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Fabb Jul 21, 2007 12:53 PM

Big rendering, very detailed. Thanks !

tim Aug 1, 2007 2:35 PM

new 185m tower for frankfurt:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=505636


in 2008 the city will have atleast 5 new towers over 150m u/c

tim Aug 22, 2007 1:20 PM

more news: new 180m skyscraper for the dz bank

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=454738&page=2

Fabb Oct 11, 2007 6:36 PM

Time to revive this thread.

According to SSC, the Millenium Tower is still on, with a reduced height of 350 m.

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/21/mt2jh2.jpg

Bergenser Oct 11, 2007 7:05 PM

^ It would be so right with a supertall in Frankfurt!

Fabb Oct 11, 2007 7:28 PM

Right.
From that angle, this building is a behemoth that would fit in Chicago. What a statement it'd make !

R@ptor Oct 12, 2007 4:22 PM

The chances of the Millenium Tower being built are still close to zero. Even with the recent boom in the German economy there is simply no demand for such a huge skyscraper.

Fabb Oct 13, 2007 6:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R@ptor (Post 3107784)
The chances of the Millenium Tower being built are still close to zero. Even with the recent boom in the German economy there is simply no demand for such a huge skyscraper.

It looks huge from that side, but the other side is very slender.
The gross area is probably not that important.

Minato Ku Oct 13, 2007 7:02 AM

Frankfurt can offert this building at Paris ? Our office demand are too high. :D
Nice project anyway :)

tergeste Oct 20, 2007 7:26 PM

Where is the ECB currently located ? In other buildings in Frankfurt ?

gal Oct 30, 2007 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tergeste (Post 3116823)
Where is the ECB currently located ? In other buildings in Frankfurt ?

Eurotower

tergeste Nov 11, 2007 9:50 PM

Thanks, looks a lot more centrally located.

Bergenser Nov 12, 2007 6:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R@ptor (Post 3107784)
The chances of the Millenium Tower being built are still close to zero. Even with the recent boom in the German economy there is simply no demand for such a huge skyscraper.

Unfortunetly you are true; It's only a dream, today. :(

2taall Dec 3, 2007 6:46 PM

Frankfurt needs to really get on the stick a little more with the construction.

Auf schlecht deutsch: Frankfurt solle mehr Wolkenkratzer bei konstruktion haben.

Grumpy Dec 25, 2007 2:13 PM

Seen on DAF :

Quote:

Originally Posted by CYFI (Post 158992)

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_01.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_02.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_03.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_04.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_05.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_06.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_07.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_08.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_09.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_10.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_11.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_12.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_13.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_14.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._071207_15.jpg

Bilder: cyfi


marcipan Feb 16, 2008 6:05 PM

Here we go. Frankfurt The capital city of European skyscrapers... have a look. this week belongs to Germany - Deutchland www.skyscrapervideos.com

DS8® Feb 19, 2008 9:40 AM

lots of things going on here. :)
great pics, frankfurt is really on top of europe ;)

Grumpy Mar 21, 2008 2:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R@ptor (Post 3429537)
Great photos!

This view will definitely change dramatically in the coming years with 4-5 new major skyscrapers going up between the Messeturm and the DZ Bank.
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http://www.citabella.nl/20080313main...view020554.jpg

So which 4-5 towers are planned ?

R@ptor Mar 21, 2008 3:12 PM

These are basically certain:

Skyline Plaza Tower One (UEC) - 212m
PricewaterhouseCoopers Tower - 185m
Skyline Plaza Tower Two (UEC) - 160m
Hochhaus Matthäuskirche - 130m


And there are rumors that the DZ Bank will announce a second tower soon.

Grumpy Mar 22, 2008 7:10 PM

^^ got any renderings of those buildings ?

Fabb May 18, 2008 6:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bergenser (Post 3162000)
Unfortunetly you are true; It's only a dream, today. :(

But the site is cleared.
It just needs a go ahead.
I'd be surprised if it didn't come, eventually.

Nexus6 May 31, 2008 5:35 PM

First renderings of PWC Tower 185

Source: http://www.vivico.de/deutsch/Immobil...tel/Tower_185/

http://www.vivico.de/images/img2504.jpg

http://www.vivico.de/images/img2510.jpg

http://www.vivico.de/images/img2512.jpg

http://www.vivico.de/images/img2508.jpg

http://www.vivico.de/images/img2514.jpg

Grumpy Jun 24, 2008 12:42 PM

Seen on SSC:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom_Green (Post 21522855)
....und die Stadt boomt wie seit langem nicht mehr...
http://i31.tinypic.com/2sb67us.jpg

... fahr ich alle 2 Monate hin.

