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ethereal_reality Apr 17, 2020 8:10 AM

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Two mystery homes. . .

from this J. M. Lingfelter stereoview

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A closer look at the two houses.

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Photographer's stamp

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I figured the 426 Downey Ave. address was the photographer's address since it's written directly below his stamp. . .

but around the time this stereoview was taken (1890s) Lingfelter had a studio at 515 N. Main St.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/h56juz.jpg
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The plot thickens with the seller's description.

"426 Downey Ave.". Photographed by "(A.?) M. Lingfelter View Artist". There is a handwritten notation in the bottom left quadrant
of the back which reads "....E. L. A. Calif.". We believe that references East Los Angeles of which Downey avenue is a part,
to the best of our knowledge. Although the houses are not identified as to their residents, we think, that one of the homes,
possibly the one on the right, was the home of the photographer. The home on the right we believe is still standing;
we do not know the fate of the other home. We date the stereoview to circa 1910."
....(I think 1910 is a bit late)

I haven't been able to find the house that the seller thinks is still standing.

J. M. Lingfelter appears in numerous other city directories. . .nearly all of them at different addresses.



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CityBoyDoug Apr 17, 2020 2:18 PM

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I remember when that was started.

Lwize Apr 17, 2020 2:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 8895392)
Although Cadillac appears to be four-door, tail also reminiscent of '79 Eldorado. Plate could be from out of state.
http://images.classiccars.com/classi...c_Eldorado.jpg

The Cadillac is a Coupe Deville, 1986+ based on the CHMSL in the rear window.

HossC Apr 17, 2020 7:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8896073)

Two mystery homes. . .

from this J. M. Lingfelter stereoview

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/Ar1S8K.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/pq83Fm.jpg
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...

I figured the 426 Downey Ave. address was the photographer's address since it's written directly below his stamp. . .

but around the time this stereoview was taken (1890s) Lingfelter had a studio at 515 N. Main St.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/h56juz.jpg
LAPL

The plot thickens with the seller's description.

"426 Downey Ave.". Photographed by "(A.?) M. Lingfelter View Artist". There is a handwritten notation in the bottom left quadrant
of the back which reads "....E. L. A. Calif.". We believe that references East Los Angeles of which Downey avenue is a part,
to the best of our knowledge. Although the houses are not identified as to their residents, we think, that one of the homes,
possibly the one on the right, was the home of the photographer. The home on the right we believe is still standing;
we do not know the fate of the other home. We date the stereoview to circa 1910."
....(I think 1910 is a bit late)

I haven't been able to find the house that the seller thinks is still standing.

J. M. Lingfelter appears in numerous other city directories. . .nearly all of them at different addresses.

I think that 426 Downey Avenue was the photographer's address. Although J M Lingfelter isn't listed there, it was a photograph gallery from 1891 to 1895. In 1891 it was Kraus & Saunders (Henry D Kraus and F M Saunders). In 1893, F M Saunders had gone and another photographer, Louis Kraus appears, but he also goes by 1895. Henry D lived at 2802 Maple Avenue in 1891 and 1895, but both he and Louis are listed at 400 East Fifth in 1893.

By 1897, 426 Downey Avenue was a harness and saddlery belonging to Albert H Hammond (obviously not the Albert Hammond who sang "It Never Rains in Southern California" ;)). The street directory in the 1897 CD lists the harness shop immediately before "AVENUE 21 intersects". Downey Avenue is now N Broadway, and the west side of its intersection with Avenue 21 is the embankment at the side of the Golden State Freeway, so the building definitely isn't still standing. The location of the houses, however, remains a mystery for now.

BDiH Apr 18, 2020 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8895674)
^^^
LOL!

Hey, BDiH, :) did you ever visit the New-View Theatre when it became The Pussycat Theatre in 1973? :runaway:

(For reasons I don't know, in the Once Upon a Time...in Hollywood movie set in 1969, this location was recreated as the Pussycat, not the New-View.

Do you still have them?!

I believe I did visit the Pussycat on the Boulevard sometime around 1973, but I have better memories of the more famous one. I still have a few of those old 8x10s, but most I have sold on eBay over the years. At my age, I don't need to keep them anymore. If I close my eyes, they are just as clear as holding them in my hand.

I did save the ones I had autographed to me by Buddy Rogers, Fred Astaire, Ray Milland and Cornel Wilde. In those days, I would hang out at the Brown Derby Coffee Shop, the Ontra Cafeteria and the Plaza Coffee Shop. A lot of old time movie stars still roamed Hollywood then. Fond memories of lunch with Lash LaRue at the Ontra and coffee with Cornel Wilde at the Brown Derby.

