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ethereal_reality May 6, 2017 4:13 AM

odinthor, I thought you might like to see this postcard.

'Gold of Ophir' roses, Pasadena 1902.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/P120IW.jpg
https://www.etsy.com/listing/2323109...902?ref=market

I wasn't familiar with 'Gold of Ophir' roses, so I did some googlin' and found...

"Rose Bush at Horatio Rust Residence, South Pasadena, California, about 1890."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/U31BEi.jpg
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/13030/kt0p3023t5/

I'm guessing the gentleman on the right is Mr. Rust.


odinthor's book(s) on roses:
http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/books.html

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...924/3YKVrv.jpg

ProphetM May 6, 2017 4:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyndihdz (Post 7791531)
Let me try this one more time...not only is my camera gone, my phone is going bonkers....https://flic.kr/p/fchVFv........If this does not work i am very sorry, and very embarrassed...but i do appreciate the help. Thanks.

Cyndihdz, your abundance of ellipses instead of spaces are breaking your links. When you paste an address, put a space in afterwards. When you paste a web address the forum creates the link automatically, but it can only discern the end of a web address by the presence of a space, since URLs never have spaces. So in the quote above, the forum thinks "........If" is part of the web address and creates the link that way.

Apologies for the late entrance; I've been quite sick and have been catching up with the thread several pages at a time!

ethereal_reality May 6, 2017 4:46 AM

Here's one more etsy find for tonight.

"An original vintage black and white snapshot photo..1954"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...922/e2Pnoy.jpg
https://www.etsy.com/listing/4896172...h-santa-monica

Enjoy. :)
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tovangar2 May 6, 2017 5:32 AM

Griffith Observatory telescopes
 
I was trying to place where Lonnie Carey was posing. It looks like it was the east side of the lawn, but there isn't a telescope there anymore that I can see:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Rl...=w1182-h484-no
google 360

They recreated the famous one:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Nz...w=w672-h464-no
google maps

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/RA...=w1116-h527-no
"Rebel Without a Cause" (1955) Warner/First National

There were a lot of changes with the remodel. I was pained when the original front steps were removed for construction:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Or...g=w671-h485-no
cefali

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/SZ...g=w633-h494-no
amoroso

The replacement is somewhat faithful:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ky...=w1286-h590-no
google maps

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/mI...=w1355-h558-no
Rebel Without a Cause (1955) Warners/First National

1 Feb 1954:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NV...w=w660-h508-no
getty

odinthor May 6, 2017 1:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7796556)
odinthor, I thought you might like to see this postcard.

'Gold of Ophir' roses, Pasadena 1902.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/P120IW.jpg
https://www.etsy.com/listing/2323109...902?ref=market

I wasn't familiar with 'Gold of Ophir' roses, so I did some googlin' and found...

"Rose Bush at Horatio Rust Residence, South Pasadena, California, about 1890."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...923/U31BEi.jpg
https://calisphere.org/item/ark:/13030/kt0p3023t5/

I'm guessing the gentleman on the right is Mr. Rust.


odinthor's book(s) on roses:
http://web.csulb.edu/~odinthor/books.html

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...924/3YKVrv.jpg

<blush> Thanks! :cheers:

Right, 'Gold of Ophir', alias 'Fortune's Double Yellow', introduced 1844, gets enormous! It was popular in California, here in So Cal as well as in the Bay area and the mining country.

MichaelRyerson May 6, 2017 2:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7794842)

I assumed that we'd probably seen the Pickwick Apartments at 833 South Grand Avenue, but a search didn't return anything. The 1908 CD lists the Butterfield & Kilbourne Hotel Co (G T and Mrs C A Butterfleld, Mrs-Lucretia Kilbourne) at 833 S Grand Avenue, with the Pickwick Hotel & Apartments appearing in 1909. Here's the Pickwick on the 1910 Baist map.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
www.historicmapworks.com

Looking at the building records, I found a new build date of 1905 ...

