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Handsome Stranger Dec 30, 2018 3:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8421655)
The tokens only appear to be embossed/raised because the image has been flipped (check out the shadows). Here they are the right way up, showing a cutout logo.

Indeed! And the color photo makes it plain that the symbol is the R from the Ralphs logo. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Also, I'm generally a fan of Julius Shulman but the office tower at Space Park is not a favorite of mine. I'm easily irked by multi story buildings so near to single story residential neighborhoods. It sticks out like a sore thumb, in my cranky opinion.

https://i.postimg.cc/q7Tj48Cz/sp2.jpg

But it does photograph well, as seen here in the Star Trek episode "Operation: Annihilate!"

HossC Dec 30, 2018 3:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8421511)

Any idea what the theater (rink?) is in the distance

This one
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/9s0qRI.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 8421528)

Im Pretty sure thats the Fox which is still with us.

Here's the old Fox Theatre on N Market Street in Inglewood (the actual address seems to vary from 109 to 115). You can read more and see some pictures at cinematreasures.org.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Inglewood1.jpg
Google Maps

This is how the Fox looked about six years after it opened.


CityBoyDoug Dec 30, 2018 4:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8421636)
Could the raised doodads on the tokens provide the color? See the reference in this wartime LAT ad of February 28, 1944...

https://i.postimg.cc/wBqSKXLN/ralph1-bmp.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/G29VtbMh/ralphs2-bmp.jpg

Grapefruit in 1944 was very sour and tart tasting. The canned grapefruit juiced I drank in the late 1940s was intolerable. My brother and I lived on a rabbit ranch in the San Fernando valley at that time.
Our babysitter always had that canned grapefruit juice every morning.....along with Malt-O-Meal.

Grapefruit in 2018 are natural hybrids and considerably sweeter.

https://sparklelivingblog.com/wp-con...6923473942.jpg.....https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/w...rapefruit.jpeg
parkle

The famous "grapefruit scene" with Cagney shoving the fruit in Mae Clark's face wasn't that big a deal back then and the scene happens so fast you almost miss it.

Filmed at Warner Bros in Burbank 1931

Tourmaline Dec 30, 2018 7:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8421655)
:previous:

The tokens only appear to be embossed/raised because the image has been flipped (check out the shadows). Here they are the right way up, showing a cutout logo.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lpsTokens1.jpg

I think Tourmaline was right about it being "R" for Ralphs. I also found this color image.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...lpsTokens2.jpg


Appreciate the feedback (including the WWII suggestion of lacing grapefruit with NaCl2).

The "gray" 5 cent refund token was silver in color and made of soft aluminum. I would think that material was probably in short supply during WW2, but maybe not. :shrug: (Anecdotal evidence may be that the Ralphs' token is pre WW2 per the Helms token below.) I recall refunds being offered for recycling milk and soda bottles, but unless coinage was in short supply too, that would seem to make the tokens mere novelties. The tokens could also be used as collateral for return of reusable crates, per bottom token. These "trade tokens" probably served not only as advertising, but also an inducement to shop at the issuing store, not unlike discount coupons or being part of a club membership.


This aluminum "Helms" trade token is said to be from the '30s
http://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/g/b/j/...27mm_1_lgw.jpghttp://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/g/b/j/...27mm_1_lgw.jpg



http://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/i/p/v/...oken_1_lgw.jpghttp://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/i/p/v/...oken_1_lgw.jpg

http://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/g/a/m/..._gft_1_lgw.jpghttp://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/g/a/m/..._gft_1_lgw.jpg


March 1937, Celebrating "Transportation Week."

http://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/h/v/q/...eek__1_lgw.jpghttp://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/h/v/q/...eek__1_lgw.jpg


Verso
http://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/h/v/q/...eek__2_lgw.jpghttp://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/h/v/q/...eek__2_lgw.jpg



"Return our crate"

From the 1900s per source.
http://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/i/e/k/...oken_2_lgw.jpghttp://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/i/e/k/...oken_2_lgw.jpg

Tourmaline Dec 30, 2018 7:59 PM

Curious why the check made payable to "self" had an attached revenue stamp.