JimCraig Apr 18, 2020 1:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BDiH (Post 8896928)
I believe I did visit the Pussycat on the Boulevard sometime around 1973, but I have better memories of the more famous one. I still have a few of those old 8x10s, but most I have sold on eBay over the years. At my age, I don't need to keep them anymore. If I close my eyes, they are just as clear as holding them in my hand.

I did save the ones I had autographed to me by Buddy Rogers, Fred Astaire, Ray Milland and Cornel Wilde. In those days, I would hang out at the Brown Derby Coffee Shop, the Ontra Cafeteria and the Plaza Coffee Shop. A lot of old time movie stars still roamed Hollywood then. Fond memories of lunch with Lash LaRue at the Ontra and coffee with Cornel Wilde at the Brown Derby.

Very interesting. Tell us more!

CityBoyDoug Apr 18, 2020 2:29 PM

Jack Warner

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Martin Pal Apr 18, 2020 5:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDiH (Post 8896928)
I did save the ones I had autographed to me by Buddy Rogers, Fred Astaire, Ray Milland and Cornel Wilde. In those days, I would hang out at the Brown Derby Coffee Shop, the Ontra Cafeteria and the Plaza Coffee Shop. A lot of old time movie stars still roamed Hollywood then. Fond memories of lunch with Lash LaRue at the Ontra and coffee with Cornel Wilde at the Brown Derby.

"Lunch with Lash LaRue" sounds like a radio program! That's quite a group of autographs you have, BDiH! Thanks for your reply.

Martin Pal Apr 18, 2020 5:11 PM

CBD, that sounds like what I'd imagine Steve McQueen to do.

By the way, I notice you have a line of products: :)

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MartinTurnbull Apr 18, 2020 8:14 PM

Gotham Delicatessen, 7050 Hollywood Blvd, Hollywood, in RKO’s “Nocturne” (1946)
 
Yesterday, I watched a second-rate film noir from RKO called “Nocturne” (1946) because it starred George Raft and I wanted to see what the guy most famous for knocking back roles that made Humphrey Bogart a star was like. Turns out, he’s woefully wooden. But they did shoot on location a fair bit, including this scene at the Gotham Delicatessen. We've seen the Gotham around these here parts before but the screengrab I did turned out pretty clearly so I thought I'd post it here.

I found somewhere a reference to the Gotham Special Sandwich, which it advertised as being big enough for two. One account I read said: “There was no food on the face of the earth better than Gotham’s. You could get everything there. The food was unequaled. It was just like it was a banquet.” It was listed in the 1956 L.A. City Directory, so it had a long run.

One of these days, I'd love to find an interior shot. This movie had a scene inside the Gotham but it looked suspiciously like a set inside a soundstage. But I did wonder if the set designer modeled it on what the actual Gotham looked like inside.

https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...urne-1946.jpeg

CityBoyDoug Apr 19, 2020 1:39 AM

This reminds me of the snake oil items sold in yesteryear's...Radium Water [its good for you]...;)

CityBoyDoug Apr 19, 2020 1:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull (Post 8897590)
Yesterday, I watched a second-rate film noir from RKO called “Nocturne” (1946) because it starred George Raft and I wanted to see what the guy most famous for knocking back roles that made Humphrey Bogart a star was like. Turns out, he’s woefully wooden. But they did shoot on location a fair bit, including this scene at the Gotham Delicatessen. We've seen the Gotham around these here parts before but the screengrab I did turned out pretty clearly so I thought I'd post it here.

I found somewhere a reference to the Gotham Special Sandwich, which it advertised as being big enough for two. One account I read said: “There was no food on the face of the earth better than Gotham’s. You could get everything there. The food was unequaled. It was just like it was a banquet.” It was listed in the 1956 L.A. City Directory, so it had a long run.

One of these days, I'd love to find an interior shot. This movie had a scene inside the Gotham but it looked suspiciously like a set inside a soundstage. But I did wonder if the set designer modeled it on what the actual Gotham looked like inside.

Martin T: Cool photo, loaded with atmosphere. I wonder what that sandwich recipe could be.?

KevinW Apr 19, 2020 3:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8897785)
I was afraid this would happen....now I'll likely be busted. :D:

Don't tell anyone but most all of the hundreds of CBD products contain a drop or no CBD at all, its mostly a scam. As of yesterday, I checked, CBD is still listed as illegal to sell in the USA. Its a common misconception that since Marijuana is legal, that CBD is also legal....its not.

Research shows that CBD produces both sleepiness and insomnia.....:D, ain't that a hoot. Also, one thing that CBD oil has little if any effect on is pain. This reminds me of the snake oil items sold in yesteryear's...Radium Water [its good for you]...;)


You are wildly misinformed. CBD is legal. You can buy it over the internet as long as its not mixed with THC. I produce a TV show about the Cannabis Industry and have done whole episodes on CBD. I assure you, the products out there help a lot of people.

