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GaylordWilshire Jun 28, 2020 11:56 AM

Random ad in the 1898 CD:


https://i.postimg.cc/KzPCWzZ9/randomad98-CD-bmp.jpg
LAPL

Martin Pal Jun 28, 2020 8:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8964791)
It was Brooklands Museum in Surrey (just outside London), so probably the same one.

What a coinkydink! Now if it was the same day...!

Whenever I hear "Concorde" I always first think of grape juice. And, yes, I know there's no "e" on the grape juice.

ethereal_reality Jun 28, 2020 8:25 PM

Does anyone know if this "Memorial to Animals" was ever built :shrug:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/gEe9AL.jpg
lapl

It was to have been "set up" Allesandro Street and Riverside Drive.

"The monument will be 8 feet high and ach panel will be 25 feet long."

The date of the photo is: April 18, 1935.



My eyes were blurry (after a looong day of computer usage) when I happened upon this photograph so at first I didn't realize it was a model.

I was especially flummoxed by what was all over this car. I thought perhaps the lady had driven down from the mountains and she was waiting for her car to thaw out.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/0kwBDy.jpg
detail




ethereal_reality Jun 28, 2020 9:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality

When I was growing up I wanted to be an astronaut but that didn't work out.

I should have aimed a little lower. lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC
Reminds me of a joke I saw recently:
I always wanted to be an astronaut just like my Dad.

He always wanted to be an astronaut too...


Reminds me of this:

If your New Year's resolution is "I will learn Chinese."

You might want to change it to "I will order Chinese."

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HossC Jun 28, 2020 9:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8965573)

Does anyone know if this "Memorial to Animals" was ever built :shrug:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/gEe9AL.jpg
lapl

It was to have been "set up" Allesandro Street and Riverside Drive.

"The monument will be 8 feet high and ach panel will be 25 feet long."

The date of the photo is: April 18, 1935.

Here's the junction of Allesandro and Riverside in 1944 (below, left). From the picture above, I'm guessing that the proposed site for the "Memorial to Animals" was the triangular traffic island, but here it has a circular design at the center. The location (marked below, right) is now under an off ramp of the Glendale Freeway.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...llesandro1.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu/Google Maps

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8965609)

Reminds me of this:

If your New Year's resolution is "I will learn Chinese."

You might want to change it to "I will order Chinese."

In that case, I achieved my New Year's resolution on Friday ;).

odinthor Jun 28, 2020 9:42 PM

:previous:

e_r and Hoss, I can't find anything further about the memorial; but I can note that the LA Times, in its couple of articles about the model for the memorial, has the artist's name wrong. It's Helen Lundeberg (not "Helen Lundburg").

Here's the Wikipedia entry on this interesting artist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Lundeberg

BDiH Jun 28, 2020 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8963619)
:previous:


John R. Avery was a Hollywood builder who developed the nec of Melrose & Ardmore in 1921...he was issued a number of permits for 4617-21-23-25 Melrose (and various -½s of them) on April 18 of that year for small stores and attendent dwellings--for example, 4619 was originally a store building, with 4619½ a dwelling. Various later permits allow for the alterations of the stores, which included hardware and liquor stores. In 1927 an alteration permit was issued referring to 4619 as a tea room...and in 1937 one was issued for the remodeling of its façade:


https://i.postimg.cc/tTqCc5gZ/4619tearoomref-bmp.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/vBZbhZP5/4619-1937-bmp.jpg

How does one access these documents?

Noir_Noir Jun 28, 2020 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8965573)
Does anyone know if this "Memorial to Animals" was ever built :shrug:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/gEe9AL.jpg
lapl

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8965651)
:previous:

e_r and Hoss, I can't find anything further about the memorial; but I can note that the LA Times, in its couple of articles about the model for the memorial, has the artist's name wrong. It's Helen Lundeberg (not "Helen Lundburg").

Here's the Wikipedia entry on this interesting artist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Lundeberg



Here an excerpt from a 1965 oral history interview with the artist Helen Lundeberg.

