hollywood High school is the white building above center. Grauman's Chines Theater will be located where the white house is just right of center.

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071605.jpg
Source: LAPL

The same view taken in the early 20's before the Chinese Theater was constructed

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics39/00039315.jpg

Source: LAPL

in this 1908 view looking north from Hollywood High School at the Hollywood Hotel, the west wing has been completed. Today, (if this view was possible), this would be looking directly at the Hollywood Highland Center complex. The Kodak Theater will be where the tower on the left is located

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011997.jpg
Source: LAPL

GaylordWilshire Mar 1, 2011 9:00 PM

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...L-MIS-008?v=hr USCDL (and gsjansen:D)

Call me reactionary if you want, but even this, which we might be able to enjoy for some Mid-Century appeal, would be preferable to the junkheap
currently on the NW corner of Hollywood and Highland. While I can't find any comprehensive shots of what was actually in place after the old
Hollywood Hotel, I'm not so sure that whatever was there might not have been preferable to the junkheap. Can anyone find shots of the corner
after Mira Hershey's legacy buildings were demolished?



http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012574.jpg LAPL
1940


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012579.jpgLAPL
1947


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics50/00044828.jpgLAPL
A great night shot, with a '56 Oldsmobile in front.


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00012000.jpgLAPL



Quote:

Originally Posted by malumot (Post 5183125)
But I think that's the point in a nutshell....

".....barely visible....."

The Biltmore, Roosevelt, Shrine, et. al. are landmarks.

The Kodak is wedged, mid-block, into a shopping mall. Which is itself indistinguishable from, say, Universal Citywalk - as if a chunk of it broke off, rolled down Cahuenga Pass and came to a stop at the corner of Hollywood & Highland.


Thanks, malumot: You've stated it much more clearly than apparently I was able to.... It does indeed look as though a piece of something rolled down through the Pass and settled as an irreparable pile of junk on Hollywood Boulevard.... To quote Gebhard and Winter: "The tedium is relieved only by...details from D.W. Griffith's famous set for Intolerance splashed around. Unfortunately some rearing elephants and an Assyrian gate do not raise the building out of the cheap and tawdry." 'Nuff said.

GaylordWilshire Mar 1, 2011 10:42 PM

H O L L Y W O O D in dots and dashes
 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_i90_v6awmP...od_CA_1971.jpg vintagechromes.blogspot.com


http://roseandchang.com/hot/23.jpg roseandchang.com


http://theexcellentpeople.files.word...pg?w=640&h=429 Julius Shulman http://artsmeme.com


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics50/00059891.jpg LAPL
With DeMille's barn, 1980


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics20/00029570.jpg LAPL


I once read that the beacon atop the Capitol Records Building blinked Morse Code for H O L L Y W O O D all night long....

JeffDiego Mar 2, 2011 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5183356)
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...L-MIS-008?v=hr USCDL (and gsjansen:D)

Call me reactionary if you want, but even this, which we might be able to enjoy for some Mid-Century appeal, would be preferable to the junkheap
currently on the NW corner of Hollywood and Highland. While I can't find any comprehensive shots of what was actually in place after the old
Hollywood Hotel, I'm not so sure that whatever was there might not have been preferable to the junkheap. Can anyone find shots of the corner
after Mira Hershey's legacy buildings were demolished?
Gaylord: I'm looking forward to any photos at what was at the NW corner of Highland and Hollywood. I lived in LA in the 70's, and my memory is that there was an ugly eyesore of a 60's high-rise bank bldg. there. Not too dissimilar to the one in the architect's drawing of a proposed new "Hollywood Hotel" you show. That tacky bank bldg. was even worse than the present-day "complex."
I went into the bank bldg. once because it was where Homer Tobermann (spelling?), early Hollywood developer, kept his huge file of old Hollywood photographs, and I got to look through the file.
Oh, the original Hollywood Hotel - such an old, and a bit shabby, beauty. Another priceless historical treasure, Gone with the wind.




http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012574.jpg LAPL
1940


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012579.jpgLAPL
1947


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics50/00044828.jpgLAPL
A great night shot, with a '56 Oldsmobile in front.


