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HossC Jan 12, 2016 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 7294755)

Grace Nazarine Church was listed in the 1942 City Directory at 7006 S. Menlo Ave., which means that we're looking at the S-curve that brought the LARy/LATL F-line from Hoover St. to its junction with the U-Line at Florence and Vermont. The Googlemobile seems to show that the apartment building to the left of the church remains, now at 7022 S. Menlo. The church itself has relocated to 109th Place and Normandie Ave.

When HenryHuntington identified the location of e_r's recent "mystery location", I went to check it out. The "S-curve" is clearly visible on the 1921 Baist map.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
www.historicmapworks.com

It's also marked on this 1934 Electric Car and Bus Routes map.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
www.bigmapblog.com

However, by 1952, almost no trace of the S-curve can be seen.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
Historic Aerials

Today, only the buildings on the east side of S Vermont between W 71st Street and W Florence Avenue give any clue to where the F-line used to run.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
Google Maps


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Thanks for your location identification of Sardi's Wilshire, GW.

ethereal_reality Jan 13, 2016 12:35 AM

OK, a little help here.

This photograph dated 1928 shows film actress Sally Eilers and Ralph Mackey posing for a publicity shot for "The Good-Bye Kiss".

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...908/j7RUOM.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/69970/rec/8



If you turn the photograph over, this label is attached to the back.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/320...903/oRVoaS.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co...id/69970/rec/8

But if you look at the photograph Hoss posted earlier http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=33059,
it doesn't appear to match the roof of the Cinderella Roof building.



And yet, if you study the view in the background, it does seem to be in the right location as the Cinderella Roof.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...633/cXHiHf.jpg
detail

So what do you think? Are they standing on the roof of the Cinderella Roof?
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HossC Jan 13, 2016 1:27 AM

:previous:

I think the picture was taken at the back of the roof of the building with the colonnade front. I've arrowed the rough location on this 1927 aerial view.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...7.jpg~original
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

Here's a slightly different angle from the front with a better view of the roof. This image dates from 1930.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
Detail of picture in USC Digital Library

ethereal_reality Jan 13, 2016 2:01 AM

Oh I see. I was looking for the balustrade in the publicity photo.


I see it now (red arrow)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...903/Oe6O1f.jpg

I wonder why the photographer didn't take the actors to the front of the building?
-it just seems like an odd spot on the roof to take a photo.

The good news is, we have another Cinderella Roof photograph. :)
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...907/D5g3iV.jpg

:previous:top portion of an exhibitor's contract.
To see the rest of the contract go can here: http://scripophily.net/gobyekico.html

Noircitydame Jan 13, 2016 2:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7296850)
Sardi's Wilshire was at 6594 San Vicente. BP appears to have been issued March 23, 1937. Looks like during the '40s it became--or at least the address became--the Wilshire Seacomber and then Jerry's Joynt....

So great that Hoss C. posted this photo.

Alice Faye and "Sugie" (Harry Sugarman, of the Tropics Beverly Hills) opened The Club Car, at San Vicente & Wilshire in February 1941. I guess this was it.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k.../2-16-41_1.jpg 2-16-41
"Cocktails in the Autogaph Bar"

It doesn't seem to have operated very long, because by NYE 1941 it had become Sardi's Wilshire.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...e/12-31-41.jpg 12-31-41"Cocktails in the Rainbow Room"

I wonder about this place, if it had gangster/mob backing.

Jerry's Joynt was advertising here as of 1943.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...jerrys1947.jpg Jerry's Joynt ad 1947.

Lila Leeds got into a scuffle at an unnamed cafe here in June 1949 followed by drunk driving in the 100 block of Gale Dr.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...lle/6-7-49.jpg 6-7-1949

Frank Kerwin opened his Wilshire Seacomber 11-1-1950. It was still Seacomber when there was an arson fire here in November 1953.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...0seacomber.jpg Wilshire Seacomber ad Nov 1950

CityBoyDoug Jan 13, 2016 4:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 7296351)
How cool! I have a vintage 32oz bottle of Soil Off but never realized before it was a local product.

:previous:
Do you suppose that neon was orange?

Oh my...I see that your bottle of Soil-Off hasn't been used much. :D:D

Slauson Slim Jan 13, 2016 5:44 AM

The bottom two photos in HossC's post 33082 show the block bounded by West 70th and 71st Street, and South Hoover Street and South Menlo Avenue. It was the site of Mount Carmel High School, my alma mater.

The b&w photo shows the school.

MCHS, a boys Catholic high school run by the Carmelite Order, was established in 1935 and closed in 1976. It was closed due to declining enrollment and a change in the demographics of the surrounding neighborhoods from which the school drew students.

Here is a website about the school - great pictures, note the changes in dress, styles and cars:

http://mtcarmelcrusaders.org

The school was used for interiors and some exteriors of the Ramones movie Rock and Roll High School, and was blown up at the end of the movie.

pip Jan 13, 2016 5:54 AM

This is an excellent thread. Could spent all night here, wish Chicago had one like it

Noircitydame Jan 13, 2016 6:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7297306)
Oh my...I see that your bottle of Soil-Off hasn't been used much. :D:D

Hey, a bottlecap of that stuff can clean a whole house for a year, I swear. So, 80 years times... ok, I never use it.

CityBoyDoug Jan 13, 2016 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 7297389)
Hey, a bottlecap of that stuff can clean a whole house for a year, I swear. So, 80 years times... ok, I never use it.

