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GaylordWilshire Apr 27, 2024 11:39 AM

:previous:


https://i.postimg.cc/Zn5CccrK/lupeandclara-bmp.jpg


Was it Lupe or Clara who said that Gary was "hung like a horse and can go all night"?

bilbao58 Apr 27, 2024 3:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10193716)
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#3

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/EkYjrt.jpg

Judy Garland and the photographer. (proto-selfie?)

Being the old guy that I am, I wouldn't assume "myself" was the photographer, though, judging from the camera angle, I think there's a good chance the photog was a Munchkin. :haha:

I love all these photos!


Edited to add: I just noticed what looks like a camera possibly hanging from her neck so maybe she was a/the photographer. Is this her, maybe?

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ae44d6ef_c.jpg

Martin Pal Apr 27, 2024 3:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 10193788)
Was it Lupe or Clara who said that Gary was "hung like a horse and can go all night"?

That indeed was Clara Bow.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/1cd734c7...654192661a.gif

Beaudry Apr 28, 2024 5:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10193724)
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#5

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq70/924/qkcBuZ.jpg

John Wayne driving a car load of men out of a parking lot.(I think)..If we could read that blade sign down the street we might be able to figure out the location.

Just for fun here's a closer look at the blade sign.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/fhFcxw.jpg


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They're exiting the Brown Derby; this is looking north on Vine toward Hollywood Blvd. The blade sign is still there, at the Taft Bldg.

ethereal_reality Apr 28, 2024 9:35 PM

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:previous:

I didn't think we'd figure that one out. Thanks Beaudry.


And thanks Riichkay for locating the house that Lupe Velez lived in in 1941.

I believe CBS Columbia Square (6121 Sunset Boulevard) is in the distance behind Evelyn Keyes (#2) so she might be standing on . .um. .Gower(?), perhaps. :shrug:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/0Mi6z7.jpg


Quote:

Originally Posted by bilbao58 (Post 10193872)

I love all these photos!

I'm glad you liked them. Don't be a stranger. :)
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ethereal_reality Apr 28, 2024 10:02 PM

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Here's another mystery location that might be a stinker to solve..

This snapshot shows cars parked in on front of a large building with an arched entrance in Los Angeles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/0oUmwz.jpg
eBay

I'm mostly curious about the steak joint but I think the best clue might be the storefront closest to the camera.

Here's a better look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/AyHAhK.jpg
Detail

The circles reminds me of the Civil Defense logo but it could be a number of other gov. organizations as well.



Help me out here noirishers. :whip:
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HenryHuntington Apr 29, 2024 3:21 AM

OK, e_r, here's my best take. The signage at the other end of the building reads "Ward Refrigerators" and "Viking...". A directory search (1947 Central L.A. Yellow Pages via Library of Congress) establishes that Viking Sales Corporation was a distributor of Ward Refrigerators and had their place of business at 1481 West Washington Blvd. in that year.

The remaining trace of supporting evidence is that the barely-visible building down the street in the photo bears a resemblance to the neighborhood market currently at 1451-57 West Washington. And thus endeth my case.

As for the rest, 1481 doesn't appear in the 1956 Street Directory, and what's there now is a storage lot that would merit a junkyard dog. I wasn't able to locate a street directory before 1956 that might've helped us determine the identities of the other businesses in the photo, assuming that we have the right location. The sign for the cafe appears to read "Steaks Snacks". I was able to make out the window lettering for the remaining ground-floor tenant as "______ Music Producers (or Publishers?), Inc. Local 207 (or 217?), but I never came up with an organization that fit the nomenclature; the first word is too fuzzy for my primitive image management skills, I'm afraid. And without it...

One last touch is that there was indeed a Ward Refrigerator and Manufacturing Company at 6501 South Alameda just to provide a nice red herring. And no, their building didn't resemble our quarry.

Stinker, indeed. But I can't say I didn't have fun with this! Comments and critique are welcome as always.

