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Noircitydame Feb 18, 2016 6:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7339517)
Two ads from the Herald Examiner, December 6, 1921.


I don't believe we've visited these two places on NLA. The Sunset Inn and the Rainbow Tavern.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...921/rG5UTK.jpg
old file

I thought Noircitydame might have some further information up her sleeve. ;)

I wonder what the Fotoplayer's Frolic was all about? (silent film stars singing & dancing perhaps....it would have been so great to see that!)


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If any of you men about noirish-town are going to the Fotoplayer's Frolic, better rent your tuxedos now before all the white waistcoats are snapped up. See Jack Bean, old bean. They say Norma Talmadge is still looking for one of her garters from last week.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...belle/1921.jpg lat dec 1921

Fotoplaer's Frolic: it was their weekly dance contest- stars attended, some as contestants and usually had a headliner celebrity "guest of honor."

I don't know Rainbow Tavern but Wade McFadden was the 1st manager (skipper?) of the Ship Cafe at Venice and took it back over again for a little while in 1925.

The Sunset Inn in your ad of 1921 E-R must be the one on the pier that had been Nat Goodwin's cafe, opened May 30, 1913. Lawyer Paul W. Schneck (partner of Baron Long) took it over, keeping the Goodwin name.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...obelle/nat.jpg file

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...atinterior.jpg file

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...mar%201917.jpg reference to Santa Monica's new no-dancing-in-cafes-that-serve-alcohol ordinance, Mar 1917. lat


Baron Long had a cafe called Sunset Inn in Santa Monica at the same time; it lost it's liquor license in Apr 1917, then he went in with Schneck and Nat's was renamed Sunset Inn. It closed for good after the summer season 1923 and the Fotoplayer's Frolic frolicking was transfered to the Plantation in Culver City. As a side note, Paul was the layer in the Madelynne Obenchin murder case, defended D.A. Asa Keyes in his bribery trial and represented Winnie Ruth Judd in her trunk murder trial. The old Nat Goodwin's/Sunset Inn was demolished in 1926.

Noircitydame Feb 18, 2016 7:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7331230)
The Rules on photos is still rather murky and not well understood. She should at least give you some credit for the photo use.

As I understand it, its generally OK to use photos, written quotes and short film clips for ''historic, educational and information'' purposes without violating copyright laws.

People get into hot water when they use someone's photos to gain income or money in some manner.....without permission.

I've been threatened several times on this issue. I do one of two things, I remove the photo or ignore the threat. Sometimes I apologize but that is very rare.

Personally I have never complained about someone using my photos...I feel its flattering that they would like it and they're welcome to it. Life is too short to get into a snit for nothing.

A photo is one thing, but someone routinely takes research from this site and puts it on his own, without credit, and creates the impression that it's his own work. The information I posted a couple of weeks ago about 335 N. La Brea for example is all there and he says "here's what I've been able to piece together..." Seriously? It's not cool.

Martin Pal Feb 18, 2016 8:45 AM

I don't believe we've seen this shot of the Coca Cola Building previously.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3410/3...48086766_b.jpgemd/flickr

Taken c. 1985

A year earlier they may have been bottling this:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6146/6...1b9e5895_b.jpgh d/flicker

GaylordWilshire Feb 18, 2016 1:57 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i.../steinbook.jpg


You're going to love this book.

I'm just finishing it... the story of our own William May Garland's granddaughter Jane is especially interesting. A little Sunset Boulevard by the sea.

When I was a magazine editor in the '80s I received galleys of Edie by Jean Stein--Jules's daughter--and went nuts. It's still one of my favorite books, one that captured an era. Stein employs the same compelling technique in West of Eden -- interviews of witnesses--to tell the LA story. Here we have Dohenys, Warners etc. Great book. Worth retail.

Ed Workman Feb 18, 2016 3:28 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;7339450]Somewhere in the vicinity of 2nd & Figueroa [1971]

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/xCOhyc.jpg
http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla....latimes%3A888

What's in the background...are they supports for the freeway? (but the date is 1971)

Those are precast Unicon elements for a parking structure
Perhaps the teamsters were complaining the delivery drivers were 'Not Their Kind'
They are about 9ft wide x 10ft tall x 65 ft long and were stacked to attain X stories, often alternated with infill cast in place slabs, the whole tied together vertically and horizontaally by post tensioned cables.
AAs the bases of the columns were only 10x10 inches some were damaged by the Northridge quake. Dunno how many are extant

ethereal_reality Feb 18, 2016 3:48 PM

:previous: Thanks for the information ED. A parking garage never occurred to me.
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I was really delighted you were able to dig up that mention of the 'Fotoplayer's Frolics' Noircitydame.
To be honest, I wasn't expecting anything to turn up.

ethereal_reality Feb 18, 2016 4:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7339038)
The original image has lots of cracks and marks in the sky which I've cleaned up.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...9.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

:previous: Excellent job Hoss!

This building needs to be refurbished asap. It really has strong vertical lines....I love it.
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ethereal_reality Feb 18, 2016 6:20 PM

Glendale then and now. ('now being 1922!)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/OMGb2C.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/ZNScyl.jpg
old file of mine / dated 2007


for search purposes: Brand Boulevard in 1905 and in 1922.

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ethereal_reality Feb 18, 2016 6:23 PM

[1886]
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...921/cjC85p.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...923/jqCx6P.png
old file / 2007

I think this might be the sanitarium where Mabel Normand died. Does anyone know?