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

... and a demo permit from 1982.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

Both from Online Building Records

The Pickwick appears to have been a bit camera-shy. This is the only picture I've found so far. It's dated circa 1905-07

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library




https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7292/8...4cfef2f4_o.pngNew street lights, 1957


5 July 1957. Forty-year-old globe street light standard in 800 block South Grand Avenue looking toward Eighth Street; Five-Globe Llewellyn in front of new mercury vapor lamp on west side Grand Avenue looking toward 9th street". Great shot of the elegant Five-Globe Llewellyn facing a thankless future with the Pickwick and Stillwell hotels looking on. The Pickwick is long gone but the Stillwell soldiers on with, I believe, the same blade sign in place. Notice too the exposed bricks in the roadway.

USC digital archive/Los Angeles Examiner Collection, 1920-1961

MichaelRyerson May 6, 2017 2:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 7794880)
Well, at least she wasn't ragging at the Rex Arms:

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psk1qofnbq.jpg

Kindergarten teacher, Helen Hulick a witness to a burglary, was given a five-day sentence and sent to jail for contempt for wearing pants to give her courtroom testimony. Los Angeles. 1938.

She returned for the next hearing properly attired.

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psdbgiko1c.jpg



https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5599/1...a6c8bbd0_b.jpgThe Helen Hulick Case, 1938


Wear slacks to court and go to jail.
On left, Helen Hulick poses in the slacks she wore to court. When she wore slacks to court again, Hulick was held in contempt, sent to jail and issued a dress. On right, Hulick and her attorney William Katz and notary Jeanette Dennis work on getting her released.

On Nov. 9, 1938, Helen Hulick, 28, wore slacks during a court appearance to testify against two men. Her case was rescheduled and Hullick was asked by Judge Arthur S. Guerin to next time wear a dress.

Hulick was quoted in the Nov. 10, 1938, Los Angeles Times saying, “You tell the judge I will stand on my rights. If he orders me to change into a dress I won’t do it. I like slacks. They’re comfortable.”

After Hulick’s next court appearance, the Nov. 15, 1938, Los Angeles Times reported:

In a scathing denunciation of slacks – which he prosaically termed pants–as courtroom attire for women, Municipal Judge Arthur S. Guerin yesterday again forbade Helen Hulick, 28, kindergarten teacher, to testify as a witness while dressed in a green and orange leisure attire.

Miss Hulick, who Thursday was ordered to return to court in a dress, was called to testify by Dep. Dist. Atty. Russell Broker against two [men] accused of burglarizing her home.

After she was sworn in as a witness, Judge Guerin stopped the proceedings and declared:

“The last time you were in this court dressed as you are now and reclining on your neck on the back of your chair, you drew more attention from spectators, prisoners and court attaches than the legal business at hand. You were requested to return in garb acceptable to courtroom procedure.

“Today you come back dressed in pants and openly defying the court and its duties to conduct judicial proceedings in an orderly manner. It’s time a decision was reached on this matter and on the power the court has to maintain what it considers orderly conduct.

“The court hereby orders and directs you to return tomorrow in accepted dress. If you insist on wearing slacks again you will be prevented from testifying because that would hinder the administration of justice. But be prepared to be punished according to law for contempt of court.”

Slack-shrouded Miss Hulick was accompanied by Attorney William Katz, who carried four heavy volumes of citations to appear in whatever dress she chose.

“Listen,” said the young woman, “I’ve worn slacks since I was 15. I don’t own a dress except a formal. If he wants me to appear in a formal gown that’s okay with me.

“I’ll come back in slacks and if he puts me in jail I hope it will help to free women forever of anti-slackism.”

The next day Hulick showed up in slacks. Judge Guerin beld her in contempt. Given a five-day sentence, Hulick was sent to jail.

The Los Angeles Times reported that during booking, “after being divested of her favorite garment by a jail matron and attired in a prison denim dress, Miss Hulick was released on her own recognizance after her attorney, William Katz, obtained a writ of habeas corpus and declared he would carry the matter to the Appellate Court.”

A Nov. 19, 1938, Los Angeles Times article reported that Judge Guerin’s contempt citation was overturned by the Appellate Division during a habeas corpus hearing. Hulick was free to wear slacks to court.

Credits: Andrew H. Arnott, left photo, and Gordon Wallace, right photo. Both images from the Los Angeles Times Photographic Archive/UCLA.


