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BrutallyDishonest2 Sep 24, 2016 3:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jigglysquishy (Post 7573390)
Well it looks like Costco is going forward in 2017 as Aurora is up to RPC.

I'm really nervous the existing Costco site will be left empty and we start to see the hollowing out of the western portion of Vic East.

I don't think it will be empty as Harvard would be required to purchase the old site and they'd work to fill/sell it.

StealthGirl Sep 24, 2016 7:50 PM

Mastermind Toys is open in the old River City Sports on Quance Street. Canadia company with some different stuff. Good addition.

www.mastermindtoys.com

one_brick_at_a_time Sep 25, 2016 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jigglysquishy (Post 7573390)
Well it looks like Costco is going forward in 2017 as Aurora is up to RPC.

I'm really nervous the existing Costco site will be left empty and we start to see the hollowing out of the western portion of Vic East.

Maybe IKEA could take the spot hehe :)

casper Sep 25, 2016 1:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Festivus (Post 7573372)
Superstore also has online ordering now, though I think you need to pick it up at the store.

Loblaws has been making a lot of moves in that direction. The next big thing in grocery retail should be refrigerated lockers in neighborhoods. It has been the local trend in Europe, Australia and Asia. These things: http://www.omnioninc.com/grocery

Stormer Sep 27, 2016 7:33 PM

Aurora rezoning app goes to the RPC this week.

jigglysquishy Sep 27, 2016 7:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormer (Post 7576310)
Aurora rezoning app goes to the RPC this week.

I would expect an official Costco announcement shortly after they go to council.

Stormer Sep 27, 2016 8:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jigglysquishy (Post 7576336)
I would expect an official Costco announcement shortly after they go to council.

right, re-zoning is probably a condition.

one_brick_at_a_time Oct 5, 2016 5:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormer (Post 7572820)
Replies in bold

Response on Facebook from Cornwall Centre was that they hope to announce soon the plan for the Havik/Smitty's area plans. I am so interested in what they will be doing. Do you think they would ever want to extend the entrance all the way to 11th avenue to enlarge the enclosed 2 floor concourse footprint? I also hope they will do something to renovate the orange tile on Hamilton and Sask drive and maybe open up some of the brick.

jigglysquishy Oct 5, 2016 6:21 PM

gg

SpongeG Oct 5, 2016 6:35 PM

can't they have 2 costcos?

Stormer Oct 5, 2016 7:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SpongeG (Post 7584658)
can't they have 2 costcos?

Sure but not on the same street a few block apart.

jigglysquishy Oct 5, 2016 8:55 PM

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Costco go in to Cooperstown in the next five to ten years.

kenskca Oct 6, 2016 5:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jigglysquishy (Post 7573390)
Well it looks like Costco is going forward in 2017 as Aurora is up to RPC.

I'm really nervous the existing Costco site will be left empty and we start to see the hollowing out of the western portion of Vic East.

I'm not sure I would be too worried about that. Some big spaces have come up in that area in recent years (Zellers, Future Shop) and the space has been filled.

It is still a prime location with lots of traffic. If worse comes to worse, would the city allow a conversion to office space like the old superstore?

Stormer Oct 6, 2016 5:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kenskca (Post 7585766)
I'm not sure I would be too worried about that. Some big spaces have come up in that area in recent years (Zellers, Future Shop) and the space has been filled.

It is still a prime location with lots of traffic. If worse comes to worse, would the city allow a conversion to office space like the old superstore?

Definitely not. There is an current app for a medium office building on Eastgate that is being denied by the RPC as it does not comply with the office policy.

Nathan Oct 6, 2016 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormer (Post 7585778)
Definitely not. There is an current app for a medium office building on Eastgate that is being denied by the RPC as it does not comply with the office policy.

Well, it's not like they always enforce the office policy.

(*cough* Conexus in Wascana *cough*)

HomerSPC Oct 6, 2016 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 7585809)
Well, it's not like they always enforce the office policy.

(*cough* Conexus in Wascana *cough*)

Wascana is a lot closer to downtown than the suburbs.

