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AusHou Mar 7, 2011 4:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 5189761)
http://http://www.gettyimages.com/de...-Ochs-Archives

While on the subject of memories of Hollywood restaurants, here's one from an elder statesman here. For my seventh birthday in 1957, (I was already crazy about "Hollywood" and movie stars), my loving parents took me to the Hollywood Brown Derby. We were visiting from Fresno, my hometown.
The Derby seemed very glamorous to me. When we drove up in front I particularly thrilled to see the huge "Hollywood and Vine" sign outside the Broadway Hollywood. There were three movie people in the restaurant (seated at different tables) that my parents discreetly pointed out, none of whom I'd ever heard of, but I got their autographs. They were Raymond Burr (he was just starting "Perry Mason") and the waiter took me to meet him (he was friendly and polite), a character actress named Lurene Tuttle, and an old-timer from the 30's and 40's named Gail Patrick, who then was the producer of the Perry Mason series. Someone on a loudspeaker repeated "phone call for Mr. Burr" and a long-corded telephone was carried to his table.
I had a steak with French Fries, and I particularly remember a beautiful young blonde woman with a full-skirted pale yellow dress and white backless high heels waiting for a table with her escort. She was my little-boy idea of what a Hollywood woman should look like.

Just verified at Wikipedia what I recalled...Lurene Tuttle played a nurse on the TV series "Julia" back in the late 60s. The main star of Julia was Diahann Caroll.

Anyone remember the I Love Lucy episode that took place, in part, at the Brown Derby? It's one of the funniest TV episodes of all time.

sopas ej Mar 7, 2011 5:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5189585)
Sopas_ej, did you take any photographs when you visited this area yesterday?

I did not, actually; I didn't bring the camera, though I wish I did after I started driving to that area. Maybe some time in the future I will, I wouldn't mind doing a then and now. But yesterday I just did a quick drive-by.

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Originally Posted by NewTex (Post 5189842)
Just verified at Wikipedia what I recalled...Lurene Tuttle played a nurse on the TV series "Julia" back in the late 60s. The main star of Julia was Diahann Caroll.

Anyone remember the I Love Lucy episode that took place, in part, at the Brown Derby? It's one of the funniest TV episodes of all time.

It's one of many of my favorite episodes. I love Bill Holden. And I like that at the beginning of the episode, they use footage of them driving down the 101 through downtown and then pulling up to that hotel in Beverly Hills on Olympic Blvd.

Coldrsx Mar 7, 2011 6:45 AM

Watched "changeling" today, reminded me so much of this thread.

gsjansen Mar 7, 2011 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5183736)

true, the 1st fed was not a bad piece of mid-century modern, with some nice detailing..........however, it did kind of destroy the view to the east when looking on hollywood blvd, what with hiding the security 1st national

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/N...4-f313e4026446
Source: Corbis Images

gsjansen Mar 7, 2011 2:42 PM

hollywoodland sign lit up at night 1928

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5132/...5d376fd7_o.jpg
Source: Corbis Images

GaylordWilshire Mar 7, 2011 6:59 PM

Speaking of William Holden,
 
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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 5189933)
It's one of many of my favorite episodes. I love Bill Holden. And I like that at the beginning of the episode, they use footage of them driving down the 101 through downtown and then pulling up to that hotel in Beverly Hills on Olympic Blvd.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_XRrU8-3Nmi...ywood+Lucy.jpgdearoldhollywood.com


as you may know, he was discovered here:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_z...yhousesign.jpgLAPL

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics47/00058454.jpgLAPL
1939

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics41/00055296.jpgLAPL
Legal troubles, 1966


http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics34/00036948.jpgLAPL
1979 (Is that Sears peeking over the top?)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...housecolor.jpgLAPL

GaylordWilshire Mar 7, 2011 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5189260)
:previous:

diners using binoculars to read distant wall menu at Scandia 1954

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4144/...7f1ba986_o.jpg

gs: Love those Scandia shots... Roselle the cashier... and the "cigar-chomper" above (ok, cigarette-chomper in this case). Whenever I see those classic
'40s/'50s high-waisted pants (which I'm always trying to figure out in terms of the anatomy--guess it's a whole other cut of the cloth), I think of the
one and only William Frawley.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...wleypoants.jpgdearoldhollywood.com


Poor old Bill collapsed at 79 on the NW corner of Hollywood and Ivar in 1966.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_z...24644%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View
He was taken to the Knickerbocker nearby and he died there. It turned out that before
having recently moved to an apartment on Rossmore, the Knick had been his longtime home.