LOL.....Where can I get this miracle stuff? ;););) Oh, I guess I can't anymore. :(
:previous:

GaylordWilshire Jan 13, 2016 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slauson Slim (Post 7297362)
The bottom two photos in HossC's post 33082 show the block bounded by West 70th and 71st Street, and South Hoover Street and South Menlo Avenue. It was the site of Mount Carmel High School, my alma mater.

The b&w photo shows the school.

MCHS, a boys Catholic high school run by the Carmelite Order, was established in 1935 and closed in 1976. It was closed due to declining enrollment and a change in the demographics of the surrounding neighborhoods from which the school drew students.

Here is a website about the school - great pictures, note the changes in dress, styles and cars:

http://mtcarmelcrusaders.org

The school was used for interiors and some exteriors of the Ramones movie Rock and Roll High School, and was blown up at the end of the movie.


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--...5%252520AM.jpg
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_...2520AM.bmp.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKUHFI1dnKo

oldstuff Jan 13, 2016 3:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7297306)
Oh my...I see that your bottle of Soil-Off hasn't been used much. :D:D

We must have used ours, since I recall there being a bottle stored somewhere at my house with only a little left in the bottom

Noircitydame Jan 13, 2016 3:33 PM

All this talk in the news about the Rams coming back to Los Angeles has brought it to my attention that they aren't in fact in Los Angeles now. I don't read the sports sheets much. Last I heard, they'd come from Cleveland in 1946 and, I assumed, stayed happily ever after.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...lle/rams46.jpg files
program for the Los Angeles-Washington charity game of September 6, 1946. LA won this one 16-14

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...monds%20ad.jpg Desmond's ad in a November 1946 Rams program

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...le/7-25-46.jpg LAT 7-25-46 about the Los Angles-Washington charity game of August 24, 1946. "More stars than you'll find in a planetarium. " Unfortunately the Rams lost 16-0
I guess this probably means the Dons aren't in Los Angeles anymore, either.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...acmedons46.jpg
Acme, the beer with the high I.Q. sponsors the radio broadcast of the Dons-Yankees football game Nov 10-11-1946

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...onsprogram.jpg
Dons-Yankees program 1946, ebay.

Noircitydame Jan 13, 2016 4:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 7297473)
LOL.....Where can I get this miracle stuff? ;););) Oh, I guess I can't anymore. :(
:previous:

Somewhere... in a warehouse in Glendale....

ethereal_reality Jan 13, 2016 4:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7296960)
When HenryHuntington identified the location of e_r's recent "mystery location", I went to check it out. The "S-curve" is clearly visible on the 1921 Baist map.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
www.historicmapworks.com

:previous: Thanks for this Hoss.

While snooping around in the area I happened across this interesting building. (circled below)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...633/uCTTSl.jpg
google_earth




Looking worse for wear, it was no-doubt a fine looking art deco building back in the day.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...911/jb5lPK.jpg
gsv

St. Joseph Grand Lodge, 7101 S. Menlo Avenue




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...910/fgfzhu.jpg
gsv



art deco entrance (missing two lighting fixtures)
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...910/GmUh6z.jpg
detail

roof line
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...907/Lpc8Gr.jpgdetail

:previous: Unfortunate about the cheap window replacements.
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Also of note in the area (a half block north from the deco lodge) is this auditorium entrance at St. Raphael Elementary School on W. 70th Street.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...633/yXt4Fb.jpg
gsv



And here's the other end of the parochial school. (I especially like the bay window. Could this be the principal's office?)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...911/cLuNtn.jpg
gsv

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HossC Jan 13, 2016 5:02 PM

:previous:

"Exterior view of the South Ebell Club building located at 7101 S. Menlo Street. The new $18,000 modernistic clubhouse was formally opened with ceremonies attended by club federation officials. Photograph dated: October 2, 1930."

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...b.jpg~original
LAPL

BifRayRock Jan 13, 2016 5:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7296745)









:previous: They look like port holes, but street numbers "6594" appear on the extreme right of the structure (nearest Wilshire).;)

For a little context, posts from the immediate area, circa 1940 can be found here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=20226 . Sardi's (or whatever it was called in 1940) low profile keeps it hidden in these pictures. Tracks may have provided a convenient means of transporting "Sardi's" to that location.


"Palm" Market (looking ~east on Wilshire)
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0



Looking ~west on Wilshire
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XT=&DMROTATE=0




http://i357.photobucket.com/albums/o...z.jpg~original
All from http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/co.../87896/rec/309






HossC Jan 13, 2016 8:06 PM

I'm almost sad that I know where today's Julius Shulman picture was taken, because the last couple of "mystery locations" have generated some great follow-ups. The Lerner Shops seen here was at 749 S Broadway. It's "Job 170: Wurdeman & Becket, Lerner Shops (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1948".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original
Getty Research Institute

The building is still there, but this corner of Broadway is looking a bit tatty. A fresh coat of paint would go a long way to helping the old Lerner Shops store, but I don't understand why only the lower third of the building to the right was clad in mirrored glass.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original
GSV

Martin Pal posted this picture last July. Near the left is the Lerner Shops on Hollywood Boulevard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7090273)

1965
http://hollywoodphotographs.com/photos/lrg/HB-314.jpgTorrence/Hollywood Photographs


Martin Pal Jan 13, 2016 8:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noircitydame (Post 7297623)

The "Yankees" were playing football? In a baseball stadium?

Earl Boebert Jan 13, 2016 9:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7298012)
The "Yankees" were playing football? In a baseball stadium?

Yup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-Am...all_Conference

Cheers,

Earl


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