Scott Harrison, Framework, October 15, 2014, Los Angeles Times photo archive



https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3947/1...a43d3b83_b.jpgThe return of Helen Hulick, 1938


Of course, Hulick dressed up for a Jan. 17, 1939, followup court appearance.
Helen Hulick, kindergarten teacher, wearing a dress, ready to testify against burglary suspects. She was held in contempt when she showed up to testify wearing slacks. This photo was published in the Jan. 18, 1939, Los Angeles Times after Ms. Hulick had won the right to wear slacks (if she so desired) at the appellate level.

Credit: Gordon Wallace/Los Angeles Times Photographic Archive/UCLA

Judge Arthur S. Guerin passed away in 1962. After the above 1939 photo, there are no further mentions of Helen Hulick in the Los Angeles Times archives.

HossC May 6, 2017 4:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7795128)

Here's tonight's 'mystery' location.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/z261C6.jpg
"anonymous AP photo" / found on a French site

"Un mannequin fait la démonstration d’un «Aquaplane», qui fut exposé au congrès des inventeurs de Los Angeles le 5 décembre 1938."

So if that's the Edison Building in background on the right. What rooftop are the girl and her aquaplane on?

The Mayflower Hotel? ....the Library?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 7795247)

Yes, the Mayflower/Checkers one assumes, because the Library seems a little low (?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7796289)

Thanks t2. I think you're correct.

My only other choice was the roof of The California Club, but I think it's too low as well.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/xvtw6b.jpg
gsv

I think the Mayflower is the more likely location, although I also considered BIOLA.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4/LABiola1.jpg
Pinterest

This undated view (I'd guess late-20s) gives a better idea of the lines of sight, although you'll have to imagine the Edison building standing next to the Engstrum.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4/LABiola2.jpg
LAPL

tovangar2 May 6, 2017 5:50 PM

Aquaplane / Stillwell Hotel / 751 S Olive St
 
:previous:

I was also thinking of who would welcome such a stunt. The hotel may have been hosting some participants and/or attendees of the conference. I can't imagine BIOLA, The California Club or LAPL having any motive to offer their rooftops.


....................................................



The Stillwell blade sign is still there. Reworked a little to squeeze in the word "Hotel":

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Iq...A=w651-h622-no
gsv


.................................................................................


And on the other side of W 8th, between Grand and Olive is an interesting historic site:

"In July of 1909 'Heart of a Race Tout' - filmed in the drying yard of Chun Fon‘s Sing Kee Laundry- (on Olive between 7th and 8th St.) was released. Filmed in 1908, it was the first dramatic film entirely shot in California." -eric brightwell

Most of that block was cleared (including the filming site at No. 751 S. Olive) for The 8th and Grand Apartments, now complete:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/3n...w=w890-h585-no
google maps

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pn...A=w412-h516-no
baist 1910, plate 8 (detail)

Looking SW down Olive towards W 8th ca 1920 (that's the Elite Market building on the corner). The historic filming site is just out of shot to the right. The back and north side of the Stillwell Hotel are visible on Grand:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5V...g=w612-h499-no
lapl (detail)

LA really does need a Blue Plaque program. This site (on the right) couldn't be more anonymous:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Hz...=w1094-h589-no
gsv

HossC May 6, 2017 7:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7621038)

We've seen Julius Shulman pictures of Douglas Honnold designs in the past (e.g. here and here). This is "Job 1006: Douglas Honnold, Dunhill's (Beverly Hills, Calif.), 1951".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Getty Research Institute

It's obvious that Mr Shulman visited before the building had been completed. Maybe someone has interior or exterior pictures of the finished store.

The 1956 CD places Alfred Dunhill of London at 136 S Rodeo Drive.

I posted the picture above last November (the full post is here). If I'd continued looking, I'd have found that Julius Shulman had the interior or exterior pictures I wanted. There's only one of each, and they're in two different sets. The exterior shot "Job 1181: Douglas Honnold, Alfred Dunhill Shop (Beverly Hills, Calif.), 1951".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original

Getty Research Institute

The interior shot is "Job 1180: Douglas Honnold, Alfred Dunhill Shop (Beverly Hills, Calif.), 1951".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original

Getty Research Institute

My original post shows what's there now.

