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JimCraig Nov 28, 2020 4:00 AM

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Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 9118596)
I'm thinking my grandfather (Papa aka Dr. Herbert Sheen). I found most of these photos at my grandmother's property and since she really didn't throw anything away, and i didn't find any cameras, it just leads me to believe it was Papa (he's also noticeably absent in most photos).

Well, he left you a wonderful record of family "goings-on' and we are very grateful you shared them with us.

I Googled your grandfather and read about the Sheenway Schools. I am in Chicago and had never heard of them. A fantastic concept and sorely needed today.

You certainly have an interesting family!

Noir_Noir Nov 28, 2020 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9118531)
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mystery location


This amazing rppc of an apartment building in Los Angeles was just listed on eBay.



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/sXESO1.jpg
eBay



The card has the sender's address as 2923 S Hope.

https://i.imgur.com/LXY8xJy.jpg


The Hope Apartments -

https://i.imgur.com/IF5DxJl.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 22 November 1913


Built in 1906 and demolished circa 1974.

HossC Nov 28, 2020 1:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9118531)

Let's take a closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/Jn88Be.png
detail

hmm. . .I guess the diagonal board has nothing to do with the pipes on the ground.

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And. . .hmm. . .the diagonal board, that appears to be attached to a wire, is stabilizing the tree. (?)

The wire continues to the top-right corner of the detail view, so I'm guessing that it tethered a utility pole. I'm sure that the board was just there to stop people walking into the wire, or at least reduce the impact. Nowadays they just put plastic or metal tubes around the base of the wires up to a height of about seven feet.

GaylordWilshire Nov 28, 2020 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9118483)

Have any of you noirisher heard of the Sweet and Lowe Convalescent Home?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/reKICH.jpg
eBay


The name "Sweet and Lowe" doesn't ring any bells....It's unique enough I think I would have remembered it.

There is something written in white at the very bottom of the photograph. (no doubt from the negative)

Here is the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/rIxooe.jpg

April 20, 1912

The writer's house is being moved.... There was alot of house moving going on in Los Angeles back in the day.

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Henriette Sweet and Jennie Lowe were partners in the sanitarium--it only opened in 1910, so didn't last long. Looks like they went their separate ways after the building was sold? and moved. Sweet was next listed at 1805 W 5th St, but if the building was moved there, it's gone. On a quick look couldn't find any BPs to trace its movement.

"Prince" John Edward R. de Guelph, who imagined himself the rightful heir to the British throne, lived there once. Thought we'd seen him on NLA before, but couldn't dig him up.

https://i.postimg.cc/WpMd0xRy/sweet1-bmp.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/qvdVyZT1/guelph1-bmp.jpg
Herald Jan 29, 1911 and July 28, 1911

unihikid Nov 28, 2020 3:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimCraig (Post 9119075)
Well, he left you a wonderful record of family "goings-on' and we are very grateful you shared them with us.

I Googled your grandfather and read about the Sheenway Schools. I am in Chicago and had never heard of them. A fantastic concept and sorely needed today.

You certainly have an interesting family!

Thank you Jim, i'm glad to share them! He really wanted Sheenway to be successful, and it lasted out here in LA till 2010 or so. The local school district took over the charter and tore down the buildings, and built a new facility that better serves the community. For years there was a mural of him along with all that helped with the schools history. When they built the new facility, they installed a new one with several of my relatives..it's sometimes weird being stuck on the 110 freeway and seeing your Grandfather and Aunt on the side of a building:haha:

When my Grandfather passed (1976ish) my Aunt Delores kept the school alive. She is still active in the community, and like all Sheen's had an entertaining bug in her. Her son, Erin Blunt was in the original "Bad News Bears" and a host of other things. She has been in "Friday After Next", and more recently a Subaru commercial where we think she's a little girl but in the end, she turns into a Grandmother who "Loves spending time with the Grandkids". She also was a founding member of the vocal group "A Taste of Honey", she dropped out to pursue a nursing degree(see Candy pics).