Note "Gold" on the left side of 1878 check.


http://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/e/a/d/...tamp_1_lgw.jpghttp://numismaclub.com/imgs/a/e/a/d/...tamp_1_lgw.jpg



Pleasing you - pleases us!

Sambos , Carson and Vermont
https://images.bonanzastatic.com/afu...93/40/__57.jpghttps://images.bonanzastatic.com/afu...93/40/__57.jpg

HossC Dec 30, 2018 9:28 PM

I came across this drawing the other day.
Los Angeles County Central Heating and Refrigeration Plant, 1956

Photograph of a drawing. "Ground breaking Monday for Civic Center Plant -- The above artist sketch of the new Los Angeles County Central Heating and Refrigeration Plant will soon become a reality. With the awarding of a $3,502,500 contract to Haas-Haynei-Frandsen, Incorporated, general contractors of Beverly Hills, construction will begin officially Monday, July 16th. According to construction firm president T. Fred Frandsen, completion date has been set for February, 1958. -- Site of the plant will be on Temple, between North Broadway and Hill Streets. -- The plant, the first of its kind in the nation will be completely automatic and will supply the heating and air conditioning for all the county-owned buildings, both present and future, in the new Civic Center.
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...igeration1.jpg
USC Digital Library

I don't remember ever noticing this building before, so I thought that maybe it was never built. However, when I jumped into the Googlemobile, there it was right opposite the Hall of Justice. It looks like it's been modified over the years, but some of the original design elements are still visible. I've inset a slightly larger image of the lettering on the front.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...igeration2.jpg
GSV

Martin Pal Dec 30, 2018 10:20 PM

:previous:

I had to look up what goes on there. Most descriptions I saw were from when it opened:

"First in nation--Los Angeles County Central Heating and Refrigeration Plant at the Civic Center opened on Thursday, August 21, 1958. The first of its kind in the nation, this complex octopus-like system will carry heat and refrigeration to various county buildings."

ethereal_reality Dec 30, 2018 11:49 PM

Here's an amazing photograph.

"Snapshot Photo 1929 Motorcycle Image of Laura on So. Figuroa Los Angeles Calif."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/YJBuqU.jpg
Ebay

"This image came from an album put together by Harold Gates, a motorcycle racer."

I know the Automobile Club of Southern California was located on South Flgueroa. I wonder if the American Automobile Owners Association was located nearby? :shrug:

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I wasn't able to find any information on Harold Gates.

EDIT. I just found a group of photographs of Harold Gates. I'll post them in just a few minutes.

Bristolian Dec 31, 2018 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8421369)
Heh, Basic Military Training(the kid was in the Air Force, so I had to learn all the abbreviations).

My son is currently serving in the Air Force so I can relate to the abbreviations. I often have to tell him to slow down and explain them to a civilian like me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8421004)
It's called Los Angeles Air Force Base, it's one of the few Air Force Bases without a runway(Lackland in San Antonio is another, but it's a BMT base).

Having been there for graduations I was doubtful when I read this about Lackland but I checked with my source (son) and he confirmed it. There are plenty of runways nearby but technically on other bases of the complex.

HossC Dec 31, 2018 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8421922)

"Snapshot Photo 1929 Motorcycle Image of Laura on So. Figuroa Los Angeles Calif."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/YJBuqU.jpg
Ebay

"This image came from an album put together by Harold Gates, a motorcycle racer."

I know the Automobile Club of Southern California was located on South Flgueroa. Was the American Autobile Owners Association located nearby?

The 1929 CD lists the American Automobile Owners Association Inc a few blocks north at 1958 S Figueroa Street. It now seems to be the parking lot for Enterprise Rent-A-Car.

ETA. I've just found this great picture of the building. There's another angle in the set.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nersAssoc1.jpg
USC Digital Library

And here's a close-up of where Laura was posing.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nersAssoc2.jpg

ethereal_reality Dec 31, 2018 12:19 AM

:previous:
THANKS HOSS! You're fast!



Snapshot Photo 1929 Motorcycle Images Racer Harold Gates California +1918 Photo

"Harold and his military Harley."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/pciz2M.jpg

This is the 1918 photo.