Nathan Oct 7, 2016 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerSPC (Post 7586234)
Wascana is a lot closer to downtown than the suburbs.

True, but I would consider it more "off limits" for other reasons.

There are also the 3 complexes by the airport (though I understand not all businesses are geared toward downtown office setups).

Stormer Oct 7, 2016 1:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 7586284)
True, but I would consider it more "off limits" for other reasons.

There are also the 3 complexes by the airport (though I understand not all businesses are geared toward downtown office setups).

The airport building were permitted at a time was vacancies were very low. The rules were different.

Nathan Oct 7, 2016 9:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormer (Post 7586380)
The airport building were permitted at a time was vacancies were very low. The rules were different.

Vacancies were low, but the downtown policy was still there. They made the exception because we really didn't have much office space at all outside the core and some businesses aren't geared to that style (e.g. courier companies).

BrutallyDishonest2 Oct 7, 2016 1:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 7586561)
Vacancies were low, but the downtown policy was still there. They made the exception because we really didn't have much office space at all outside the core and some businesses aren't geared to that style (e.g. courier companies).

Courier companies are in warehouses not office buildings.

Nathan Oct 7, 2016 6:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BrutallyDishonest2 (Post 7586683)
Courier companies are in warehouses not office buildings.

Yes... but that was one of the "examples" they gave when talking about how not all companies are suited for downtown space.

BrutallyDishonest2 Oct 8, 2016 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 7587072)
Yes... but that was one of the "examples" they gave when talking about how not all companies are suited for downtown space.

But...that's a terrible example. They never were downtown.

Drofmab Oct 11, 2016 7:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 7585809)
Well, it's not like they always enforce the office policy.

(*cough* Conexus in Wascana *cough*)

City of Regina can't enforce the office policy in Wascana... Wascana Centre Authority doesn't require the City's approval (in fact, WCA's legislative authority trumps the City's on all planning, design & improvement issues).

But yes - the City certainly has influence (and 3 Wascana Board votes), and hasn't protested the Conexus development.

Nathan Oct 11, 2016 7:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Drofmab (Post 7590403)
City of Regina can't enforce the office policy in Wascana... Wascana Centre Authority doesn't require the City's approval (in fact, WCA's legislative authority trumps the City's on all planning, design & improvement issues).

But yes - the City certainly has influence (and 3 Wascana Board votes), and hasn't protested the Conexus development.

IIRC, the city transferred the land in question though, without which, the proposal couldn't have gone ahead as planned.

Drofmab Oct 11, 2016 8:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 7590414)
IIRC, the city transferred the land in question though, without which, the proposal couldn't have gone ahead as planned.

In this case, the City happened to have a bit of control through land ownership (not policies or bylaws). If the City didn't transfer the land, the building would've just been built in a slightly different location on the College Ave Campus.
(I was going to note that WCA also has the power to expropriate land... but the legislation specifically excludes land owned by the 'participating parties' (City, Prov, and UofR) from expropriation by WCA, so that wouldn't apply).

StealthGirl Oct 11, 2016 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Drofmab (Post 7590403)
City of Regina can't enforce the office policy in Wascana... Wascana Centre Authority doesn't require the City's approval (in fact, WCA's legislative authority trumps the City's on all planning, design & improvement issues).

But yes - the City certainly has influence (and 3 Wascana Board votes), and hasn't protested the Conexus development.

WCA was set up to be separate from council. One of the reasons was purely financial; it can get funding provincially in a way other city parks can not. But it is ridiculous that the mayor and two of his council cronies are on that board in the first place.

Drofmab Oct 11, 2016 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by StealthGirl (Post 7590489)
WCA was set up to be separate from council. One of the reasons was purely financial; it can get funding provincially in a way other city parks can not. But it is ridiculous that the mayor and two of his council cronies are on that board in the first place.

Why is it ridiculous? The Province, City, & University are jointly responsible for financing & managing Wascana Centre. It would be absurd for them not to each have representation on the Board.

