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JDRCRASH Mar 1, 2011 5:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5180931)
Give me the Roosevelt, or the Biltmore, or the Pantages, or Grauman's, or the Shrine... not this.

Because of the billboards? NY has theaters covered with them.

mdiederi Mar 1, 2011 7:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5180931)
Give me the Roosevelt, or the Biltmore, or the Pantages, or Grauman's, or the Shrine... not this.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...25649%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View

What you're showing there is a shopping mall, the front of the Kodak Theater is just barely visible at the very far left edge of the photo.

JeffDiego Mar 1, 2011 8:09 AM

Matchbook Covers
 
Loved the matchbook covers and noticed that "Patman's Drive-In" looked very much like a model for Mildred Pierce's place.

GaylordWilshire Mar 1, 2011 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDRCRASH (Post 5182648)
Because of the billboards? NY has theaters covered with them.

Exactly. Yes, I'm familiar with Times Square. All I can say is... I don't come to "Noirish Los Angeles" looking for ersatz versions of it... what's anybody doing here except lamenting the loss of the Hollywood Hotel etc etc etc?

GaylordWilshire Mar 1, 2011 4:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5182493)
R.I.P. Jane Russell

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/6...neoutlawth.jpg
Howard Hughes Productions


ethereal-- can't top that picture, but here are a few more:

http://jpg1.lapl.org/00083/00083250.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00083/00083250.jpg
Down in San Pedro, 1942


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics43/00041035.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics43/00041035.jpg
1952


http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...101-001~1?v=hr
USCDL http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...101-001~1?v=hr
1954


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00082/00082751.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00082/00082751.jpg
Odd couple? With the Hostess with the Mostess, Perle Mesta, at the
Beverly Hilton, 1957. (Turns out that they were both adoption advocates.)


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00082/00082756.jpgLAPL http://jpg1.lapl.org/00082/00082756.jpg
With her brother Jamie, a film editor, 1960


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071956.jpgLAPL http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071956.jpg
With first husband, football player Bob Waterfield (UCLA and the Rams), 1963

gsjansen Mar 1, 2011 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5182043)
Before the Wilshire Grand, the Statler-Hilton, the Statler, before Hoffman Studebaker... I've discovered that there was Harold Arnold. Mr. Arnold built the Arnold Building at Figueroa and 7th, selling Hudson and the Hudson's cheaper companion, the Essex, as well as, at some point, Lincoln. Paul Hoffman later took the building over to sell Studes....

The Arnold Building, ca. 1922
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067437.jpgLAPL http://http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067437.jpg


As Hoffman Studebaker, now much be-signed, a picture we've seen before
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics08/00013931.jpg

According to the LAPL, whose photo captions I try not to let test my patience, the Arnold/Hoffman building "served
as the framework for the Statler Hotel in 1951." Surely they don't mean literally.... I'm sure we've seen this lot in prior
pics here cleared of all traces of the car dealership....

it sure looks like they're demo-'ing the whole car joint in this photo

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...G-STA-002?v=hr

how'd they display the cars in the showroom with all those dayum columns in the way anyhow?!!??

gsjansen Mar 1, 2011 6:17 PM

├ęsta es la ciudad Nueva York. cuando las cosas salen de la mano, voy a trabajar. llevo una divisa

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5219/...d47125f0_o.jpg
Source: Dr Marco movie star pages

i've heard of something getting lost in the translation, but dragnet in nyc???!!?? sacrilegious!

malumot Mar 1, 2011 6:38 PM

The Kodak
 
But I think that's the point in a nutshell....

".....barely visible....."

The Biltmore, Roosevelt, Shrine, et. al. are landmarks.

The Kodak is wedged, mid-block, into a shopping mall. Which is itself indistinguishable from, say, Universal Citywalk - as if a chunk of it broke off, rolled down Cahuenga Pass and came to a stop at the corner of Hollywood & Highland.

http://themerica.org/blog/wp-content...niversal70.jpg





Quote:

Originally Posted by mdiederi (Post 5182728)
What you're showing there is a shopping mall, the front of the Kodak Theater is just barely visible at the very far left edge of the photo.


gsjansen Mar 1, 2011 7:00 PM

a 1905 image of angels flight when it was closed to reconstruct the tracks so that became elevated above clay street.