I believe the woman in this photograph might be Laura, the woman in the previous post.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/DGdl6C.jpg

...the seller describes the woman as Harold's girlfriend. [location unknown]




The woman in this photo appears to be somewhat older. (Laura's mom?) and little sister?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ptEYcQ.jpg


All from Ebay

ethereal_reality Dec 31, 2018 12:21 AM

Harold Gates, mystery location. (with Laura?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/EZigPz.jpg
Ebay

Does anyone recognize this place?

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HossC Dec 31, 2018 1:14 AM

I took a closer look at the other view of the American Automobile Owners Association building, and wondered about the building on the right. Zooming in showed a small sign saying "Elgin Arms". The 1930 CD (the same year as the photo) lists it at 525 W 20th Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ElginArms1.jpg
USC Digital Library

I can't find demo permits for either building, but the Elgin Arms seems to disappear between the 1952 and 1964 images at Historic Aerials, and the AAOA building between 1972 and 1980.

BTW. The structure at the far right that looks like the top of a castle is the extant Mode O' Day/Washington Furniture Co Building at 155 W Washington Boulevard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5209946)

The rather unusual Mode O' Day Building at Washington & Hill.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5...ybuildingn.jpg
usc digital archive


ethereal_reality Dec 31, 2018 1:48 AM

Thanks unihikid and HossC for idenitying the Fox Inglewood Theater.

Here's a recent street view.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Hpb2ok.jpg
GSV

Note: The large marquee is still in place (under all that blue plywood)
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________




Here's a 2nd view - from a slightly different perspective - of the old parochial school (the Fox Inglewood is in the background on the left).

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/6WYwuq.jpg
PDF

You can compare it to the photograph I posted earlier HERE

In that earlier view did you notice the cozy hamburger stand in the lower left corner? [see below]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/57Ektk.jpg
DETAIL
........................................................................................................................:previous: IT HAS THREE OUTSIDE STOOLS (there's a big RUMP on the 3rd one)






And there's still a hamburger stand at that location.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/OYWkU0.jpg
GSV

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Lwize Dec 31, 2018 7:05 PM

Not Los Angeles, but...

There is a newly digitized photo archive of New York City taken in the 1930's-1940's of every building on every block for property tax purposes.

The archive has 720,000 photos to peruse.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...ax-photos.html

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/records/index.page

SHERIFFPAUL Dec 31, 2018 8:14 PM

Happy New Year
 
Happy New Year from Los Angeles 2019....Sheriff Paul

http://thenativelatourist.com/wp-con...2/00060984.jpg

Picture courtesy of the Native LA Tourist...

Flyingwedge Dec 31, 2018 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8421693)

https://www.brightwalldarkroom.com/w...rapefruit.jpeg

The famous "grapefruit scene" with Cagney shoving the fruit in Mae Clark's face wasn't that big a deal back then and the scene happens so fast you almost miss it.

Filmed at Warner Bros in Burbank 1931


These 10 clippings suggest the grapefruit scene was very much a big deal back then (e.g., "James Cagney made an overnight triumph"
in #2, "immortal episode involving grapefruit" near the end of #5, "The grapefruit joke still goes on at Warner Brothers" in #6, and
"famous breakfast scene" in #10).


Edwin Schallert misidentifies the fruit in his review of The Public Enemy in the May 18, 1931, Los Angeles Times:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psvtfixp6z.jpg

All the images in this post are from Los Angeles Times articles at ProQuest via LAPL



"Cavaliers of Cinema Passe" by Margaret Reid, August 30, 1931:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psciv3nkzu.jpg



"Cagney Becoming Favorite with New Technique" by Edwin Schallert, January 14, 1932:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psrubphrue.jpg



"Sock in Jaw Supplants Fade-Out Kiss" by Edwin Schallert, January 17, 1932:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...pstqekgvyl.jpg



"News and Gossip of Stage and Screen" by Norbert Lusk, May 28, 1933:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psnn9bkfrm.jpg
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psxguyhtui.jpg



Edwin Schallert, September 12, 1933:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psssf9iyvq.jpg



Unknown author, December 10, 1933:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psq6xag0ci.jpg



Unknown author, February 16, 1935:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psj1skk0pp.jpg



"James Cagney Scores Producer’s Methods" by Sheilah Graham, September 18, 1936:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psllyv5z1n.jpg



"Mae Clark, Cagney Lead, Signs Contract for Five Pictures" by Edwin Schallert, October 22, 1936:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psr28gu5yh.jpg

JeffDiego Dec 31, 2018 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 8421000)
The 2nd one from top is lovely Louise Brooks of course. Is the star below her Gloria Swanson? "Sunset Blvd" from 1950 one of my fave LA noirs, along with Double Indemnity, both directed by Wilder. The star on top is a young Joan Crawford I believe, and the lower pic is Myrna Loy.