MartinTurnbull Apr 19, 2020 4:22 AM

Gotham Delicatessen, 7050 Hollywood Blvd, Hollywood, in RKO’s “Nocturne” (1946)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8897795)
Martin T: Cool photo, loaded with atmosphere. I wonder what that sandwich recipe could be.?

I've tried to find out what it might have consisted of but to no avail...yet. It must have been HUGE!

CityBoyDoug Apr 19, 2020 10:58 AM

I was about to hire an attorney and remove my famous CBD initials from the products.

ethereal_reality Apr 19, 2020 3:33 PM

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Noirish Neon.



Here's a tourist snapshot of the Florentine Gardens at night.

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A closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Y0IqtI.jpg
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I wonder if the exterior of the Florentine Gardens was ever captured on movie film at night. There's no doubt that some of the neon flash and traveled
but it's impossible to tell in a still image. The colors used in the neon is a mystery as well.

I imagine the details of the neon are filed away somewhere in the bowels of a defunct neon company.

Hmmm. . .the apex of the neon looks a bit like the Bat Signal. The 'wings' appear to be two arrows pointing to 'Florentine Gardens'.



As a reminder here is Florentine Gardens in daylight.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/4vCcyw.jpg
oldhollywood

The building, stripped of its ornament, still stands at 5951 Hollywood Blvd.

In 2020




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The back of the eBay photograph.

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BDiH Apr 19, 2020 6:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull (Post 8897590)
Yesterday, I watched a second-rate film noir from RKO called “Nocturne” (1946) because it starred George Raft and I wanted to see what the guy most famous for knocking back roles that made Humphrey Bogart a star was like. Turns out, he’s woefully wooden. But they did shoot on location a fair bit, including this scene at the Gotham Delicatessen. We've seen the Gotham around these here parts before but the screengrab I did turned out pretty clearly so I thought I'd post it here.

I found somewhere a reference to the Gotham Special Sandwich, which it advertised as being big enough for two. One account I read said: “There was no food on the face of the earth better than Gotham’s. You could get everything there. The food was unequaled. It was just like it was a banquet.” It was listed in the 1956 L.A. City Directory, so it had a long run.

One of these days, I'd love to find an interior shot. This movie had a scene inside the Gotham but it looked suspiciously like a set inside a soundstage. But I did wonder if the set designer modeled it on what the actual Gotham looked like inside.

https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...urne-1946.jpeg

George Raft lived in various places around Hollywood, including the Mark Twain and the El Royale. When I watched "Nocturne," and other movies with Raft, I noticed many scenes were shot near his residences. I wonder if he made movies based on where they were filmed?

Raft was a regular at La Dolce Vita in Beverly Hills. A plaque with his name still rests above his favorite booth. When he passed away, he left his Cadillac to Ruben Castro, the maitre d.

My grandparents and my parents were regulars at Musso~Frank, but my mother would always mention the Gotham, her other favorite. It was not as famous as the Brown Derby, but it was equally popular with locals.

KevinFromTexas Apr 19, 2020 9:12 PM

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KevinW Apr 19, 2020 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8897948)
This comes from the FDA as of last month March 2020:

''As of March 2020, CBD extracted from marijuana remains a Schedule I Controlled Substance, and is not approved as a prescription drug, dietary supplement, or allowed for interstate commerce in the United States. CBD derived from hemp (with 0.3% THC or lower) is legal to sell as a cosmetics ingredient, but cannot be sold under federal law as an ingredient in food, dietary supplements, or animal food. It is a common misconception that the legal ability to sell hemp (which may contain CBD) makes CBD legal.''

I guess that CBD is legal in cosmetics at 0.03 or lower which is practically nothing. I am not a drug expert and all I have to go on is what the FDA says. Is the FDA ignoring their own regulations? Its great that people are being helped by CBD. I was about to hire an attorney and remove my famous CBD initials from the products.

Again, you're confused. Marijuana is considered Hemp if the THC in the plant is below 3%. If you are getting CBD from Marijuana other than Hemp, the THC is above 3% and that's a no no. It can have as much CBD in it as possible. The only thing the FDA is concerned with is THC because of its psychoactive effects. CBD has none, so yes, the products on the market are made from Hemp which only has CBD and are available for interstate commerce. CBD mixed with THC is what isn't legal and that's not being marketed as CBD products or sold interstate.

CityBoyDoug Apr 20, 2020 9:42 AM

Speaking of music, many of the Forum gang favor the Swing music of the big band era....you know, the Noir Era, that this blog is dedicated.
Maybe throw in a few nostalgic recipes....Mac & Cheese or Tuna Casserole?


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