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GaylordWilshire Apr 30, 2011 7:42 PM

:previous:

gs: I for one will not participate in any sort of intervention.

ethereal_reality Apr 30, 2011 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5260890)
while i have railroads on the brain, (and also since E_R and GW have gotten me hooked on a new drug........................WPA Land Use Maps........like i needed another addiction.......sheeeesh) , thought i would find some photos of this locale;


the old LARR train barn at 12th and georgia street

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5229/...0bb4901d_o.jpg


I had saved the map/image of the LARR car barn as well.
I was going to do some research and post my findings but you beat me to it gsj! :)

Then I realized the LARR car barn I had come across was located at an entirely different location.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/6...rycoachyar.jpg
uscdl

This one is farther south at 16th Street. So far, I haven't found any additional information about it.
I thought you might have better luck gsjansen.


ps: I really liked the Wig Wag photos.I had forgotten all about those things.

Floyd B. Bariscale May 1, 2011 1:54 AM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5310/...0e47c5ca_b.jpg
USC Digital Library

Thanks a million, gsjansen, for those shots of the Franklin Garden Apartments. I think I've seen the two aerials, but that third, above, is new to me and worth the price of admission. It's like a different planet. Those shades trees are more mature than I'd have expected for December 1934. (The apartments date to 1920).

Ninja55 May 1, 2011 3:36 AM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5145/...75706ae3_z.jpghttp://farm6.static.flickr.com/5145/...75706ae3_z.jpg

Hello everybody and a Big Hello and thank-you to ethereal_reality for creating this thread. My Uncle Bert Rovere loved his Los Angeles and would certainly agree this is, as they say, "Dope".

sopas ej May 1, 2011 4:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5260475)



below:
I thought it was interesting to see the boundary placing West Hollywood and the Sunset Strip outside of the city limits.


http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8...ndriesweho.jpg
uscdl

"As the Strip lies outside of the Los Angeles city limits and was an unincorporated area under the jurisdiction of the County of Los Angeles, the area fell under the less-vigilant jurisdiction of the Sheriff's Department rather than the heavy hand of the LAPD. It was illegal to gamble in the city, but legal in the county. This fostered the building of a rather wilder concentration of nightlife than Los Angeles would tolerate, and in the 1920s a number of nightclubs and casinos moved in along the Strip, which attracted movie people to this less-restricted area."

__wikipedia



below: I thought it was rather curious that this oil field was also outside the city limits.

http://img808.imageshack.us/img808/2...cityboundr.jpg
uscdl

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/4...4boundries.jpg
uscdl

When I first looked through my 1943 Renie Atlas, I was surprised to see that more of those "unincorporated islands" existed back then than now; for example, what is now the Trousdale Estates section of Beverly Hills used to be unincorporated County area, and is labeled in the Atlas as being the Doheny Estate. To the west of there, which is now part of the Santa Monica Mountains Recreation Area containing Franklin Reservoir and part of LA city limits, used to be unincorporated County area as well before it was annexed by LA.

In that last pic above, the oil field immediately north of Hancock Park, in my Renie Atlas, the streets are already denoted for the Park La Brea complex and is part of the City of LA. But north of 3rd and south of Beverly, that oil field, in my Renie Atlas, that area is shown as containing Gilmore Field and the Pan Pacific Auditorium--and it was unincorporated County area; so back then, the Farmers Market and what eventually became CBS Television City, used to be outside of LA City limits.

Of course some unincorporated islands still remain. Universal City is on unincorporated County land, as well as what was once called the National Soldiers Home--now the VA Medical Center, with land that also contains the National Cemetery and Federal Building.

Universal Studios, undated photo
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013635.jpg
LAPL

VA Hospital, 1939
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics11/00025012.jpg
LAPL

VA Hospital, 1930 (?)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics11/00025034.jpg
LAPL

GaylordWilshire May 1, 2011 1:27 PM

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics38/00068913.jpgLAPL


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_d...91532%20AM.jpgLAPL

Los Angeles Past May 1, 2011 3:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5260329)


When I first saw this map section, I thought, what's that odd, interrupted diagonal feature? It's no road that I recognize. Then, when I went to the USC site itself to look at that map, I was really intrigued, because I saw that that diagonal passed almost directly through the apartment building on So. Norton Ave. where my mother lived from 1941-1951 (green box below).

