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Martin Pal Aug 1, 2018 6:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8268157)
Close up / detail
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/LdBUlr.jpg

oldstuff, I didn't realize Grauman's Gift Shop sold high end items like expensive jewelry.
I'm somewhat embarrassed to say, but I pictured a touristy gift shop selling tacky souvenirs and chotchkies.
Do you, or anyone else for that matter, remember in detail what the interior of the two gift shops looked like?

Oh, and one more thing...do you mind telling us the lady's name who ran the shop?

E_R, I have a few items of information about these places. At some point when looking at a Grauman's photo I had thought I read once that one or both of these locations had originally been a soda fountain. That would make sense as these places are long and relatively narrow and if there are many people inside they are quite claustrophobic.

Since I could not find my source as to where I read that information I sent off an email to the person who runs this site:

http://graumanschinese.org/index.html

...A Fan Site for everything Grauman's Chinese, which includes a section of "Every Movie to have played at Grauman's Chinese". In addition to the movie title, when it played there and for how long etc., if he has found a photo of the theatre marquee that includes all or part of the film title, he has posted them there. He finds alot of them on eBay, like the one you found above, E_R, in fact he said he's in the process of removing the watermark on that very one before posting it there. These photos are great, but the biggest problem with this is that the photos on the site are all very small and aren't enlargeable and often not found anywhere else.

The stores on either side of the forecourt are tangential in most pictures, because people are obviously interested in the main attraction, Grauman's Chinese Theatre. In response to my query about those two shops possibly having been soda fountains at some point, he wrote me these items:

The store spaces at the Chinese are interesting - up to a point. I don’t know too much about the one on the west side, but the east one is better known.

When the theatre opened, a cigarette and cigar maker named Lickter opened a branch there. (His other store was in the Egyptian). The store was called “A Puff from Hollywood.” It went out of business in 1931 or so.

After that, a sandwich shop called Radlick’s was in there, then later on the sandwich shop was called Poggi’s from 1943 or so.

Keller’s took over sometime in 1948. I imagine that they discontinued sandwiches with the Cinemiracle remodel in 1958. In THE APARTMENT shot, you can see “Keller’s” in gold leaf on the center window. In some other shots, it looks like a nice little china shop - very tidy.

I know that the stores were originally thought of as being just regular stores, but as the fame of the theatre grew, souvenirs became the thing. They are interesting to visit today, since they are both the same as they were and totally different at the same time.

Any pages about these shops on the site is a low priority for me at present, although it is a fun idea, because I am in the midst of compiling pages on all of the forecourt people with hand and footprints in cement. The plan is to have a section with a photo of all the cement stars in the Theatre's forecourt and then one can click on the square of any of the people and it will bring up a page with the information about it. This is not linked to the site yet, and won't be until the project is completed, but I can give you a sample of one of them here:


http://www.graumanschinese.org/forec...s-douglas.html

I do still have a long way to go!

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I found an article, from just this past March, about the gentlemen who runs this site and it's worth a read!

https://www.dailybulletin.com/2018/0...ents-its-lore/

Tourmaline Aug 1, 2018 7:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5452649)
http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics38/00068923.jpgLAPL


More pics of the "I'm Victor Hugo" restaurant in B.H.... just kidding e_r:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S...2520PM.bmp.jpg


latimemachines.com has this description: The Victor Hugo was at "233 N. Beverly Drive at Wilshire. Table d'hote Dinner in 1937 - $2. Owned by Hugo Aleidas. First location was 619 S. Grand Ave. Los Angeles, California"


Must also have once been on Hill:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e...2520PM.bmp.jpg






Victor Hugo in BH (Presume Bette Davis is behind the wheel.)
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/81529f96e10759ee_largehttp://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/81529f96e10759ee_large


For perspective, previous NLA postings.

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/f2c113b8bb0a73e7_largehttp://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/f2c113b8bb0a73e7_large



http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/61ff12f24e802247_largehttp://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/61ff12f24e802247_large


Bekins BH (BD and familia?)
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/6e9bfcd65725be8b_largehttp://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/6e9bfcd65725be8b_large


She's got Bette Davis legs and eyes.
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/8aebd6ab6ca73bb7_largehttp://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/8aebd6ab6ca73bb7_large

Martin Pal Aug 1, 2018 9:07 PM

.
CAPTION: Pacific Electric Car #5152 westbound on Hollywood Boulevard approaching Highland, circa 1958.
(I believe the P.E. cars were not running by 1958, no?)


https://i.redd.it/h9c6g2cd6bd11.pngRoger Titus

Hollywood Luggage
First Federal Savings of Hollywood
Gruen Watch Time (9:50am or 2:50pm perhaps?)
Hollywood Circle
Pickwick Books
Whirlpool (?: upper left corner)
smoke shop: name?
Taxi: word on white circle--ATLAS?
Street Banner: Los Angeles County Fair Pomona Sept. 17 - Oct. 3
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Above Hollywood Luggage: I don't recall any photos of a building on Hollywood Blvd. with a balcony and (red) awnings...interesting.

ethereal_reality Aug 2, 2018 12:00 AM

I know everyone is probably sick of this photo...but at least I made it smaller ;)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/6UhtQn.jpg
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyB (Post 8268744)
I'm guessing Texas, based on topography and building styles, and it doesn't really look like the LA river to me...the buildings seem too close to it.