Which leads me to Irene, the famous one-name costume designer:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...MJhc/irene.jpglalalandhistory.blogspot.com
Is she thinking of Gary?

Her sad end at the Knick, according to lalalandhistory.blogspot.com:

"After a flourishing and fairly steady career, including 2 Academy Award nominations, the 61-year-old Irene checked into the Knickerbocker under a pseudonym. Friends had noticed that she was melancholy and had been depressed for some time. Some chalked it up to her unhappy marriage to Eliot Gibbons; some stated that she was still pining for the recently deceased Gary Cooper, who was allegedly the only man she ever really loved. Whatever the source of her misery, she could apparently no longer endure it. On November 15, 1962, at about 3 in the afternoon, she slit her wrists in her room. But...she found that death was not coming quickly enough. Desperate for an end to her pain, she flung herself from the bedroom window, landing on the roof over the lobby. Her body was discovered later that evening.... The beauty of her designs lives on in films like The Postman Always Rings Twice, where Lana Turner's 'hot pants' became the new hot item." (I knew there had to be a noir connection....)




http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ukv_BTIqSw...cker_hotel.jpglalaland.blogspot.com
Through these doors....


http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics45/00072196.jpgLAPL
The Hollywood Knickerbocker, 1714 N. Ivar, 1938

ethereal_reality Mar 7, 2011 10:08 PM

Poor Irene. :(





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Originally Posted by gsjansen (Post 5190137)
hollywoodland sign lit up at night 1928

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5132/...5d376fd7_o.jpg
Source: Corbis Images


Was the sign lit up for a special occasion?

ethereal_reality Mar 7, 2011 10:56 PM

Cole Bros. Circus elephants crossing Olive Street, 1953.


http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/342...ircuscross.jpg
ucla

gsjansen Mar 7, 2011 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5190681)

Was the sign lit up for a special occasion?

i'm sure every day..........until all lots were sold...................


i''m still hunting down images of the outpost sign at night

Ninja55 Mar 8, 2011 1:15 AM

Thanks so much for all the photos of old L.A. My Great Uncle was none other than Bert Rovere. Restaurateur, sportsman, and man about town from 1920 until his death in the late 50's. He was the owner of the Paris Inn and Lucca's in L.A. and the Hurricane in San Francisco. His sister, Emma, married Joe Musso, of Musso and Frank's fame in 1936. He left his interest in the restaurant around 1927 and opened his own beautiful place on Wilshire called Musso's Parisian Gardens. It ran until his death.
I have an advertisement for the Paris Inn that says its was on 210 E. Market Street, just East of City Hall. I can't find any Market street downtown anymore. The only one is by the beach and certainly not east of City Hall. Does anyone know what street downtown was originally Market Street?

GaylordWilshire Mar 8, 2011 1:37 AM

The Cumnock School of Expression
 
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-o...2520PM.bmp.jpgUCSDL


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00081/00081395.jpgLAPL


http://jpg1.lapl.org/00081/00081397.jpgLAPL


Vanished Los Angeles: I'd never heard of The Cumnock School of Expression before. It was a private school for women (later coed) established in 1894 by Addie Murphy Grigg, a graduate of the Northwestern University School of Oratory. (For many years Mrs. Grigg was first assistant to the NU School of Oratory's director, Dr. Robert McLean Cumnock, for whom her school was named.) In April 1902, the Cumnock School moved to a new building at 1500 S. Figueroa (now a parking lot), which Mrs. Grigg had modeled after the famous Shakespeare House at Stratford-upon-Avon. In 1904, Mrs. Kate Tupper Galpin established a second department of the institution, a preparatory school known as the Cumnock Academy. In 1916, the school moved to Vermont Avenue, and then to 5353 W. 3rd in the '20s:



