I live in the same general neighborhood and have always wondered about those two buildings too. Most of the "old Brentwood" pictures focus on San Vicente Blvd. The few I've seen of the Brentwood Country Mart when it was new don't show those buildings on the Santa Monica side of 26th Street. I've often wondered if they weren't intended to be part of a larger complex.
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Among the newly published Gary Winogrand photos from the 1960 Democratic convention is the one above, taken in the Biltmore's Crystal Ballroom. Below, the ballroom in a slightly colorized vintage shot. http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6...llroom945a.jpgPublic Art in L.A. Among the other newly published Winogrand shots from the convention is this one of another hotel: http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9...ybevhilton.jpgThe New York Times The rest of the Winogrand shots are here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...rand-look.html |
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...those big funnel-looking things are emerging from the roof of the auditorium of the Mason Opera House, AKA Mason Theatre. Here's a later, similar shot by Hylen, before that whole block was demo'd for this. You mention the tripartite building, AKA 205 S B'way, I'm sure plenty of people look at it and take it to be modern -- 207-11 S Bway is the Metropolitan Water Bldg, built 1905, and the structure facing Bway and Second, the three-part one, 201-205 S Bway/300 W 2nd is the California Bldg from 1911 (as is its neighbor to the northwest, 312 W 2nd)...sooooo is anything still inside still evident from its pre-WWI vintage? http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7217/7...cdc0cb34_z.jpg |
New Here.
I have been lurking for about a month...not in a weird way...I think. I am laid up with a back injury and unable to work so I have been surfing the web looking for images from the 1920s to do my own "then and now" comparisons. I stumbled upon this site and this thread in particular.
I'm not from LA or even California. I have visited LA when my mother lived there and have always been fascinated with it's history. This thread is fantastic and I've probably gone through every page...more than once. I was intrigued by a post by GaylordWilshire from well over a year ago... http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2937 ...so I did a little investigating. I found the wall at the top of the "mysterious stairs" is at the corner of Hope Plaza and Hope ST. http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/1689/hopey.jpg It's just my opinion, but it looks like it was at one time a modern open stairway and they decided to block it off because too many people thought it was an entrance to the parking garage. I hope y'all don't mind me jumping in and you can tell me to get lost if I become too much of a bother. |
So we're all familiar with the Old Central No 1, as seen in the image above and below:
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5012/5...31dfbf79_z.jpgmine It stands out in lots of images taken from the Hill near Court looking toward Broadway...largely because of its striking two-tone character: http://americanfilmnoir.com/_wp_gene...f690c5d_05.jpgamericanfilmnoir heavy rusticated stone at the bottom, and what appears to be stucco above. Which always kind of bugged me, so I did a little digging... ...and I was right, it was a solidly Romanesque building of all wrought stone. Here's an image from the Times in 1896, accompanying a blurb about the new jail. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7258/7...fe562d21_b.jpg Here's a shot from the Los Angeles Herald, September 1908 (folk are gathered at the station to hear word of Captain Auble) -- http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7073/6...b3f7947d_c.jpg -- A bit about the jail: the front of the first floor was for the officers and detectives offices. The back of the first floor was all jail, a 10x30 corridor lined with 24 cells on either side. Attached was a receiving hospital, basically a white tiled room with a big skylight. The courts, judges chambers, witness and jury rooms, clerks offices and the like were on the second floor. There was a second floor jail area for the high-security inmates, a female ward (with special accommodations for insane female prisoners) and a juvie ward. I was shocked that, in my investigations, I found that while I'd deduced the building to be Caukin & Haas (they famously of the City Hall and first Times building, etc.) it was in fact a Charles L. Strange. Strange was the City Superintendent of Buildings, and an architect, known for the red sandstone courthouse (not ours -- theirs), & much of Pasadena's Castle Green. Love to know when it got modernized -- I would've assumed that the pointed parapet came down after the '49 ordinance but it was obviously gone when they shot Shockproof in '48. I'm guessing it's a late-30s remodel but more digging needs to be done... |
The Ems Apartments - 1940 Census
Who was living at the Ems Apartments in 1940?