Thanks for re-posting these fun pics, CaliNative. (Your post is on page 2505)


The gal between Brooks and Loy doesn't look like Swanson to me. Could be Fay Wray. (?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/cLTgJA.jpg

http://uniformautumn.tumblr.com/post...fay-wray-1920s

CityBoyDoug Dec 31, 2018 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8422639)

Can't let this go by without a gif.......

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ChillyTepi...restricted.gif
gify

odinthor Jan 1, 2019 2:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8422664)
Can't let this go by without a gif.......

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ChillyTepi...restricted.gif
gify

What few people realize is that this movie is a carefully coded saga which, in truth, represents the gripping drama of modern Dermatology. In this scene, Cagney's character was actually engaging in thoughtful medical treatment for Mae Clarke's character: Grapefruit juice is good for the skin:

"“Internally, grapefruit is a great example of a fruit that is loaded with skin-protective antioxidants and also has a high water content, which helps keep your skin’s barrier (the outer layer) hydrated and more resistant to wrinkle-causing free-radical damage from the sun and daily pollution,” says Los Angeles dermatologist, Howard Murad, MD. “A great benefit of grapefruit is that it promotes the production of collagen, thus making the skin more plump and reducing the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles, keeping the skin looking younger and more supple.”

“Grapefruit has excellent astringent and exfoliating properties that are perfect for oily or acne-prone skin,” says Washington, DC, dermatologist Elizabeth Tanzi, MD. “It also increases the pH of the skin, which may reduce acne,” adds Dr. Murad.


https://www.newbeauty.com/blog/daily...om-grapefruit/

Cinematic Dermatology has never been given the credit which it is due!

ethereal_reality Jan 1, 2019 7:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor

Cinematic Dermatology has never been given the credit which it is due!

Neither has Cinematic Faceliftology.


BRAZIL [1985]

https://imageshack.com/a/img924/6859/j773qi.gif
giphy



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HossC Jan 1, 2019 9:41 AM

I'll wish everyone a Happy New Year with a picture from 75 years ago. We've seen the Hollywood Canteen numerous times, but I think this image is new to the thread.

New Year celebration at the Hollywood Canteen. Shown is Tarawa veteran Seaman First Class Clayton Johnson, Dolores Moran and Cpl. Bing Crosby wishing everyone a Victory New Year for 1944

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...44NewYear1.jpg
LAPL

GaylordWilshire Jan 1, 2019 8:17 PM

:previous:


Happy New Year Hoss...now about the Canteen card--I'm not seeing Bing.... That's him on the left??

CityBoyDoug Jan 1, 2019 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8423099)
:previous:
Happy New Year Hoss...now about the Canteen card--I'm not seeing Bing.... That's him on the left??

Both of those guys appear to be random military. After all, that was what the Hollywood Canteen was all about.

Out of respect for the War effort, celebrities did not wear uniforms unless they were actually in the military.:runaway:

ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2019 12:58 AM

HAPPY NEW NOIRISHERS

Shall we start the new year off with a MURDER. *maniacally rubs hands together*


MARCH 1960 Veronica Smith Locke found murdered.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ogmqOZ.jpg
USC

3 images. Murder, 26 March 1960. Body of Veronica Smith Locke found in warehouse at 830 Ducommun Street. ; Caption slip reads: "Photographer: Olmo. Date: 1960-03-26. Reporter: Farrell. Assignment: Murder. 25: Coroner's Assistants carry sheet-wrapped body of Veronica Smith Locke from boiler room of warehouse at 830 Ducommon [sic] St. 26-27: Dep. Coroners carry out body. 28: Outside view of warehouse in which body was found."