Mackerm Apr 29, 2024 6:04 AM

:previous:

Thanks for the tip on the 1947 Yellow Pages. That looks like a union logo in the window, and I think I can read "Local" at the bottom. So I looked up Unions, which redirected me to Labor Organizations, and browsed for ones on Washington.


https://i.postimg.cc/Vsncfyjh/Screen...428-230845.png
LOC

Seems to be the Building Service Employees International Union at 1491 W. Washington. The logo looks right.


https://i.postimg.cc/cJ7XV7Kk/s-l1200-1.webp
eBay

HenryHuntington Apr 30, 2024 2:21 AM

Mackerm, great work! I completely misread most of the lettering on the windows at 1491 and so would've gone to my grave wondering what a music-oriented union would've been doing there instead of Hollywood. Thanks!

ethereal_reality Apr 30, 2024 7:32 PM

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EXCELLENT sleuthing HenryHuntington and Mackerm. :worship:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/C6gf8c.jpg

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ethereal_reality Apr 30, 2024 7:43 PM

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Here's a OOAK (one of a kind) snapshot of downtown Eagle Rock. (1920?)


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/P0xV1G.jpg
Currently on eBay

I don't recall seeing the bandstand(?) and flagpole in the middle of the street*.

*The small town I grew up in also had a bandstand in the middle of the Main Street. (now IL RT. 49)
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ethereal_reality Apr 30, 2024 7:53 PM

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I just realized the same eBay seller also has this snapsnap listed on eBay.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/0WRqqg.jpg
Currently on eBay

If you look closely I think someone might be up there.

I didn't know Eagle Rock had their very own 'Hollywood' sign. (except it says Eagle Rock :))...So where was this located?


We might have covered this before but I don't remember.
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Mackerm May 1, 2024 2:49 AM

:previous:
https://i.postimg.cc/3wcQMMrT/4-0818...l-1024x496.jpg
Eaglerockhistory

The business center at Eagle Rock and Colorado Boulevards had continued to grow in 1927 with the construction of the three story Ritchy Hardware building on Caspar, and the post World War I addition of a trolley waiting area and flag pole in the center of the intersection, dubbed the "Merrie Go Round”. The concrete structure became a great obstacle to increased auto traffic and was removed in the mid-thirties perhaps embodying a shift of priorities from rail to automotive transit. (ERVHS)


https://i.postimg.cc/5ycc0wFK/0582-5...l-1024x837.jpg
Eaglerockhistory (Near the bottom of the page)

This detail from a panoramic view shot in February 1923 shows the Eagle Rock sign in the upper left. This item quoted from the Eagle Rock Sentinel in 1922 tells all we know about the sign. “About the last of October, the name of Eagle Rock can be seen as a pillar of fire by night near the summit-of Eagle Mountain, officially named by the Booster Club.” said an article of The Sentinel under date of September 28, 1922. “The short range of heights directly north of the city is a ridge of the Verdugo Hills. It’s now officially Eagle Mountain. The contract to construct Eagle Rock’s new advertising sign has been let by the Chamber of Commerce to the electric sign factory of Los Angeles. Funds to the amount of $800 was raised by public subscription to defray expenses of this illumination.” It was no longer there in the panorama shot in 1924. (unknown-ERVHS)


The intersection at the lower-right is Ellenwood Dr. and Colorado Blvd.

https://i.postimg.cc/T1nzWpVd/1923-CA-ER-SIGN-EB.jpg
Eaglerockhistory

This closeup of the sign appeared on ebay

ethereal_reality May 2, 2024 8:33 PM

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:previous: I love the older gentleman standing in the 0...I wonder how difficult it was for him to reach the sign.
.Does anyone know if there was a road nearby? (I mean, the sign builders had to get the LETTERS up there somehow) . .and I don't think they used a helicopter. ;)

It took me awhile to find the sign in the larger photograph.
If anyone else had the same problem here it is circled and cropped.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/Dfh59m.jpg
cropped

Thanks again for your help, Mackerm. it's much appreciated. :)


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ethereal_reality May 2, 2024 9:47 PM

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While we're in the area and discussing hilltop signs. (and since I already had these photos uploaded on imageshack :))

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/cU3Twf.jpg

Last month when I happened upon this old photo-album on eBay I was surprised that I didn't remember (or never knew about) the rather tasteful Art Deco-esque 'Tower of Legands at Forest Lawn, Glendale.


