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BillinGlendaleCA Jul 5, 2018 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 8242125)
So, rebuild it a little wider, instead of replacing it with that ridiculous Fruit Loops thing that's claimed to be a homage to the old bridge. Or, as EW said, they could've just remedied the concrete problem.

My understanding is that one of the options was to repair the old bridge but that turned out to not be a viable solution due to the severity of the damage and the cost to make it seismically safe. So you're back to building a new bridge, I don't remember all the design proposals, but this is the one the city wanted.

sopas ej Jul 5, 2018 10:20 PM

I think the new bridge is gonna look pretty cool. It'll create new imagery for a 21st Century Los Angeles.

http://www.mmaltzan.com/wp-content/u..._viaduct_8.jpg
Michael Maltzan Architecture

riichkay Jul 5, 2018 10:46 PM

Two young men from N.J. traveled cross country in their MG, August 1967...the full trip is here:

https://mvschulze.com/2013/08/08/the...day-1-and-2-2/

Day 6 had them here in town, at a relative's house in Van Nuys....they headed over Beverly Glen, stopped to photograph the stilt houses on Oakfield Drive...

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psgtknotsg.jpg


And now:

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psqh7crf1c.png

The boys were at a higher angle than the GSV...I suspect that they were on a street on the opposite ridge...in the GSV, just to the right of the telephone pole is a house with a distinctive roof that swoops upward, you can match up that same house in the '67 picture....the house with the swooping roof is on Beverly Ridge Dr....I live on the same street, about 10 doors down from that home....


The boys made the obligatory trip to Hollywood Blvd. and the Strip...

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...pso2pwkhyc.jpg


http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psjrrxtxr6.jpg


http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...pseddrf2ih.jpg


They were still on the Strip that night, when they came across a fellow selling
animal skin rugs in front of a gas station across from the Playboy Club building...

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...psfijzjdyv.jpg

The boys purchased a couple of rugs as gifts for their girlfriends, back in N.J...transported in the trunk of that tiny car.

Earl Boebert Jul 5, 2018 11:55 PM

^^^^^^

Cross country in an MGB is like infantry: A young person's game.

Cheers,

Earl

ScottyB Jul 6, 2018 7:49 AM

Alameda & Olive
 
A little late for the go-kart discussion, I know, but as I was admiring a line of oaks no doubt defining the course of a spring on the eventual NBC studios lot (Alameda and Olive crossing diagonally upper left, lower right area is current site of Johnny Carson park)....

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/913/2...b4a734fe_b.jpg
UCSB

I noticed a small oval cart track and a dirt track next to it (current site of the new Whole Foods market/condo complex)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/922/2...bc67f9e7_h.jpg
UCSB

Anybody know anything about this?

Also there is what appears to be a movie lot (or a mining operation?).......I can't remember if I remember knowing something about this. I need a lot of help, clearly.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1808/...8144cb29_h.jpg
UCSB

And belated happy birthday to you, ER, you mean a lot to all of us!:cheers:

CaliNative Jul 6, 2018 8:05 AM

[QUOTE=riichkay;8242658]Two young men from N.J. traveled cross country in their MG, August 1967...the full trip is here:

http://i1381.photobucket.com/albums/...pseddrf2ih.jpg

Takes me back to the mid 1960s when I saw the Doors on the Strip about a year after the Whiskey a go go "riots" (just kids letting off some steam). Everything changed. Broke on through to the other side. I remember seeing them filming a movie called "The Graduate" about that time. I wonder how it did?

oldstuff Jul 6, 2018 1:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 8242713)
^^^^^^

Cross country in an MGB is like infantry: A young person's game.

Cheers,

Earl

In 1977 my husband had just gotten out of the Army in Washington, D.C. and we came back across the country in a Datsun 240Z. Yes, we were young, and I was 8 months pregnant..... Not something I would want to do again, at least not in that car.

Ed Workman Jul 6, 2018 1:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8242327)
My understanding is that one of the options was to repair the old bridge but that turned out to not be a viable solution due to the severity of the damage and the cost to make it seismically safe. So you're back to building a new bridge, I don't remember all the design proposals, but this is the one the city wanted.

