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Hatman Mar 22, 2015 9:36 PM

Of course AAF will build the trirail platforms. Having trirail own their own platforms is only one of many possible arrangements. AAF can own all the platforms and charge trirail an access fee, or can build the structure and not finish the platforms, then charged trirail the 64 million at a later date.
They will do this because the value of their property depends on getting a lot of people to move through their stations. At Miami, trirail can potentialy bring in more people per day than AAFs own trains. In short, the people at AAF would be shooting themselves in the foot by doing something so idiotic as to build their station in such a way that trirail can never be accommodated in the future.

eleven=11 Mar 23, 2015 12:09 AM

Yeah, Why is the mayor of Miami against this?
is he a friend of Gov rick scott?
http://realtime.blog.palmbeachpost.c...st-palm-beach/

chris08876 Mar 23, 2015 12:17 AM

Here is a NIMBY letter against the project:

http://www.floridanotallaboard.net/w...20672311_o.jpg
Credit: http://www.floridanotallaboard.net/news/

This being the Sheriff's from St.Lucie and the Indian River Counties.

And here is another: :haha:

Quote:

LETTER: ALL ABOARD FLORIDA CATASTROPHIC FOR THE TREASURE COAST

Letter: All scenarios catastrophic for Treasure Coast with All Aboard Florida

There are no successful unsubsidized passenger rail services in the country. None. When All Aboard Florida's proposed passenger service fails, and the loans default, Florida East Coast Rail will use these now-available and unused tracks for hauling double the freight from Miami. The Panama Canal will bring larger ships and double the freight. AAF offers nothing but unsafe crossings and delayed response time of emergency vehicles.

You live on the other side of the tracks from the hospital and have a heart attack, you call 911. You hear a whistle, the ambulance takes 5 or 10 minutes more to arrive. Paramedics treat you and load you into the ambulance. As it nears the tracks you hear a whistle. The ambulance stops again.

There's only one railroad bridge in Stuart. It's nearly 100 years old. Regulations require it to close 10 minutes before a train crosses and 10 or 15 minutes after. Thirty-two trains passing plus additional freight trains means the bridge might open to boat traffic about 5 - 10 minutes an hour.

Boats must keep moving in order to maintain control. When the bridge does go up, it will be a dash to get through. What could go wrong? When the bridge breaks (as 100-year-old bridges do), the trains will back up and will block crossings for miles on either side. How hard will it be to get parts?
Property values will plummet. Stuart will lose the left turn lane at Confusion Corner and lose more than 100 parking spots. Business will suffer immensely and many will fail.

If AAF is approved, we lose. Government should be by the people and for the people. It's about protecting money, not the people. This smells like a sellout and they don't care about us.
Credit: Citizens Against the Train

bobdreamz Mar 23, 2015 3:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatman (Post 6960624)
Of course AAF will build the trirail platforms. Having trirail own their own platforms is only one of many possible arrangements. AAF can own all the platforms and charge trirail an access fee, or can build the structure and not finish the platforms, then charged trirail the 64 million at a later date.
They will do this because the value of their property depends on getting a lot of people to move through their stations. At Miami, trirail can potentialy bring in more people per day than AAFs own trains. In short, the people at AAF would be shooting themselves in the foot by doing something so idiotic as to build their station in such a way that trirail can never be accommodated in the future.

This should answer your questions for the most part:
http://www.miamitodaynews.com/2015/0...town-advances/
It isn't just about platforms.

bobdreamz Mar 23, 2015 3:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 6960797)
Here is a NIMBY letter against the project:

http://www.floridanotallaboard.net/w...20672311_o.jpg
Credit: http://www.floridanotallaboard.net/news/

This being the Sheriff's from St.Lucie and the Indian River Counties.

And here is another: :haha:


Credit: Citizens Against the Train

None of this opposition really matters any more and that letter from the 3 Sherrifs was hilarious.

electricron Mar 23, 2015 6:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdreamz (Post 6961004)
None of this opposition really matters any more and that letter from the 3 Sherrifs was hilarious.

I completely agree! It's the responsibility of the local governments and states to build viaducts over the tracks.

chris08876 Mar 23, 2015 9:57 PM

Tri-Rail Connection To Airport Coming Within Weeks As Miami Central Station Nears Completion

http://i.imgur.com/fNZGWxk.jpg

Quote:

In just a few weeks, passengers will be able to get to and from Miami International Airport using Tri-Rail.