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00012000.jpgLAPL






Thanks, malumot: You've stated it much more clearly than apparently I was able to.... It does indeed look as though a piece of something rolled down through the Pass and settled as an irreparable pile of junk on Hollywood Boulevard.... To quote Gebhard and Winter: "The tedium is relieved only by...details from D.W. Griffith's famous set for Intolerance splashed around. Unfortunately some rearing elephants and an Assyrian gate do not raise the building out of the cheap and tawdry." 'Nuff said.

Gaylord: I'm looking forward to any photos at what was at the NW corner of Highland and Hollywood. I lived in LA in the 70's, and my memory is that there was an ugly eyesore of a 60's high-rise bank bldg. there. Not too dissimilar to the one in the architect's drawing of a proposed new "Hollywood Hotel" you show. That tacky bank bldg. was even worse than the present-day "complex."
I went into the bank bldg. once because it was where Homer Tobermann (spelling?), early Hollywood developer, kept his huge file of old Hollywood photographs, and I got to look through the file.
Oh, the original Hollywood Hotel - such an old, and a bit shabby, beauty. Another priceless historical treasure, Gone with the wind.

GaylordWilshire Mar 2, 2011 2:28 AM

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...40-3-ISLA?v=hr
USCDL

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...rd00712_fr.jpg
cardcow.com


Jeff: Was this the bank? I dunno... I'm kind of liking it.


Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 5183633)
Gaylord: I'm looking forward to any photos at what was at the NW corner of Highland and Hollywood. I lived in LA in the 70's, and my memory is that there was an ugly eyesore of a 60's high-rise bank bldg. there. Not too dissimilar to the one in the architect's drawing of a proposed new "Hollywood Hotel" you show. That tacky bank bldg. was even worse than the present-day "complex."
I went into the bank bldg. once because it was where Homer Tobermann (spelling?), early Hollywood developer, kept his huge file of old Hollywood photographs, and I got to look through the file.
Oh, the original Hollywood Hotel - such an old, and a bit shabby, beauty. Another priceless historical treasure, Gone with the wind.


sopas ej Mar 2, 2011 2:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5180931)
Give me the Roosevelt, or the Biltmore, or the Pantages, or Grauman's, or the Shrine... not this.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...25649%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View

Amen to that. 10 years ago when news came out that the Oscar ceremony would have a "permanent" home (in reality a 20 year lease) at a theater built specifically for holding the Academy Awards, I assumed it would be a huge theater to accommodate all Academy members. But the Kodak Theatre actually seats only a few hundred more people than the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion, a venue that has actually hosted the most Academy Awards ceremonies to date. It made more sense to hold them at the Shrine Auditorium, being that that place seats about 6,200 people or something, and Academy membership is about 6,000. The Shrine is a very elegant place, too, and old/historic, though in a not so elegant neighborhood. IMO the least elegant theater the Oscars were held at has to be the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium; though a great example of "Atomic Age" mid-20th Century architecture, the theater space is very plain and utilitarian, being that it was designed as a multi-purpose center.

Speaking of Grauman's and Jane Russell:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5...lynandjane.jpg
Life

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdiederi (Post 5182728)
What you're showing there is a shopping mall, the front of the Kodak Theater is just barely visible at the very far left edge of the photo.

And actually, the physical theater itself is way inside the block, being that what fronts the sidewalk is a square arch which leads to shops and the staircase that leads up to the actual theater.

Somewhat fitting for today's Hollywood "celebs," holding the Oscars at a shopping mall.

sopas ej Mar 2, 2011 2:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 5183633)
Gaylord: I'm looking forward to any photos at what was at the NW corner of Highland and Hollywood. I lived in LA in the 70's, and my memory is that there was an ugly eyesore of a 60's high-rise bank bldg. there. Not too dissimilar to the one in the architect's drawing of a proposed new "Hollywood Hotel" you show. That tacky bank bldg. was even worse than the present-day "complex."
I went into the bank bldg. once because it was where Homer Tobermann (spelling?), early Hollywood developer, kept his huge file of old Hollywood photographs, and I got to look through the file.
Oh, the original Hollywood Hotel - such an old, and a bit shabby, beauty. Another priceless historical treasure, Gone with the wind.

I thought that bank building was an eyesore too. I was glad to see it demolished in the late 1990s, in conjunction with the construction of the Red Line subway extension. By then the building was totally run down and had a rusty, water-stained look to it. In the mid-90s, the ground floor had a cheap sporting goods store, I don't remember the name of it; in my days as a TV production assistant back in the mid-90s, I went there with another PA to look for props.