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...onwpamap-1.jpg
USCDL

I've visited that place twice in the last couple of years, and I can attest that there's no such feature visible in that area today. (Mom's apartment was on the upper storey at the back of the green building.)

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...ents_sky-1.jpg
My own photo on flickr.

Actually, now that I look at the area on Google Earth, I can, in places, just barely make out a remnant of this diagonal feature crossing the area from W. 8th St. down to Pico Blvd. Could this be one of Los Angeles's many vanished creeks, perhaps? That's my best guess...

-Scott


EDIT: Answering my own question – that diagonal topographic feature appears to be a headwater tributary of Ballona Creek. It's very faint, but it's indicated by the green arrow on this map.

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...topo_sky-1.jpg
Ballona Creek Renaissance.

rbpjr May 1, 2011 5:19 PM

Memories of Lucca's
 
One of my parents favorite restaurants, in Los Angeles, was Lucca's...I remember going there, as a teenager, in the late forties...I especially remember the dessert cart...as it would roll by our table and then come again at the end of dinner.

gsjansen May 1, 2011 7:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5261203)
I had saved the map/image of the LARR car barn as well.
I was going to do some research and post my findings but you beat me to it gsj! :)

Then I realized the LARR car barn I had come across was located at an entirely different location.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/6...rycoachyar.jpg
uscdl

This one is farther south at 16th Street. So far, I haven't found any additional information about it.
I thought you might have better luck gsjansen.


the bus depot on 16th street still exists and is utilized today as the division 2 crossroads bus depot.

http://images1.cpcache.com/product/2...x480_Front.jpg

the Metro Transportation Library and Archive flickr set has a few photographs of the yard

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3253/...73cc813c_o.jpg
Source: Metro Transportation Library and Archive Flickr Set

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3513/...b8cdd603_o.jpg
Source: Metro Transportation Library and Archive Flickr Set

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3021/...ea8ba8ea_b.jpg
Source: Metro Transportation Library and Archive Flickr Set

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/...5d31f1bc_b.jpg
Source: Metro Transportation Library and Archive Flickr Set

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3205/...3d2fd223_b.jpg
Source: Metro Transportation Library and Archive Flickr Set

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3177/...b84a368d_o.jpg
Source: Metro Transportation Library and Archive Flickr Set

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3224/...e7cb6d7c_b.jpg
Source: Metro Transportation Library and Archive Flickr Set

Ninja55 May 1, 2011 7:49 PM

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5102/...587ce1dd_z.jpghttp://farm6.static.flickr.com/5102/...587ce1dd_z.jpg

Thanks rbpj! Dad would of loved the comment. He managed Lucca from the late 40's until it closed in 1955.

ethereal_reality May 2, 2011 2:24 AM

Gsjansen..thanks for the information on the 16th Street LARR terminal/bus barn. I appreciate it.

____________


In one of the WPA maps I noticed the Bimini Slough area.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8...hspalomarb.jpg
uscdl

above: Just south of the Bimini Baths ('hot springs') is a large area labeled 'dancing'.
This would be the location of the popular Palomar Ballroom


below: A snapshot of the Palomar Ballroom.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/556...936vokoban.jpg
unknown



below: An aerial view of the Bimini Baths. The railroad tressle over the Bimini Slough is visible at the right.
The huge Palomar Ballroom would be located in the bottom half of the photograph.


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8...sbldgonlef.jpg
unknown



Here is a 1929 and 2010 comparison of the same area by Vokoban.
If you look closely you can see both the Bimini Baths and the Palomar Ballroom.

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/7...ermontcomp.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/people/vokoban/

________________

I know we've covered the Bimini Baths in the past so I ventured back in the thread.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=644

I believe the following photos/postcards are new to this thread.


http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/9...ad1902voko.jpg
latimes

above: The grand opening of the Bimini Baths. I believe this original structure was destroyed by fire a few years later.


below: A postcard of the new Bimini Baths.

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/5...kobanfirst.jpg
vokoban


below: The Bimini Baths in the 1930s.

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/5...inthe1950s.jpg
vokoban




below: There was also the Bimini Inn. Amazingly, this building survives.