Tourmaline May 6, 2017 8:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7796928)
I posted the picture above last November (the full post is here). If I'd continued looking, I'd have found that Julius Shulman had the interior or exterior pictures I wanted. There's only one of each, and they're in two different sets. The exterior shot "Job 1181: Douglas Honnold, Alfred Dunhill Shop (Beverly Hills, Calif.), 1951".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original


Similar location featured in LIFE archives coverage of Beverly Hills 50th Anniversary TV show. ;) http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=35792

ethereal_reality May 7, 2017 12:45 AM

Thanks for the follow-up and views of the Griffith Observatory t2. (I loved that 2nd Gene Lester photo you found)

In this undated image the telescope pretty much matches the telescope in the Lester photograph.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/ZnvG6W.jpg
pinterest images but couldn't find the source

It has the same cement platform and stepping stool....but note the perimeter wall.

The wall is missing in the 1954 image :shrug: (show below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/FyG2bX.jpg
gene lester / getty images


update:
I just noticed there's a slight difference in the stepping stools as well. The stool in the black n' white photo has a cut-out arch(s) at the bottom.
____


p.s. I'm still trying to find the source of the B/W photo. (hopefully it will include a date)

ethereal_reality May 7, 2017 1:25 AM

Here's another rooftop 'mystery' from etsy.

"Four gymnasts eating a balanced meal. Los Angeles 1930"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/6szxVs.jpg
https://www.etsy.com/listing/2035406...=sr_gallery_11

If I'm not mistaken, the Oviatt Building clock tower is in the distance on the right.

Trouble is...I can't tell if they're on the Oviatt roof or a building near by.
__

they're eating spinach. ;)

CityBoyDoug May 7, 2017 1:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7797191)
Here's another rooftop 'mystery' from etsy.

"Four gymnasts eating a balanced meal. Los Angeles 1930"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/6szxVs.jpg
https://www.etsy.com/listing/2035406...=sr_gallery_11

If I'm not mistaken, the Oviatt Building clock tower is in the distance on the right.

Trouble is...I can't tell if they're on the Oviatt roof or a building near by.
__

they're eating spinach.(of course ;)

These guys are on the roof of the Los Angeles Athletic Club.

tovangar2 May 7, 2017 2:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7797160)
In this undated image the telescope pretty much matches the telescope in the Lester photograph.

It has the same cement platform and stepping stool....but note the perimeter wall.

The wall is missing in the 1954 image

I just noticed there's a slight difference in the stepping stools as well. The stool in the black n' white photo has a cut-out arch(s) at the bottom.
____


I though the color photo was on the east side of the lawn, but the B&W photo seems to be on the west side of the building. They're both gone now anyway. (there was something delightfully hokey about those chained step stools).

I've loved the Observatory since I first went there, at about age 8, on a school field trip.

Wig-Wag May 7, 2017 5:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7797160)
Thanks for the follow-up and views of the Griffith Observatory t2. (I loved that 2nd Gene Lester photo you found)

In this undated image the telescope pretty much matches the telescope in the Lester photograph.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/ZnvG6W.jpg
pinterest images but couldn't find the source

It has the same cement platform and stepping stool....but note the perimeter wall.

The wall is missing in the 1954 image :shrug: (show below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...924/FyG2bX.jpg
gene lester / getty images


update:
I just noticed there's a slight difference in the stepping stools as well. The stool in the black n' white photo has a cut-out arch(s) at the bottom.
____


p.s. I'm still trying to find the source of the B/W photo. (hopefully it will include a date)

]http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/...sjadtsgvg.jpeg

Just trying to save these folks from a bad sunburn.

Cheers,
Jack

Flyingwedge May 7, 2017 8:23 AM

Howell Terrace
 
Howell Terrace was the site of the Robert Henry Howell home at 1122 W. 7th Street (1892-1927) and the Howell Terrace
Apartments at 1124 W. 7th (1911-1971).