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics18/00008539.jpg
Source: LAPL

on the right the McCoy house is still located on the North West corner of Hill and third, prior to being relocated up the hill to the North West corner of Clay and 3rd

gsjansen Mar 1, 2011 7:18 PM

1928 image looking north west from the First National Bank building tower on the northeast corner of Highland Avenue and Hollywood Blvd. if you look to the left of center, you can see the outpost sign

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071625.jpg
Source: LAPL

the lower left of the photograph is where the hollywood highland center is today, the Kodak theater will be at the far left of the photograph

in this 1905 photo looking south east from Franklin Avenue near Orange Drive, the 1st phase of the Hollywood Hotel is on the far left of center. Hollywood High school is the white building above center. Grauman's Chines Theater will be located where the white house is just right of center.

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics44/00071605.jpg
Source: LAPL

The same view taken in the early 20's before the Chinese Theater was constructed

http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics39/00039315.jpg

Source: LAPL

in this 1908 view looking north from Hollywood High School at the Hollywood Hotel, the west wing has been completed. Today, (if this view was possible), this would be looking directly at the Hollywood Highland Center complex. The Kodak Theater will be where the tower on the left is located

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00011997.jpg
Source: LAPL

GaylordWilshire Mar 1, 2011 9:00 PM

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...L-MIS-008?v=hr USCDL (and gsjansen:D)

Call me reactionary if you want, but even this, which we might be able to enjoy for some Mid-Century appeal, would be preferable to the junkheap
currently on the NW corner of Hollywood and Highland. While I can't find any comprehensive shots of what was actually in place after the old
Hollywood Hotel, I'm not so sure that whatever was there might not have been preferable to the junkheap. Can anyone find shots of the corner
after Mira Hershey's legacy buildings were demolished?



http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012574.jpg LAPL
1940


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012579.jpgLAPL
1947


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics50/00044828.jpgLAPL
A great night shot, with a '56 Oldsmobile in front.


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00012000.jpgLAPL



Quote:

Originally Posted by malumot (Post 5183125)
But I think that's the point in a nutshell....

".....barely visible....."

The Biltmore, Roosevelt, Shrine, et. al. are landmarks.

The Kodak is wedged, mid-block, into a shopping mall. Which is itself indistinguishable from, say, Universal Citywalk - as if a chunk of it broke off, rolled down Cahuenga Pass and came to a stop at the corner of Hollywood & Highland.


Thanks, malumot: You've stated it much more clearly than apparently I was able to.... It does indeed look as though a piece of something rolled down through the Pass and settled as an irreparable pile of junk on Hollywood Boulevard.... To quote Gebhard and Winter: "The tedium is relieved only by...details from D.W. Griffith's famous set for Intolerance splashed around. Unfortunately some rearing elephants and an Assyrian gate do not raise the building out of the cheap and tawdry." 'Nuff said.

GaylordWilshire Mar 1, 2011 10:42 PM

H O L L Y W O O D in dots and dashes
 
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_i90_v6awmP...od_CA_1971.jpg vintagechromes.blogspot.com


http://roseandchang.com/hot/23.jpg roseandchang.com


http://theexcellentpeople.files.word...pg?w=640&h=429 Julius Shulman http://artsmeme.com


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics50/00059891.jpg LAPL
With DeMille's barn, 1980


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics20/00029570.jpg LAPL


I once read that the beacon atop the Capitol Records Building blinked Morse Code for H O L L Y W O O D all night long....

