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GaylordWilshire Jun 12, 2020 12:26 PM

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Those matches...


LAT Jan 21, 1944
https://i.postimg.cc/Njr6dr6z/nollpics-bmp.jpg


LAT Jan 21, 1944
https://i.postimg.cc/J0q64H6q/noll4-bmp.jpg


LAT Jan 26, 1944
https://i.postimg.cc/wBjNX3k1/noll1-bmp.jpg


I wonder if Drs. Reinecke & Couturier's business was ruptured...

LAT Jan 2, 1944
https://i.postimg.cc/cJBXcnZN/nollrupture-bmp.jpg

ethereal_reality Jun 12, 2020 6:45 PM

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Oh my! I had no idea about the tragic fire, GW.

hmm. . .I'm a bit surprised Noll's dice factory was located on Wilshire Blvd. I pictured it in an industrial area.






AND NOW:

The Case of the Mystery Bellhop Statue. . .

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/iAJWsQ.jpg
DETAIL

Located (somewhere) on San Fernando Road. [1937]



Here's the whole statue. (I wanted to shock you with the scary head)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/c701wu.jpg
Sotheby's



Edward Weston
1886-1958

'LOS ANGELES MONUMENT' (BELLBOY STATUE, SAN FERNANDO ROAD)
signed, titled, dated, and annotated 'No. B. 8.' (crossed out) by the photographer and annotated by Mary Weston Seaman in pencil on the reverse, matted, 1937
9 1/2 by 7 1/2 in. (24.1 by 19.1 cm.)




Let's inspect the surrounding area.

First the left side.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/rhtly9.jpg

If you look closely there might be a name (artist's?) within the rectangle that you see on the base.




And now the right. You can clearly see a gently rolling hill.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/I4A8n1.jpg



I have no idea what this statue is commemorating or where on it was located. (other than San Fernando Road)




Sotheby's Link
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odinthor Jun 13, 2020 5:13 AM

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"Conger notes that Weston passed this statue in front of the Hotel Chelsea near San Fernando, just north of Los Angeles, on June 3 (Conger 1020). Amused by the statue, he returned a few days later to photograph it. Weston sent the print offered here to his sister, who inscribed the verso as follows: 'This is an old plaster statue which caught my brother's attentive eye and excited his sense of humor.'

https://www.barnebys.co.uk/realised-...road-uwljryZop

("SAN FERNANDO ROAD" in the earlier description might mean "a road to/near/in San Fernando" rather than "San Fernando Rd.")

Noir_Noir Jun 13, 2020 2:26 PM

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The writer Edmund Wilson, traveling in the LA area, mentions a bellboy statue at a Hotel Chelsea in his diaries from the 1930's.


https://i.imgur.com/UQNDqie.jpg
The Thirties: From Notebooks and Diaries of the Period By Edmund Wilson


Seems to be describing the same one in the Weston picture. He sees it as a papier-mâché statue rather than plaster but that may be just for poetic effect.

I can't find any other mention or listing for a Hotel Chelsea around the San Fernando area. :shrug:

GaylordWilshire Jun 13, 2020 3:38 PM

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ER etc, it seems you have found the location of the Chelsea roadside advertisement for the Hotel Chelsea at 504 S Bonnie Brae, more recently the Cameo Hotel...

From this post and this post of March 13, 2011:

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics25/00062247.jpg

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2020 4:15 PM

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A 2011 nla mystery solved nine years later!

As a reminder here's what I asked back in 2011: "I'm a bit confused about the bellhop sculpture. Was it relocated to an empty field somewhere?"


Thanks so much odinthor, Noir Noir and GW. :worship:

You guys made my day.




There is another Weston photograph that was never solved. I'm going to dig that photo up and we'll have a go at that one as well.
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Hollywood Graham Jun 13, 2020 4:22 PM

Bellhop
 
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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 8950648)
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ER etc, it seems you have found the location of the Chelsea roadside advertisement for the Hotel Chelsea at 504 S Bonnie Brae, more recently the Cameo Hotel...