I think you're probably correct ScottyB.

I just found a Llewellyn connection in Texas.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/arfVKu.jpg
wpa guide to texas

maybe the photograph is much earlier than the 1890s.

Barstowboy Aug 2, 2018 12:47 AM

Thanks for the greetings, all.
I appreciate the good wishes on the novel. I was able to incorporate tidbits of the little-known (to me, at least) information I've gleaned in the 2400+ pages into the novel so far that adds layers and flavors to the story.
Thanks to what I've found here, it's so much easier to be fully involved with it.
I'm a huge Chandler fan; books and movies.
I wish I had information I could contribute, but I don't.
Now, to sit back and drink at the fountains of your amazing knowledge.

ethereal_reality Aug 2, 2018 1:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barstowboy (Post 8269806)
Now, to sit back and drink at the fountains of your amazing knowledge.

Drink away!

https://imageshack.com/a/img922/9207/Pn7O56.gif
busby fountain 1933

This is the first GIF of this scene that shows the chorines changing positions.

ethereal_reality Aug 2, 2018 1:15 AM

By the way, has anyone heard of this place in North Hollywood?

The Beaver Patch, 12730 Sheridan Way, North Hollywood (W of Laurel Canyon)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/MmpjHw.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...921/qvc0d6.jpg
EBAY
by 'Sessions' do they mean :previous: jazz sessions?
"Home of the Swinging Beavers" cute, real cute.

HenryHuntington Aug 2, 2018 1:17 AM

Martin Pal, thanks for the photo! And your suspicion about the year is correct. Rail service on Hollywood Blvd. ended in the wee hours of Sunday, September 26, 1954.

As the dash sign reads (under magnification) "Instruction Car", I'd guess that the image was taken at least a couple of years before then.

CityBoyDoug Aug 2, 2018 2:25 AM

1953 era

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-y5c4lOIhDQ...ywood+1953.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com

ethereal_reality Aug 2, 2018 2:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8268752)
https://i.imgur.com/tj3NhNq.jpg
imdb.com

"The Worlds's ONLY NEW Educational Hygiene Show"

It must have been part of a drive aimed at getting teenagers to wash behind their ears.

Scene from 'Mom and Dad' [1945]
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/1mhGuy.jpg
YOUTUBE

"Although it faced numerous legal challenges and was condemned by the National Legion of Decency,
'Mom and Dad' became one of the highest-grossing films of the 1940s."
wiki

Let me get this straight...The National Legion of Decency condemned it even with lines like "I feel like a leper." :shrug:
Heaven forbid kids should learn about sex.


thx for info Noir Noir. I appreciate it.

ethereal_reality Aug 2, 2018 2:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8269292)
E_R

Kurt Wahlner said...

I don’t know too much about the gift store on the west side, but the east one is better known.

When the theatre opened, a cigarette and cigar maker named Lickter opened a branch there. (His other store was in the Egyptian).
The store was called “A Puff from Hollywood.” It went out of business in 1931 or so.

After that, a sandwich shop called Radlick’s was in there, then later on the sandwich shop was called Poggi’s from 1943 or so.

Keller’s took over sometime in 1948. I imagine that they discontinued sandwiches with the Cinemiracle remodel in 1958.
In THE APARTMENT shot, you can see “Keller’s” in gold leaf on the center window. In some other shots, it looks like a nice little china shop - very tidy."

:previous: This is truly FANTASTIC information Martin_Pal. Thank you so much!

So oldstuff's neighbor must have managed (owned?) when it was "Keller's"....maybe.
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Wait, what did I just read? Grauman's was used as a location in 'The Apartment'. I thought all the locations were in NYC. :shrug:

ethereal_reality Aug 2, 2018 3:34 AM

re: Ilewellyn Iron Works BOMBING, Dec. 25, 1910
Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8269113)
Continuing our look at the Llewellyn Iron Works, and entering into Noirish territory indeed at this point,
we see that it, like the Los Angeles Times, was dynamited, blamed on Unionist agitators.

If I read this correctly, by the same Unionist agitators.
Heeeere's
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/sydZ4P.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/57KrLC.jpg
LEGAL ETHICS

You hear next to nothing about the Ilewellyn bombing...no doubt because everyone was focused on the Times bombing
that had taken place three months earlier.

PHOTO of Ortie from calisphere. lots of information on Ortie E. McManigal but the Llewellyn bombing is never mentioned. :shrug:
____________________________________________________________________________________________

Thanks for the plethora of information odinthor. very interesting!