StealthGirl Oct 11, 2016 10:53 PM

Conflict of interest. Right now we have a council whose main concern is the construction industry and developers. The WCA board should be focused on the park alone, not on what's going on with the rest of the city.

Drofmab Oct 12, 2016 4:35 AM

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Originally Posted by StealthGirl (Post 7590613)
Conflict of interest. Right now we have a council whose main concern is the construction industry and developers. The WCA board should be focused on the park alone, not on what's going on with the rest of the city.

If that's the issue, they have a conflict of interest on City Council as well.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Stormer Oct 12, 2016 4:45 PM

Acre 21 has it temporary web page up that confirms Save-On is a tenant. I am not sure what the second Co-op location is? It seems too large to be just a car wash. The Co-op gas bar is in the west corner and already has 2 buildings.

You can see the new bypass u/c in the lower right and Green Falls Landing directly west. This will also includes 25k sf of retail on the main floor.

http://www.acre21.ca/

http://www.reveraliving.com/about-re...-falls-landing

Kegger Oct 12, 2016 4:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormer (Post 7591246)
Acre 21 has it temporary web page up that confirms Save-On is a tenant. I am not sure what the second Co-op location is? It seems too large to be just a car wash. The Co-op gas bar is in the west corner and already has 2 buildings.

You can see the new bypass u/c in the lower right and Green Falls Landing directly west. This will also includes 25k sf of retail on the main floor.

http://www.acre21.ca/

http://www.reveraliving.com/about-re...-falls-landing

I am willing to bet that the second Co-Op location would be one of the new private liquor stores. One of which is supposed to be in that end of town.

Stormer Oct 12, 2016 5:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kegger (Post 7591260)
I am willing to bet that the second Co-Op location would be one of the new private liquor stores. One of which is supposed to be in that end of town.

I never thought of that. Sounds like a good bet.

BrutallyDishonest2 Oct 12, 2016 6:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormer (Post 7591338)
I never thought of that. Sounds like a good bet.

But they have to win the bid first. Half of the shortlisted candidates are probably banking on that location.

Treesplease Oct 12, 2016 7:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormer (Post 7591246)

The acre21 site looks interesting. Is that whole corner going to be commercial eventually? ie. all the land directly SE that is between the bypass and the creek?

Stormer Oct 12, 2016 7:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Treesplease (Post 7591444)
The acre21 site looks interesting. Is that whole corner going to be commercial eventually? ie. all the land directly SE that is between the bypass and the creek?

The area between the creek and bypass is listed as mixed use on the SE Neighbourhood Plan. I doubt there would be any single family in there though. I believe it is still owned by Long Lake Investments. This company has owned a lot of land in the area. Edit: the parcel was indicated as owned on the last City draft plan by the City and by CHUKA CREEK DEVELOPERS LTD.

The parcel next to Arcola immediately SE of the Sterling Manor apartment complex is zoned medium density residential.

More info on Acre21 http://forsterprojects.com/assets/Ac...2016-09-27.pdf

Drofmab Oct 12, 2016 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kegger (Post 7591260)
I am willing to bet that the second Co-Op location would be one of the new private liquor stores. One of which is supposed to be in that end of town.

There will be 2 new liquor store permits for Regina - one for the Broad St SLGA conversion; and 1 for another location in Regina.

None of the documents that I can find specify the east-end as an underserved area... though the fact that Quance is the busiest SLGA store in the province does tend to imply there's strong demand.

I only question the southeast location because Emerald Park/White City will also be getting a private store. Add to this the fact that current Off-Sales (e.g. Birminghams & 4Seasons) will operate under the same retail store permit as all other liquor retailers (including private stores and government ones)... so the southeast should be well-served even without a new liquor store in Acre21.

Not saying it a liquor store in Acre21 won't happen, just that the southeast should be better served than it currently is once the liquor retailing changes are fully implemented.

Stormer Oct 13, 2016 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Drofmab (Post 7591676)
There will be 2 new liquor store permits for Regina - one for the Broad St SLGA conversion; and 1 for another location in Regina.