Here's a closer look at the Tower of Legends taken in 1929.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/UkVHo7.jpg
eBay (I've enlarged the photo / I just noticed the car)

It turns out, the reason I don't remember it is because it was TORN DOWN in 1948 to make way for the less-than-tasteful Hall of The Crucifixion-Resurrection built in 1951
to house the two Gi-normous paintings on the life of Christ.

I just found this:.."The Tower of Legends was built in 1924 to disguise a water tower and was torn down on April 2, 1948."..SDSU


Wait there's more!

The album also included a couple of amazing snapshots taken from behind the Forest Lawn sign. (or one of the signs, anyway) I don't know how many signs Forest Lawn had back in 1929.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/cpkyez.jpg




https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/ivqQ7F.jpg


These photgraphs have never been seen before except by the family who owned them.

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Mackerm May 3, 2024 2:33 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/GpZMKNPc/photos-105409-large.jpg
LAPL

This was the only photo showing the big Forest Lawn Memorial Park signs I could quickly find on Calisphere. They pretty much flattened that whole hilltop.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZRyCwbJK/content-1-2.jpg
Google Books The American City Magazine

UPDATE: I guess ER knew what he was talking about when he suggested the possibility of multiple Forest Lawn signs. This 1926 aerial shows two.

Then again, the Tower of Legends has been discussed here as early as 2012. Or is it Tower of Legions?

An even better shot of the two signs.


This sign is all on one line.

Video Link

ethereal_reality May 3, 2024 10:05 PM

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THE PALMYRA, January 1911, Los Angeles, Cal



Here's an interesting snapshot recently listed on eBay.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/N5dxrA.jpg
eBay


A somewhat closer look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/igLx9C.jpg

Does anyone know where the Palmyra was located? :shrug:


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HenryHuntington May 3, 2024 10:38 PM

L.A. City Directory 1911 edition lists "Palmyra The (fur rms)" at 831 S. Flower St., e_r.

Grandpa Dan May 3, 2024 11:02 PM

I think I found a survivor in the Eagle Rock picture! 2199 Colorado Blvd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/wJVyW7kKTdBXAAvD7

Flyingwedge May 4, 2024 3:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryHuntington (Post 10198317)
L.A. City Directory 1911 edition lists "Palmyra The (fur rms)" at 831 S. Flower St., e_r.

Thanks for that photo, e_r, and thanks for putting an address to that name, HH.

Here are photos and info on that building from a previous post.

ethereal_reality May 4, 2024 10:23 PM

:previous:

Thanks so much HenryHuntington and Flyingwedge.



I happened upon this rare cabinet card last night on eBay.

Has anyone heard of the ROMA HOTEL?..We're talking the 1880s!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/1wLPzZ.jpg

And the reverse:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/SKLSCm.jpg



Let's take a closer look at this astonishing photograph.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/9PAmsX.jpg
eBay now I can't find it again / perhaps it sold(?)

Ga-Zowie!







I found three listings -and two different addresses- in the LA directories.

I located this one first.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/qgjWeD.jpg
LAPL


Luckily this next entry had a more specific address.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/kiGVwT.jpg
LAPL


The hotel appears to have moved to a different location by 1887.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/PkERon.jpg
LAPL


I don't think it's possible (even for you wonderful sleuths) to figure out if the photograph is of the Alameda Street location or the N. Los Angeles Street location.

Never-the-less, :superwhip . . .try to figure it out, minions!

You know I love you.
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odinthor May 5, 2024 4:45 AM

:previous:

https://i.postimg.cc/GmDgzYg7/Roma-LAT-1887-12-10.jpg
LA Times, 12/10/1887

e_r, the street in front of the hotel in the picture is flat. The grade of the street in front of the hotel, according to the above, is "quite steep." The steep one is the one on Alameda (see above); thus, the pic would appear to be the Roma on North Los Angeles Street.

HenryHuntington May 5, 2024 5:03 PM

Not to mention, though I shall, that Los Angeles St. had a horsecar line, while Alameda St. carried the SP standard-gauge steam railroad southward to San Pedro. Odinthor has closed yet another case!

WS1911 May 5, 2024 5:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10198795)
:previous:

Thanks so much HenryHuntington and [B]Flyingwedge[/
I happened upon this rare cabinet card last night on eBay.