Matt Maxwell Aug 2, 2018 3:45 AM

Eastern Columbia, definitely new photo to the forum
 
Here's a very noir-ish shot of the Eastern Columbia building (and for those of you playing along at home, probably my favorite tower in LA).

Shot this March, early morning from the south side of Broadway.

I have a ton more pictures from trips over the last couple years, but am not sure about Flickr as a hosting platform so I haven't gone all in on it yet.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1777/...5bc55987_b.jpgEastern Columbia predawn by Matt Maxwell, on Flickr

Matt Maxwell Aug 2, 2018 3:51 AM

EC - follow up
 
And just to show how good the zoom is on the new camera, this is shot from the same position, more or less (but about an hour later, given the light.)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/933/4...718b7017_b.jpgEastern Columbia clock by Matt Maxwell, on Flickr

ethereal_reality Aug 2, 2018 4:04 AM

:previous: That's a beauty Max Maxwell. You took that yourself? You must have a terrific telephoto lens.

We'll check out your photos on flickr. Thanks for including the link buddy.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 8266459)
How's this for Noirishness? Photo spotted on Tumblr, with no information other than LAPD 10/10/1942. Any sleuths want to take a crack at figuring out what happened, and where?

https://78.media.tumblr.com/85f6cdf0...ccdo1_1280.jpg

This is, indeed...:handguns: a noirish photograph. If I remember correctly, we saw this years ago on nla & were never able to gather up any further information.

If I had access to the Los Angeles Times archive (I don't have a library card since I live far away) I would check out the paper
on the day after 10/10/1942.



hint. hint. hint. hint. ;) hint. hint. hint. hint.

Lorendoc Aug 2, 2018 6:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8269977)
:previous: That's a beauty Max Maxwell. You took that yourself? You must have a terrific telephoto lens.

We'll check out your photos on flickr. Thanks for including the link buddy.



This is, indeed...:handguns: a noirish photograph. If I remember correctly, we saw this years ago on nla & were never able to gather up any further information.

If I had access to the Los Angeles Times archive (I don't have a library card since I live far away) I would check out the paper
on the day after 10/10/1942.



hint. hint. hint. hint. ;) hint. hint. hint. hint.

I am sure that several of the usual suspects have indeed looked at the LA Times as I have, but nada. It could have been just a random vandalizing and not necessarily a gruesome murder. The former of course would be much less newsworthy.

EDIT: yay Odinthor found it! see below

BillinGlendaleCA Aug 2, 2018 6:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt Maxwell (Post 8269962)
Here's a very noir-ish shot of the Eastern Columbia building (and for those of you playing along at home, probably my favorite tower in LA).

Shot this March, early morning from the south side of Broadway.

I have a ton more pictures from trips over the last couple years, but am not sure about Flickr as a hosting platform so I haven't gone all in on it yet.

I'll contribute to the meta; I use Flickr as my general repository for most of the photos that I want to share(usually they're a Work In Progress). Flickr's owned by Smugmug now and they say they're committed to the platform, though I imagine that there will be greater integration into Smugmug(I have my store there).

odinthor Aug 2, 2018 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8269977)
:previous: That's a beauty Max Maxwell. You took that yourself? You must have a terrific telephoto lens.

We'll check out your photos on flickr. Thanks for including the link buddy.



This is, indeed...:handguns: a noirish photograph. If I remember correctly, we saw this years ago on nla & were never able to gather up any further information.

If I had access to the Los Angeles Times archive (I don't have a library card since I live far away) I would check out the paper
on the day after 10/10/1942.



hint. hint. hint. hint. ;) hint. hint. hint. hint.


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e_r, maybe something like this?

https://s26.postimg.cc/q60zhwetl/Shots.jpg
LA Times via ProQuest via CSULB Library

"over differences regarding their dogs???" :koko:

HossC Aug 2, 2018 4:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8269236)

I went looking for the Llewellyn Iron Works factory in Torrance, and found that Arlington and Border Avenues no longer meet in this configuration. I then discovered a 1916 map of Torrance which shows the original road names and the iron works.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nTorrance1.jpg
Detail from raremaps.com

The UCSB aerials include an image from 1928, but it's not great quality. The one below is from May 1, 1947.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nTorrance2.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

Historic Aerials shows the buildings intact in 1980, but this January 25, 1981 view shows them being dismantled...

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nTorrance3.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

...and by January 23, 1982, they're gone.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nTorrance4.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

The former iron works site is now unrecogizable as the home of the American Honda Motor Co, Inc.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...nTorrance5.jpg
Google Maps

odinthor Aug 2, 2018 4:40 PM

John Stiglitz, he of the two bullets shot through the car window, seems always to have been unafraid to act upon his feelings of right and wrong:

https://s26.postimg.cc/aw5po5iw9/Stiglitz.jpg
All images LA Times via ProQuest via CSULB Library

Edit Add:

Here is the family in happier days:

https://s26.postimg.cc/v4xonpurd/Queenie.jpg
LA Times 6/16/1930, via ProQuest via CSULB Library


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