None of the documents that I can find specify the east-end as an underserved area... though the fact that Quance is the busiest SLGA store in the province does tend to imply there's strong demand.

I only question the southeast location because Emerald Park/White City will also be getting a private store. Add to this the fact that current Off-Sales (e.g. Birminghams & 4Seasons) will operate under the same retail store permit as all other liquor retailers (including private stores and government ones)... so the southeast should be well-served even without a new liquor store in Acre21.

Not saying it a liquor store in Acre21 won't happen, just that the southeast should be better served than it currently is once the liquor retailing changes are fully implemented.

I have personal knowledge that there are a lot of big drinkers in the SE:cheers:

Drofmab Oct 13, 2016 1:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Stormer (Post 7591785)
I have personal knowledge that there are a lot of big drinkers in the SE:cheers:

:tup:

Drofmab Nov 23, 2016 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BrutallyDishonest2 (Post 7591401)
But they have to win the bid first. Half of the shortlisted candidates are probably banking on that location.

Co-op didn't win any of the bids in major markets, so this 2nd site at Acre 21 won't be a Co-op Liquor (Co-ops did get 14 smaller market locations, though).

Sobeys looks to be the big winner in cities: Regina, Saskatoon, Moose Jaw, Emerald Park, Yorkton, Melville, Kindersley, Battleford, Tisdale.

Regina & Saskatoon are also each getting a Metro Liquor, and Stoon is getting a Liquor Depot.

http://leaderpost.com/news/local-new...n-saskatchewan

Stormer Nov 23, 2016 9:59 PM

So are any SLGA stores in Regina closing?

Drofmab Nov 23, 2016 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stormer (Post 7631790)
So are any SLGA stores in Regina closing?

No Regina stores are closing, but Broad St will be converted to private (so, either Sobeys or Metro). The RFP doesn't require the new owner to remain in the existing building, but does require it to serve the same general geographic area... so they'll either stay in the current building, or find another downtown location.

(if you're asking if any new closures/conversion were announced - no, this list of 40 SLGA locations are still the only ones being converted to private). 20th St W & Market Mall in Stoon are also being converted (which explains why Stoon has 3 new private operators while Regina only has 2: both cities are net 1 more store, but Stoon has 2 SLGA stores that are being converted, whereas Regina only has 1 store being converted)).

Stormer Nov 23, 2016 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Drofmab (Post 7631817)
No Regina stores are closing, but Broad St will be converted to private (so, either Sobeys or Metro). The RFP doesn't require the new owner to remain in the existing building, but does require it to serve the same general geographic area... so they'll either stay in the current building, or find another downtown location.

(if you're asking if any new closures/conversion were announced - no, this list of 40 SLGA locations are still the only ones being converted to private). 20th St W & Market Mall in Stoon are also being converted (which explains why Stoon has 3 new private operators while Regina only has 2: both cities are net 1 more store, but Stoon has 2 SLGA stores that are being converted, whereas Regina only has 1 store being converted)).

No surprise SLGA wants to dump Broad and 12th. It is a tiny and scary location. Lots of visibly intoxicated patrons. It is the only one that closes at 6pm (for security reasons).

BrutallyDishonest2 Nov 24, 2016 1:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Drofmab (Post 7631817)
No Regina stores are closing, but Broad St will be converted to private (so, either Sobeys or Metro). The RFP doesn't require the new owner to remain in the existing building, but does require it to serve the same general geographic area... so they'll either stay in the current building, or find another downtown location.

It is my understanding that the contract was amended and the geographic restriction was removed. The Broad St. location is going to close and I wouldn't bet on anything near downtown opening.

Drofmab Nov 24, 2016 4:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BrutallyDishonest2 (Post 7631975)
It is my understanding that the contract was amended and the geographic restriction was removed. The Broad St. location is going to close and I wouldn't bet on anything near downtown opening.

SLGA doesn't explicitly say that in their news releases, but it's implied in the RFP process document issued on July 7, 2016.