Officials expect to open the Tri-Rail portion of the Miami Central Station this spring. The cost of the Tri-Rail station is $92 million, up from the $85 million originally budgeted.

Passengers of the 71-mile Tri-Rail system will be able to access the airport terminal by taking an escalator to the MIA Mover, followed by a three-minute ride. MIA Mover trains depart approximately every 90 seconds, and MIA has ordered additional Mitsubishi Crystal Mover cars to add new capacity next year.

Tri-Rail has been shuttling MIA passengers to the Hialeah Market Station since September 2011, when they closed the airport station to rebuild it. At the time, they said that construction would last approximately two years. By closing the station instead of building while keeping it open, they claimed that they would save $10 million and 21 months of construction time.

Other components of the Intermodal Center, including the car rental center and metrorail link, are already open. An Amtrak connection has been plagued by delays and won’t open until summer 2016.
==============================
http://www.thenextmiami.com/index.ph...rs-completion/

electricron Mar 23, 2015 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 6961877)
Tri-Rail Connection To Airport Coming Within Weeks As Miami Central Station Nears Completion
==============================
http://www.thenextmiami.com/index.ph...rs-completion/

How does TriRail, a public transit agency, have anything to do with All Aboard Florida, a private train operator? Check this thread's title again, you're wrong twice!

chris08876 Mar 24, 2015 12:00 AM

^^^^

This shows your limited understanding of the All Aboard Florida project. ABF wants the tri-rail system to be linked to it. This way tri-rail funnels passengers to downtown, and also that they will share tracks with the upcoming ABF project. So its all relevant. They also want to expand service along the same route. Think of these two rail projects or services as working side by side in the grand scheme of things.

eleven=11 Mar 24, 2015 2:22 AM

you know AAF (all aboard florida) could become a management company
and operate some other rail/transportation stuff like Tri-Rail.
also the downtown Miami metromover which the city seems like they dont know much about.
what about orlando SunRail or the Ft lauderdale Wave train
plus dont forget jacksonville or Tampa expansions......
Miami/dade MetroRail needs help(plus its getting new trains in 2015)
Rick Scott should love this idea(and I hate him)

chris08876 Mar 24, 2015 3:09 AM

This thread should really be renamed to a title which represents all rail projects in Florida because they all tie into the bigger picture, and that a statewide system where both municipal systems merge into a statewide system. Similar to how every small transit project in NJ or Connecticut ties into NYC, its the same thing. If the ideas popular, I could in the future work on a thread which discusses all of these projects into one from small to medium to big (Maybye include it all like rail, highways, new bus routes and so on). Similar to a Nexus thread on rail/transportation, only for Florida? If the ideas popular (similar to a Nexis4Jersey rail thread), I could do one...

ABF being the main one, but everything along the Coast, inland, to the north, to the west, and east ties into it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6962211)
you know AAF (all aboard florida) could become a management company
and operate some other rail/transportation stuff like Tri-Rail.
also the downtown Miami metromover which the city seems like they dont know much about.
what about orlando SunRail or the Ft lauderdale Wave train
plus dont forget jacksonville or Tampa expansions......
Miami/dade MetroRail needs help(plus its getting new trains in 2015)
Rick Scott should love this idea(and I hate him)

See you get it. But others, eh... must not be doing the reading.:facepalm:

But let me know if you guys want something like that. I like working on these type of threads, and they tend to turn out like a good book.

eleven=11 Mar 24, 2015 3:30 AM

this forum should mostlyish be about the 4 stations
miami,ft laud,WPB, and orlando airport
looking forward to all the construction photos

Jasonhouse Mar 24, 2015 3:39 AM

^Actually, this discussion is within a thread, that is within a subforum, which is within a subforum, which is within a forum. :D

eleven=11 Mar 25, 2015 6:59 PM

free Tri-Rail tickets for downtown Miami Station
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...e16221608.html

eleven=11 Mar 26, 2015 1:20 AM

https://youtu.be/cuxmripBH-M
video youtube

eleven=11 Mar 26, 2015 9:32 PM

http://www.pbconventioncenter.com/ab...ruction_update
downtown WPB webcam hotel , question about FT Laud convention center
did it ever get a attached hotel?? just curious.
I wonder if miami AAF station gets a webcam?

eleven=11 Mar 27, 2015 1:29 AM

http://www.transitmiami.com/
very good article about tri rail coastal link, good website.

