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ethereal_reality Sep 7, 2012 4:13 AM

I've been trying to determine the exact location of this Department of Employment Building
In the distance, I've circled a rooftop sign that appears to read Hotel St. Paul*...but I'm not entirely sure.
(I can't read what it says on the tall building at right)


http://imageshack.us/a/img402/6391/a...ymentuscco.jpg
unknown/found on an old cd of mine

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below: Is this the same building that appears in the above photograph? If so the sign seems to be facing in an entirely different direction.

http://imageshack.us/a/img515/372/aa...otelstpaul.jpg


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MichaelRyerson Sep 7, 2012 12:12 PM

Great job Prophet but then again...
 
it's getting to be a habit to congratulate you for such things! I suppose it's just an average day for a prophet. Thanks again. Great wrok.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProphetM (Post 5822675)
That right there is Main & 4th, Santa Ana.

Luckily, the building in the foreground is still there, looking pretty much the same!


GaylordWilshire Sep 7, 2012 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5822986)
I've been trying to determine the exact location of this Department of Employment Building
In the distance, I've circled a rooftop sign that appears to read Hotel St. Paul*...but I'm not entirely sure.
(I can't read what it says on the tall building at right)


*I just found this postcard on ebay.

below: Is this the same building that appears in the above photograph? If so the sign seems to be facing in an entirely different direction.

http://imageshack.us/a/img515/372/aa...otelstpaul.jpg

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I'm thinking maybe the rooftop sign in the postcard was "photoshopped" in for purposes of the artwork. Here's the St. Paul with its sign facing east:

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4520/stpaulhotel.jpgLAPL

Also note how the rear of the building is made to appear so much bigger in the pc--although I suppose it could have been added on to after the shot just above.

richardsonrt@csus.ed Sep 7, 2012 7:19 PM

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Originally Posted by richardsonrt@csus.ed (Post 5820218)
I'm new to this and don't know if I can link to a photo of mine on Facebook, but I'll try. My Great Grandfather was William Boardman Glidden and I have a brochure for his hotel. It's about 7" wide (unfolded) and 6.25" tall. I'm not sure when it was built nor when he sold it to H. H. Christie, but my aunt (his granddaughter) worked the switchboard there when she was in school--probably around 1918.

The Christie was built adjoining it on the left (east), the Glidden's architecture carried over to the first two floors of the Christie.

In this picture, looking SE on McCadden Place just north of Hollywood Blvd, you can see a bit of the Hotel Glidden in the distance. In the foreground is the El Rincon Apartments, also built by Glidden in about 1910.
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...43574406_n.jpg

Here's a screen shot from Google street view showing the same today: vacant lot where the Hotel Glidden once stood, the Hotel Christie adjoining it to the east.
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...21389772_n.jpg

Looking back to the NE at the El Rincon Apartments--a much better looking building back then than 100 years later. The young woman (in white dress) standing on the corner is my 1st cousin, 2x removed, Anita Sinclair. Her mother (Glidden's sister-in-law) managed the apartment.
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...88423866_n.jpg

Graybeard Sep 7, 2012 9:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richardsonrt@csus.ed (Post 5823689)
In this picture, looking SE on McCadden Place just north of Hollywood Blvd, you can see a bit of the Hotel Glidden in the distance. In the foreground is the El Rincon Apartments, also built by Glidden in about 1910.
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...43574406_n.jpg

Here's a screen shot from Google street view showing the same today: vacant lot where the Hotel Glidden once stood, the Hotel Christie adjoining it to the east.
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...21389772_n.jpg

Looking back to the NE at the El Rincon Apartments--a much better looking building back then than 100 years later. The young woman (in white dress) standing on the corner is my 1st cousin, 2x removed, Anita Sinclair. Her mother (Glidden's sister-in-law) managed the apartment.
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...88423866_n.jpg

She's almost invisible standing there.

rick m Sep 8, 2012 4:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5822976)
Has anyone noticed this type of sign in any of the old Bunker Hill photographs?

http://imageshack.us/a/img254/5982/aabunkerhillsign.jpg
found on ebay



below: a description from ebay.

http://imageshack.us/a/img827/6327/a...igninfoeba.jpg

For the life of me I can't figure out the purpose of this type of concrete 'sign'....was it embedded in pavement?