R. H. Howell came to Los Angeles in about 1887, living at 963 S. Hill Street, then at the Hollenbeck and St. Angelo Hotels
before building his home on 7th Street. Howell partnered with Robert L. Craig in the wholesale grocery business in 1888,
located in the newly built Howell Block at 132-34 S. Los Angeles Street, seen here c. 1892:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3tt0r6a5.jpg

October 1892 California Illustrated Magazine @ Google Books


Among the homes listed in the May 29, 1892, Los Angeles Times as under construction or almost so is "R. Howell,
West Seventh, $12,000." The 1893 City Directory is the first to show Howell in his new home:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9oqwj8jw.jpg

fold3.com


Howell's property extended from 7th to 8th Streets, just west of Bixel. On the 1910 Baist Map below, his house is
just to the left of the "ll" in Howell. Garland Avenue is at the left edge of the map:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psk7lishka.jpg

Historic Mapworks


His house is on the 1894 Sanborn Map, but it's rather faint, so here it is on the 1906 Sanborn, with 7th Street on the right
and 8th Street on the left. The garage in the rear was not there in 1894, nor were the four homes on 8th Street and the
stone retaining wall behind them:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psghltgykm.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL


The Howell home, 1122 W. 7th Street, 1898:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...x.jpg~original

00032565 @ LAPL


Here is the Howell home looking west from Broadway in 1907, under the red dot. That's our old friend the Westmoore
at the SW corner of 7th and Francisco in the upper right corner:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psfzjfzmcd.jpg

CHS-6056 at USCDL


The Howell Terrace Apartments, designed by John C. Austin and William C. Pennell, was built between the Howell home
and 7th Street. Here's the November 22, 1910, BP:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psi2vhfqas.jpg

LADBS


USC dates this photo c. 1930, but it looks like it may have been taken soon after the Howell Terrace Apts. was built.
We see some of the Howell home behind the apartment building:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psjl6cbsxy.jpg

EXM-P-S-LOS-ANG-CIT-BUI-123 @ USCDL


From the above photo, a close-up of the entrance archway:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...r.jpg~original


This is a close-up, through the trees, of the Howell home from the same photo:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4w5sk77x.jpg


I don't believe that the expansion of the Howell Terrace Apartments, foretold in this July 20, 1913, Los Angeles Times
article, ever occurred:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psqjwhefse.jpg

ProQuest via LAPL


The Howell Terrace looks the same on the 1914 Baist Map as it does here on the 1921 map, in front of the Howell home:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psjlaj4d1x.jpg

Historic Mapworks


I guess it's time we met Mr. Howell, whose talents were not limited to the grocery business. He eventually became a
director of Security National Bank:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psouh5azlx.jpg

As We See 'Em c. 1900 @ HathiTrust


Robert Henry Howell appears to have been very much a man of his time (and he wrote his lower-case p's weird):

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psbnojw87x.jpg

LADBS


Howell's time ended on June 19, 1919:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psngsq8ml0.jpg

July 29, 1919, Los Angeles Herald @ CDNC


Howell's widow, son, and widowed daughter were still living at 1122 W. 7th as of the 1923 City Directory; the demo permit
for the house is dated November 21, 1927. This photo is dated c. 1925; the Howell home is just to the right of the Don Lee
building, and the Howell Terrace Apartments is in front of the home:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psntvvzjgd.jpg

CHS-9068 @ USCDL


The demo permit for the Howell Terrace Apartments is dated February 22, 1971. On the 1972 aerial photo of the site,
the building's footprint looks freshly cleared. Here is the Howell Terrace on the 1964 aerial:

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psoi5os7qt.jpg

HistoricAerials


This is the GSV of the site of the Howell Terrace Apartments in February 2017.

Paul C. Koehler May 7, 2017 4:05 PM

Pacific Electric Building
 
I had many offices in this building during the 1960's 70's & 80's. At no time during my time in the building was there a roof garden. There was a heliport which I have used on several occations. The new owners must have taken down the heliport and re-constructed the gardens.

Paul

Paul C. Koehler May 7, 2017 4:26 PM

This is the Alhambra Street Roundhouse located at The Los Angeles General Shops, located across the river from LAUPT. It was the roundhouse for all Steam Passenger Power, freight power was serviced at Taylor Roundhouse located about 3 miles north.

Paul

Paul C. Koehler May 7, 2017 6:01 PM

Post 4569
 
All of the vehicles located in this garage were movie prop rentals. One of the more enique ones was the three axel German staff car used in the opening seine of "Hogan's Heros". I got a tour sometime in the late 1970's, I don't know if they are still there.

Paul C. Koehler


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