I found I have a report-executive summary- of LA Bridges as of 3 july 2002
The report explains what /how bridges are inspected by LA City folks lists the classifications of condition and has 8 pp of tables that show the rating and potential replacement cost for each bridge in the city
Sixth St is shown to be 'Functionally Obsolete" with a rating of 50% D.
Back then F meant replace it. The code for Siesmic Obsolescence, SO, was NOT SHOWN for Sixth
The estimated cost to replace is 45-46 million$

I wonder what the estimate is in 2016 dollars, and if the present projection is less than twice the budgeted price when the project got a GO

I'd be VERY surprised if the price that will be paid is much , if any, less than $billion

Visually excrescent, but at least the scale is more fitting than what I pictured when a 'cable stayed' bridge was announced years ago, and that was the style that featured high pylons and long spans- I think one was built in Boston. Fine for the Columbia River, or Switzerland , but totally out of scale in an urban setting- whew that was a close one.

As Bill said
The City wanted it- IIRC Villagarosa was mayor
Vanity beats history , as usual

Costs and schedules produced by gov't and their lackeys [ or in Mao-speak, running dogs] almost always end up as 1/2 to 2/3 the advertised

Yet there stands Roebling's bridge over the East River, probly cuz you can stroll or bicycle across it. ANd it is still sold regularly

Ed Workman, recovering structural engineer, trained in architect school,
Geezer, Grump and Cynic, all learned at great expense and effort

oldstuff Jul 6, 2018 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottyB (Post 8242984)
A little late for the go-kart discussion, I know, but as I was admiring a line of oaks no doubt defining the course of a spring on the eventual NBC studios lot (Alameda and Olive crossing diagonally upper left, lower right area is current site of Johnny Carson park)....

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/913/2...b4a734fe_b.jpg
UCSB

I noticed a small oval cart track and a dirt track next to it (current site of the new Whole Foods market/condo complex)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/922/2...bc67f9e7_h.jpg
UCSB

Anybody know anything about this?

Also there is what appears to be a movie lot (or a mining operation?).......I can't remember if I remember knowing something about this. I need a lot of help, clearly.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1808/...8144cb29_h.jpg
UCSB

And belated happy birthday to you, ER, you mean a lot to all of us!:cheers:

Scotty,

Did your picture have a date? My aunt and uncle lived about a quarter mile from that intersection and maybe my cousins would known something about it. Three boys, all very into cars.

Since they have not done anything with the land right now there is an aerial photo and in the current view you can see a very faint "ghost" of the oval track.

As to your line of oaks, they did run near a natural streambed. My aunt and uncle lived on Niagara Street, just to the north of that area, and before Burbank had flood control, Niagara would turn into a river when it rained hard. My oldest cousin asked his mother, if he built a boat, would she ride down Niagara in it with him when it rained. She said she would, and my cousin proceeded to build the boat and then, in a pouring rainstorm, they rode down the block in his boat. Unfortunately, no one took a picture of him and his boat. He went on to build yachts.

Martin Pal Jul 6, 2018 6:39 PM

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Apologies in advance, and you may skip this post of course, but I hear the name Frank Gehry and I have to vent:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Workman (Post 8242003)
Why not replace, say the Washington Monument with a Frank Gehry Horror because the elevator is too small and the stairs don't comply with ADA?
_________________________________________________________________


Gehry designs for the Washington Monument.

http://www.ctbuh.org/Portals/0/Media...ishTower_1.jpg

http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTall...n-US/view.aspx


These are actually being built in Toronto. Gehry was born in Toronto. (They invited him back?) A Gehry quote: "Toronto has grown to look like every other screwed-up city," he told the Toronto Star. I'm assuming his next words were "And I'm going to help you screw it up even more."

Also something he wants to build in Toronto:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D5lo-jcJFN.../toronto+2.jpg

From an article announcing this:

"A massive new project by architect Frank Gehry in the heart of Toronto’s theatre district seems to have caught the city off guard."

Ya think?

This is how Gehry designs his buildings...he pours potato chips out of a bag and voila:

https://www.weinerelementary.org/upl...36513030_3.jpg

Here's his design for the Warner Bros. Looney Tunes Concert Hall in Burbank:

http://www.designindaba.com/sites/de...?itok=iloM3u9R

Martin Pal Jul 6, 2018 6:42 PM

.

Speaking of building things, though...I read this on Monday:

A proposed gondola from Union Station to Dodger Stadium has advanced to a second stage
of consideration, Metro announced this week. The transit agency confirmed that it received
an unsolicited bid from Aerial Rapid Transit Technologies.


http://i.epochtimes.com/assets/uploa...01-600x400.jpgABC7

A video outlning a route:

Video Link

ethereal_reality Jul 6, 2018 6:45 PM

'mystery' cross
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tovangar2


So all along the cross was hiding in plain sight.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/BWN6QN.jpg
date unknown museumsanfernandovalley donated by Gary Fredburg in 2011

If you're unable to locate it see the detail below.