The address is


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/PCvR11.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...799coll44/id/1[USC







https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/D2EWrD.jpg

Coroner's Assistants carry sheet-wrapped body of Veronica Smith Locke from boiler room of warehouse at 830 Ducommon [sic] St.






In 1956, Veronica Locke Smith lived in an apartment just north of Echo Park Lake. (now a parking lot)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/75X6d1.jpg
GSV

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/7zpsBM.jpg
LAPL

It appears she was separated from her husband.


I'm hoping one of you minions noirishers will be able to find some additional information.


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ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2019 1:08 AM

ALSO TOO


Ms. Smith-Locke might have come from Owensmouth. (today's Canoga Park)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/pw0cru.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/sGML8f.jpg
LAPL Of course it could be a different Veronica Smith.






This church is on Winnetka Avenue...to me, it looks like it might have been a school at one point in time.

7911 WINNETKA AVE.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/2MWkhw.jpg
gsv

That's my supposition anyway.


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HossC Jan 2, 2019 1:56 AM

:previous:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8423331)

I'm hoping one of you minions noirishers will be able to find some additional information.

Ready to help, boss!

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...characters.png

A quick search for Veronica Smith Locke only yielded a story about a lady being widowed in Reno several years earlier, although there are links to California (if not LA). The articles are dated July 7/8, 1953. This is from the Reno Evening Gazette. I wonder if this is the same person. Maybe someone with access to the LAT archives can help us out.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...mithLocke1.jpg
newspaperarchive.com

odinthor Jan 2, 2019 2:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8423381)
[...] Maybe someone with access to the LAT archives can help us out. [...]

Sorry, e_r, Hoss, all . . . I come with empty hands: Nothing pertinent in the Los Angeles Times for Veronica Smith Locke, Veronica Locke, nor Veronica Smith; indeed, nothing in the Times reported as happening on Ducommun in March, 1960. Hm! :wah:

Handsome Stranger Jan 2, 2019 4:40 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/HkNWkPxV/Locke-LBPT.jpg

[source: LAPL]

ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2019 4:36 PM

Thanks for the follow-ups minions.
Wouldn't there be mugshots of her if she was arrested numerous times?

Dig! Dig!

*cracks whip*


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ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2019 4:46 PM

Using the search words "Ducommun street murder" I found another murder!

.......................................................................................................................................................(two actually)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/MIQfBl.jpg
pinterest

but I don't have a date. (nor even the year) ....the way the headline is written maybe 1947?



p.s. If you click on the pinterest image it takes you to pinterest..if you click that image it takes you to....yep, pinterest.....if you click on that image it takes you to pinterest....if you...

It's like a never ending loop from hell.
:hell:


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HossC Jan 2, 2019 5:10 PM

:previous:

This article comes from the March 11, 1947 of the Madera Tribune, which is slightly strange because most sources list Evelyn Winters' death as March 12. Being so close to the murder of Elizabeth Short, her murder is mentioned on many sites. I think all the other articles say she was 42, but ages differences in these reports aren't unusual.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ynWinters1.jpg
California Digital Newspaper Collection

Evelyn's murder is covered on the 1947project.

ethereal_reality Jan 2, 2019 5:13 PM

For newcomers to the thread.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/QlnSPS.jpg
kcet

Red arrow at right points to Ducommun Street.

Complete 1956 Shell Oil map can be found at davidrumsey

Handsome Stranger Jan 2, 2019 5:45 PM

Are there any archives of vintage mugshots on the net? Not just a few select photos of famous people, but ones that include the hoi polloi as well as the beau monde?

AlvaroLegido Jan 2, 2019 5:57 PM

Beau monde
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 8041913)

Happy New Year from France 2019 !

HossC Jan 2, 2019 6:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8423331)

Shall we start the new year off with a MURDER. *maniacally rubs hands together*

MARCH 1960 Veronica Smith Locke found murdered.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ogmqOZ.jpg
USC

3 images. Murder, 26 March 1960. Body of Veronica Smith Locke found in warehouse at 830 Ducommun Street. ; Caption slip reads: "Photographer: Olmo. Date: 1960-03-26. Reporter: Farrell. Assignment: Murder. 25: Coroner's Assistants carry sheet-wrapped body of Veronica Smith Locke from boiler room of warehouse at 830 Ducommon [sic] St. 26-27: Dep. Coroners carry out body. 28: Outside view of warehouse in which body was found."

