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odinthor Jul 31, 2018 9:31 PM

This may be of interest!

https://s26.postimg.cc/nbj38dde1/Llew_Art.jpg
Los Angeles Times via ProQuest via CSULB Library

GaylordWilshire Jul 31, 2018 10:42 PM

:previous:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DG_id8YSm...17xUSETHIS.jpg


Where the Llewellyns lived: 7 Berkeley Square

Even Ann Miller makes an appearance.

Barstowboy Jul 31, 2018 11:39 PM

Thanks for the knowledge!
 
Hello, all:
While I'm newly registered, I've been going through the 2400+ pages since I found this amazing site doing research for a 'noirish' novel set in 1972. I never lived in LA, brief visits only - see my username where in SoCal I did live in the mid 1950s to mid 1960s, but I've had a special fondness for LA. I continue to be stunned at the depth and breadth of knowledge on display here. This is a great site and thanks for everyone sharing their incredible knowledge.:cheers:

Noir_Noir Jul 31, 2018 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8268202)

"Hollywood 1930s"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/lWPjCw.jpg
hollyhocks and tulips

I'm almost certain the sign says 'Hollywood Maryland Grill'. Is anyone familiar with that establishment?


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The building was the offices of the Hollywood News newspaper for about five years from 1922. Here's a movie crew on location in front of it, next door to the Security Trust and Savings Bank building.


https://i.imgur.com/2eDKcuF.jpg
waterandpower.org

odinthor Jul 31, 2018 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barstowboy (Post 8268400)
Hello, all:
While I'm newly registered, I've been going through the 2400+ pages since I found this amazing site doing research for a 'noirish' novel set in 1972. I never lived in LA, brief visits only - see my username where in SoCal I did live in the mid 1950s to mid 1960s, but I've had a special fondness for LA. I continue to be stunned at the depth and breadth of knowledge on display here. This is a great site and thanks for everyone sharing their incredible knowledge.:cheers:

Warmest Angeleno welcome, Barstowboy! :tup:

Lomara Aug 1, 2018 12:39 AM

Hollywood Maryland Grill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8268202)
'mystery' location

"Hollywood 1930s"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/lWPjCw.jpg
hollyhocks and tulips

I'm almost certain the sign says 'Hollywood Maryland Grill'. Is anyone familiar with that establishment?

p.s. I like how the two girls are dressed. Would this have been a bold statement for the 1930s?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8268401)
The building was the offices of the Hollywood News newspaper for about five years from 1922. Here's a movie crew on location in front of it, next door to the Security Trust and Savings Bank building.


https://i.imgur.com/2eDKcuF.jpg
waterandpower.org

This appears to be the same building used by the Scum and Villainy Cantina. But the cantina's address is now 6377, not 6379 Hollywood.

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/850/4...7c584ff8_c.jpg
6379 Hollywood by Kimberly, on Flickr

ethereal_reality Aug 1, 2018 3:00 AM

Scum and Villiany Cafe?

Where the heck did they come up with that name?

Am I missing something :shrug:

ethereal_reality Aug 1, 2018 3:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barstowboy (Post 8268400)
Hello, all:
While I'm newly registered, I've been going through the 2400+ pages since I found this amazing site doing research for a 'noirish' novel set in 1972.
I never lived in LA, brief visits only - see my username where in SoCal I did live in the mid 1950s to mid 1960s, but I've had a special fondness for LA.
I continue to be stunned at the depth and breadth of knowledge on display here. This is a great site and thanks for everyone sharing their incredible knowledge.

Good luck on your novel Barstowboy. I'm glad nla has been helpful to you.

You're no doubt familiar with the movie 'The Long Goodbye' from 1973. If not, make sure you see it.
It's a neo-noir based on the Raymond Chandler novel of the same name.

BDiH Aug 1, 2018 4:05 AM

[QUOTE=riichkay;8267167]



http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psp6odfmas.jpg
1953

Great photo and I remember all the shops and businesses in it. Andrew Castle's Camera, the Spotlight, before it moved to Cahuenga, the Santa Fe ticket office, which had an "O" Gauge Super Chief electric train in the window, the Plaza Hotel and coffee shop, the Broadway and more, not visible in the picture.

The bank at Selma and Vine had a plaque commemorating The Squaw Man, and inside there was a display of Carl "Alfalfa" Switzer's belongings, shortly after his murder in 1959. Across the street, on the southeast corner, was the old RCA building.

In 1953, the area shown was still referred to as Radio City, even though television was booming. Many radio stars still strolled Vine Street, on their way to perform or on their way to lunch.

William Frawley, Jack Bailey, Bob Barker, Steve Allen, Red Skelton, Percy Kilbride (Pa Kettle), Slapsy Maxie, Willard Watterman (the Great Gildersleeve) and many more could be seen daily.

By the late 1950s and through 1960s, the area was overtaken by television production. A new generation of celebrities filled the booths at the Brown Derby, Hody's and the Westerner.

ABC had a host of daily TV shows, from Steve Allen to Dinah Shore and Pat Boone. Buses outside the Vine Street studio would take people off the street to the Prospect location to watch programs such as Soupy Sales. Lawrence Welk took over the Palladium. Queen for a Day was at the Moulin Rouge and Bing Crosby hosted the Hollywood Palace at the old El Capitan.

tovangar2 Aug 1, 2018 4:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8268593)
Scum and Villiany Cafe?

Where the heck did they come up with that name?

