Oh, and I'm sorry, also the other neighbor, The Roxie!
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Regarding the palm trees on San Pedro.
Note the building with the porch/arcade that sticks out over the sidewalk:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-I...559%2520PM.jpg http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal1a.html Now note a corresponding building on the 1888 Sanborn map from LAPL: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-M...ps7892c593.jpg Flyingwedge, do you have an image of the map area immediately below this one? (I tried to find it at LAPL but was prevented by lack of a library card.) I suspect that the Hammel residence may be the one at the bottom center of this image, and the field of palms and the brick building next to the sidewalk may be just off the bottom of this image. I get the impression that the street photo above may be a longer distance than it seems. |
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http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9fd79811.jpg 1888 Sanborn Map @ LAPL And in 1894 we have our warehouse where the palms were: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps22d32d7e.jpg 1894 Sanborn Map @ LAPL The area on the Los Angeles As it Appeared in 1871 Map: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psd1c36939.jpg Big Map Blog -- http://www.bigmapblog.com/2011/los-a...eared-in-1871/ The home at the end of the long driveway (two lines of trees) on the east side of San Pedro belonged to W. J. Broderick, "insurance man and stationer" according to the 1881 LA Times Map, Block 52. Opposite the long driveway, on the west side of San Pedro Street, I think I see the brick building that was adjacent to the palm trees, and also what might be the Hammel home just to the right of that and set back off the street a bit. Here's the brick building along San Pedro Street when it had the dormer pictured in the 1871 map, and apparently the barn and one of the sheds shown on the 1888 Sanborn Map (I apologize for reposting some photos): http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2c3fb6d1.jpg CA State Library -- http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...EXHX78F14R.jpg And here's the Hammel home (arrow) just to the north of the brick building along San Pedro. Now bear with me . . . look between the center two palms right along the brick wall. There are three palms a little farther back; two right next to each other, and a shorter one to the left: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0a5b7b00.jpg USC Digital Library -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/13914/rec/11 Looking closer in at the back (or side) of the Hammel home, there are two palms right next to each other, and a shorter one in front and to the left: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psd07cbb27.jpg USC Digital Library -- [http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/8915/rec/9 Looking in the opposite direction back at the brick wall, look at the palm tree being moved (with the guy on the ladder) . . . it's shorter than and to the right of two palms right next to each other: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psa52957ce.jpg LAPL -- http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068408.jpg Again looking at the back of the Hammel house -- just visible at right -- we have two palm trees next to each other, and the one on the left being moved. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-j...225%2520AM.jpg http://www.lamag.com/citythink/cityt...dest-palm-tree Yeah, they need to put a protective fence around that palm tree at Exposition Park. It's lived too long and through too much to be at the mercy of some knucklehead. |
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I see three palms in the top photo; two very close together in the rear with one almost wholly obscuring the other, in addition to the slightly shorter one in front. (Look closely at the trunks.) Although it's not possible to be certain, to my eye, all three of these palms look as tall or taller than the one that years later ended up in front of the Arcade Depot. Considering all this, my hunch is that the three palms in the first photo were the ones originally planted in the 1850s, while the others that lined the street came later. And, when all of the San Pedro Street palms were removed in the late 1880s, they chose the one that looked the nicest (not necessarily the oldest) to reside in front of the Arcade Depot. |
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A wonderful video of '67 La Brea Ave, north of Melorse (?). Nice capture of the car wash mentioned in other posts and the gas storage tank. The Corsican restaurant . . . Only criticism, too short. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...g&feature=fvwp '35 - Wilshire in or near Beverly Hills. Pass by Hillcrest Motors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HhbWApOrFg |
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Arcade Palm
Unless George W Hazard posthumously joins the thread and starts posting, I guess we'll never know for sure who brought our trees to LA and exactly when. They are not as well documented as the Longstreet Palms, although noirish LA got close. The Arcade Palm hasn't had this much attention in 99 years.
Moving over to Exposition Park, I have a question about the placement of our tree. When Agricultural Park was rededicated as Exposition Park in 1913, the histories only mention the buildings and the sunken garden at the north end of the site. The bars and brothels had been cleared. The tree stands at the Figueroa Street end of the grand median strip dividing Exposition Park Drive leading to the Coliseum. The Coliseum, of course, hadn't even been thought of in 1914 when our tree was transplanted. Is the stadium exactly on the site of the old racecourse? What was so special about this particular spot in 1914? Or was it the spot? https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-I...942%2520PM.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-B...143%2520PM.jpg google maps Coliseum construction start 1921. Hey, wait a minute, where's our tree?: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...130%2520PM.jpg http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...5)_Page_3.html Another shot from '21 or '22: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-T...002%2520PM.jpg http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl...5)_Page_3.html Closer view of those structures east of the Coliseum during construction: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Q...139%2520AM.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LA...ction-1922.jpg 1922: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6...234%2520PM.jpg http://waterandpower.org/museum/Early_Views_of_USC.html Oh, there's our tree, appearing out of nowhere. It looks to be on its own little island in 1932, not included in the lawn: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o...010%2520AM.jpg http://dailytrackpic.files.wordpress...rthovercol.jpg A rather fanciful, idealized, artist's view: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-i...833%2520AM.jpg http://waterandpower.org/museum/Early_Views_of_USC.html Was the tree moved after construction of the Coliseum within Exposition Park? Just exactly where was it transplanted on 5 September 1914? The monument says only that it was placed "here". It doesn't look as though it was in this particular "here" in 1922. Where was it? https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T...814%2520PM.jpg gsv P.S. A bit of Coliseum history:http://historylosangeles.blogspot.co...history-1.html |
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The oldest living thing in Los Angeles
The more I look at these three trees, the more I'm sure that the two in back really are too tall for either to be the Arcade Depot palm. However, I've had a change of heart about the smallest of the three. Reason being, note that the trunk of the one at left has a very slight curve to the right.