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ethereal_reality Feb 18, 2016 6:31 PM

Here it is when it was the 75 room Glendale Hotel. -notice the square boxy structure to the left of the central tower is missing (it's visible in the 1922 photo above :previous:
I wonder if it was an elevator shaft added when it became a sanitarium? -just a guess mind you.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/2qofjS.jpg

from
http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=14989

revheavyg says it was located on what is now Broadway Avenue.
Can you imagine if it had been saved. What a magnificent show-piece for the City of Glendale.
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ethereal_reality Feb 18, 2016 6:48 PM

'mystery' location

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...924/LsvR7V.jpg
eBay

GaylordWilshire Feb 18, 2016 7:39 PM

:previous:


In the background is the Arwyn at the NW corner of Eighth and Manhattan...


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV

...which I'm sure we've seen on NLA before. The streetcar is making its loop at Eighth and Western.

Martin Pal Feb 18, 2016 7:49 PM

Here's a snapshot from Hollywood Blvd. at holiday time and, yes, we've seen this Coffee Dan's
many times before, but this is the first I've seen it with this particular signage.

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p...fc097a3f45.jpgVicky Valentine

Vicky writes, "Coffee Dan's, my hangout before high school. 1966-68."
She indicates she and her friend's referred to it as "C.D.'s."

(If anyone's adept at brightening/livening up this photograph...thank you!)

HossC Feb 18, 2016 8:00 PM

:previous:

Here's a quick attempted at evening up the levels.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...eDansFixed.jpg


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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7340562)

In the background is the Arwyn at the NW corner of Eighth and Manhattan...

...which I'm sure we've seen on NLA before. The streetcar is making its loop at Eighth and Western.

GW beat me to it. We have been here several times before - here's a reminder of how the intersection looked in 1931.

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6335401)


GaylordWilshire Feb 18, 2016 8:15 PM

:previous:


Interesting-- I forgot about the Beverly Arms-- in ER's color view, I was at first seeing the octagonal Standard station office as the corner of a two-story building....


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-g...2520PM.bmp.jpg

HossC Feb 18, 2016 8:25 PM

I think this is going to be the last Stiles Oliver Clements design for a while - the Getty Library search seems to group them together. This Julius Shulman photoset shows the Signal Oil and Gas Company Building. It's "Job 239: Stiles Oliver Clements, Signal Oil and Gas Company Building (Los Angeles, Calif.),1948".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

I can just make out the number 1221 on the door in this shot, even though it's not visible in the image above.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

Both from Getty Research Institute

Looking through the 1956 CD, I found Signal Oil Company offices at 1221 S Western Avenue. Although the frontage has lost a lot of glass, I was pleased to see the building still standing.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
GSV

Here's an angled view to finish.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
GSV

MartinTurnbull Feb 18, 2016 9:18 PM

Photos of the Garden of Allah model
 
[QUOTE=Martin Pal;7339173]I discovered where and what this statue is.

The area in question is the Southwest corner of Sunset Blvd. and Crescent Heights.
It is where the famous "Garden of Allah" was located. In the photo below it is where
you see the red-roofed buildings and swimming pool amongst the trees. The Chateau
Marmont is the prominent building on the left.


I once read that there used to be a model of The Garden of Allah hotel on display outside
the bank beneath a glass bubble, which eventually moved inside the bank. Indeed, I even
ventured into the bank once and asked about it to the blank stares of everyone in the place.
It seems it had...disappeared, until Martin Turnbull discovered it again and posted about it.
His post is HERE, but the pictures have disappeared. (Can you repost them, again Martin?)


Sure thing. Here is a sample of 5 photos I took that day:

http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...goamodel03.jpg

http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...goamodel16.jpg

http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...goamodel17.jpg

http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...goamodel27.jpg

http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...goamodel32.jpg

There are a lot more photos on my blog as well as some video footage I took that day:

https://martinturnbull.wordpress.com...l-scale-model/

And at the risk of incurring the Wrath of Khan, I also posted some photos on my website of the architectural model that He Who Shall Not Be Named has come up with for 8150 Sunset, the redevelopment of the Garden of Allah Hotel site:

http://www.martinturnbull.com/2016/0...-january-2016/

Earl Boebert Feb 18, 2016 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull (Post 7340717)
And at the risk of incurring the Wrath of Khan, I also posted some photos on my website of the architectural model that He Who Shall Not Be Named has come up with for 8150 Sunset, the redevelopment of the Garden of Allah Hotel site:

http://www.martinturnbull.com/2016/0...-january-2016/

My question is: are the places on the models where the exterior surfaces don't come together just poor model making or are they part of the design? With Gehry it's hard to tell.

Cheers,

Earl

Martin Pal Feb 19, 2016 12:19 AM

Thanks for adjusting the Coffee Dan's photo HossC.
Notice that the Hotel Christie aka Drake Hotel is now the Hollywood Inn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7340597)

And thanks for reposting the G of A model photos, MT
and...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 7340913)
My question is: are the places on the models where the exterior surfaces don't come together just poor model making or are they part of the design? With Gehry it's hard to tell.

Cheers,
Earl

...thanks for the laugh, Earl!

Martin Pal Feb 19, 2016 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7340639)
http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

Looking through the 1956 CD, I found Signal Oil Company offices at 1221 S Western Avenue. Although the frontage has lost a lot of glass, I was pleased to see the building still standing.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
GSV

This seems to be the case quite a bit...don't you feel many of these buildings that are still around have lost the glass because of earthquake fears, restrictions or retrofitting? Love the original look!


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