Beaudry Mar 2, 2011 4:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 5183633)
Gaylord: I'm looking forward to any photos at what was at the NW corner of Highland and Hollywood. I lived in LA in the 70's, and my memory is that there was an ugly eyesore of a 60's high-rise bank bldg. there. Not too dissimilar to the one in the architect's drawing of a proposed new "Hollywood Hotel" you show. That tacky bank bldg. was even worse than the present-day "complex."
I went into the bank bldg. once because it was where Homer Tobermann (spelling?), early Hollywood developer, kept his huge file of old Hollywood photographs, and I got to look through the file.
Oh, the original Hollywood Hotel - such an old, and a bit shabby, beauty. Another priceless historical treasure, Gone with the wind.

Here's another 'un --

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/...b3688dbf_o.jpg

sopas ej Mar 2, 2011 5:00 AM

:previous:
Wow, what a beaut! And look what's playing at the Chinese, "The World of Suzie Wong," with Nancy Kwan and Bill Holden.

Is Nancy Kwan the actress who "enjoys being a girl"?

Beaudry Mar 2, 2011 5:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5183736)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5177/...e460e44e_o.jpg

You know what? I'm digging it too. This is C E Toberman's last Hollywood subdivision. The cornerstone was laid Jan 57 and it opens on Toberman's birthday (Feb 23) in 1959. The architects -- Austin Field and Fry http://www.you-are-here.com/modern/cincinnati.html -- used, for the first time anywhere in a structure of this height, lightweight concrete precast panels. The building also used lots of glass mosaic tile from Italy. It was in front of First Federal Loan, during its construction, in 1958, that the first eight stars of the Walk of Fame were placed.

JeffDiego Mar 2, 2011 5:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5183736)

Gaylord and Beaudry: We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Ha! To me, the bldg. is a monstrosity. It's interesting that it went up as Hollywood Blvd. and surrounding area were going into seedy decline. There were probably many who thought that modernization with bldgs. like this were the answer to Hollywood's problems. Same time that Bunker Hill was being bulldozed.
The photos though, as usual, are excellent. Thanks.
I believe that C.E. Toberman was the founder of First Federal savings.
This "headquarters" bldg. is a perfect example (again. my opinion) of the typical developer's attitude at its height in the 50's through the 70's: "If it's old, it's unwanted junk and get rid of it, if it's new, modern and "up to date" it's great."
Wonder if anyone has a photo of an interesting bldg. I remember near Grauman's Chinese. It was a "1920's Oriental" style apartment bldg. called the "Nirvana," and may still be there. It was on Orchid Avenue, I believe, north of Hollywood Blvd. near Franklin, and had supposedly been financed by silent screen actress Anna Mae Wong. Also nearby was (is?) the wonderful Mission Revival house that became the Cinemotographer's bldg.

Beaudry Mar 2, 2011 6:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 5183956)
Gaylord and Beaudry: We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Ha! To me, the bldg. is a monstrosity. It's interesting that it went up as Hollywood Blvd. and surrounding area were going into seedy decline. There were probably many who thought that modernization with bldgs. like this were the answer to Hollywood's problems. Same time that Bunker Hill was being bulldozed.
The photos though, as usual, are excellent. Thanks.
I believe that C.E. Toberman was the founder of First Federal savings.
This "headquarters" bldg. is a perfect example (again. my opinion) of the typical developer's attitude at its height in the 50's through the 70's: "If it's old, it's unwanted junk and get rid of it, if it's new, modern and "up to date" it's great."
Wonder if anyone has a photo of an interesting bldg. I remember near Grauman's Chinese. It was a "1920's Oriental" style apartment bldg. called the "Nirvana," and may still be there. It was on Orchid Avenue, I believe, north of Hollywood Blvd. near Franklin, and had supposedly been financed by silent screen actress Anna Mae Wong. Also nearby was (is?) the wonderful Mission Revival house that became the Cinemotographer's bldg.

...you have to admit the different colored panels on the FFS&L are...something...

Nirvana!