Am I missing something :shrug:

Star Wars reference

Video Link


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ETA:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 8266459)
How's this for Noirishness? Photo spotted on Tumblr, with no information other than LAPD 10/10/1942. Any sleuths want to take a crack at figuring out what happened, and where?


No more info, but more pix from that spectacular set are here

ethereal_reality Aug 1, 2018 4:22 AM

I realize we've discussed Llewelyn in the past...but
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8268254)
This may be of interest!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/KZSl1Y.jpg
Los Angeles Times via ProQuest via CSULB Library

:previous: This is very interesting odinthor. So did this Main St. expansion plan come to fruition?

I ask...because I don't know how large the Main St. location was when it closed and moved to Torrance. (was it 6 acres or 12 acres?)

from 1905 (6 acres)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/9qhMdx.jpg
california newspaper archive

I also don't know the date that Llewellyn moved to Torrance. (we probably have covered this before...but I can't recall)




So is everyone in agreement that this is a very early photograph of the Main St. location? (remember it said "Iiewellyn Iron Works Los Angeles" on the back of the photo)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/BN1HGv.jpg
EBAY [unlisted now]

If so, then that would be the Los Angeles River in the foreground.


If that's the case, the photographer would have been....(see below in red)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/o2GSV2.jpg
amoeba

Does that spot even come close to working? Is this area as hilly as what we see in the photograph?

Remember...it's possible the photograph was taken 15 years before this map was illustrated.

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sadykadie2 Aug 1, 2018 5:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8268593)
Scum and Villiany Cafe?

Where the heck did they come up with that name?

Am I missing something :shrug:

It's a line from Star Wars, Episode 4 when Obi Wan Kenobi is taking Luke Skywalker to Mos Eisley---- "Mos Eisley spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy".

ethereal_reality Aug 1, 2018 5:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8268252)
Hollywood Maryland Grill was at 6379 Hollywood Boulevard. It appears in the 1937 CD.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...dMaryland1.jpg
www.instagram.com

Thanks Hoss. Why Maryland I wonder?

I didn't realize that building used to be home to the Hollywood News Noir Noir.

and the little building is still there! thx Lomara. :)
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update:

There's an issue of the 'Hollywood News' on EBAY

This ad is in it. (from 1947)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/hr2eYF.jpg

Separate performances for Men and Women. What's that all about? :shrug:

ScottyB Aug 1, 2018 6:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8268665)
So is everyone in agreement that this is a very early photograph of the Main St. location? (remember it said "Iiewellyn Iron Works Los Angeles" on the back of the photo)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/BN1HGv.jpg
EBAY [unlisted now]


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I'm guessing Texas, based on topography and building styles, and it doesn't really look like the LA river to me.... the buildings seem too close to it.

Noir_Noir Aug 1, 2018 7:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8268717)
This ad is in it. (from 1947)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/hr2eYF.jpg

Separate performances for Men and Women. What's that all about? :shrug:


https://i.imgur.com/tj3NhNq.jpg
imdb.com


"The Worlds's ONLY NEW Educational Hygiene Show"


It must have been part of a drive aimed at getting teenagers to wash behind their ears.

Handsome Stranger Aug 1, 2018 8:44 AM

Scum and Villainy is now my second favorite business name ever. (First place still goes to a hair salon named Curl Up and Dye.)

odinthor Aug 1, 2018 4:42 PM

Continuing our look at the Llewellyn Iron Works (I'll continue researching), and entering into Noirish territory indeed at this point, we see that it, like the Los Angeles Times, was dynamited, blamed on Unionist agitators.

All pix Los Angeles Times via ProQuest via CSULB Library, resized, compacted, and (in the "continued" part) with only selected paragraphs from the article.

https://s26.postimg.cc/hx712l595/LlewDyn1.jpg

https://s26.postimg.cc/n8lxnbeh5/LlewDyn2a.jpg

https://s26.postimg.cc/9roz4grax/LlewDyn2b.jpg

https://s26.postimg.cc/hkfmwgkfd/LlewDyn2c.jpg

Martin Pal Aug 1, 2018 5:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handsome Stranger (Post 8268767)
Scum and Villainy is now my second favorite business name ever.

A couple other interesting ones I recall...one was also a hair styling place, in Encino if I recall correctly, and it was called The Mane Event. I remember another one on Robertson Blvd. called My Son the Hairdresser. Another was also a place on Robertson Blvd. It was called Snow White Photography and under the name in cursive neon it said: "Someday your prints will come."

odinthor Aug 1, 2018 5:46 PM

Los Angeles Times via ProQuest via CSULB Library:

https://s26.postimg.cc/u4666he3t/Human.jpg

odinthor Aug 1, 2018 5:57 PM

Select articles pertaining to the Llewellyn Iron Works and its efforts in Torrance (where its new quarters were reported on May 14, 1913 to be "nearing readiness" to commence work); as always, Los Angeles Times via ProQuest via CSULB Library:

https://s26.postimg.cc/bolp93fex/LlewTor1.jpg

https://s26.postimg.cc/6py6ukjbt/LlewTor2.jpg

https://s26.postimg.cc/xb0pq4tex/LlewTor3.jpg

Reported 2/17/1929: Merger of Llewellyn Iron Works, Baker Iron Works, and Union Iron Works into a firm to be known as Consolidated Steel Corporation. And so we take leave of the Llewellyn Iron Works!

But meanwhile have I answered e_r's question about acreage at the Main St. site? Um . . . no . . . :shrug:


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