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HossC Mar 30, 2020 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8879056)

I like this one:

The hamburger stand with police car and red Ford (?) truck nearby...can't make out what the sign atop the place says.

The building behind is The Monterey and to the left, I believe a hardware store. Then the winding road into the hills.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oBAfnwm8F...uf2qn26400.jpg

As Beaudry says, the hamburger joint is called 'Bark n Bite'. This shot with the lumber yard shows the area to the left of the image above (compare the houses in the background).

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...tereyCafe1.jpg
serendipitism.blogspot.com

And this one shows the sign for the Monterey Cafe as well as the lumber yard. The sign is behind the pole on the right in the picture above.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...tereyCafe2.jpg
serendipitism.blogspot.com

There are signs for 'Huntington Dr N' in several images (and I see that Lorendoc has given the addresses of two). This aerial from 1956 ties together the locations of the views above as well as a couple of the others. The street that passes Cozy Corner and Atlas Tires is Monterey Road, and the winding road is Edloft Avenue.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...tereyCafe3.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Lorendoc Mar 31, 2020 3:47 AM

more trove
 
ScottyB's Edward Hopper photo:

https://i.imgur.com/3ARTNVp.jpg
Beaudry's link above

amazingly still has the same font on the building's awning on S. Spring:

https://i.imgur.com/Cm4lljB.jpg
GSV

Once a parking lot, pretty much always a parking lot in DTLA.

odinthor Mar 31, 2020 4:01 AM

:previous:

Same light-string too, except they moved it from the parking lot to the building frontage.

ScottyB Mar 31, 2020 6:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 8879609)
ScottyB's Edward Hopper photo:

https://i.imgur.com/3ARTNVp.jpg
Beaudry's link above

amazingly still has the same font on the building's awning on S. Spring:

https://i.imgur.com/Cm4lljB.jpg
GSV

Once a parking lot, pretty much always a parking lot in DTLA.

Thanks for the follow-up Lorendoc! Great to see the letters are still there, and I think you're right about the lights, odinthor.....what a lovely relic.

ethereal_reality Mar 31, 2020 5:00 PM

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First of all, I'd like to thank Beaudry for bringing our attention to this treasure trove of remarkable photographs.



I have a couple areas in this photograph that intrique me.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/PP4VkG.jpg


#1

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/zjIvni.jpg
detail

I initially thought the sign was over the road (like a gate) but now I see that it's actually next to the road. Any idea what the sign says?
I'm also intrigued by the steps on the slope. Why do you think this spot was chosen for the steps. Is it a bus stop?

(there's a sign or a very LARGE mailbox at the top of the steps.





#2.....What, pray tell, is the tower with the [white] rounded top? To me it looks like a RADAR DOME.
If you look closely you can see the metal structure that holds it up. . but I can't decide if it's on top of the white building or behind it.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/I8QloJ.jpg
detail


I don't see it on the map that Hoss kindly labeled for us.

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Lwize Mar 31, 2020 5:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 8879609)
amazingly still has the same font on the building's awning on S. Spring:

https://i.imgur.com/Cm4lljB.jpg
GSV

A phone booth, with a phone and a handset?!

How old is this image? ;)

nadeau Mar 31, 2020 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8880041)
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First of all, I'd like to thank Beaudry for bringing our attention to this treasure trove of remarkable photographs.



I have a couple areas in this photograph that intrique me.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/PP4VkG.jpg


#1

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/zjIvni.jpg
detail

I initially thought the sign was over the road (like a gate) but now I see that it's actually next to the road. Any idea what the sign says?
I'm also intrigued by the steps on the slope. Why do you think this spot was chosen for the steps. Is it a bus stop?

(there's a sign or a very LARGE mailbox at the top of the steps.





#2.....What, pray tell, is the tower with the [white] rounded top? To me it looks like a RADAR DOME.
If you look closely you can see the metal structure that holds it up. . but I can't decide if it's on top of the white building or behind it.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/I8QloJ.jpg
detail


I don't see it on the map that Hoss kindly labeled for us.

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I’d like to guess that the thing that looks like a radar dome is a sign on the roof of the white building. It looks like it has an image of a person with a white apron. Sorry for my lack of ability to make a circle on the aerial, but I believe the white building with the sign is visible near the right center edge of the aerial. It looks like a building with lots of parking spaces around it, and you can see the semi-circular shadow of the sign. I’m unable to see the stairs in the aerial, but there is an abandoned railroad bed between lumber yard and Huntington Drive, so maybe it was freight and public transit at one time. Since the right of way is named after Huntington, that would make sense. For the period, it does seem odd that they would have discontinued that railroad, but I don’t see any tracks.