From this post and this post of March 13, 2011:

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics25/00062247.jpg

No suitcase in the right hand as in the other photo?

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2020 4:32 PM

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Good eye Hollywood Graham!.... It probably broke off on its way to San Fernando and ended up in a ditch.

....am I the only one who finds this slightly amusing?.

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2020 7:38 PM

Yes. It's the Tishman 615 building once again. :) Lucky you.

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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/o3LHC9.jpg




The blue panels on the Tishman 615 building were prefabbed off site in nearby Alhambra. (see below)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/y4vBKm.jpg
PDF. looking for it again

Is anyone familiar enough with Alhambra to figure out the location shown in the photograph? ....It was a 3 acre site.

I looked around the area in the google-mobile but failed to figure out where the former site might have been. (I was hoping the shape of the hills might lead me there)


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HossC Jun 13, 2020 8:46 PM

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Here's Tishman 615 under construction. I found your picture of the panels in a PDF at usmodernist.org, e_r, but I can't see any mention of Alhambra. It just says "The panels were manufactured in the open on a suburban lot; ordinary tools and equipment were used; no special problems were encountered, either in manufacture or in placing the panels on the building." Maybe you got the Alhambra link from a different source.

Tishman 615, 615 South Flower Street. The 22-story building gets its color from blue Italian mosaic tile embedded in panels.

Just east of Beaudry Avenue, on the overpass above the Harbor Freeway. The 1912 Noonan & Kysor Rex Arms at left, it had a 1930s streamlining, and the 1946 Holabird & Root Hotel Statler on the right. In the middle, the Tishman going up, by Victor Gruen Associates.


https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...5Building2.jpg
Huntington Digital Library

BillinGlendaleCA Jun 13, 2020 8:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8950825)
Yes. It's the Tishman 615 building once again. :) Lucky you.

The azure blue panels on the (recently discussed) Tishman 615 building were prefabbed off site in nearby Alhambra. (see below)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/y4vBKm.jpg
PDF. looking for it again

Is anyone familiar enough with Alhambra to figure out the location shown in the photograph? ....It was a 3 acre site.

I looked around the area in the google-mobile but failed to figure out where the former site might have been. (I was hoping the shape of the hills might lead me there)


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I'm thinking it's the corner of Lowell(and Concord) and Alhambra, it's now the El Sereno Arroyo Playground. Here's the aerial via FrameFinder from May 1960:
https://i.postimg.cc/PxjN1Tkd/Annota...-13-133841.jpg

HossC Jun 13, 2020 9:24 PM

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I also looked at the FrameFinder images, BillinGlendale. I was hoping to find the panels laid out, but they're probably on the 1959 "Request Scan" images.

Here's the area today. I think you've cracked it!

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...lhambraAv1.jpg
Google Maps

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2020 9:30 PM

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By JOVE I think you found the lot, BillinGlendalCa ! !

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8950862)
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Here's Tishman 615 under construction. I found your picture of the panels in a PDF at usmodernist.org, e_r, but I can't see any mention of Alhambra. It just says "The panels were manufactured in the open on a suburban lot; ordinary tools and equipment were used; no special problems were encountered, either in manufacture or in placing the panels on the building." Maybe you got the Alhambra link from a different source.

[I]Tishman 615, 615 South Flower Street. The 22-story building gets its color from blue Italian mosaic tile embedded in panels.

Yes, Hoss, that is the PDF where I found the photograph. I didn't know the prehab location was in Alhambra until I happened upon this 2nd article. (shown below)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/CR4hyI.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/lCuqpI.jpg
I found the article in indiana (& my notes are in indiana.)....I'm now in illinois. sorry


The original azure blue panels should have never been removed but the new owners no doubt wanted larger windows. :(

Also. . .
I didn't know the building was known as the Wilflower Building. :shrug:


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KevinW Jun 13, 2020 9:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8949454)

Yup, that's the most notoriously leaky one. So you do think Wright was a lousy architect. Just checking.