< < < < < 1913 postcard
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/JamBJU.jpghttps://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/xmwsU5.jpg

The cross is near the right shoulder of the man in the middle.






You get an exceptional view of the cross in this 1885 photograph.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/qoZrXX.jpg
uscdigitalarchive



Detail
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/kMDQru.jpg

Can you tell what kind of bush is at the foot of the cross odinthor?


MUST. FIND. CROSS.

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ethereal_reality Jul 6, 2018 7:22 PM

color me....gullible?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 8241284)
Independence Day extra of the Los Angeles Star:

https://s26.postimg.cc/gidjalpx5/Procession1.jpg

You're messing with my mind, right? (there wasn't really a Senor e_r)

Now I'm curious...was there really a Jake Phillippi's Beer Garden on Fort Hill--
___


Thanks so much for the birthday wishes comrades :)

ethereal_reality Jul 6, 2018 7:46 PM

Here is a truly astonishing photograph.

The entire police force of Los Angeles [c.1904]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/M1Yaic.jpg
GUARDIANS OF ANGELS


"This particular photograph of the entire Los Angeles Police Department, taken circa 1904, has continually been mistakenly marked as being snapped in 1890.
To photo historians, this 14-year error is important to correct. The image was taken at the entry to the newly constructed Los Angeles County Courthouse at Broadway and Temple Street.
The building was completed 1891."
JAMES BULTEMA



Some serious sleuthing going on below:

"If one was to accept the date of 1890, then I would argue, where is Chief John Glass (1889-1899), who was never absent from any LAPD group photograph during his tenure.
No one in the photograph has the stars of the chief of police displayed on their uniform. They all wear the series two badge that was worn from 1890 to 1909."



"Those present for this official portrait of the LAPD lends itself to identifying the year of the image. Standing at attention, with his trademark long, drooping mustache, is Walter Auble (front row on left),
who was chief of police from 1905 to 1906—a year after this photo was taken. The chief of police in 1904 was William Hammell. Why he would not be present for this significant image is not known,
but he is nowhere to be found.
The two ladies present give substance to the date of 1904. The diminutive Lucy Gray and her daughter Aletha Gilbert (1902-1929) are given the prominent position of being framed
by Auble and the Detective Bureau. Matron Gray died in March of 1904, eliminating the date of 1905 when Auble was chief."



"Chief Walter Auble would serve one year as chief and would later be gunned down by a burglary suspect. Lucy Gray died of pneumonia shortly after this photo was taken.
Aletha Gilbert became LA’s first “City Mother” and served the LAPD until her retirement in 1929. The iconic Los Angeles County Courthouse was torn down in 1932."


James Bultema at guardiansofangels

odinthor Jul 6, 2018 8:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243507)
[...] Detail
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/kMDQru.jpg

Can you tell what kind of bush is at the foot of the cross odinthor?

[...]

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Hmmm, e_r, hard to say; but it wouldn't surprise me if it was a Wax Privet (Ligustrum lucidum, ever-popular for clipping into one shape or another.

Tourmaline Jul 6, 2018 8:29 PM

Cahuenga Pass vaguely resembles PCH?

Quote:

September 2, 1955 reads, 'Hot impatient motorists pulled to side of Hollywood Freeway en route to Valley as vapor locks caused by excessive heat stalled at least 200 cars. Later afternoon traffic was near standstill, with one lane blocked off for stalled cars. Extra police and tow cars were assigned to area.' LAPL
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...DMX=0&DMY=0&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=512&DMY=0&DM
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...512&DMY=512&DMLAPL


Meanwhile approximately thirty years later, no vapor lock in sight at the Bonaventure pool.

1984
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...DMX=0&DMY=0&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=512&DMY=0&DM
http://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...X=0&DMY=512&DMhttp://tessa.lapl.org/utils/ajaxhelp...512&DMY=512&DMLAPL

odinthor Jul 6, 2018 8:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243553)
You're messing with my mind, right?

Who, me? ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243553)
(there wasn't really a Senor e_r)

Now I'm curious...was there really a Jake Phillippi's Beer Garden on Fort Hill--
___
[...]