http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/v...treetpalms.jpg eBay/May 2012 Now, look at this side view of the palm in front of the Arcade Depot. It, too, has a trunk that is ever-so-slightly curved above the base. Kinda makes me go "Hmmmm." http://silentlocations.files.wordpre...th-alameda.jpg http://www.flickr.com/photos/84263554@N00/7637123686/ Also, going back to the cabinet card above, the wording of the caption intrigues me. Let's assume for a moment that all of the palms we've seen around this section of San Pedro Street are equally old. Wouldn't the neatly-spaced palms that lined the street by the wall make a prettier and therefore more saleable picture than these would? But instead, the photographer chose the three visibly scruffier and haphazardly-placed palms to be his subjects. That suggests to me that these particular trees were the ones generally known at the time to be THE original "old palms of San Pedro Street," as the caption states. Below, here we are looking at the three Hammel palms (left foreground) from the northwest looking southeast. In the background are the palms that are behind the wall that lines San Pedro Street. The smaller palm in the foreground, though, clearly seems to be the focus of attention here, and appears to be the very first one that's slated for removal. Although the two at left are obviously taller than all the others pictured here – and therefore likely the oldest of all – transplanting them was probably made problematical by their immediate proximity to each other; their root systems undoubtedly intertwined. If the intention was to preserve just one of the famous "old palms," then the easiest to move and transplant to the Arcade Depot would be the smaller, more isolated one. http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psa52957ce.jpg http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics37/00068408.jpg There is, of course, no way to confirm or corroborate any of this speculation, but I'm now willing to go with the idea that the smallest of the three Hammel palms is the one that stood in front of the Arcade Depot, and which now stands in its place of honor at Exposition Park. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-j...225%2520AM.jpg http://www.lamag.com/citythink/cityt...dest-palm-tree Here, looking from SE to NW, it appears to me that all of the Hammel palms which stood in the background have already been removed, and this picture shows the removal of the trees that grew behind the wall that lined San Pedro Street. I think it's highly likely that ALL of the San Pedro Street palms were removed to other locations, not simply destroyed. Palm trees were far too valuable a commodity in those days to simply cut down; they were doubtless sold for a handsome price to other landowners and replanted elsewhere. So, it may well be that some of the other San Pedro Street fan palms yet survive today, though their provenance as being among the oldest trees in Los Angeles has been lost over the years. ----- My overall conclusion is that I now believe that the Arcade Depot/Exposition Park palm is the oldest known living thing in Los Angeles. Judging by height, the Washingtonia filifera pictured in front of the Arcade Depot c.1888 is at least 40 years old, which makes it older than the twin rows of W. robusta of Palm Drive (the Longstreet Palms), whose origin I dated to the period of the Civil War. The latter, however, are almost certainly the oldest specimens of that particular species still extant in the city, and are therefore no less worthy of monument status. The Arcade Depot palm and the palms of Palm Drive were both eminently famous in their day. Now that they have all arisen out of obscurity, I think it's high time their historical importance is once again acknowledged, and celebrated. |
:previous:The chain of custody of the Longstreet Palms is impeccable. The Arcade Palm, not so much.
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Arcade Station
I keep meaning to ask, was this the fire bell?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7...90614%2BPM.jpg http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/2388/rec/1 (detail) It does not appear in all pix. There was apparently a six-man, in-house fire department at the Arcade Station. A description of the departments and public amenities at the Arcade Station may be found here: http://books.google.com/books?id=4w8...20tree&f=false |
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Yes, looking closely at that picture again, I believe you're right! The apparently single tree at right is actually two trees, one almost totally obscuring the other, so that would make these the Hammel palms, not the ones by the wall. Good eye, ProphetM! |
B&M Cafeteria
Here are some photos from 1916 of the B&M Cafeteria located at 524-534 S. Hill Street, across from Central Park (Pershing Square). Looks like a great place to eat! I could not locate any information on this place. Hopefully someone can give a brief history of it. http://imageshack.us/a/img838/4641/01bmexterior1916.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img29/7601/02bmdining11916.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img811/842/03bmdining21916.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img829/7738/0...ables19163.jpg HDL images _____ |
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