As you can see from the partial sign, 830 Ducommun St was previously home to Armor Paper Products Co Inc. Despite the Ducommun address, the warehouse actually backed onto the river. I've arrowed it in this 1958 view. The building was almost literally in the shadow of the gasometers.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0Ducommun1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Snix Jan 2, 2019 6:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8421944)
Harold Gates, mystery location. (with Laura?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/EZigPz.jpg
Ebay

Does anyone recognize this place?

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Yes! That is the campanile from the Agua Caliente resort in Old Mexico. It was designed by Wayne McAllister in 1928.
https://www.amazon.com/Leisure-Archi.../dp/1586856995

Beaudry Jan 2, 2019 9:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8423752)
:previous:

This article comes from the March 11, 1947 of the Madera Tribune, which is slightly strange because most sources list Evelyn Winters' death as March 12. Being so close to the murder of Elizabeth Short, her murder is mentioned on many sites. I think all the other articles say she was 42, but ages differences in these reports aren't unusual.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...ynWinters1.jpg
California Digital Newspaper Collection

Evelyn's murder is covered on the 1947project.

In the 1947project post to which you link, where I go on at the end about Tiernan, it's a reference to the previous 47p post.

Here's Winters at Ducommun & the Santa Fe Right-of-Way, March 11 of '47. I've covered her up but you can see a hand and foot to give a relative idea as to the positioning of the supine body.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4858/...013f9ed2_z.jpg

She had been murdered elsewhere and then dragged from a car, approximately ten feet. There was blunt force trauma to the head but the cause of death was stabbing.

Of course one of the most unusual facets of the case was George Wickliffee, who found her, and alerted authorities (a nearby SoCal Gas Co fireman) after he'd kissed her and fondled her breasts (Winters was exposed from the neck down)—they were tipped off by her lipstick on his lips. Wickliffee was thereafter confined to Camarillo.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4872/...b89fd2da42.jpg
George Franklin Wickliffee had a long record, and was a professional vagrant and window-peeper.

In the game LA Noire, there's a copycat case as "Evelyn Summers" and when a railroad worker confesses he'd kissed the corpse, Detective Galloway hauls off and clocks him one; well, you can see for yourself.

CityBoyDoug Jan 2, 2019 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8423759)
For newcomers to the thread.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/QlnSPS.jpg
kcet

Red arrow at right points to Ducommun Street.

Complete 1956 Shell Oil map can be found at davidrumsey

Ducommun street was named after the Ducommun family who sold various metals.

That name always reminds of when my father died. His die casting company and of course by then my mother owed the Ducommun Company $10,000 [in 2019 that would be about $86,000]. This bill due was for aluminum and zinc he had purchased for making aircraft parts.


https://waterandpower.org/1%20Histor...1/Ducommun.jpg
water & power

Charles Louis Ducommun, a watchmaker by training, emigrated to the US from Switzerland in the early 1840s. He started a general store, providing supplies (and credit) to gold prospectors and other pioneers who had settled in the burgeoning pueblo of Los Angeles. Ducommun Street was named for Charles Louis.

Martin Pal Jan 3, 2019 12:01 AM

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...oodCanteen.jpgWikimedia

I saw this photo captioned: Barbara Britton at the Hollywood Canteen.

I hadn't seen any exterior photos of the Hollywood Canteen that were similar so I tried to figure out where this was taken. I believe the building at top center is the Guaranty Building located at Hollywood Blvd. and Ivar St. I'm sure it was taken south of there because if it were taken north the Knickerbocker Hotel would block the Guaranty building in some respect. Both the Hollywood Canteen and the USO were a block west of Ivar, so the angle wouldn't be right if Miss Britton were at either of those places.

I don't think it was taken on Vine Street because the Broadway or Plaza would be in the view and I don't recall any trees on the west side in any Vine St. pictures of this area.

Because of this photo...

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Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 5853442)
1940 Hollywood Aerial / Cahuenga Pass (NBC on Vine)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics45/00072195.jpg
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...and because to the left of the group in the Britton photo there are cars parked there, I believe it was probably taken behind either the CBS Radio Theatre or Tom Breneman's restaurant where he did his radio show.
The first street west is Morningside Court which intersects Selma Ave.