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5178/...f22fa7ec_b.jpg

1925 by architect E.M. Erdaly | 1775 N. Orange Drive
http://www.you-are-here.com/hollywood/nirvana.html

Great shots here http://www.justabovesunset.com/20090...d_nirvana.html and a note about its recent restoration here http://la.curbed.com/archives/2007/0...ng_nirvana.php

Here's the 1903 Mission Revival house that the ASC moved into in 1936 -- still there, too, doin' fine, getting a bit hemmed in, but taken care of...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/...54cec553_o.jpg

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2008/05/curbedwire_21.php

Beaudry Mar 2, 2011 6:35 AM

I will say this

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5013/...e8df4ba9_o.jpgmine

...sure changed the streetscape.

GaylordWilshire Mar 2, 2011 2:31 PM

Cadillac in Distress Under the Palms
 
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...542-025~1?v=hrLAPL

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...542-025~3?v=hrLAPL
Actor Donald Crisp drove his Cadillac up the steps of St. Thomas Episcopal Church on the NW corner of Hollywood Boulevard and Gardner on March 21,
1952. The Reverend George W. Barnes is surveying the scene with Crisp above. The right side of the car is pretty banged up--wonder what else
he hit?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ry_trailer.jpg IMDB


Before he turned to acting, Crisp (born in London, 1882; died 1974) was a producer, director and screenwriter. He won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor in 1942 for How Green Was My Valley and had an incredibly long career, beginning in silents--sometimes with Buster Keaton. He was in dozens of movies, including Red Dust ('32), Mutiny on the Bounty ('35), Wuthering Heights, The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex and Juarez (all '39--whatta year!), How Green Was My Valley ('41), National Velvet ('44), and Pollyanna ('60). He also apparently made wise real estate investments.


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_z...sp%20hgwmv.jpg IMDB
With Sara Allgood and Maureen O'Hara in How Green Was My Valley

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_z...toscar1942.jpg IMDB
Winning the Oscar, 1942. Perhaps Gary was strolling down Franklin at the time of the
Caddy crack-up....


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_z...94158%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View

Wenders Mar 2, 2011 3:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5182441)
I agree with you about the matchbooks Beaudry.

They are extremely 'noirish'. More times than not they were used to pass a clandestine phone number to a possible paramour.
The graphics are intriguingly beautiful. I have some fine examples that I will try to post later.

__________________

Welcome to the thread Wenders.
It's very interesting to hear from someone who has spent some time in the 'Frolic Room'.
Do you have any photographs from your time in the area?

____________________

I love that 'Hotel La Jolla' sign shaped like a palm tree.
The hotel 'reviews' sound like they were written by the owners to drum up business.




Thanks, Ethereal R.

I went thru my photographs, unfortunately they're practically all close-ups of friends and other people, not showing buildings or any background details that could be interesting. They could be shot anywhere.

However, to me at least, aside from Kodak Theatre/Hollywood Blvd/ Highland Ave complex, and W Hotel -block across the Frolic Room, the neighborhood looks quite same as 20 years ago. Sure, the storefronts are prettied up, there's more tourists activity, and the shabby, good ol' Hollywood is gone, but structure -wise not much have changed.

-Regarding Nirvana Apt. post: Very familar building to me, my girlfriend lived next door, I passed the building often when walking from/to my own apartment, which was on Lanewood Ave, the short, pine tree -lined street between Sunset and Hollywood Blvd. The street and my building appears in last scene of "Francis Farmer" movie (with Jessica Lange. You can see also Hollywood High School's westside wall in the same scene.)

gsjansen Mar 2, 2011 6:00 PM

get ready for sum' more right scrollin' fun!

1921 Baist's real estate survey atlas of downtown los angeles bounded by 7th on the South, Wall on the East, 2nd on the North and just west of hill on the west

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5015/...b17577d0_o.jpg
Source: LAPL Visual Collection


1940 sightseeing map of Los Angeles and Hollywood

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5298/...115ff568_o.jpg
Source: LAPL Visual Collection

gsjansen Mar 2, 2011 8:10 PM

Andy961 at flicker posted some images that he had taken back in 1962 during the construction of the i-10 santa monica freeway.

he graciously gave me permission to post them here.

our good friend the young apartments

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/...6c767bd6_b.jpg
Source: Andy961 flicker photostream

the olympic auditorium

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5131/...e0c8239f_b.jpg
Source: Andy961 flicker photostream

Construction of 1-10 freeway bridge over hill street

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5252/...6481103d_b.jpg
Source: Andy961 flicker photostream

jg6544 Mar 2, 2011 11:21 PM

The 1940 map is fascinating. I wonder how many of those houses are still around.

malumot Mar 3, 2011 1:13 AM

The 1921 Baist survey map ----

One thing that strikes me about that map is the fact that ALL THAT WORK WAS DONE BY HAND! They developed lettering stencils and a lot of other cartographic stuff later on. But in 1921 it was basically a T-square, some fountain pens and well-honed printing skills.