There's a question mentioning "fire engines" (there's one on the left side of the model) and "animal memorial".

She replies that mural project was "never carried out".


https://i.imgur.com/yPBXBKR.jpg
aaa.si.edu

Noir_Noir Jun 28, 2020 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDiH (Post 8965704)
How does one access these documents?



You go to the LADBS Online Building Records Search page -


http://ladbsdoc.lacity.org/idispublic/


and search to your heart's content. :)

ethereal_reality Jun 29, 2020 1:31 AM

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Here's an interesting snapshot showing a large billboard for Max Barish Chrysler - Plymouth located at 444 So. So. LaBrea Ave.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/B4E17O.jpg
eBay

As you can see the Mona Lisa restaurant is next door. I believe this is the Wilshire Blvd. location.


The back of the photograph is stamped with a date. March 3, 1956.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/GShPkR.jpg


Max Barish has been briefy mentioned here and here . . but so far we haven't seen a photograph of his S. LaBrea dealership. (unless I missed it somehow)

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BDiH Jun 29, 2020 1:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8965745)
You go to the LADBS Online Building Records Search page -


http://ladbsdoc.lacity.org/idispublic/


and search to your heart's content. :)

Thanks very much.

ethereal_reality Jun 29, 2020 1:58 AM

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A mystery location.


This snapshot shows two "hostesses" entering the Samoa Ballroom. [May 1970]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/4Re9J4.jpg
eBay

The seller doesn't specifically say this is Los Angeles but to me it has a L. A. feel to it. (and if I'm not mistaken there is a Samoa Avenue in Los Angeles)



Let's take a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/XDR2YY.jpg
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hmmm perhaps that's just one hostess (and one client) ...................................... :previous: note the blade sign advertising "Hostesses".



update:
There is a Samoa Ave.GSV but it's way up in Tujunga.
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CityBoyDoug Jun 29, 2020 2:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 8960980)
The large house at the top of the hill was called the Alta Pines and it was at 2608 N. Eastern Avenue. It was a residence and a tea room operated by Mrs. Louise Threlkeld.

https://i.imgur.com/KOWJ2ta.jpg
1932 CD via lapl.org



There you can see it. Many LA restaurants had rabbit dinners when I was a kid. I also lived on a farm in San Fernando where my caretakers raised rabbits and we had rabbit all the time. I can also remember rabbit in the meat departments of the markets in LA but no more. What happened? Rabbit is very good and a lot less fat than the Colonel's greasy chicken.

BBQ Rabbit..........mm good.

https://paleogrubs.com/wp-content/up...it-800x420.jpg

odinthor Jun 29, 2020 5:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8965822)
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A mystery location.


This snapshot shows two "hostesses" entering the Samoa Ballroom. [May 1970]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/4Re9J4.jpg
eBay

The seller doesn't specifically say this is Los Angeles but to me it has a L. A. feel to it. (and if I'm not mistaken there is a Samoa Avenue in Los Angeles)



Let's take a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/XDR2YY.jpg
detail

hmmm perhaps that's just one hostess (and one client) ...................................... :previous: note the blade sign advertising "Hostesses".



update:
There is a Samoa Ave.GSV but it's way up in Tujunga.
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e_r, here's a (feeble) start: It was "downtown":

https://i.postimg.cc/wT0dWj9T/Samoa-LAT-11-24-69.jpg
LA Times, 11/24/1969

*****

Edit Add:

Ah, here we go:

https://i.postimg.cc/sgvbwPnw/Samoa-LAT-7-21-68.jpg
LA Times, 7/21/1968

*****

Edit Add No. 2:

The form of the blade sign has been maintained; and the semicircular feature over the (former) door is still there:

https://i.postimg.cc/BbSVD2L5/Samoa-GSV.jpg
gsv

CaliNative Jun 29, 2020 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8965826)
There you can see it. Many LA restaurants had rabbit dinners when I was a kid. I also lived on a farm in San Fernando where my caretakers raised rabbits and we had rabbit all the time. I can also remember rabbit in the meat departments of the markets in LA but no more. What happened? Rabbit is very good and a lot less fat than the Colonel's greasy chicken.