Bilder vom Samstag
EZB
http://i25.tinypic.com/xkqf03.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/21l51kh.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/iclrx5.jpg

http://i30.tinypic.com/317fhfl.jpg

Basutelle vom MainTower aus gesehen.
http://i28.tinypic.com/21kgnco.jpg

Opernturm
http://i32.tinypic.com/sw6yj9.jpg

http://i26.tinypic.com/jzzleo.jpg

http://i25.tinypic.com/2v3pn5f.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/33os6sz.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/fkpocw.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/2zqzx9u.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/29zyohk.jpg

PalaisQuartier

http://i27.tinypic.com/hsqfdk.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/28wl0gn.jpg

http://i28.tinypic.com/equzqp.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/f35gle.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/2epr639.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/2rglztd.jpg

http://i32.tinypic.com/153b87t.jpg


Fabb Jun 25, 2008 8:32 PM

PWC Tower 185 will be a much needed addition to the skyline. MesseTurm has been too isolated too long. The new tower will help it make the connection to the main skyline.

mic of orion Jul 10, 2008 12:30 PM

nice shots of Frankfurt :) :tup:

NcSc74 Jul 31, 2008 9:24 AM

Skyline reminds me of Atlanta Ga. Especially the tower with the spire. It looks like the BOA tower.

cardiac Sep 15, 2008 8:50 AM

These are the current projects of Frankfurt:

Construction:
1. OpernTurm – 170m (finished 2009)
2. PalaisQuartier Office Tower – 136m (finished 2009)
3. PalaisQuartier Hotel Tower – 100m (finished 2009)
4. Tower 185 (PriceWaterCoopers Tower) – 185m (finished 2011)
5. Skytower (EZB/ECB Tower) – 185m (finished 2011?)

Proposed / almost sure:
1. BahnTower (Campanile) – 210m
2. Grand Hyatt Hotel (“Tower 2”) – 165m
3. DZ Bank-Tower 3 – 180-230m (is waiting for political yes)
4. Kaiserkarree – 130-150m (finished 2011)
5. Degussa/Evonik - some lower stuctures and one ~100m "tower"
Further:
6. Marieninsel – 210-250m
7. Tower Mathäuskirche – 130m
8. Frankfurter Sparkasse - 190-200m

And circa 10 other (not dead!) projects with more than 100 meters.
So maybe we can see 9 or 10 new skyscrapers in 2012 in Frankfurt. Too bad, that there is no new information about the millennium tower (350-380m). :(

Grumpy Sep 15, 2008 9:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cardiac (Post 3800462)
Proposed / almost sure:
1. BahnTower (Campanile) – 210m

This proposal is probably 20 years old :rolleyes:

cardiac Sep 15, 2008 9:43 AM

No, this is brandnew. :p
Vivico want's to build a 210m tower for Deutsche Bahn AG next to the Central Railwaystation on the areal, where the Campanile was proposed in the 90's. And - oho - the administration of Frankfurt is fine with that. :notacrook:

R@ptor Sep 15, 2008 4:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 3800464)
This proposal is probably 20 years old :rolleyes:

No, it's a new proposal on the same spot. It has both the backing of the city (in fact it even has the support of the Green Party!!! since it will include a new huge bus terminal) and a major tenant (it will be the new headquarters of the German Rail (DB) in Frankfurt).

The first renderings should be released soon, the only thing that's known so far is the height of 210m, which would make it the third tallest in Frankfurt and Germany, 2m higher than Westendstr.1.

Grumpy Sep 15, 2008 7:25 PM

^^ Guys , now you made my very curious.

Is the Degussa building still that cubic one , the one that was proposed in the beginning?

cardiac Sep 15, 2008 9:51 PM

Dunno, but i guess so... never saw a new rendering.

tim Sep 16, 2008 3:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R@ptor (Post 3800947)
No, it's a new proposal on the same spot. It has both the backing of the city (in fact it even has the support of the Green Party!!! since it will include a new huge bus terminal) and a major tenant (it will be the new headquarters of the German Rail (DB) in Frankfurt).

The first renderings should be released soon, the only thing that's known so far is the height of 210m, which would make it the third tallest in Frankfurt and Germany, 2m higher than Westendstr.1.


I have the feeling the more towers are being put on hold in london, the more towers are getting started in frankfurt. frankfurt will get hit by the worldwide turmoil in the financial sector - no doubt about it. but right now, it seems as if the boom isn't stopping but getting stronger - and all these projects already have anchor tenants.

the bahn tower is pretty certain now - the opposition fell quickly. if we're lucky, we'll see a 230m DG Bank tower too - that would be 2 x 200m+ towers nobody was expecting. plus all the others, that started or are about to start.

the only tower, that I'm worried a bit, is kaiserkarree. it is being redesigned completely right now - the height will be increased from 135m to 150m. that would be the only speculative project right now, unless tishman speyer is in secret talks with somebody. construction is planned to start beginng of 2009. I wonder, if this will really go ahead speculatively, in times like these.

tim Sep 16, 2008 4:05 PM

soon we can add another tower to the u/c list:

the skyline plaza development including the grand hyatt tower is starting this year - this has been confirmed yesterday during a debate in the parliament. the development has got the final green light.