Martin Pal Mar 31, 2020 6:54 PM

Thanks Beaudry and HossC for all that additional information!

Bark n Bite...LoL! I love the close up...you can see a customer or two in the joint. The aerial pinpointing the locations is great.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorendoc (Post 8879609)
ScottyB's Edward Hopper photo
https://i.imgur.com/3ARTNVp.jpg

ScottyB, you are right about the photo's comparison to a Hopper painting. I love Hopper's work. FYI: Two of his paintings are recreated in the film Pennies from Heaven. One is the Nighthawks painting most people know, the other is this one which I saw in person once:

https://johngrecoblog.files.wordpres...pg?w=372&h=300

HossC Mar 31, 2020 9:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8880041)

#2.....What, pray tell, is the tower with the [white] rounded top? To me it looks like a RADAR DOME.
If you look closely you can see the metal structure that holds it up. . but I can't decide if it's on top of the white building or behind it.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/I8QloJ.jpg
detail


I don't see it on the map that Hoss kindly labeled for us.

That's McDonnell's Restaurant at 4700 Huntington Dr South.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...cDonnells1.jpg
serendipitism.blogspot.com

Here's a sugar wrapper (dated 1930).

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...cDonnells2.jpg
www.icollect247.com

And part of a menu.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...cDonnells3.jpg
toliveanddinela.com

The restaurant is visible on the far right of the aerial I posted yesterday. It's at the center of the detail on the right below. I believe that the 1927 detail on the left below shows the "Old Bridge" mentioned on the menu above.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...cDonnells4.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu/mil.library.ucsb.edu

ethereal_reality Mar 31, 2020 10:38 PM

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Oh my. . . :duh

What was I thinking?

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HenryHuntington Apr 1, 2020 4:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nadeau (Post 8880222)
I’d like to guess that the thing that looks like a radar dome is a sign on the roof of the white building. It looks like it has an image of a person with a white apron. Sorry for my lack of ability to make a circle on the aerial, but I believe the white building with the sign is visible near the right center edge of the aerial. It looks like a building with lots of parking spaces around it, and you can see the semi-circular shadow of the sign. I’m unable to see the stairs in the aerial, but there is an abandoned railroad bed between lumber yard and Huntington Drive, so maybe it was freight and public transit at one time. Since the right of way is named after Huntington, that would make sense. For the period, it does seem odd that they would have discontinued that railroad, but I don’t see any tracks.

Nadeau, you've pretty much nailed #1. The abandoned railroad right-of-way (also quite visible in Hoss's aerial photo) was the trunk line that carried PE's Nothern District lines to Pasadena, Sierra Madre and Glendora. Rail passenger service here was discontinued 1951 due to the conversion of Aliso St. (where these lines entered DTLA) to full freeway standards. These photos were taken about four years later, so the rails and wire had been removed but the right-of-way was still intact. Much of it eventually was paved over to widen traffic lanes on Huntington Dr.

P.S., While I'm here, thanks to Beaudry for sharing a great find!

ethereal_reality Apr 1, 2020 5:24 AM

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mystery location.

I recently happened upon this snapshot on eBay.

It shows a lonely bus stop at the Los Angeles City Limit.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/AhPWb3.jpg
eBay

I've been trying to make out the name of the motor lodge but it's next to impossible.


Here's a closer look at the sign and, what looks like, a gas station.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/7KtoPm.jpg
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and there's no name of the mail box. (clues are sparse)





The fairly nice building on the right [top photo] might possibly be the main building to the motor lodge.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/0onRfi.jpg
detail

And as you can clearly see. . . the photograph was taken when the population of Los Angeles was only 1,808,579.

Does this area look familiar to anyone?

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GaylordWilshire Apr 1, 2020 2:58 PM

:previous:

Well, I can't tell you where this was taken...but the population of the city in the 1950 US census was 1,970,358...so it may have been shot not long before that figure was arrived at (or until the sign was updated). Anyway, the car is a Mercury, either a '49 (intro in April 1948), a '50, or a '51, all of which used the same hood ornament. Here's one on a '51:

https://i.postimg.cc/65Rx45yV/51hood.jpg

ethereal_reality Apr 1, 2020 3:21 PM

:previous: Thanks GW. That's a start.