Well done, men. :cheers:

sopas ej Mar 3, 2011 1:25 AM

gsjansen, those maps are indeed amazing. And I really like those photos of the Santa Monica Freeway construction and the Young Apartments. That freeway is such a major traffic artery today, it's almost surreal to see pics of it under construction. Makes me wonder how much of a traffic relief it was when it first opened, and how soon after it became traffic-clogged.

westcork Mar 3, 2011 1:30 AM

What a contrast that First Federal building is compared to the Security First National building
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...12CA8FD86?v=hr
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...=1299115661555

JDRCRASH Mar 3, 2011 1:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5182799)
Exactly. Yes, I'm familiar with Times Square. All I can say is... I don't come to "Noirish Los Angeles" looking for ersatz versions of it... what's anybody doing here except lamenting the loss of the Hollywood Hotel etc etc etc?


Well, I mentioned it because billboards have a VERY long history in Los Angeles, perhaps almost as long as Times Square. Somewhere earlier in this thread is a photo from the 1920's of the historic core with billboards.

GaylordWilshire Mar 3, 2011 2:10 AM

Bunker Hill as Phoenix
 
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_z...62928%20PM.jpgTwentieth Century-Fox


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...65441%20PM.jpgTwentieth Century-Fox
I'm a few minutes into 1956's Bus Stop the other day, with Don Murray and Arthur O'Connell having just
gotten off the bus in Phoenix. Phoenix? The prop signs didn't fool me. I knew I was looking at The Nugent/
New Grand at 3rd and Grand on Bunker Hill.



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2468/...a437cb03_o.gifIndiana University Archives http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/index.jsp
The Nugent/later New Grand Hotel, 3rd and Grand, 1952



https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...63005%20PM.jpgTwentieth Century-Fox
Detail of the Lovejoy, across Grand



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_z...70158%20PM.jpgTwentieth Century-Fox
Don Murray chases Marilyn on Bunker Hill Avenue. Here he is in front of the Brousseau Mansion at 238
S. Bunker Hill. (A refresher course on that house here: http://www.onbunkerhill.org/brousseau_mansion)


http://helios.library.ca.gov/soca/hylen/2001-0756.jpgCSL

JDRCRASH Mar 3, 2011 2:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jg6544 (Post 5184898)
The 1940 map is fascinating. I wonder how many of those houses are still around.

Probably extremely few, if any.

ethereal_reality Mar 3, 2011 2:46 AM

^^^ What a great discovery GaylordWilshire!
I've watched 'Bus Stop' numerous times in my life and it never occurred to me to question the background.
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I love those 1962 Santa Monica Freeway construction photos gsjansen.
The 1921 real estate survey map is amazing as well, and as Malumot pointed out....it was all hand drawn.

ethereal_reality Mar 3, 2011 3:07 AM

Here is a rare photograph of the opening of the Boyle Heights Cable Railway.


http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/8...tscablewor.jpg
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I have no other details. Does anyone know what year this might have been?

ethereal_reality Mar 3, 2011 3:39 AM

The Grosse Building in 1908. 6th and Spring Street.

http://img576.imageshack.us/img576/6...uilding190.jpg
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below: The Wilcox Building at Spring & Second, 1905.


http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/9...1905spring.jpg
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below: The Western Pacific Building at Broadway & Olympic.


http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/1...ificbldgat.jpg
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ethereal_reality Mar 3, 2011 4:00 AM

The Los Angeles First National Trust & Savings Bank. This is an extremely interesting building. (no location given)

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/8...ionaltrust.jpg
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below: The First Western Bank Building.


http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2...ternbanknd.jpg
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Can anyone help me out with the locations of these two fine building?
They look as if they could be by the same architect.

sopas ej Mar 3, 2011 4:29 AM

:previous:
Pasadena.

The first one, however, no longer exists, demolished decades ago; it used to stand on the southeast corner of Lake Ave. and Colorado Blvd. The other building still pretty much looks the same, minus the Western Bank blade sign. I used to work near that building.