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2020 10:10 PM

Are you purposely trying to start an argument? KevinW . . .please let it be.


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Martin Pal Jun 13, 2020 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8949587)
Let's move on.

I haven't been on here in a couple days, so I'll move on shortly.


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Originally Posted by KevinW (Post 8949422)
Wow are you and CBD a bunch of beauty hating old men. The Ruvo Center is, like Disney Hall, modern and beautiful.

You may have heard the expression, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder?" And now I'm contemplating "beauty hating young men"?


Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinW (Post 8949422)
Funny thing is he's giving the finger to someone with a negative opinion such as your own.

He gave the "questioner" the finger, not the people the questioner was citing. Mr. Gehry is either very touchy or very insecure. His response that "98% of the architecture being built today is pure shit" indicates that his ego feels himself to belong in the 2% and is disdainful of the other 98%. That's a lot.

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8949587)
I understand being a critic of his work but the visceral hatred is downright bizarre.

Perhaps because you don't live around his buildings and are being threatened with yet another one, actually five buildings, being built in your own backyard and another less objectionable one, actually two buildings, for Warner Bros. in the valley.

Visceral hatred of something is only bizarre if one agrees that visceral admiration of something (or someone) is also bizarre, but I think I will now use that term to describe Frank Gehry's style of archiecture.

Thank you all for your time...exit, stage left...:runaway:

nealberke Jun 14, 2020 4:47 AM

I suspect from the 1946 date of this article, the dice were made of NITROCELLULOSE not simply cellulose. Nitrocellulose is a cellulose product such as cotton that's been treated with nitric acid. It is very flammable and can be made into a low level explosive such as gun cotton. Nitrocellulose film was responsible for many deadly theater fires in early days of the motion picture industry and several spectacular film vault fires. This film can burn under water and gives off toxic gases when burned. Eventually, Nitrocellulose film was replaced first by actitate safety film and then polyester film. It has also been fashioned into lacquer and hard plastics. If you want, I will try to post more articles about nitrocellulose film, it's dangers and film restoration.

ethereal_reality Jun 14, 2020 5:25 AM

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Please do!... The subject is fascinating.

Scott Charles Jun 14, 2020 5:33 AM

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Originally Posted by nealberke (Post 8951160)
I suspect from the 1946 date of this article, the dice were made of NITROCELLULOSE not simply cellulose. Nitrocellulose is a cellulose product such as cotton that's been treated with nitric acid. It is very flammable and can be made into a low level explosive such as gun cotton. Nitrocellulose film was responsible for many deadly theater fires in early days of the motion picture industry and several spectacular film vault fires. This film can burn under water and gives off toxic gases when burned. Eventually, Nitrocellulose film was replaced first by actitate safety film and then polyester film. It has also been fashioned into lacquer and hard plastics. If you want, I will try to post more articles about nitrocellulose film, it's dangers and film restoration.

Interesting stuff, nealberke!

The tortoiseshell pickguards on Fender guitars used to be made of nitrocellulose back in the 60s. They switched to some form of plastic eventually, but it's not nearly as nice looking as the old nitrocellulose pickguards as seen below:

https://i.imgur.com/EnvPuf0l.jpg

Guitar picks used to be made of the same stuff, too.

https://i.imgur.com/dHYfzE9.jpg

I used to light them on fire as a kind of party trick. They would VANISH instantly in a flash of fire the moment you ignited them. POOF! Burst of light, then they would be gone without a trace. Incredibly flammable stuff!

Bristolian Jun 14, 2020 2:51 PM

Here's Johnny!
 
I remember Johnny Carson once saying he was in a film that was so bad, it was the only one ever transferred from safe film to highly flammable nitrocellulose.


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