R@ptor Sep 16, 2008 5:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim (Post 3803040)
I have the feeling the more towers are being put on hold in london, the more towers are getting started in frankfurt. frankfurt will get hit by the worldwide turmoil in the financial sector - no doubt about it. but right now, it seems as if the boom isn't stopping but getting stronger - and all these projects already have anchor tenants.

The situation in Frankfurt is completely different than in London, given the different group of tenants for whom the towers were planned.

90%+ of the projects in London were aimed at companies from the financial sectors and anybody who has been following the news recently knows about the current situation there.

The new Bahn Tower in Frankfurt has the German Rail as its main tenant, a company that even profits from a financial crisis (people switching from the car and plane to the rail). Also keep in mind that construction companies lower their prices during a recession in order to attract any customers at all during those times. This is also an important point to keep in mind when you think about the construction of the new tower of the ECB, which would get their new HQ for a cheaper price. Additionally quite a few of the new towers in Frankfurt are hotels such as the Hyatt @ UEC or the Palaisquartier Hotel.

tim Sep 16, 2008 8:03 PM

according to this frankfurt could become the new headquarter for postbank ... they have a great skyscraper in bonn

http://www.faz.net/s/RubBEFA4EA6A594...~Scontent.html

cardiac Sep 16, 2008 8:54 PM

Imagine Deutsche Bank would revive the dead project "MAX" as a new Postbank headquarter. Muahaha, Frankfurt booms and booms and booms. ;)

Grumpy Sep 20, 2008 2:58 PM

A lovely picture from the Opernturm made by CYFI from the DAF:

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._080911_04.jpg


Hoch 4 made by CYFI from the DAF:

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...V_080911_6.jpg

Grumpy Sep 22, 2008 9:57 AM

So this one , Tower 185 is actually U/C ?

http://www.vivico.de/images/img2508.jpg

cardiac Sep 22, 2008 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 3814915)
So this one , Tower 185 is actually U/C ?

http://www.vivico.de/images/img2508.jpg

Yes. :banana:

Bergenser Sep 22, 2008 1:20 PM

Good to see some activity in Frankfurt!

Grumpy Sep 22, 2008 7:39 PM

How is the situation about this one : Airrail Center ?

gal Sep 23, 2008 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy (Post 3815668)
How is the situation about this one : Airrail Center ?

Here are some fresh pics:
Hochhausforum.de

There are also 3 webcams:

Webcam 1
Webcam 2
Webcam 3


I'll show you one of the pics here, picture was taken by Jürgen from Hochhausforum.de:

http://www.ld-host.de/uploads/images...a09d33d0df.jpg

Yves Sep 23, 2008 7:12 PM

Airrail Center is growing rapidly. Seen from the autobahn it's currently looking like a giant ocean liner or spaceship. Yet another picture, seen on www.hochhausforum.de :

http://www.ld-host.de/uploads/images...c7b91dfdee.jpg

http://www.ivg.de/images/airrail_1.jpg

Yves Sep 23, 2008 7:47 PM

Frankfurt exhibition centre: Lots of construction is also going on there:

http://www.ld-host.de/uploads/images...075c1d9872.jpg

http://www.ld-host.de/uploads/images...abdbf5a3ce.jpg

Yves Sep 23, 2008 8:00 PM

The PalaisQuartier is one of my favorite projects in Frankfurt: Posted by Schmittchen and CYFI from DAF (www.deutsches-architektur-forum.de).

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...chen/643pq.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...V_080911_1.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...V_080911_2.jpg

Yves Sep 23, 2008 8:28 PM

The Opernturm has nearly reached its final hight: Seen on DAF, posted by CYFI and Gizmo23

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._080911_03.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._080911_04.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...rnturm-104.jpg

Yves Sep 23, 2008 8:38 PM

Construction of Tower 185 (PriceWaterhouseCoopers-Tower) has begun: Pictures were taken by Jürgen from http://www.hochhausforum.de

http://www.ld-host.de/uploads/images...053fec4a50.jpg

http://www.ld-host.de/uploads/images...a54f0c34ca.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...r71/tower1.jpg

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k2...r71/tower2.jpg

Yves Sep 23, 2008 8:50 PM

Back to Frankfurt Airport. Does somebody know if the so called Quartier Alpha, which is located within the The Gateway Gardens Area is under construction already?

http://www.ld-host.de/uploads/images...4bee51cb99.JPG

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2251/...1949f18d_o.jpg

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/934...1tcm387fl2.jpg

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...tmitrender.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2053/...9072565d_o.jpg

http://www.gateway-gardens.de/upload...llery_qa01.jpg

Grumpy Sep 24, 2008 12:53 PM

What an update, thanks :tup:


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