Then I discovered this 1949 photo...

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FiNMiUUpE...otosofLA-6.jpgLos Angeles Theatres Blogspot


In the left top of this photo is the Guaranty Building. Directly below it in the photo is a three story white building whose configuration looks the same as the building in the background of the Britton photograph.
So the general location for that photo is behind one of the locations fronting Vine Street. Could anyone be more specific?

ethereal_reality Jan 3, 2019 1:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal reality

Motorcyclist Harold Gates with unidentified woman. [location unknown]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/EZigPz.jpg

Does anyone recognize this place?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snix (Post 8423872)
Yes! That is the campanile from the Agua Caliente resort in Old Mexico. It was designed by Wayne McAllister in 1928.
https://www.amazon.com/Leisure-Archi.../dp/1586856995

Thanks Snix! I didn't think we were going to solve this one.


Aqua Caliente was a huge complex!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/TVKq7Z.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/x0akPb.jpg
antiquegambling

As you can see...............................................................................................................................................................the campanile is #8 :previous:







That big honkin' vase is still there.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/ZKO0Iz.jpg
laprensa


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ethereal_reality Jan 3, 2019 1:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8423830)
As you can see from the partial sign, 830 Ducommun St was previously home to Armor Paper Products Co Inc. Despite the Ducommun address,
the warehouse actually backed onto the river. I've arrowed it in this 1958 view. The building was almost literally in the shadow of the gasometers.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...0Ducommun1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu*

Thanks for labeling this aerial Hoss. I appreciate it :) (as always)

*note the aerial was taken only two years before the Smith-Locke murder.

originally posted by HossC
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/rYoQb1.jpg
complete article HERE

When I first read "Gas House" district my mind told me "Gaslight district" (like the historic area in San Diego)



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ethereal_reality Jan 3, 2019 4:11 AM

"Palatial Estate" mystery.

Have we seen this amazing looking place on NLA?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/Mpa8xu.jpg
picclick

I'm intrigued by the structure in the middle distance on the left. What purpose does it have? (as it appears to be quite a distance from the house)




The only clue is written atop the back of the rppc. (rppc = real picture post card) ebay lingo

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/O0sSTx.jpg
picclick / 1920s los angeles

Does anyone recognize this "palatial estate"?

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ethereal_reality Jan 3, 2019 5:00 AM

Here's one more mystery for tonight.


"ROYAL ORDER OF JESTERS, COURT #84, FALL PARTY AND CEREMONIAL, L. A. BREAKFAST CLUB." (Shriners?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/Wa8Iu6.jpg
PICCLICK

So who are these jokers jesters? ;)




The seller included detailed images.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/nheIM2.jpg

I thought there'd be a date.....but no.







https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/Sj18uH.jpg
Burger King Board of Directors?




and the photographer.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/ZUgbjg.jpg
Dave Weaver



And finally, the seller included this close up of a damaged corner that gives us a good look at the lighting fixtures.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/5DwZL5.jpg

hmmmm...or was the seller pointing out that burnt umber-colored diagonal mark?


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Tikiman Jan 3, 2019 8:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8423331)
HAPPY NEW NOIRISHERS

Shall we start the new year off with a MURDER. *maniacally rubs hands together*


MARCH 1960 Veronica Smith Locke found murdered.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ogmqOZ.jpg
USC

3 images. Murder, 26 March 1960. Body of Veronica Smith Locke found in warehouse at 830 Ducommun Street. ; Caption slip reads: "Photographer: Olmo. Date: 1960-03-26. Reporter: Farrell. Assignment: Murder. 25: Coroner's Assistants carry sheet-wrapped body of Veronica Smith Locke from boiler room of warehouse at 830 Ducommon [sic] St. 26-27: Dep. Coroners carry out body. 28: Outside view of warehouse in which body was found."

The address is


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/PCvR11.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...799coll44/id/1[USC







https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/D2EWrD.jpg

Coroner's Assistants carry sheet-wrapped body of Veronica Smith Locke from boiler room of warehouse at 830 Ducommon [sic] St.