Here's a picture I took of it in Novermber of 2009:
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/66/p1070276n.jpg

JeffDiego Mar 3, 2011 4:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 5183987)
...you have to admit the different colored panels on the FFS&L are...something...

Nirvana!

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5178/...f22fa7ec_b.jpg

1925 by architect E.M. Erdaly | 1775 N. Orange Drive
http://www.you-are-here.com/hollywood/nirvana.html

Great shots here http://www.justabovesunset.com/20090...d_nirvana.html and a note about its recent restoration here http://la.curbed.com/archives/2007/0...ng_nirvana.php

Here's the 1903 Mission Revival house that the ASC moved into in 1936 -- still there, too, doin' fine, getting a bit hemmed in, but taken care of...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/...54cec553_o.jpg

http://la.curbed.com/archives/2008/05/curbedwire_21.php

Beaudry: The Nirvana! Also the wonderful Cinematographer's bldg. Excellent photos. Thanks! ASC has been there since 1936. Wow.
Haven't been along the side streets of Hollywood in many a year. I got Orchid Ave. mixed up with Orange Ave. Correction appreciated.

sopas ej Mar 3, 2011 4:52 AM

Here's another view of the building, looking at it from a block east on Colorado Boulevard, then and now.

1936
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/7...doblvd1936.jpg
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November 2009
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/695/p1070273f.jpg
Photo by me

ethereal_reality Mar 3, 2011 5:21 AM

Thanks for the info on the First Western Bank Building sopas_ej. Your before/after photo is perfect!!

What is that odd thing on top?

sopas ej Mar 3, 2011 5:33 AM

:previous:

In architectural terms I think it's called a lantern. And fittingly so; at night, there's actually a bright light that comes on, kind of like a beacon, but it's just a steady light, it doesn't rotate or anything.

ethereal_reality Mar 3, 2011 5:49 AM

Thanks sopas_ej. I was going to guess it was a lantern.

So it still lights up after all these years? That's great.

GaylordWilshire Mar 3, 2011 2:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5185249)
The Los Angeles First National Trust & Savings Bank. This is an extremely interesting building. (no location given)

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/8...ionaltrust.jpg
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What a great building. Here's another (partial) shot of it, maybe ten years later, and one of the sad
thing that now stands in its place:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00078/00078031.jpgLAPL


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_z...85010%20AM.jpgGoogle Street View


At least the building a block east at the SW corner of Colorado and Mentor
still stands:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_z...84745%20AM.jpgGoogle Street View


One for sopas: the South Pasadena branch, newly opened:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00078/00078456.jpgLAPL
824 Fair Oaks Blvd.--NE corner of Mission St.


And now (we may have seen this here before):
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_z...92127%20AM.jpgGoogle Street View



Same architect as the Pasadena branch? Another Los Angeles First National Bank building at the corner of
San Fernando Rd. and Brand Blvd. (gone):
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics08/00023792.jpgLAPL

gsjansen Mar 3, 2011 3:50 PM

every once in awhile, a noirish los angeles thread needs some noirish images!

Barbara Stanwyck & Fred MacMurray on the set of Double Indemnity (1944, dir. Billy Wilder)

Wartime food shortages meant that security guards were posted to protect the real cans of food in the grocery store from sticky-fingered cast & crew members. Despite this, the aggrieved store owner reported to the LA Times that some scoundrel had managed to pinch a can of peaches & four bars of laundry soap.

http://oldhollywood.tumblr.com/photo...0z8YI521qzdvhi
Source: Old Hollywood

gsjansen Mar 3, 2011 4:48 PM

while on the subject of noir films, particularly those that take place on bunker hill, here's is a 1951 classic that was not only filmed on bunker hill, but actually inside some of the buildings as well.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1951poster.jpg
Source: Wikipedia

this was a remake of Fritz Lang's 1931 movie of the same title starring Peter Lorre as the child killer.

the movie begins at angels flight - (I apologize for the lousy images, but my copy of the dvd is not the best quality)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5093/...5a9fa331_z.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5298/...ba4e54a6_z.jpg

the 1st victim is a little girl on her way home from school. she and her mother live in the alta vista on bunker hill avenue and third. her mom looking at the clock waiting for her daughter to return from school. (actually filmed in the alta vista)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5173/...0d761f21_z.jpg

realizing that her daughter has not come home with the other kids, the mother hysterically starts to search for her. image looking up the stairwell of the alta vista