Martin Pal Nov 28, 2020 8:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 9118988)
Maybe Zanja and Washington Blvd were open trenches in the 19th Century??

https://larry.wizegallery.com/VWV/zanja.jpg
Google Maps - hosted by me
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Some interesting business names on this map:

The Corner Door
Hatchet Hall (This place looks new and upscale, but the name is off-putting to me for a restaurant.)
Paco's Tacos
Alibi Room (That sounds familiar, that may have been discussed here previously.)

CindyNunn11 Nov 29, 2020 5:52 AM

Hello. I am the author of the book about Randsburg, as well as the in-depth research about Emilie Brickett/French Marguerite. I was fully aware that Marguerite had visited Los Angeles. Evidence pointed to her being released from the asylum between late 1900 to 1902, whereupon she headed for Randsburg where her favorite sister lived. I have secured actual documents showing that she did indeed leave the asylum. Also, as I had already guessed, the reason given in the news was that she had epilepsy was a ruse. She was committed for other reasons. I have been in contact with a number of Emily/Marguerite's living relatives, as well as step-family members of Marguerite's son, August Roberts/Jarick. all who emailed or phoned me, confirming my evidence as true. They have also given me a copy of the only known photo of Emily/Marguerite. Due to the real reasons behind her committal, I have promised that I would not release that information publicly. I also have a certified copy of Emily/Marguerite's death certificate.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7950889)
re: I now have three different locations for the Atlas Hotel.

1920
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/J0cXr5.jpg
lapl

1932
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...922/SZzXPD.jpg (as seen down the street in Hoss' photograph
lapl

and the 124 1/2 N. Spring Street address in the article below.

But this post is more about Mrs. Roberts, the woman the W.C.T.U. ran out of town on a rail. (article above)

Remember, at the time, Mrs. Roberts was in Los Angeles trying to lure girls to Randsburg Calif to work at her 'dance' hall.

"Mrs. Roberts operated her establishment under the name of “My Place Dance Hall,” sometimes known as “The Oasis,”
and right next door was her saloon. I’m sure it is fairly easy for you to figure out that Marguerite was a madam
who ran this as a “bawdy house,” which caused much consternation among the more “decent” town folk."
from CindyN11



Marguerite's dance hall still stands.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...922/UYGDM1.jpggsv

"The Randsburg Inn, formerly the Commercial Hotel, and at one time the My Place Dance Hall."








during my search I came upon Mrs. Roberts' tombstone in the Rand District Cemetery. (I wasn't expecting this)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...924/SWpYyx.jpg
explore forums

Surprisingly, she died less than three years after her procuring trip to L.A.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...922/zMCZ3p.jpg


But was 'Marguerite' really French?

"The majority of “soiled doves” lied, fabricated and twisted the truth about who they were and where they came from.
They rarely used their real names and often were just known by nicknames. During this era the crème de la crème
of the dance halls, bawdy & parlour houses and brothels were French women, most likely due to the popularity of erotic French Postcards.
French “sporting women” commanded a higher price for their services, so, as a consequence, many a home-grown American floozy
moved to new pastures, recreated themselves and became a ‘French’ courtesan."

CindyN11

Cindy at explore forums believes 'Marguerite' Roberts was actually Emily Brickett of San Bernardino....not from France as stated in her obituary.
(in 1892 she became Emily Jarrick after marrying August H. Jarrick in San Bernardino)

But in my opinion, Cindy's theory has a slight problem. Emily Jarrick was committed to an asylum by her husband in 1900.
Yet the newspaper article I found (while looking for the Atlas Hotel) has 'Marguerite' Roberts in Los Angeles in 1904.
So I'm not entirely convinced Marguerite Roberts and Emily Jarrick are the same person.
(of course she could have been released from the asylum by 1904, but still :shrug:)


If interested, you can read all of Cindy's research here: Explore Forum

(as far I can tell, she is unaware of Mrs. Roberts' trip to L.A. in 1904)



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ethereal_reality Nov 30, 2020 12:49 AM

:previous:

Thanks for the additional information CindyNunn11. ...I really appreciate it. :)

ethereal_reality Nov 30, 2020 1:10 AM

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Here's an interesting rppc currently on eBay

"Los Angeles CA Southern Counties Gas Co Wagon c1910 RPPC"


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/JscrOH.jpg
eBay





. . . and here's the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/vEQcIT.jpg






Here's a closer look at the three men and the wagon. (sorry, horse)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/acfHlz.jpg
detail

That look like a camera in the wagon.