In 1956, Veronica Locke Smith lived in an apartment just north of Echo Park Lake. (now a parking lot)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/75X6d1.jpg
GSV

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/7zpsBM.jpg
LAPL

It appears she was separated from her husband.


I'm hoping one of you minions noirishers will be able to find some additional information.


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Here is something interesting. On the same month, 12 years earlier, the naked body of Evelyn Winters was found just across the street from this one. She had been beat to death and dragged to the spot. Coincidence? You tell me.http://1947project.blogspot.com/2006...iscontent.html
My apologies again - it looks like I am late to the party. I've had this one push pinned on my Google Map for several years now and when I saw the original post I figured I would be cute and tell you all something new. OOPS. Well I can add this case to my death push-pin map. LOL

HossC Jan 3, 2019 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8424191)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...oodCanteen.jpgWikimedia

I saw this photo captioned: Barbara Britton at the Hollywood Canteen.

I hadn't seen any exterior photos of the Hollywood Canteen that were similar so I tried to figure out where this was taken. I believe the building at top center is the Guaranty Building located at Hollywood Blvd. and Ivar St. I'm sure it was taken south of there because if it were taken north the Knickerbocker Hotel would block the Guaranty building in some respect. Both the Hollywood Canteen and the USO were a block west of Ivar, so the angle wouldn't be right if Miss Britton were at either of those places.

I don't think it was taken on Vine Street because the Broadway or Plaza would be in the view and I don't recall any trees on the west side in any Vine St. pictures of this area.

...

So the general location for that photo is behind one of the locations fronting Vine Street. Could anyone be more specific?

Here's an aerial view from December 21, 1941 (we could probably see the Santas on Hollywood Boulevard if it was higher resolution!). The three-story white building is just to the right of the top of the "Ivar Avenue" label. I believe that the building is still there, although most of the windows have been filled. To the left of "V" in the "Vine Street" label is the CBS Radio Playhouse (now the Ricardo Montalban Theatre). My guess would be that Barbara Britton and the sailors were between the CBS Radio Playhouse and Selma Avenue, but I can't work out where the small brick chimney-like structure in the top-right corner of the photo would've been.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...varAerial1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

GaylordWilshire Jan 3, 2019 3:10 PM

A couple of random Bullock's-Wilshire images...


https://i.postimg.cc/fy8f0W03/Bullockswilshad.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/bJTQKYg6/bulloc...illete-bmp.jpg

This is a detail from a USCDL image...I noticed the billboard across Westmoreland from Bullock's for "The Gillette," which at first I thought might be some new store or restaurant or other. Turns out to be The Gillette Mortuary, now a school with an odd name, nearly under the freeway, at 950 W Washington. I thought we'd seen it here on NLA before, but I couldn't find it readily....

https://i.postimg.cc/jS2tfMBC/gillettenow-bmp.jpg
GSV

GaylordWilshire Jan 3, 2019 3:12 PM

Speaking of Bullock's-Wilshire: Not to be missed is any chance to visit the landmark building—especially not to be missed is a chance to hear renown historian Stephen Gee speak on John Parkinson, the towering landmark's architect and the subject of ICONIC VISION, Gee's superb monograph. For ticket information: http://www.windsorsquarehancockpark....-high-tea-2019


https://i.postimg.cc/bvxfh11z/WSHPin...19bullocks.jpg


(I don't suppose Gee will be talking about murders or other mayhem...but this got me wondering--how many deaths might have taken place at Bullock's-Wilshire? Anyone know of any jumps from the tower? Have we seen any here on NLA?)

Flyingwedge Jan 3, 2019 6:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8424107)

Ducommun street was named after the Ducommun family who sold various metals.

Charles Louis Ducommun, a watchmaker by training, emigrated to the US from Switzerland in the early 1840s. Ducommun Street was named for Charles Louis.

Was Ducommun Street named after the Ducommun family or just Charles Louis Ducommun?

CityBoyDoug Jan 3, 2019 7:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8424895)
Was Ducommun Street named after the Ducommun family or just Charles Louis Ducommun?

I guess one could ask this about most any street that carries the name of a person.

On a similar note was "Elm Street" named for one specific elm tree or all elm trees.

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