BBQ Rabbit..........mm good.

https://paleogrubs.com/wp-content/up...it-800x420.jpg

What does rabbit taste like? Any answer except "just like chicken" is Ok. I've never had it but am curious to try it. Also never had venison or goat or horse except possibly in a burger that had a different flavor. I've also never eaten grasshoppers or crickets or any other insects but they are popular in some cultures. I do wish people would refrain from eating bats--look at all the problems that has caused.

GaylordWilshire Jun 29, 2020 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8965806)
.

Here's an interesting snapshot showing a large billboard for Max Barish Chrysler - Plymouth located at 444 So. So. LaBrea Ave.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/B4E17O.jpg
eBay

As you can see the Mona Lisa restaurant is next door. I believe this is the Wilshire Blvd. location.


Here's the Mona Lisa building from the east (from my Wilshire After Its Houses survey):

https://i.postimg.cc/br4V823Q/WBMona...tcbldg-bmp.jpg


and an interesting colorized version of the other end:

https://i.postimg.cc/bJcQz9hY/WBcolo...shsign-bmp.jpg
Pinterest/Bizarre Los Angeles



Max Barish (left)

https://i.postimg.cc/yNqMz2kD/maxbar...dealer-bmp.jpg
Per the LAPL: "Photograph caption dated April 30, 1958 reads, "Newest Valley automotive dealer is Barish Chrysler Imperial Agency at 5109 Van Nuys Blvd. Opening tomorrow, Barish Chrysler is one of few dealerships in America awarded Chrysler's 'Quality Dealer' emblem. From left are Max Barish, Howard 'Bud' Barish, president; Marvin Donelly, manager. New, modern facilities have nearly 25,000 square feet and addition to new cars will offer large stock of top quality trade-ins." (The car they're behind is a '57 Chevrolet...and it looks like there's now a Burger King at 5109 Van Nuys Blvd.)



Max with his wife Etta, from a very interesting article from Forward recounting Max's response to the infamously anti-semitic Henry Ford:

https://i.postimg.cc/PxdrdCPv/maxbarishpic2nd-bmp.jpg



444 S La Brea today--remodeled façade but you can seem the classic arched-roof of a car dealer....

https://i.postimg.cc/m2cRfvbs/maxbarish444-bmp.jpgGSV



Late '50s Chrysler and Plymouth logos flanking his name...

https://i.postimg.cc/8CZnCCHn/maxbar...cframe-bmp.jpg
Pinterest

transitfan Jun 29, 2020 1:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8964681)
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Thanks for the information on the SST CaliNative and Hoss. I always appreciate it.





To be honest I was never as enamored with the SST as I was with the Boeing 747. (I was born in 1960 so all these innovations occurred when I was a kid)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/3FUuZ5.jpg
pinterest (sucks). I never found the original source

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/uF7gKS.jpg



re: Growing up in the 1960s.

I wanted to be an astronaut but that didn't work out.

I should have aimed a little lower. lol


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Hmm, National Airlines was gone by 1984, it merged with Pan Am in 1980. Probably Pan Am acquired the 747 (National did fly 747s in the early 70s, but by the time of the merger, I think their only widebodies were DC-10s)

Great pic of the AA 747 at LAX. My very first flight on a 747 was on AA, San Juan to JFK in December 1973. I never did fly an AA 747 in or our of LAX, but I did fly them on TWA and United. The Queen of the skies! :D

odinthor Jun 29, 2020 2:11 PM

Though it's not the (never-built) piece we were discussing, this online booklet tells about and shows another mural ("History of Transportation") of Helen Lundeberg's in the same era and style which was brought to reality in Inglewood (and restored in 2007):

https://www.inglewoodpublicart.org/w...n-brochure.pdf

Here, from the above booklet, is a small piece of the very large mural:

https://i.postimg.cc/q7m61fjC/Lundeberg.jpg
from booklet linked above

Godzilla Jun 29, 2020 2:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8966048)