N830MH Mar 27, 2015 2:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6966710)
http://www.transitmiami.com/
very good article about tri rail coastal link, good website.

Well, did they approved it?

bobdreamz Mar 31, 2015 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 6961877)
Tri-Rail Connection To Airport Coming Within Weeks As Miami Central Station Nears Completion

http://i.imgur.com/fNZGWxk.jpg


==============================
http://www.thenextmiami.com/index.ph...rs-completion/


http://i.imgur.com/vVfXNSl.jpg

Finally!

"Tri-Rail's new station at the Miami International Airport is scheduled to open April 5, the South Florida Regional Transportation Authority (SFRTA) announced yesterday.
Part of the Miami Central Station at the Miami Intermodal Center, the Tri-Rail station will provide an immediate connection to the airport via the automated MIA Mover light-rail shuttle, SFRTA officials said.
The Miami Central Station already serves as a stop for Miami-Dade Transit's Metrorail, with Amtrak and Greyhound expected to join in the future, according to SFRTA."


http://www.progressiverailroading.co...airport--43948

*PS: We used to have a thread about the Intermodal center but it has disappeared. :shrug:

eleven=11 Mar 31, 2015 7:56 PM

miami central new constuction photos
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...2601103&type=1
anybody know how to post photos from facebook??

brickell Mar 31, 2015 10:17 PM

https://scontent-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hp...da&oe=55A6A368

eleven=11 Apr 1, 2015 11:39 PM

can someone re-post the best plans/links for Miami Central AAF station
and or the condo units above the tracks....
What was the big delay in the airport Tri-Rail station opening??

chris08876 Apr 2, 2015 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6974297)
can someone re-post the best plans/links for Miami Central AAF station
and or the condo units above the tracks....
What was the big delay in the airport Tri-Rail station opening??

Check the Miami Central thread. Its under proposals. All the info, diagrams, plans are there. Also links to pdf's and other sources.

Usually under "============" to separate info and sources.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=211542

Jasonhouse Apr 2, 2015 1:19 AM

Ridership should get a nice little bump from being connected to the airport.

eleven=11 Apr 2, 2015 6:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasonhouse (Post 6974431)
Ridership should get a nice little bump from being connected to the airport.

anybody think Rick Scott will show up for the grand opening?
Tri-Rail grand slam, still dont know why this took so long.
this is a big plus for the downtown miami station(in 2017)

bobdreamz Apr 2, 2015 9:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6974297)
can someone re-post the best plans/links for Miami Central AAF station
and or the condo units above the tracks....
What was the big delay in the airport Tri-Rail station opening??

The big delays came from the the fact that AMTRAK trains were longer than Tri-Rail trains and AMTRAK would basically block NW 25 st. to traffic on their platforms. So they had to reconfigure. Mis Communication!

eleven=11 Apr 2, 2015 8:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdreamz (Post 6974692)
The big delays came from the the fact that AMTRAK trains were longer than Tri-Rail trains and AMTRAK would basically block NE 25 st. to traffic on their platforms. So they had to reconfigure. Mis Communication!

yeah big delay silly they didnt know or plan ahead.
is there any news/or links that source/reference this info.
about the amtrak trains??
i predict the Tri-Rail will boost passengers 20% because of MIA airport
and its connections to central Dade & metrorail
should be good news for AAF in downtown miami.

bobdreamz Apr 2, 2015 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6975414)
yeah big delay silly they didnt know or plan ahead.
is there any news/or links that source/reference this info.
about the amtrak trains??

i predict the Tri-Rail will boost passengers 20% because of MIA airport
and its connections to central Dade & metrorail
should be good news for AAF in downtown miami.