Interesting. It seems quite clear that one store will go in the east, wonder where the other area will be. SLGA did evaluate site proposal during the RFP, so one would expect it'll still be a location in Regina that SLGA considers to be 'underserved.' I guess extreme NW could be in the running.

BrutallyDishonest2 Nov 25, 2016 1:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Drofmab (Post 7632352)
SLGA doesn't explicitly say that in their news releases, but it's implied in the RFP process document issued on July 7, 2016.

Interesting. It seems quite clear that one store will go in the east, wonder where the other area will be. SLGA did evaluate site proposal during the RFP, so one would expect it'll still be a location in Regina that SLGA considers to be 'underserved.' I guess extreme NW could be in the running.

I think they still have to be operational in 18 mo which I think kills the extreme NW.

It'll be interesting how the rules ultimately play out.

Stormer Nov 28, 2016 10:56 PM

I was in Edmonton recently and noticed that Loblaw had done the same type of box build-out at its Edmonton South Common store as they have done in Regina. The startling thing is that the buildings were completed but were 100% vacant in contrast to the Regina projects that are virtually 100% leased.

Drofmab Nov 29, 2016 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BrutallyDishonest2 (Post 7632825)
I think they still have to be operational in 18 mo which I think kills the extreme NW.

It'll be interesting how the rules ultimately play out.

Yeah - I thought about this after I posted. Hard to think of a place that's truly underserviced, looking at SLGA, the 2 existing private stores, and assuming 1 private store goes in the SE. Downtown actually strikes me as an underserviced market. No that out-of-town visitors are the target, but my colleagues are always surprised that we don't have a decent liquor store in the downtown core (some have ventured to the Broad location & warn others again such a trek). They end up going to Amy's Winehouse or Beer Bros' offsales... Amy's is overpriced, and BeerBros requires a food purchase.

A niche store in the downtown core might work well - the downtown crowd could be a perfect target market for niche products (not you high-volume, mass-market products like MolsonCoors, E&J Gallo, Constallation, Diageo, etc) - think of deVine Wines & Spirits or Vine Arts in downtown Edmonton & Calgary, respectively.

Assuming Sobeys goes in the east, that means Metro Liquor got the Broad Street SLGA... Metro's website sure doesn't mention anything from the major breweries (no MolsonCoors, AB-InBev, etc). I'm not a wine guy, but I don't see very many of the major brands. Maybe they are looking at a niche store downtown.

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EDIT: scratch that. I stuck around their main page for a few seconds & see many major labels on their splash images... they just don't list them in their online catalogue.

Nathan Nov 29, 2016 4:37 PM

^ Yeah, I thought the same thing regarding downtown actually being the most "underserviced" area of the city. Not sure where they'd really locate though... They could possibly take the Michi space and pull in the Amy's Winehouse since they likely wouldn't be able to compete on price, or perhaps one of the still open spaces in the Ag building on Hamilton. Can't really think of any other sizable vacant storefronts (if downtown was actually their aim, which as others have mentioned, is somewhat doubtful).

Drofmab Nov 29, 2016 6:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 7636450)
^ Yeah, I thought the same thing regarding downtown actually being the most "underserviced" area of the city. Not sure where they'd really locate though... They could possibly take the Michi space and pull in the Amy's Winehouse since they likely wouldn't be able to compete on price, or perhaps one of the still open spaces in the Ag building on Hamilton. Can't really think of any other sizable vacant storefronts (if downtown was actually their aim, which as others have mentioned, is somewhat doubtful).

Actually, Ag Place would likely work really well - they're trying to make that strip of Hamilton a destination.

Don't get me wrong, I still think a niche store is a tough sell in the best of markets - but if that's what they're thinking of, that block of Hamilton is probably the best bet.

Stormer Nov 29, 2016 7:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Drofmab (Post 7636613)
Actually, Ag Place would likely work really well - they're trying to make that strip of Hamilton a destination.

Don't get me wrong, I still think a niche store is a tough sell in the best of markets - but if that's what they're thinking of, that block of Hamilton is probably the best bet.

Don't know you work there? Sounds like wishful thinking. :cheers:


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