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5257/...270aa699_z.jpg

mom running up the back stairs of the alta vista up to bunker hill avenue

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5179/...64d4eb38_z.jpg

the baloon that the killer bought the daughter floats forlornly above the sunshine, astoria, and hilltop inn indicating that the girl is dead, (very chilling shot)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5055/...957d3d16_z.jpg

and our killer actually lives on bunker hill at the foss heindel house - 315 bunker hill

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5291/...6630748b_z.jpg

a girl who escapes at the last minute by meeting up with her mother skips up grand towards third past the nugent, (grand). our killer tries to lure her at the corner store, but mom shows up in time

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5017/...22acc12b_z.jpg

he does succeed in getting a little girl to go with him, but is recognized as the killer and is chased through bunker hill. looking from on top of the 2nd street steps down hope street

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5098/...50558cc6_z.jpg

running down the 2nd street steps from hope street down to the third street tunnel

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5060/...651cc5af_z.jpg

running out of the third street tunnel towards hill street.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5217/...4ed59be0_z.jpg

he is eventually cornered in the bradbury building, where the remainder of the movies takes place.


great catch GW about bus stop! here's one more image from bus stop, showing more of the brousseau house

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/...e321c00e_o.jpg

GaylordWilshire Mar 3, 2011 7:52 PM

Sometimes bigger is better. The detail, the detail!
 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_Angeles).jpg preservation.lacity.org

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...artments-2.jpg
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http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics14/00026688.jpgLAPL


Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5185826)
every once in awhile, a noirish los angeles thread needs some noirish images!

Barbara Stanwyck & Fred MacMurray on the set of Double Indemnity (1944, dir. Billy Wilder)

http://oldhollywood.tumblr.com/photo...0z8YI521qzdvhi
Source: Old Hollywood


I've always been curious as to why Fred, playing the single BSD insurance man, wore a wedding ring in
Double Indemnity. I'm sure it has been noted here before, but MacMurray once famously owned The Bryson
(from 1944 into the '70s). Of course, The Bryson itself starred in a number of noirs and "neonoirs", including
Lady in the Lake and The Grifters. (I've got to watch that again, for the Bryson's role and for Annette
Bening's memorable scene in the store.)


At one time The Bryson had its own garage, at 623 N. Rampart (now gone):
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090076.jpgLAPL

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00090/00090077.jpgLAPL


And finally, a lovely color shot with The Bryson in the distance:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_z...m-1024x701.jpgverner_oscar

Beaudry Mar 3, 2011 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5184609)
Andy961 at flicker posted some images that he had taken back in 1962 during the construction of the i-10 santa monica freeway.

he graciously gave me permission to post them here.

our good friend the young apartments

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/...6c767bd6_b.jpg
Source: Andy961 flicker photostream

Sometimes I think this is Facebook and I'm looking for the "Like" button.

Beaudry Mar 3, 2011 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5185126)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_z...62928%20PM.jpgTwentieth Century-Fox



I'm a few minutes into 1956's Bus Stop the other day, with Don Murray and Arthur O'Connell having just
gotten off the bus in Phoenix. Phoenix? The prop signs didn't fool me. I knew I was looking at The Nugent/
New Grand at 3rd and Grand on Bunker Hill.

It isn't every day that my jaw drops, I mean, actually physically drops. Of course now I had to just purchase it on Amazon.

That's 256/259 BH Ave behind, where Indus Arthur lives in Angel's Flight (from which the nosy old lady sees her murder the guy across the street on the bench). The big white building across the way is the Alta Vista, which gsjansen just wrote about as having been featured in M. And I've never seen an image with that particular neon cafe sign over the coffee shop at the Alto...

ethereal_reality Mar 3, 2011 11:50 PM

Here are a couple more photos of the beautiful Bryson taken in 1917.


http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/6...tmentbuild.jpg
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below: From this angle, the front portion of the top floor of each wing appear to be open air porches (for lack of a better word).
If you look again at the above photo, you can see large potted trees in this open air area.

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1...ysonb21917.jpg
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below: In the contemporary photo posted by GaylordWilshire this open area is now enclosed

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6...ervationla.jpg
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