JeffDiego Mar 2, 2011 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5183356)
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...L-MIS-008?v=hr USCDL (and gsjansen:D)

Call me reactionary if you want, but even this, which we might be able to enjoy for some Mid-Century appeal, would be preferable to the junkheap
currently on the NW corner of Hollywood and Highland. While I can't find any comprehensive shots of what was actually in place after the old
Hollywood Hotel, I'm not so sure that whatever was there might not have been preferable to the junkheap. Can anyone find shots of the corner
after Mira Hershey's legacy buildings were demolished?
Gaylord: I'm looking forward to any photos at what was at the NW corner of Highland and Hollywood. I lived in LA in the 70's, and my memory is that there was an ugly eyesore of a 60's high-rise bank bldg. there. Not too dissimilar to the one in the architect's drawing of a proposed new "Hollywood Hotel" you show. That tacky bank bldg. was even worse than the present-day "complex."
I went into the bank bldg. once because it was where Homer Tobermann (spelling?), early Hollywood developer, kept his huge file of old Hollywood photographs, and I got to look through the file.
Oh, the original Hollywood Hotel - such an old, and a bit shabby, beauty. Another priceless historical treasure, Gone with the wind.




http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012574.jpg LAPL
1940


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics06/00012579.jpgLAPL
1947


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics50/00044828.jpgLAPL
A great night shot, with a '56 Oldsmobile in front.


http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics04/00012000.jpgLAPL






Thanks, malumot: You've stated it much more clearly than apparently I was able to.... It does indeed look as though a piece of something rolled down through the Pass and settled as an irreparable pile of junk on Hollywood Boulevard.... To quote Gebhard and Winter: "The tedium is relieved only by...details from D.W. Griffith's famous set for Intolerance splashed around. Unfortunately some rearing elephants and an Assyrian gate do not raise the building out of the cheap and tawdry." 'Nuff said.

Gaylord: I'm looking forward to any photos at what was at the NW corner of Highland and Hollywood. I lived in LA in the 70's, and my memory is that there was an ugly eyesore of a 60's high-rise bank bldg. there. Not too dissimilar to the one in the architect's drawing of a proposed new "Hollywood Hotel" you show. That tacky bank bldg. was even worse than the present-day "complex."
I went into the bank bldg. once because it was where Homer Tobermann (spelling?), early Hollywood developer, kept his huge file of old Hollywood photographs, and I got to look through the file.
Oh, the original Hollywood Hotel - such an old, and a bit shabby, beauty. Another priceless historical treasure, Gone with the wind.

GaylordWilshire Mar 2, 2011 2:28 AM

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...40-3-ISLA?v=hr
USCDL

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...rd00712_fr.jpg
cardcow.com


Jeff: Was this the bank? I dunno... I'm kind of liking it.


Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 5183633)
Gaylord: I'm looking forward to any photos at what was at the NW corner of Highland and Hollywood. I lived in LA in the 70's, and my memory is that there was an ugly eyesore of a 60's high-rise bank bldg. there. Not too dissimilar to the one in the architect's drawing of a proposed new "Hollywood Hotel" you show. That tacky bank bldg. was even worse than the present-day "complex."
I went into the bank bldg. once because it was where Homer Tobermann (spelling?), early Hollywood developer, kept his huge file of old Hollywood photographs, and I got to look through the file.
Oh, the original Hollywood Hotel - such an old, and a bit shabby, beauty. Another priceless historical treasure, Gone with the wind.


sopas ej Mar 2, 2011 2:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5180931)
Give me the Roosevelt, or the Biltmore, or the Pantages, or Grauman's, or the Shrine... not this.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...25649%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View

Amen to that. 10 years ago when news came out that the Oscar ceremony would have a "permanent" home (in reality a 20 year lease) at a theater built specifically for holding the Academy Awards, I assumed it would be a huge theater to accommodate all Academy members. But the Kodak Theatre actually seats only a few hundred more people than the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion, a venue that has actually hosted the most Academy Awards ceremonies to date. It made more sense to hold them at the Shrine Auditorium, being that that place seats about 6,200 people or something, and Academy membership is about 6,000. The Shrine is a very elegant place, too, and old/historic, though in a not so elegant neighborhood. IMO the least elegant theater the Oscars were held at has to be the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium; though a great example of "Atomic Age" mid-20th Century architecture, the theater space is very plain and utilitarian, being that it was designed as a multi-purpose center.

Speaking of Grauman's and Jane Russell:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5...lynandjane.jpg
Life

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdiederi (Post 5182728)
What you're showing there is a shopping mall, the front of the Kodak Theater is just barely visible at the very far left edge of the photo.