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Snix Nov 30, 2020 1:38 AM

Meanwhile, around the corner at Lemon Grove and Serrano... The Lemon Grove Kids.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a6b6d223_b.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkc7vzF6X14

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9112289)
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mystery snapshot.

"MAGIC MIRROR in DOOR w REFLECTION TRIPOD CAMERA MAN & BOYS ~ 1960s VINTAGE PHOTO"


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/buCH9Z.jpg
eBay

I faintly recall the exterior of this unique photography studio but the name Lemon Grove Studio doesn't ring a bell for me. . .
. .but if I were to make a guess I'd say this studio is somewhere along Sunset Blvd.





Here's the reverse.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/NVVsl4.jpg
not much help clue wise







Here's a closer look at the man and boys.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/8zRVDe.jpg

I wonder if the man with the tripod works at Lemon Grove Studio?








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GaylordWilshire Nov 30, 2020 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 9116805)
Thanks Martin and Jim. I was lucky enough to know all the folks in the pictures except my grandfather. He was first married to Zora Neal Hurston who he went to Howard University with. Granny was a rebound and the marriage wasn't a happy one(divorced in 1955). The kids we're spoiled to say the least and Granny had to work overtime at Bullocks DT just in case the kids brought over someone for Breakfast, Lunch, or Dinner. Here are some around the house pics.


unihikid--I was struck by this detail in your grandfather's bio and have been wondering about ZNH and her connection to Hollywood. I looked for a pic of her in LA--found nothing really, but there's a good bit online about her filmmaking days. Apparently she also worked as a script consultant for Paramount for a short time ca 1941. Wonder if Dr. Sheen saw anything of her then, if he was in Calif by that time?


https://i.postimg.cc/GpzCLcQ8/zora-bmp.jpg

Martin Pal Nov 30, 2020 9:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Snix (Post 9120137)
Meanwhile, around the corner at Lemon Grove and Serrano... The Lemon Grove Kids.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a6b6d223_b.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xkc7vzF6X14


That young girl above is pretty well endowed for a kid, heh! I clicked the link and was assuming this was animated from the photo, but it's just the credits. It's three short films resembling the The East Side Kids, especially Leo Gorcey and Huntz Hall. The first is copyrighted 1967, and the other two 1969. Interesting to say the least!

unihikid Dec 1, 2020 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 9120316)
unihikid--I was struck by this detail in your grandfather's bio and have been wondering about ZNH and her connection to Hollywood. I looked for a pic of her in LA--found nothing really, but there's a good bit online about her filmmaking days. Apparently she also worked as a script consultant for Paramount for a short time ca 1941. Wonder if Dr. Sheen saw anything of her then, if he was in Calif by that time?


https://i.postimg.cc/GpzCLcQ8/zora-bmp.jpg

Thanks GW, i didn't know she spent time out here during the 40's. Papa moved the family from Tyler Texas in the spring of 1945 (we have a picture of the 38 Oldsmobile pulling an airsteam type trailer), so i don't think he made it in time for her. To be honest, we didn't find out about the marriage until the early 90's. The LA Times ran an article about her and dad called Aunt Delores, who was closer to Papa to ask about it, and even she didn't know.

We later found a few correspondences, that we gave to i believe Florida State University. It was right around the time of the divorce, so 55-56. She was going through a hard time, and i think he was sending her money from time to time. Since it was connected to the divorce, none of the kids wanted the reminder, and felt they belonged to FSU (I could of used them on a great show and tell project during my 11th grade year). From what everyone has said, she was the one that got away. We also found out that she kept in touch with Papa's relatives (The Chicago Sheen's) who i have yet to meet.