The files are large to you can read the details. http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9...0037800347.jpg 1940 Census http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8...0378003481.jpg 1940 Census Check out columns 28 & 29. They show the tenants occupation and where they worked. Very interesting. |
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Homeowners Review Fall/Winter 1976
Last week I purchased an old photo album that has a lot of interesting old photos of Hollywood and Laurel Canyon, most about 100 years old. I'll be posting many of these in the weeks to come but there were a number of other goodies in the album including 3 issues of this periodical, called Homeowners Review. It's 6 pages long and will use up a lot of screen space but I found the photos and stories quite interesting. Actually, it's sort of like a print version of our very favorite discussion thread. ;)
If you check the credits on the bottom of Page 2 you'll see that the publishers thank (among others) Milt Larsen, Bruce Torrence, Rudy Vallee, and Frank Lloyd Wright Jr. I have 2 more of these newsletters. If you would like to see them, let me know. http://dkse.net/david/HR_FW1976/HR_FW1976.1.jpg http://dkse.net/david/HR_FW1976/HR_FW1976.2.jpg http://dkse.net/david/HR_FW1976/HR_FW1976.3.jpg http://dkse.net/david/HR_FW1976/HR_FW1976.4.jpg http://dkse.net/david/HR_FW1976/HR_FW1976.5.jpg http://dkse.net/david/HR_FW1976/HR_FW1976.6.jpg |
The Ghost of Berkeley Square
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My history of Berkeley Square, which you can read online here, has attracted much new information since its completion last fall. And I have just discovered something curious: On its maps, the Los Angeles Department of City Planning has retained to this day delineation of the Square's central roadway (in line with West 22nd Street coming from the east) as well as the delineations of the street's 15 south-side lots. The lines remain unexplained to the casual observer; I have added the red square rectangle above to outline the Square's borders of Gramercy Place on the west, Western Avenue on the east, the outer edge of the community's south private service alley, and where the outer edge of the corresponding north alley (and north Square border) now lie under the 10 freeway. |
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It looks like Berkeley Square and St. James' Square lasted 20-25 years before they began to become less fashionable. Any idea why they lasted such a brief time and why Windsor Square/Hancock Park developed so quickly?
I think Brentwood was pretty much ranch land until the 30s. I've heard Beverly Hills was developed because so many of the lots in San Marino, Pasadena, Hancock Park, and Windsor Square had anti-Jewish covenants and even discouraged people in the film industry in general. |
Having been away moving to Dallas, I've been offline for a while. I'm sitting here watching "The Turning Point" from 1952 when I recognize a favorite locale from this thread...
http://www.electricearl.com/af/turning-1.jpg http://www.electricearl.com/af/turning-2.jpg http://www.electricearl.com/af/turning-3.jpg (From www.electricearl.com) The page http://www.electricearl.com/af/index.html has a lot of similar stuff. And if this is already in the thread, let me know and I'll delete this. After 372 pages, it's hard to keep track. :) |
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Well, I'm not a sociologist, but from what I've read, there are many reasons for the decline of West Adams; as for Berkeley Square and St. James Park in particular, I'd say the main ones are more widespread affluence in the '20s, meaning the car (which allowed servants to live beyond the radius of the old Yellow Car system) and the desire for the affluent to have more space around their houses. Both Berkeley Square and St. James Park were very small individual enclaves of large houses surrounded by less glamorous neighborhoods, unlike many of the newer, more expansive districts of larger lots and houses. The population of Los Angeles more than doubled between 1920 and 1930, driving up property values and causing saavy property owners to sell at a profit and decamp to newer, roomier parts of town to the north and west (or to consistently fashionable Pasadena). The new owners often divided houses into apartments or replaced them with larger multi-unit buildings. The Depression held back maintenance on the aging housing stock, causing demolitions and replacements with higher-density units; the war years repeated the housing pressures of the '20s. When the Supreme Court struck down deed restrictions in 1948, white flight from West Adams really took off. The sociological history of West Adams is fascinating; there's even the story that the routing of the Santa Monica Freeway was moved south away from Windsor Square and Hancock Park (through declining neighborhoods including Berkeley Square) and deliberately designed with limited south-north access. http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4254/gramercy.jpgGoogle SV The trend of large houses in once-affluent areas of central L.A. being subdivided into apartments or replaced with newer multi-unit buildings continued into the '50s and beyond. This example is in the 1400 block of S. Gramercy Place. |
Good analysis, GW. Makes perfect sense to me. Someone posting on one of these threads said that by the time the 10 was built in the '50s, the neighborhoods it uprooted had already declined. Thank God they didn't route it farther north than they did.
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I really enjoyed looking through the "Homeowner's Review" David. It's amazing what can be gleaned from these obscure periodicals.
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Looks like the Doheny Mansion.
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Orchard Gables Reborn!