https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_z...82505%20PM.jpg


http://4dw.net/socal/cumnock1.jpg4dw.net


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_z...85230%20PM.jpgGoogle Street View
Well, almost vanished: After Cumnock closed, it was occupied by the Art Center School--which became the
Art Center College of Design--in 1947. Cumnock's last building is now part of the Yavneh Hebrew Academy

ethereal_reality Mar 8, 2011 2:20 AM

Welcome to the thread Ninja55!
It sounds like your Great Uncle Bert Rovere and his sister Emma had fascinating lives.

We have visited the Paris Inn several times in this thread.


Below is one of the posts that mentions both the original Paris Inn at Market and Los Angeles St. and the second location on Broadway.
(gsjansen even included a photo of the Paris Inn at 210 Market Street)

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2827


____

Ninja55 Mar 8, 2011 3:47 AM

I'm still confused about Market Street. The Paris Inn was at 210 E. Market street. My Great Uncle bought it closed in 1920, opened it in 1924, remodeled it and reopened it in 1930, and due to the city using eminent domain, moved it to the Broadway address in 1950. All the maps show it being on Temple street, but the address shows Market. I can't find any Market Street downtown! I'm confused. Also.........
I've got lots of pics for Andrea of the Paris Inn but I'm not clear on how to post them. Some help please.

Beaudry Mar 8, 2011 3:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninja55 (Post 5190947)
Thanks so much for all the photos of old L.A. My Great Uncle was none other than Bert Rovere. Restaurateur, sportsman, and man about town from 1920 until his death in the late 50's. He was the owner of the Paris Inn and Lucca's in L.A. and the Hurricane in San Francisco. His sister, Emma, married Joe Musso, of Musso and Frank's fame in 1936. He left his interest in the restaurant around 1927 and opened his own beautiful place on Wilshire called Musso's Parisian Gardens. It ran until his death.
I have an advertisement for the Paris Inn that says its was on 210 E. Market Street, just East of City Hall. I can't find any Market street downtown anymore. The only one is by the beach and certainly not east of City Hall. Does anyone know what street downtown was originally Market Street?

Hey Ninja55, welcome to the board -- think I have something you might dig. But first, to clear up why you can't find Market on the map -- it's been wiped off. The map. As in:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5292/...1b511afa_o.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5020/...6e9fd579_o.jpg

First runs down the left in both images and Broadway along the top. Temple stopped at Main and after a little jog Market began. Paris Inn would be built south of Los Angeles St in the little white strip that reads "Truck & Teamster Co." Now, Temple makes a diagonal slice, San Pedro no longer continues up to meet Commercial, and Aliso now continues down to become Commercial...

...and now, an interior shot of the PI from February 1944:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/...262837bb_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5297/...446b2667_b.jpg

andrea517 Mar 8, 2011 4:07 AM

Hi Ninja55. I have read quite a bit about your uncle...very interesting man. I mentioned previously that my grandma danced at the old Paris Inn on Market St and then the new one on Broadway when I'm assuming eminent domain took over the land. My grandma always said it was for the 101fwy but looking at the map it looks too far north. Market was a small street that met up with Los Angeles St just S/E of City Hall and only went to Alameda St. It looks like if Temple ran through City Hall and continued slightly south it would meet up with Market St. I'm assuming the land is now one of the big buildings perhaps on the north corner of Los Angeles and Temple (I'm not a map person so anyone correct me if I'm wrong!)

As I've mentioned previously whenever I can manage a trip to my aunt's house my grandma had tons photos of her dancing inside the Paris Inn (along with some other Los Angeles clubs) that as soon as I can get my hands on I will post.