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Venturing a hypothesis that this concrete panel was emplaced within the surrounding property wall - ? at some point by city officialdom - and with the comment to any property owners to never paint over its surface if they happen to decide to apply a coat of paint to their stone walls. The Zahn family home stood at 427 So.Hope - wonder if ZN somehow was a designation /reference to their lot. BTW- am repeating my '05 BunkerHill slideshow (99 of 'em presented to me by Central LAPL) when I did a turn away crowd lunchtime event for Carolyn K.Cole. Will be at Larry Edmunds Bookshop @ 7 p.m. Sept 18th - Kudos to Jim Dawson for this ---

ProphetM Sep 8, 2012 4:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5823227)
it's getting to be a habit to congratulate you for such things! I suppose it's just an average day for a prophet. Thanks again. Great wrok.

LOL, thanks! It's the least I can do to help, after getting so many hours of enjoyment from all the wonderful posters to this thread! I don't have vintage pics or LA memories but my Google-Fu is finely honed. :haha:

Beaudry Sep 8, 2012 6:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5822986)
I've been trying to determine the exact location of this Department of Employment Building
In the distance, I've circled a rooftop sign that appears to read Hotel St. Paul*...but I'm not entirely sure.
(I can't read what it says on the tall building at right)


http://imageshack.us/a/img402/6391/a...ymentuscco.jpg
unknown/found on an old cd of mine

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*I just found this postcard on ebay.

below: Is this the same building that appears in the above photograph? If so the sign seems to be facing in an entirely different direction.

http://imageshack.us/a/img515/372/aa...otelstpaul.jpg


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You might've been having a bit of difficulty searching Department of Employment -- there were a number of them -- this was the Department of Unemployment, a wholly different agency.

The DoUe was at 525 S Flower, as such, the Richfield Bldg is just out of frame next door to the south (left). The DoUe was built in 1949, so, just up from its contemporary General Petroleum and soon to be joined by Superior Oil. Corporate Modern overtakes Art Deco!

The big bldg in the bg was the Architects Bldg, 1929. We always repeat that the Richfield was felled for the Arco Towers in the late 60s but it was in fact the whole block that got leveled, these characters included.

Of course, that guy over Unemployment's shoulder, the Carlton Hotel at 531 Figueroa, north of the Jonathan Club, is no longer with us, nor is the Hotel St Paul, John V Koester, 1927, that block bounded by 6th, Boylston, 5th and Bixel is now a big ol' parking lot. (Though the neighboring lot is now home to another piece of corporate high-modernism courtesy of the oil industry. Represent!)

MichaelRyerson Sep 8, 2012 3:28 PM

The birth of our 'only' cultural advantage...
 
In Annie Hall, Alvy Singer (played by Woody Allen) muses, 'I don't want to move to a city where the only cultural advantage is being able to make a right turn on a red light.' Now some of us, probably all of us, might take umbrage at Mr. Allen's breezy dismissal of our fair city and bid him well stay in a mecca of endless self-analysis and second-guessing. But as for that particular cultural advantage, here's the pic...