And actually, the physical theater itself is way inside the block, being that what fronts the sidewalk is a square arch which leads to shops and the staircase that leads up to the actual theater.

Somewhat fitting for today's Hollywood "celebs," holding the Oscars at a shopping mall.

sopas ej Mar 2, 2011 2:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 5183633)
Gaylord: I'm looking forward to any photos at what was at the NW corner of Highland and Hollywood. I lived in LA in the 70's, and my memory is that there was an ugly eyesore of a 60's high-rise bank bldg. there. Not too dissimilar to the one in the architect's drawing of a proposed new "Hollywood Hotel" you show. That tacky bank bldg. was even worse than the present-day "complex."
I went into the bank bldg. once because it was where Homer Tobermann (spelling?), early Hollywood developer, kept his huge file of old Hollywood photographs, and I got to look through the file.
Oh, the original Hollywood Hotel - such an old, and a bit shabby, beauty. Another priceless historical treasure, Gone with the wind.

I thought that bank building was an eyesore too. I was glad to see it demolished in the late 1990s, in conjunction with the construction of the Red Line subway extension. By then the building was totally run down and had a rusty, water-stained look to it. In the mid-90s, the ground floor had a cheap sporting goods store, I don't remember the name of it; in my days as a TV production assistant back in the mid-90s, I went there with another PA to look for props.

Beaudry Mar 2, 2011 4:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 5183633)
Gaylord: I'm looking forward to any photos at what was at the NW corner of Highland and Hollywood. I lived in LA in the 70's, and my memory is that there was an ugly eyesore of a 60's high-rise bank bldg. there. Not too dissimilar to the one in the architect's drawing of a proposed new "Hollywood Hotel" you show. That tacky bank bldg. was even worse than the present-day "complex."
I went into the bank bldg. once because it was where Homer Tobermann (spelling?), early Hollywood developer, kept his huge file of old Hollywood photographs, and I got to look through the file.
Oh, the original Hollywood Hotel - such an old, and a bit shabby, beauty. Another priceless historical treasure, Gone with the wind.

Here's another 'un --

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5051/...b3688dbf_o.jpg

sopas ej Mar 2, 2011 5:00 AM

:previous:
Wow, what a beaut! And look what's playing at the Chinese, "The World of Suzie Wong," with Nancy Kwan and Bill Holden.

Is Nancy Kwan the actress who "enjoys being a girl"?

Beaudry Mar 2, 2011 5:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5183736)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5177/...e460e44e_o.jpg

You know what? I'm digging it too. This is C E Toberman's last Hollywood subdivision. The cornerstone was laid Jan 57 and it opens on Toberman's birthday (Feb 23) in 1959. The architects -- Austin Field and Fry http://www.you-are-here.com/modern/cincinnati.html -- used, for the first time anywhere in a structure of this height, lightweight concrete precast panels. The building also used lots of glass mosaic tile from Italy. It was in front of First Federal Loan, during its construction, in 1958, that the first eight stars of the Walk of Fame were placed.

JeffDiego Mar 2, 2011 5:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5183736)

Gaylord and Beaudry: We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Ha! To me, the bldg. is a monstrosity. It's interesting that it went up as Hollywood Blvd. and surrounding area were going into seedy decline. There were probably many who thought that modernization with bldgs. like this were the answer to Hollywood's problems. Same time that Bunker Hill was being bulldozed.
The photos though, as usual, are excellent. Thanks.
I believe that C.E. Toberman was the founder of First Federal savings.
This "headquarters" bldg. is a perfect example (again. my opinion) of the typical developer's attitude at its height in the 50's through the 70's: "If it's old, it's unwanted junk and get rid of it, if it's new, modern and "up to date" it's great."
Wonder if anyone has a photo of an interesting bldg. I remember near Grauman's Chinese. It was a "1920's Oriental" style apartment bldg. called the "Nirvana," and may still be there. It was on Orchid Avenue, I believe, north of Hollywood Blvd. near Franklin, and had supposedly been financed by silent screen actress Anna Mae Wong. Also nearby was (is?) the wonderful Mission Revival house that became the Cinemotographer's bldg.


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