Here you go:

"At new Miami train station, too-short platform to require costly
fixes
State engineers are blaming Amtrak for a problem that will require a costly fix at
Miami Central Station, the big new passenger-train hub under construction near
Miami International Airport.
By Andres Viglucci

Months after construction began on the new train station at Miami International Airport’s
transportation hub, state engineers realized they had a problem: The planned station platform was
too short for some of the Amtrak trains that will use it. About 200 feet too short, in fact.
That meant some trains parked at the $88 million Miami Central Station would jut
inconveniently out into the middle of Northwest 25th Street, one of just two direct connections
for motorists between Northwest South River Drive and LeJeune Road east of the airport."


http://www.micdot.com/news_room/clip...s%20-%20MH.pdf

eleven=11 Apr 3, 2015 2:08 AM

that article is from January 2013, what was the delay for opening??
I understand the delay being Govt paper shuffle who knows what.....
so that being said, What was the solution to the problem?
Did they decide to close NW 25th ST or something else

eleven=11 Apr 8, 2015 10:07 PM

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/2015/0...link-downtown/

good news?

bobdreamz Apr 9, 2015 3:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6982806)

Not really according to the article:
"City officials plan to re-evaluate the price tag to expand Tri-Rail to downtown Miami, Mayor Tomás Regalado said.
The $69 million cost was estimated and never been vetted by the City of Miami,”


In other words the city of Miami is trying to see if they can drop the cost lower.The numerous agencies have until June 30th. to find & fund a $29.5 million dollar shortfall.

eleven=11 Apr 11, 2015 5:25 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando...tional_Airport
you can see the new garage area under construction
the maps are new for Google & wiki maps.
wish i knew more about when/where they update this stuff?
also the citrus bowl stadium is completed.

eleven=11 Apr 16, 2015 4:05 AM

http://www.progressiverailroading.co...Florida--44163
nice construction started

eleven=11 Apr 20, 2015 10:01 PM

http://www.floridatoday.com/story/op...ject/25963323/
good article and video

Nexis4Jersey Apr 21, 2015 11:48 PM

Quote:

Slideshow: All Aboard Florida presentation to Florida Development...

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/l...AL_Page_16.jpg
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/gallery...gCSHy/#7143879

bobdreamz Apr 21, 2015 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6992339)

From the article above:

"(AAF) announced today it has chosen GE Transportation to design and manufacture signaling equipment for the 235-mile passenger-rail service that AAF is developing between Miami and Orlando, Fla.

AAF, a private company, is investing $1.5 billion to improve existing railway and, where needed, build new track for the rail system. GE will provide the signaling system to include upgrades to grade crossings, effective communications with approaching trains, a system for triggering gate openings and closings, and regulation of train-crossing times.
As a result, AAF trains will clear grade crossings in less than 60 seconds, AAF and GE officials said in a press release."



* This is important because Martin & St. Lucie counties are suing claiming that 32 AAF trains a day would cause traffic & boat delays at crossings in those counties. I wonder why they haven't sued FEC with their 100 car freight trains instead. Thanks for the link.

N830MH Apr 22, 2015 3:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdreamz (Post 6999200)
* This is important because Martin & St. Lucie counties are suing claiming that 32 AAF trains a day would cause traffic & boat delays at crossings in those counties. I wonder why they haven't sued FEC with their 100 car freight trains instead. Thanks for the link.

No, they didn't want to sued FEC. They can take more time. The freight trains can be move slowly, but not a fast trains. Only for AAF. AAF is a fastest trains.

eleven=11 Apr 22, 2015 9:13 PM

http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonvi...ll-aboard.html
Jacksonville All Aboard..........

bobdreamz Apr 23, 2015 1:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 6999405)
No, they didn't want to sued FEC. They can take more time. The freight trains can be move slowly, but not a fast trains. Only for AAF. AAF is a fastest trains.

Actually they are suing the Federal government and not AAF.

http://www.tcpalm.com/franchise/shap...bonds_81052029

N830MH Apr 23, 2015 5:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 6986362)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando...tional_Airport
you can see the new garage area under construction
the maps are new for Google & wiki maps.
wish i knew more about when/where they update this stuff?
also the citrus bowl stadium is completed.

Sorry man, I don't see it. I think you have go on Google Earth or try to go on Facebook page.

N830MH Apr 23, 2015 5:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdreamz (Post 7000766)
Actually they are suing the Federal government and not AAF.

http://www.tcpalm.com/franchise/shap...bonds_81052029

Yes, you're right. I didn't even know that. Why they suing the Federal government? I just don't understand it.

electricron Apr 23, 2015 7:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 7000984)
Yes, you're right. I didn't even know that. Why they suing the Federal government? I just don't understand it.