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8309/7...8b0b67be_o.jpg
City Employee Alex C. Fry puts up a new right turn traffic sign, 1946


Photograph. "Stop first! -- City Employee Alex C. Fry puts up a new right turn traffic sign. Now, right turns against the red light are permissible ONLY where these signs are displayed." -- Examiner clipping attached to verso, dated 8 February 1946

USCdigital archive/Los Angeles Examiner Prints Collection, late 1920's - 1961

GaylordWilshire Sep 8, 2012 4:17 PM

:previous:

That movie was made, what, 35 years ago? I live in NY but take umbrage whichever way the digs flow...actually the only people I know here in NY who think there's still a rivalry with LA are of a certain age.... NY's self-analysis and second-guessing don't seem to have held it back. Of course, we still don't have right-on-red (at least not in Manhattan)--

Your post reminded me of a NYker article from a while back, which I read as being at least a little tongue-in-cheek even 7 years ago:

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/200...ta_talk_gopnik

Chuckaluck Sep 8, 2012 4:43 PM

That amazing "stretch" of road often called "Mid Wilshire." (Before you could legally turn right on red.)
(After searching, these images may have been previously overlooked in this forum.)

Looking west from Hobart, 1938
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...-9-7-ISLA?v=hr

From Serrano:
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...-9-9-ISLA?v=hr



Looking east from Western 1939 Per Owl Drugs Clock 4:52 PM (rush hour). 1939. "Note the suicide lane added to "outbound" traffic."
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...-4-2-ISLA?v=hr

4:55 PM
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...-4-1-ISLA?v=hr

5:00 PM
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...-4-4-ISLA?v=hr Above all from USC Digital


Return of the Cisco Kid. Featuring Lynn Bari who was later (WW2) to be called "The Woo Woo Girl."
http://www.moviegoods.com/Assets/pro...911.1020.A.jpghttp://www.moviegoods.com/movie_post...o_kid_1939.htmhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ynn_Bari_2.jpg

MichaelRyerson Sep 8, 2012 4:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5824563)
:previous:

That movie was made, what, 35 years ago? I live in NY but take umbrage whichever way the digs flow...actually the only people I know here in NY who think there's still a rivalry with LA are of a certain age.... NY's self-analysis and second-guessing don't seem to have held it back. Of course, we still don't have right-on-red (at least not in Manhattan)--

Your post reminded me of a NYker article from a while back, which I read as being at least a little tongue-in-cheek even 7 years ago:

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/200...ta_talk_gopnik

Yeah, 35 years but the great ones age well. As for taking it seriously, I don't. I just happened to remember that line when I found this picture. And I don't take Alvy's words very seriously either, remember he was facing the loss of Annie who was going to chase her own dreams (all the way to the west coast) and he was feeling even more vulnerable than usual.

As for being of a certain age. I am.

MichaelRyerson Sep 8, 2012 5:58 PM

Entrance to Hotel Figueroa, 1931
 
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8438/7...f45119f1_o.jpg
Entrance to Hotel Figueroa, 1931


939 South Figueroa

USCdigital archive/Automobile Club of Southern California negatives, 1892-1963

BifRayRock Sep 8, 2012 6:00 PM

JJ Newberrys next door to JW Woolworth & Co., Westwood, early '50s(?):
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-44893?v=hrUSCDigital

August 2, 1939 "new" entrance to the J. J. Newberry & Co. store at 311 West Fifth Street.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics47/00058335.jpg

August 2, 1939 (A lunch counter to rival Woolworths 431 S. Broadway? http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=938)
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics47/00058336.jpg

New and improved - JJ Newberrys August 2, 1949. Grand re-opening 5th and Broadway.
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics47/00058337.jpg

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Distantly related to J.J.Newberrys is its cousin, Britt's Department Store.

Newberrys had a store located on Third Street across from the Farmer's Market possibly in the '50s and '60s. 6314 W 3rd Street. According to the '73 Directory, next door at 6310 W. 3rd Street was Britts Department Store. http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...rch_doc=brittsBritts was operated by parent company, JJ Newberry & Co. This building is recognizable today as "KMart." (JJNewberry once worked for Kresge, from which sprang KMArt.)

There is some slight difference of opinion regarding the history of this building since two people claiming familiarity with the building 30 years ago volunteered that the same building was operated as a private Hospital. As evidence, they claimed that the top floor "allegedly" retains the look of a large maternity ward, including related- equipment(?). Having never seen the place, I have no idea if any of this true.