. . . . .


and an interesting colorized version of the other end:

https://i.postimg.cc/bJcQz9hY/WBcolo...shsign-bmp.jpg
Pinterest/Bizarre Los Angeles



Max Barish (left)

https://i.postimg.cc/yNqMz2kD/maxbar...dealer-bmp.jpg
Per the LAPL: "Photograph caption dated April 30, 1958 reads, "Newest Valley automotive dealer is Barish Chrysler Imperial Agency at 5109 Van Nuys Blvd. Opening tomorrow, Barish Chrysler is one of few dealerships in America awarded Chrysler's 'Quality Dealer' emblem. From left are Max Barish, Howard 'Bud' Barish, president; Marvin Donelly, manager. New, modern facilities have nearly 25,000 square feet and addition to new cars will offer large stock of top quality trade-ins." (The car they're behind is a '57 Chevrolet...and it looks like there's now a Burger King at 5109 Van Nuys Blvd.)



Max with his wife Etta, from a very interesting article from Forward recounting Max's response to the infamously anti-semitic Henry Ford:

https://i.postimg.cc/PxdrdCPv/maxbarishpic2nd-bmp.jpg



444 S La Brea today--remodeled façade but you can seem the classic arched-roof of a car dealer....

https://i.postimg.cc/m2cRfvbs/maxbarish444-bmp.jpgGSV



Late '50s Chrysler and Plymouth logos flanking his name...

https://i.postimg.cc/8CZnCCHn/maxbar...cframe-bmp.jpg
Pinterest




Quote:

MAX BARISH CHRYSLER PLYMOUTH, L.A., CA / Closed (195*-1995)
http://www.oneownercollectorcar.com/...a-licenese.jpg
Barish Chrysler Plymouth was located at 444 South La Brea Ave and later 401 S La Brea Ave, Los Angeles, California. This dealership was a long standing downtown dealership tracing back to the 1950s. By 1989, the downtown L.A.area had become somewhat dangerous at night as evidenced by the April 21st hi-jacking of a demo car. The salesman vanished after taking the demo car out with a 'customer'. The 1989 Conquest driver was captured in Nebraska after a chase that reached 134 MPH. This prompted manager Bill Nelson to institute a buddy system for test drives. The dealership went out of business in 1995. http://www.oneownercollectorcar.com/...s-city-dealers

Of course, down the street, presumably before Mr. Barrish opened his La Brea dealership, was A.E Nugent.
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~originalhttps://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=34039





A lengthy list of Los Angeles dealers is here >> http://www.oneownercollectorcar.com/...s-city-dealers


It includes these La Brea addresses:

HOLMES TUTTLE FORD "AUTHORIZED FORD LEASING" 361 N. LA BREA
MURPHY OLDSMOBILE CO. 740 S. LaBrea Ave
Ferarr-Bach Pontiac was located at 200 South Le Brea Ave
Buick On La Brea-Metropolitan Auto Center was located at the old Metropolitan Auto Center location at 400 S La Brea Ave
Frank Sanders Oldsmobile was located at 740 S. La Brea Ave
Utter Pontiac Company was located 200 South LaBrea Ave.


One notable omission is Irv White Buick, and there are likely others.


More info on the general area, including a nursery:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=10734




https://repository.duke.edu/fcgi-bin.../0/default.jpghttps://repository.duke.edu/fcgi-bin.../0/default.jpg


https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/11179...-1/s-l1000.jpghttps://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/11179...-1/s-l1000.jpg

ethereal_reality Jun 29, 2020 6:07 PM

Mystery location solved.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/Fx6E0f.png
Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8965963)

Ah, so the Samoa was in Los Angeles. Good sleuthin' odinthor.

I'm a bit surprised the term "taxi dancer" was still in the L. A. Times' lexicon in the 1969. ... I always thought taxi dancers were from a much earlier era like the 1920s and 1930s.


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