Murphy de la Sucre Dec 1, 2020 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9117776)
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Happy Thanksgiving!


1904
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/02...ver_grande.jpghttps://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/02...e75_grande.jpg


November, 1921
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...5032-cover.jpg


November, 1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2015-cover.jpg


1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2013-cover.jpg


1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2011-cover.jpg


1924
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...2014-cover.jpg


1926
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...rb04206-01.jpg


1926
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...b/24328-01.jpg


1927
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...4326-cover.jpg


1931
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...is-Rome_Ad.jpg


1931
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...ze/b/24457.jpg


1938
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...ze/b/14286.jpg


1949
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...1089-front.jpghttps://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...089-inside.jpg


1995
https://dbase1.lapl.org/images/menus...rb04439-01.jpg


LAPL Menu Collection Link: HERE

I adore the full dinner prices back then, 2-3 dollars per person? Put it in year of 2020 for at least 20-30 dollars per person.

CaliNative Dec 1, 2020 5:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9117776)

^^^
The two 1926 menus above say beer is served. Is this near beer (legal) or are they in violation of the Volstead Act?

CaliNative Dec 1, 2020 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murphy de la Sucre (Post 9121136)
I adore the full dinner prices back then, 2-3 dollars per person? Put it in year of 2020 for at least 20-30 dollars per person.

My grandfather told me that prior 1920, for the price of a glass of beer (sometimes only a nickle) many bars and restaurants served free platters of meats, cheeses and breads and you could eat unlimited quantities. Sort of like our "happy hour", but better. I can't vouch for the quality of the meat and cheese, but it satisfied Gramps.

ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2020 8:14 AM

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The Colegrove 'Arch'


"Antique c1915 Original Cabinet Photograph Original Colegrove Los Angeles Hollywood CA Home Bush Arch"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/rDSi8F.jpg
eBay







For newbies / and as a reminder - Colegrove was just south of Hollywood.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/A7d8A2.jpg
kcet





Photographer stamp on reverse side offers photographer and location and reads H.G. Bliss, Phone Holly 755, Colegrove, Cal.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/NsScMf.jpg
detail



I looked through numerous Los Angeles Directories but never found a H. J. Bliss.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/s3a9ZO.jpg



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ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2020 8:25 AM

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I don't believe we have seen this early illustration of Old Chinatown. (1885)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/cyReog.jpg
wikiwand

At first I thought the overhang was sagging - but now I think it was built that way. (as an Asian flourish)



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/3hJJiX.jpg

What was Archduke Ludwig Salvator of Austria doing in Los Angeles?



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ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2020 8:39 AM

SOLVED

mystery location

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/O7NeHH.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9119175)

The Hope Apartments -

https://i.imgur.com/IF5DxJl.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald - 22 November 1913


Built in 1906 and demolished circa 1974.

Thanks Noir Noir. I overlooked the written address. :duh








SOLVED

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/reKICH.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 9119194)

Henriette Sweet and Jennie Lowe were partners in the sanitarium--it only opened in 1910, so didn't last long. Looks like they went their separate ways after the building was sold?
and moved. Sweet was next listed at 1805 W 5th St, but if the building was moved there, it's gone. On a quick look couldn't find any BPs to trace its movement.

https://i.postimg.cc/WpMd0xRy/sweet1-bmp.jpg
Herald Jan 29, 1911 and July 28, 1911


Good sleuthing, GW. I appreciate it. :)



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ethereal_reality Dec 1, 2020 8:56 AM

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Babe Ruth arrives on the Los Angeles Limited and is welcomed by the Wampus Baby Stars of 1927.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/vpBBUv.jpg
eBay (from quite some time ago / perhaps a year)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/7Brc0I.jpg






Go Here to see the baby stars touching Ruth's Big Bat.
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