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On a side note, east of the Britts/KMart building is the Ross Clothing Store which gained notoriety in 1984 for having a methane powered parking lot. It is interesting to note that the store started out, or at least once was a Market Basket Grocery Store. (See http://rescarta.lapl.org:8080/ResCar...=market+basket )
http://zev.lacounty.gov/wp-content/uploads/blast.gifgoogle

For anyone familiar with the area, I vaguely remember the Whole Foods Store to have been a Market Basket too, or was it a Mayfair, or Alpha Beta or even Safeway? Someone peering over my shoulder reminds me that there was a Loehmann's Clothing Store further east on the south side of Third Street (across from the Gilmore DriveIn?). But before it was a clothing store, was it not a Steakhouse or Italian restaurant that had its fair share of interesting clientele? Or perhaps I am confusing this with someplace else.

For MR, isn't there a glimpse of the Gilmore DriveIn in AH?;)

Chuckaluck Sep 8, 2012 6:57 PM

:previous:

http://hollywoodhistoricphotos.ipowe...171%5B1%5D.jpghttp://www.google.com

Gilmore Drive-In at bottom left corner, 1957.
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00095/00095805.jpglapl

http://www.vincentborrelli.com/vbb/i...ms/108302d.jpghttp://www.vincentborrelli.com/vbb/i...ms/108302d.jpg

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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-m9r3bWcdBQ..._145Pyxurz.jpghttp://pyxurz.blogspot.com/2011/12/a...ge-5-of-6.html

Chuckaluck Sep 8, 2012 8:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graybeard (Post 5801602)
Brings back some old memories. I worked on "Connies" when I was stationed at McClellan AFB in the early 70s.

http://rlv.zcache.com/6x4_poster_ec_..._2k4z8_400.jpg
AVIATIONSGREATS zazzle.com


Connie cruises over LA, 1955
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5099/5...1261c546_b.jpghttp://www.flickr.com/photos/33455118@N08/5506794840/

Chuckaluck Sep 8, 2012 8:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5800899)
My mother and Aunt Evelyn rode the street cars from Sunset and Silverlake Blvds everyday to work on these ungainly, but durable planes.
Maybe they are both in this picture...
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7247/7...22a02f03_o.jpg
lockheed_1940s_hollywood_way
wesclark.com
Looks like maybe the day shift is getting off and the swing shift is coming in...

April 29, 1940 Line Outside the Lockheed Plant
http://newdeal.feri.org/images/o01.gifhttp://www.google.com

Nov. 3, 1940 Lt. Col. A. Robert Ginsburgh addresses employees at Lockheed Plant Number 1, Los Angeles
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/2003-351.jpg

Same event
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/2003-353.jpg
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/2003-352.jpg From http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photogr...ople=&listid=3

ethereal_reality Sep 9, 2012 1:56 AM

MYSTERY photograph.
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Some of you might think this is down-right silly, but I thought it would be fun to post a mystery photograph.
Can any one of the wonderful geniuses :) place this rather unique weather vane?

http://imageshack.us/a/img641/9519/a...0domecopy1.jpg
detail/found on one of my old cds.

I will post the answer and complete photograph on Wednesday, Sept. 13th.
Good luck!!


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ethereal_reality Sep 9, 2012 2:27 AM

..this has no relation to my 'mystery' photo.
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Does anyone know where the Giambastiani Fuel Company was located in 1914?

http://imageshack.us/a/img855/1329/aagiambastiani.jpg
unknown/found on old cd




below: You see, I am especially intrigued by this multi-storied building that appears behind and to the left of the fuel co.

http://imageshack.us/a/img515/6633/a...stianicopy.jpg
detail

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ethereal_reality Sep 9, 2012 2:55 AM

http://imageshack.us/a/img52/5434/aapostofficeconst.jpg
postcard/ebay

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