They're suing the Federal government because it is them doing the environmental study, and it is them that will approve the remedies of any environmental issues. The FEC AAF project is already approved informally, just waiting the final report of the environmental study to be issued. The suit is about the Feds not waiting for the final report to be issued before commenting their approval of the project.

I would like to add that almost all transportation projects are eventually approved by the Feds anyways. What's being decided presently are what remedies or remedial actions will have to be done to address all environmental issues, so the final report can be issued. Those remedial actions will be included in the final report.

Let's review what some remedial actions might be included for various environmental issues:

Noise: (1) Using welded rail and (2) Installing sound barriers to lower noise to maximum allowed levels. Not running the train at all isn't a permissible remedial action.
Additionally, most of the noise will come from the train's horn that must be so loud at every crossing by law or regulations. Not using the horn is only allowed in low noise zones where the crossings meet pre-approved remedies. Only governments can ask for low noise zones.

Vibrations: (1) Using alternate materials in the railroad beds and (2) Beefing up nearby buildings.

Neighborhoods inequalities economically: (1) Rerouting the rail corridor.
I would like to add that they will be using an existing rail corridor north the Cocoa Beach and a turnpike corridor west to Orlando. They aren't using a brand new corridor that can be rerouted.

Wildlife: (1) Limit construction activities while birds are nesting, (2) Install fencing to keep wildlife out, (3) Provide a means for wildlife to cross (over or under) the corridor safely, and (4) Reroute the corridor. Again, 4 isn't applicable in this case and the other three aren't going to stop this train.

Affects on other modes of transportation: (1) Building more grade separation crossings, (2) Improve the signaling and gates, and (3) Improving bridges over waterways. On flat Florida land, it's more likely for bridges to be built over the railroad where it is at now, and for the railroad to be built over the highways where there is no railroad now. It seems whatever existed first has legal priority at crossings. As for the waterways, all the bridges' operations can be improved upon.

Never-the-less, none of these potential remedies will stop the train by themselves. At best, they will make it more expensive to be built, possibly too expensive.

Which brings us back to what is imho a frivolous lawsuit. The Federal office holder being sued included the phrase meeting the environmental remedial actions in his speech. Which is the purpose of environmental studies in the first place, to identify remedial actions instead of stopping a project.

eleven=11 Apr 23, 2015 7:44 PM

WPB station starting soon
http://postnow.blog.palmbeachpost.co...hings-to-know/

N830MH Apr 24, 2015 4:31 AM

State looking at costly fix to unclog Ives Dairy
 
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/br...423-story.html

Finally!!! It's long overdue!!

Quote:

They are proposing a flyover be built over the coastal tracks that parallel U.S. 1 – allowing westbound traffic on Ives Dairy Road to bypass the trains.

Ives Dairy, in northern Miami-Dade County, is the pipeline from Interstate 95 to the Aventura Mall, the state's largest shopping center. It also carries a heavy influx of tourists and traffic to Gulfstream Park in neighboring Hallandale Beach.
I realize that I knows about the traffic on Ives Dairy Rd & US 1. Too much traffic!!! You have avoid this area. Way too extremely overcrowded!!!

Let the speculation begin.

eleven=11 Apr 25, 2015 9:21 PM

http://realtime.blog.palmbeachpost.c...ntial-project/
Whats Up With This? new tower for the WPB station......
I cant find any info or pics on this......

eleven=11 Apr 28, 2015 9:14 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...wary-investors
good/bad news??

eleven=11 Apr 30, 2015 7:57 PM

http://www.bizjournals.com/southflor...ential-at.html
still no details on new tower for WPB station, maybe across the street
with a bridge?
maybe they will do the same for Fort Lauderdale......

chris08876 Apr 30, 2015 8:22 PM

For the NIMBYS:

All Aboard Florida Gate Crossing Demonstration

Video Link

eleven=11 May 2, 2015 4:21 AM

http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...be/Ynu7phf.jpg
this is being built next to miami AAF station, next to the giant worldcenter mall thing.

N830MH May 2, 2015 5:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleven=11 (Post 7012219)
http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs...be/Ynu7phf.jpg
this is being built next to miami AAF station, next to the giant worldcenter mall thing.

What? There is no hotels or condos? Why not?


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