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Originally Posted by Ninja55 (Post 5190947)
Thanks so much for all the photos of old L.A. My Great Uncle was none other than Bert Rovere. Restaurateur, sportsman, and man about town from 1920 until his death in the late 50's. He was the owner of the Paris Inn and Lucca's in L.A. and the Hurricane in San Francisco. His sister, Emma, married Joe Musso, of Musso and Frank's fame in 1936. He left his interest in the restaurant around 1927 and opened his own beautiful place on Wilshire called Musso's Parisian Gardens. It ran until his death.
I have an advertisement for the Paris Inn that says its was on 210 E. Market Street, just East of City Hall. I can't find any Market street downtown anymore. The only one is by the beach and certainly not east of City Hall. Does anyone know what street downtown was originally Market Street?


andrea517 Mar 8, 2011 4:10 AM

Apparently I was posting my reply while you wrote this and Beaudry posted the map. I would love love love to see more photos but I'm not very technologically inclined. I managed a photo post but I'm sure someone else could explain it more eloquently. Looking forward to seeing more photos!

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Originally Posted by Ninja55 (Post 5191142)
I'm still confused about Market Street. The Paris Inn was at 210 E. Market street. My Great Uncle bought it closed in 1920, opened it in 1924, remodeled it and reopened it in 1930, and due to the city using eminent domain, moved it to the Broadway address in 1950. All the maps show it being on Temple street, but the address shows Market. I can't find any Market Street downtown! I'm confused. Also.........
I've got lots of pics for Andrea of the Paris Inn but I'm not clear on how to post them. Some help please.


AusHou Mar 8, 2011 4:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 5189933)
I did not, actually; I didn't bring the camera, though I wish I did after I started driving to that area. Maybe some time in the future I will, I wouldn't mind doing a then and now. But yesterday I just did a quick drive-by.



It's one of many of my favorite episodes. I love Bill Holden. And I like that at the beginning of the episode, they use footage of them driving down the 101 through downtown and then pulling up to that hotel in Beverly Hills on Olympic Blvd.

Remember the view of Hollywood from the Ricardo's apartment? I was a nice backdrop. Yeah, that episode was a classic, especially when Bill Holden accidentally lit her paper nose on fire.

andrea517 Mar 8, 2011 4:20 AM

Weird, I haven't seen that map and it looks different to the one I had seen. I think it was previously posted here but is found on this link:
http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/socal5.html
This map shows Market St only running 2 blocks between Los Angeles and Alameda. I assumed 210 Market St pretty much matches up with today's 210 Temple. I will have to take a closer look at Beaudry's map to get a feel for where everything is and to see how/if I was mistaken.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 5191146)
Hey Ninja55, welcome to the board -- think I have something you might dig. But first, to clear up why you can't find Market on the map -- it's been wiped off. The map. As in:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5292/...1b511afa_o.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5020/...6e9fd579_o.jpg

First runs down the left in both images and Broadway along the top. Temple stopped at Main and after a little jog Market began. Paris Inn would be built south of Los Angeles St in the little white strip that reads "Truck & Teamster Co." Now, Temple makes a diagonal slice, San Pedro no longer continues up to meet Commercial, and Aliso now continues down to become Commercial...

...and now, an interior shot of the PI from February 1944:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5054/...262837bb_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5297/...446b2667_b.jpg


sopas ej Mar 8, 2011 4:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5190381)
as you may know, he was discovered here:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_z...yhousesign.jpgLAPL

Oh yes. As a child, he lived in South Pasadena, at 1911 Fletcher Avenue. But unfortunately his house has been demolished; it's now the parking lot of an LDS church. I believe he also graduated from South Pasadena High.

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Originally Posted by NewTex (Post 5191188)
Remember the view of Hollywood from the Ricardo's apartment? I was a nice backdrop. Yeah, that episode was a classic, especially when Bill Holden accidentally lit her paper nose on fire.

Yes, I like that backdrop-- the Hollywood sign, The Broadway Hollywood department store...

OK I just couldn't resist.

http://img852.imageshack.us/img852/6...stesspants.jpgI Love Lucy

They're hostess pants. You wear them when you throw smart dinner parties.


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