Looks like restoration work is nearly complete on Orchard Gables, one of the oldest remaining structures in Hollywood. It was built in 1904 and sits on the southwest corner of Wilcox and Fountain. Here's how it looked this morning:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F...s1280/OG-3.JPG [source: me] https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-L...s1280/OG-4.JPG [source: me again] Before restoration it was in a state of severe disrepair, and served most recently as Hollywood's scariest convalescent home. Here's how it looked before restoration began: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-F...s1024/OG-5.jpg [source: Park La Brea News Beverly Press] Naturally it looked best in its original incarnation, sitting on an expansive property with adjoining orchards in the heart of old Hollywood. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_.../s922/OG-1.jpg [source: artandsoulcenter.org] To these eyes, the rear of the house was even more lovely than the front: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-j.../s895/OG-2.jpg [source: artandsoulcenter.org] Here's a nice little article on the history of Orchard Gables (and don't miss the lone response at the end of the article which corrects some misinformation): Old Hollywood Home Gets New Lease on Life PS - David, I too greatly enjoyed the "Homeowner's Review" that you posted. Fascinating stuff! |
:previous: Simply stunning renovation. I wasn't even aware of Orchard Gables before your post Handsome_Stranger. That tells me there must be hundreds, if not thousands, of fascinating places I have yet to discover in the L.A. area.
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And here are shots from 1946 and 1956--the latter being the station's last year standing. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V...2520AM.bmp.jpgLAPLhttps://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...sta1956796.jpgLAPL A shot dated 1929: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-w...police1929.jpgUSCDL And another from about that time--a great shot reminiscent of The Untouchables... https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-t...2520PM.bmp.jpgUSCDL West First Street was widened around the time of Central Station's facelift: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-O...iceusccrop.jpgUSCDLhttps://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-b...licewidest.jpgUSCDL |
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Here is an intriguing postcard of Lookout Mountain...the postmark is 1914*.
Two men are standing on their own little 'summit' while the 'Lookout Mountain Inn' is off in the distance. http://imageshack.us/a/img100/4212/aalookoutmtn1914.jpg postcard/ebay above: The next thing that caught my eye was 'Home Office: 1103 Story Building'. Why is this address on a Lookout Mtn. postcard? (I am going to go back and try to find the reverse side of the pc...perhaps there's an explanation on the back). below: The address led me to the Walter P. Story Building on the southeast corner of 6th & Broadway (photo dated 1930). http://imageshack.us/a/img20/591/aal...liampstory.jpg http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/search...ner-m3353.html above: The Story Building, at 11 stories, is as high as any building can go in 1908 (year of it's construction). Notice that the 'Home Office' on the postcard is on the top floor (suite #1103) of this marvelous building. below: Details of the W.P. Story Building show 'zigzag' art deco ornament. This makes me think the building had undergone a remodeling sometime in the distant past. (1908 is way too early for art deco...and the decoration doesn't seem organic enough to be art nouveau, an earlier art movement) Notice the 'Stop' and 'Slow' brass lettering embedded in the sidewalk/driveway. http://imageshack.us/a/img225/6426/a...rybldggara.jpg http://decoarchitecture.tumblr.com/p...alifornia-from http://imageshack.us/a/img543/6599/a...rybldgg2wh.jpg http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ca0269/ http://imageshack.us/a/img854/6426/a...rybldggara.jpg http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ca0269/ http://imageshack.us/a/img31/6426/aa...rybldggara.jpg http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ca0269/ below: A contemporary look at the exquisitely decorated upper stories of the W.P. Story Building showing the eleventh floor (home of suite #1103 that appears on the Lookout Mtn. postcard). http://imageshack.us/a/img854/3698/a...rybldgisno.jpg http://www.you-are-here.com/broadway/story.html *While searching for additional information on the 1914 postcard, I discovered that it was originally posted on this thread by 3940dxer (David). http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=6482 ___ |
Here's a comparison of the W.P. Story Building garage entrance.
yesterday: :) http://imageshack.us/a/img225/6426/a...rybldggara.jpg today: :( http://imageshack.us/a/img84/8733/aa...terpstoryg.jpg google street view The only thing(s) recognizable are the brass 'Stop' and 'Slow' embedded in the driveway. ____ |
:previous: Note the disgustingly dirty red awning over the garage entrance.
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L.A. Renovation
Just had to comment on two things. First, in the 1st st. widening by Central Station I noticed the building that has "Tally Ho" painted on the side. Post widening, the building has been cut in half with just "Tal" left.