From my notes: [Jake Phillippi was] one of the first to locate on the Market St. side of Temple’s new south wing of the Temple Block; there he conducted a sort of Kneipe [beer-hall] on the north side of Market St.; 1882, cited for violating the Sunday law. 1882, "made an extended visit through the Eastern States and old Mexico. After his return the following year, he established ‘The Gardens,’ at Buena Vista [on Fort Hill], and made extensive improvements; but on account of ill health sold the place to Mrs. Banning. Since then he has not been engaged in active business” (Illustrated History of Los Angeles County, p. 605).

Oh, good gracious, e_r, you want more on Phillippi? Very well: October 20, 1836, born in “Merzlich Kartaus, on the River Mossel, near the old Roman city of Trier, in the Rhine Province of Prussia” (Illustrated History, p. 605); “He emigrated to America when only sixteen years of age, spent one winter in Cincinnatti and then went to St. Louis, after which he ran on steamboats between there and New Orleans. He was for a time in the employ of the Government at Leavenworth, Kansas. In 1855 he hired out to Waddell & Russell, the great transportation company, to drive team, his first trip being made to New Mexico. […] In 1857 he went on the Government surveying expedition, under General Joe Johnson, running the south line of the State of Kansas. […] During the fall of [1858], fifteen of them [teamsters?] started from Salt Lake with mule teams, for Southern California. The mules gave out and the party were compelled to walk from Camp Floyd [in Utah] to Los Angeles. They were disturbed by the Indians, who stole their provisions, and in consequence they suffered for want of food. They reached Los Angeles in November, 1858. Upon his arrival here, Mr. Philippi went up to San Francisco. After prospecting for a time in the mines, he went to Stockton and Napa City, California, and the following year returned to Los Angeles, where he was in the employ of the Government, while General Hancock was in command, until 1861. Then he worked for General Banning as teamster. In the fall of 1862 he started a grocery, and after running it for a time, and not being successful, he again went to work for General Banning. In November, 1864, he bought a saloon at the corner of Market and Main streets, and carried on the business there and in that block and at the People’s Hall on Market street for eighteen years” (op. cit., p. 605); October 23, 1869, married Wilhelmina Burkhardt; 1870, present in L.A. as a saloon keeper with savings of $1,000 and real estate valued at $1,500. (Followed by the quote above.)

PS: There was a Philo Jacoby too...

CityBoyDoug Jul 6, 2018 9:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8243499)
.
Apologies in advance, and you may skip this post of course, but I hear the name Frank Gehry and I have to vent:





Gehry designs for the Washington Monument.




These are actually being built in Toronto. Gehry was born in Toronto. (They invited him back?) A Gehry quote: "Toronto has grown to look like every other screwed-up city," he told the Toronto Star. I'm assuming his next words were "And I'm going to help you screw it up even more."


From an article announcing this:

"A massive new project by architect Frank Gehry in the heart of Toronto’s theatre district seems to have caught the city off guard."

Ya think?

This is how Gehry designs his buildings...he pours potato chips out of a bag and voila:

https://www.weinerelementary.org/upl...36513030_3.jpg

Here's his design for the Warner Bros. Looney Tunes Concert Hall in Burbank:

http://www.designindaba.com/sites/de...?itok=iloM3u9R

FG is easy to understand from his psychological profile: Basically the bottom line is that he hates people.

One college on the east coast has had to demolish one of his new buildings as they find it impossible to waterproof and to maintain the goofy structure. The Board of Directors just decided it was cheaper to demo it than to make constant repairs. They learned their lesson the hard way with this design freak.:hell:

BTW its rumored that he often uses wadded up toilet paper or tin foil as his design inspiration.


a FG sketch for some uber rich oil client. I guess it was paid for and approved.

https://hyperallergic.com/wp-content...209_g-ad-5.jpg
hyp dot com

HossC Jul 6, 2018 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8243583)

"This particular photograph of the entire Los Angeles Police Department, taken circa 1904, has continually been mistakenly marked as being snapped in 1890.
To photo historians, this 14-year error is important to correct.

...

The iconic Los Angeles County Courthouse was torn down in 1932."

Shame they got the demo date wrong!

The old County Courthouse as it is being demolished, 1936

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
USC Digital Library

sopas ej Jul 6, 2018 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8243679)
One college on the east coast has had to demolish one of his new buildings as they find it impossible to waterproof and to maintain the goofy structure. The Board of Directors just decided it was cheaper to demo it than to make constant repairs.

Oh, do you mean the building he did for MIT? That's too bad; I actually liked that building, it breaks up the monotony of the boxes around it.

This street view is from last year: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3624...2!8i6656?hl=en


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