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9...l1905still.jpg
vokoban

below: The Bimini Inn today.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6...hoteltoday.jpg
google street view

The Bimini Inn is now known as the Bimini Recovery Center.

ethereal_reality May 2, 2011 3:59 AM

Immediately to the west of the old Bimini Inn is this imposing apartment building.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/5...toftheoldb.jpg
google street view


Further down the block is the Rayfield Apartments on Bimini Place.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3...ldonbimini.jpg
google street view

If I were to film a modern day 'noir', I'd certainly investigate this captivating little area.



_____________________

Beaudry May 2, 2011 9:04 AM

Finally dug up a copy of Shockproof -- it's a nifty little noir. Nifty for its locations, for our purposes. The Fullerian noiritude of its script was famously soft-sudded by Helen Deutsch on studio insistence. (As a picture, some like it, some don't.)

Anyway, thought I'd toss out some screen grabs. (And, for the record, that Antlers Hotel image is from the 1948 Ida Lupinofest Road House.)

Early on we go to our heroine's new digs -- well, she's really the antagonist, but let's not split hairs -- and where is it?

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5024/...e8f5dba5_b.jpg

It's 515 West Second! Which we remember of course from our visit with George Mann:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/...cf1c770f87.jpghttp://www.onbunkerhill.org/georgemann

Here, Patricia Knight exits 515 -- known as the Koster House because Mr & Mrs. John Koster moved into their new home there in July, 1894 --

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/...4c9f519c_b.jpg

Up rolls CW --

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5108/...8ae7aa2a_b.jpg

-- the camera pans over a bit and a second ago you saw the Argyle to the left. There's the Fashion League Bldg, and the Astor, the Northern and Claridge, and the Mission...

Lest we forget the shot of them filming this scene, as found on the Daily Mirror:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...70b66b8970c-pihttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...-photo-16.html -- which was January 3, '49. The picture was released January 25. Quick turnaround on these babies!

Some other neat stuff -- CW and PK pick up CW's little brothers at the end of Court Street:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5144/...5f34fe43_b.jpg

And CW's extended family live above the Hill St tunnel...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5030/...acb5fbec_b.jpg

Of course one of the major stars is the Bradbury:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5190/...74341256_b.jpg

And here's a funny thing...here's CW strolling down a hall,

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5306/...324f41d5_b.jpg

and in one seamless shot he cruises right on into an office.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5066/...db5118af_b.jpg

That back tilted wall looks a little...off, doesn't it? That's because it's a fake. The offices are quite shallow you'll note because apparently they could use the Bradbury and its offices but needed, after all, to control the light between setups. Quite clever. Of course, the Bradbury doesn't have windows like that at all; they remind one of the top fenestration of the Law Building. Aaaaand, if they were in the Law Building, looking south, you'd have the State Building on yer right, and the Hall of Records on your left.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/...7f3cf776_b.jpg

Instead, the vista out their window could only, of course, been taken from City Hall.

And everyone has the same view out of their window, which is pretty handy.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5026/...55e251d6_b.jpg

I'm thinking of having one installed outside my bedroom window...maybe it could rotate...I could wake to a new scene of Old LA every day...

GaylordWilshire May 2, 2011 5:28 PM

:previous:

Speaking of the Bradbury--I came across this item in the June 27, 1909, isssue of the Herald the other day:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_d...remodelart.jpgCDNC

... I don't know if Wyman consulted his Ouija board while redesigning, but I was prompted to look
for some comparison shots. (We may have seen some or all of these before, but I'm not sure if
we've discussed Wyman's remodeling of the building he both designed and practiced in.)

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics17/00018473.jpgLAPL
Circa 1894

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_d...20357%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View

I've done a fair amount of looking, but I haven't been able to find a vintage shot closer to the time of remodeling. For
years the lower facade of the 3rd Street side was covered by signs, but the restorations in recent years reveals the
replacement of the six arched windows with plate glass as described in the 1909 article.


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013859.jpg

JeffDiego May 3, 2011 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 5262732)
Finally dug up a copy of Shockproof -- it's a nifty little noir. Nifty for its locations, for our purposes. The Fullerian noiritude of its script was famously soft-sudded by Helen Deutsch on studio insistence. (As a picture, some like it, some don't.)

Anyway, thought I'd toss out some screen grabs. (And, for the record, that Antlers Hotel image is from the 1948 Ida Lupinofest Road House.)

Early on we go to our heroine's new digs -- well, she's really the antagonist, but let's not split hairs -- and where is it?