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When I first came across this amazing photograph I thought it was a hotel in Terre Haute, Indiana - when it fact - it is a photograph of the 'Terra Haute Hotel' in Los Angeles!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/HMgill.jpg
eBay

The long horizontal sign appears to have been white washed and it looks like the last word was "House" and not hotel. :shrug:

It also appears the hotel is for sale.




The seller included this. . .

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/q45qKG.jpg
eBay

"Old Terra Haute Hotel on E. 1st St. in Los Angeles. Owned by my uncle Oscar & Grubb in the 1880s & 90s.
My youngest brother and cousins Florence & Oscar were all born there.

Ed, 1887

Florence, 1888

Oscar, 1890"



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odinthor Apr 1, 2020 5:03 PM

:previous:


https://i.postimg.cc/MGsyWFK1/Terre-HLAT9-9-85.jpg
LA Times, 9/9/1885


https://i.postimg.cc/Njk6n03J/Terre-HLAT3-29-87e.jpg
LA Times, 3/29/1887


https://i.postimg.cc/T2BJLFj9/Terre-Hlacd1888.jpg
LA CD 1888


https://i.postimg.cc/hvQhRCf4/Terre-HHer3-20-05.jpg
LA Herald, 3/20/1905


This walk down First Street is interesting, and mentions the Terre Haute House in passing (sorry about the fragmentariness of the following):


https://i.postimg.cc/MZfyStkj/1st-St-Her3-1-89a.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/bwgnTBn4/1st-St-Her3-1-89b.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/mrrH6yNk/1st-St-Her3-1-89c.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/zfPgmH0j/1st-St-Her3-1-89d.jpg
All the above fragments, LA Herald 3/1/1889

As to the Armstrong family mentioned in the above, methinks the writer got the given name of the pater familias wrong. According to my notes, there had indeed been a James Armstrong in old L.A.; but he was the commander of the Savannah out in San Pedro Bay during the Yankee onslaught in 1846. The head of the household with Pinky and Kate etc. however was Edward R. Armstrong, saloon keeper in L.A. in 1870 etc., born in New York ca. 1817.

HossC Apr 1, 2020 5:10 PM

:previous:

The 1886-1887 CD lists B H Harbert as proprietor of Terra Haute House at 125 & 127 E 1st Street. By 1888, Oscar E Grubb had taken over. He's still there in 1891, but the name has changed to Terra Haute Hotel and the address has become 227 E First Street. The last listing I found was 1895, when the name had reverted to Terra Haute House.

The 1887-1888 CD also lists the Terra Haute Dining Room (prop. E L Grubb) at 125 E First Street.

ethereal_reality Apr 1, 2020 5:11 PM

"Terre Haute House"

That explains the horizontal sign mystery. Mighty fine sleuthing, odinthor. :)

and thanks for the additional information, Hoss

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odinthor Apr 1, 2020 6:54 PM

Golly! I thought the address 127 E. 1st seemed familiar! That was in due course the location of the other Poodle Dog restaurant, discussed in message 53180. A number of unsavory incidents (thefts, shopgirl being beaten by employer because she dared to ask for her pay, structure found unsafe) happened at that address over the years.

HossC Apr 1, 2020 7:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8881249)

The last listing I found was 1895, when the name had reverted to Terra Haute House.

I carried on looking through the CDs, and found extra entries for Terra Haute House up until 1899 (for some reason they didn't show up in the search). Oscar E Grubb continues to be listed at 227 E 1st Street until 1906, but only as furnished rooms or lodgings - Terra Haute House is not mentioned.

In 1907, the Greater Los Angeles Hotel is listed at 227½ E 1st, while Oscar E Grubb has furnished rooms at 103 E 2nd Street.

I didn't search many CDs after this, but Oscar E Grubb turns up in the 1910 CD as an assembler at the Industrial Electric Co (815 S Spring Street) whilst residing in Ocean Park.

Martin Pal Apr 1, 2020 8:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8880878)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/0onRfi.jpg
detail

And as you can clearly see. . . the photograph was taken when the population of Los Angeles was only 1,808,579.

Does this area look familiar to anyone?

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Would the elevation of 320 ft. be any sort of a clue to finding the location? I'm assuming it's feet.


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