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:previous: I think it's quite possible that the art deco lettering is still there KevinW.
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Back to the Red Car era
I have made few contributions lately after my Apr 9 visit to downtown and trying to capture what LA looks like today. I have enjoyed this site so much in the last month and a half and now up to page 150. I come here to the present day pages to see what is happening, to post, and share new stuff. I was visiting my Flickr account today searched on LA. I came across an account called "Metro Transportation Library and Archive". They have 100s of pix there if you're interested. I know at least one guy who joined here claimed to be quite an authority on the Red Car line. Here's one to get you started on Flickr and you can follow for more if you like. Does anyone happen to know if the Bus station here is the same one that became the "grand" and now former one at 6th and Los Angeles Street?http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7011/6...93521f2e_b.jpg
023 - MTA 1515 San Pedro Line Main St. Sta. 19581206 AKW Photographer: Alan Weeks From Flickr Account: Metro Transportation Library and Archive |
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http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9480/greynow.jpgGoogleSV The Greyhound station in your pic was supplanted by the 1965 terminal behind the PE Building--where the Red Cars are in your shot. I'm not sure if the building now on the northeast corner of 6th and Los Angeles is a remodeling of the old station or a new one--the window placement indicates that it might possibly be the same structure. (Also-- the satellite view shows a building with an open center that might have once been the bus lot.) http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/2...yhoundsetc.jpgGoogleSV https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-l...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle |
i wonder why they moved greyhound to skid row? the first time i took the bus (97 or 98)my dad took me to 6th and main and he was so confussed that the station wasnt there,so we drove to hollywood and bought my ticket there.also on the 1965 greyhound station you can still see the ghost logo for greyhound,i noticed that when i was at coles a few months ago
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Thanks for the comparison, Gaylord. It is now obvious that two of the Bus Depots which are no longer Bus Depots are across the street from each other. It seems the first depot which is today the same building on the right, and the 1965 Bus Depot which is now a "Mart" and also a huge parking garage, is in the same spot where the Red Cars were in 1958. |
Looking west on Hollywood Blvd. toward Ivar Avenue & the Guaranty Building.
http://imageshack.us/a/img513/8485/a...erhollywoo.jpg http://life.time.com/ I want to point out the building on the southeast corner of Hollywood & Ivar (circled in red). http://imageshack.us/a/img827/8485/a...erhollywoo.jpg Many people forget that nitty-gritty Hollywood Boulevard used to be a fairly high class shopping district. Believe it or not, I. Magnin once had a store directly across from the Guaranty Building (as seen below). http://imageshack.us/a/img580/9153/a...ywoodpatri.jpg http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=61625 below: A contemporary view of the building on the southeast corner of Hollywood & Ivar. http://imageshack.us/a/img842/8939/a...llywoodiva.jpg google street view below: At first I thought this was an entirely new building, until I looked at this aerial that shows the center 'peaked' roof still intact. The tacked on facade is simply a ruse....the I. Magnin era building is still there! http://imageshack.us/a/img442/8485/a...erhollywoo.jpg google aerial below: There is another impressive building just east of the I. Magnin Store. http://imageshack.us/a/img35/9153/aa...ywoodpatri.jpg This once dignified building still stands with mediocre venues. The entire second story is covered up and painted tan. http://imageshack.us/a/img718/3851/a...ighborbldg.jpg google street view _____ Now lets venture past Ivar Avenue to the building with the 'Schwabs' advertisement. http://imageshack.us/a/img109/8485/a...erhollywoo.jpg I wasn't aware of a Schwab's on Hollywood Blvd. The iconic Schwab's Drug Store was located on the southeast corner of Sunset Blvd and Crescent Heights. Well it turns out this Schwabs on Hollywood Boulevard was a fine men's store. http://imageshack.us/a/img18/6752/aaimagninschwabs.jpg advertisement The ornate facade was covered up by stucco as early as the late 1930s or early 40s. Only recently has the once elaborate facade been restored to it's original splendor. http://imageshack.us/a/img442/8192/a...nschwabs1b.jpg google street view http://imageshack.us/a/img442/2287/a...nschwabs1a.jpg google street view ....and that ends my examination of the area around Hollywood Boulevard and Ivar Avenue. ____ |
i was about to say schwabs right next to what looks like a thriftys? great post though.
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I believe that is a Thrifty's on the southwest corner of Hollywood Blvd. & Ivar Ave unihikid. Good eye.
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