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5024/...e8f5dba5_b.jpg

It's 515 West Second! Which we remember of course from our visit with George Mann:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/...cf1c770f87.jpghttp://www.onbunkerhill.org/georgemann

Here, Patricia Knight exits 515 -- known as the Koster House because Mr & Mrs. John Koster moved into their new home there in July, 1894 --

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5142/...4c9f519c_b.jpg

Up rolls CW --

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5108/...8ae7aa2a_b.jpg

-- the camera pans over a bit and a second ago you saw the Argyle to the left. There's the Fashion League Bldg, and the Astor, the Northern and Claridge, and the Mission...

Lest we forget the shot of them filming this scene, as found on the Daily Mirror:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6...70b66b8970c-pihttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...-photo-16.html -- which was January 3, '49. The picture was released January 25. Quick turnaround on these babies!

Some other neat stuff -- CW and PK pick up CW's little brothers at the end of Court Street:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5144/...5f34fe43_b.jpg

And CW's extended family live above the Hill St tunnel...

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5030/...acb5fbec_b.jpg

Of course one of the major stars is the Bradbury:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5190/...74341256_b.jpg

And here's a funny thing...here's CW strolling down a hall,

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5306/...324f41d5_b.jpg

and in one seamless shot he cruises right on into an office.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5066/...db5118af_b.jpg

That back tilted wall looks a little...off, doesn't it? That's because it's a fake. The offices are quite shallow you'll note because apparently they could use the Bradbury and its offices but needed, after all, to control the light between setups. Quite clever. Of course, the Bradbury doesn't have windows like that at all; they remind one of the top fenestration of the Law Building. Aaaaand, if they were in the Law Building, looking south, you'd have the State Building on yer right, and the Hall of Records on your left.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5305/...7f3cf776_b.jpg

Instead, the vista out their window could only, of course, been taken from City Hall.

And everyone has the same view out of their window, which is pretty handy.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5026/...55e251d6_b.jpg

I'm thinking of having one installed outside my bedroom window...maybe it could rotate...I could wake to a new scene of Old LA every day...

Recently came across a listing in Maltin's Classic Movie Guide for a film called "Southside 1-1000" (1950-51). It mentioned that a highlight was the good Los Angeles and San Quentin location photography. Haven't seen the film and the IMDB customer reviews were poor. Anyone seen it? Thanks for the interesting "Shockproof" Bunker Hill photos.

ethereal_reality May 3, 2011 4:38 PM

'The Case of the Mummified Playmate.'


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...ct-canyon.html


http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/6...edplaymate.jpg
latimes


File this one under contemporary NOIR.

_________

gsjansen May 3, 2011 7:46 PM

:previous:

yvette vickers has a major noir connection......................................

the giggling girl on the telephone at artie's new years party in sunset boulevard

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/Ac...7646-18662.jpg
Aveleyman

ethereal_reality May 3, 2011 9:13 PM

No kidding!? I didn't know that. She's very memorable in that scene.

GaylordWilshire May 4, 2011 12:44 AM

Western Avenue vintage eats
 
I thought we'd covered the Nikabob and El Cholo at some point, but danged if I can find them on a search of the thread...

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008640.jpgLAPL

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_d...75931%20PM.jpgUSCDL

The Nikabob at 875 S. Western was named for a fella named Nick and Bob Cobb of the Derby.
Sometime in the '30s it became the H.C. Stevens Nikabob Cafe, and after that was run by the
Adelman brothers. The building, gone now, was supposedly by Morgan, Walls & Clements, which
is a good start for any building... but how about this later interior renovation?

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_d...82445%20PM.jpgManitoba Museum of Fine Arts


And then there was--and is--El Cholo, still at 1121 S. Western:
http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008702.jpgLAPL
1931

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008703.jpgLAPL
1937

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008707.jpgLAPL
1952

Which morphed into
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_d...81506%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View

Next door, a surviving bungalow, which once might have been Wally Fay's office:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_d...81243%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View

ethereal_reality May 4, 2011 4:00 AM

Here are some graphics of the NikaBob Gaylord Wilshire.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8...nikabobmb2.jpg
ebay

above: I love the dude falling out of the martini glass.



http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/5...3nikabobmb.jpg
ebay



http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8595/nikabob2.jpg
latimemachine.blog

http://www.latimemachines.com/new_page_42.htm (scroll down)


I love seeing that bungalow next to El Cholo.


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