Has anyone heard of the ROMA HOTEL?..We're talking the 1880s!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/1wLPzZ.jpg

And the reverse:
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/SKLSCm.jpg


I found three listings -and two different addresses- in the LA directories.

I located this one first.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/qgjWeD.jpg
LAPL


Luckily this next entry had a more specific address.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/kiGVwT.jpg
LAPL


The hotel appears to have moved to a different location by 1887.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/PkERon.jpg
LAPL


I don't think it's possible (even for you wonderful sleuths) to figure out if the photograph is of the Alameda Street location or the N. Los Angeles Street location.

Never-the-less, try to figure it out, minions! :superwhip

You know I love you.
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The Kodak model 1 roll film camera was introduced in 1888. It came preloaded with film that took 100 round images. So my guess is that it was the Los Angeles Street address.

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riichkay May 5, 2024 10:58 PM

Add re: Roma Hotel proprietor Giuseppe Roattino, here he is in the 1892 voter rolls....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds


Note his residence on Kuhrts St. (it's now part of N. Main St.), the street was named for Jacob Kuhrts, city council president and chief of the volunteer fire dept.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Kuhrts

odinthor May 6, 2024 4:01 AM

When the city's address renumbering took place, the Roma Hotel on Alameda acquired the following address: 1009 N. Alameda. That's where Philippe's is.

The Roma Hotel's site on North Los Angeles St., 108-110, nearly kept the same address in the new address numbering: 114 North Los Angeles; but the business there after the Roma was gone was one Benjamin Hayman, Carriages & Wagons.

:cheers:

Flyingwedge May 6, 2024 5:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10198795)

Let's take a closer look at this astonishing photograph.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/9PAmsX.jpg

I think the photo shows the Roma Hotel on Alameda, not the one on North Los Angeles.

In the photo, from right to left, we have what looks like a three-story brick building, a scattering of small, one-story buildings, and then
the Roma. We also see these on the map below. Additionally, notice where the curb is directly behind the guy in the carriage? If you
follow the line of that curb down toward the Roma, it appears that the Roma's balcony sticks out into the street, like it does here at
the lower left:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...a_N_of_Ord.jpg

1894 Sanborn Map @ Library of Congress
[Note: Alameda is at the bottom, Upper Main (now North Spring) is at the top, and Ord runs along the left edge.]


Here are Alameda, Upper Main, and Ord (at the time called Walters) in 1888, with the Old Roma Hotel at 611 N. Alameda, again with the
balcony sticking out into the street but with no three-story building, brick or otherwise, to its north:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...ock_-_1024.jpg

1888 Sanborn Map @ ProQuest via LA Public Library


For whatever reason, the 1888 Sanborn shows 108-110 N. Los Angeles Street as "Italian" Furnished Rooms, not as the Roma Hotel:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...foX3T9PUky.jpg

1888 Sanborn Map @ ProQuest via LA Public Library


Here's where Giuseppe said arrivederci to the Roma:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...t_for_sale.jpg

July 21, 1887, Los Angeles Herald @ Newspapers.com

ethereal_reality May 7, 2024 3:32 AM

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re: The Roma Hotel.

Thanks odinthor, HenryHuntington, WS1911, riichkay and Flyingwedge for your excellent sleuthing! :worship:
I'll put my whip away. (for the time being) ;)

So . .um . . . should we VOTE? Alameda Street or N. Los Angeles Street.

update:

I just heard from odinthor and he agrees with Flyingwedge that the location is probably Alameda Street.


re: Eagle Rock.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grandpa Dan (Post 10198335)
I think I found a survivor in the Eagle Rock picture! 2199 Colorado Blvd

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/qFszg8.jpg
https://maps.app.goo.gl/wJVyW7kKTdBXAAvD7

Thanks Grandpa Dan and welcome to noirish Los Angeles. :)


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Martin Pal May 7, 2024 5:09 PM

:previous:

That billboard! Heh! It does get your attention.

ethereal_reality May 8, 2024 3:59 AM

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I've been trying to get on NLA all day but it kept saying "server busy". This has been happening alot lately. I hope Skyscraperpage fixes the problem behore we all get discouraged. :(


Guess what noirishers: I have a mystery location that needs to be solved.

Here's how it's listed on eBay.

Van Fleet & Durkee 427 Shell gas station S California Los Angeles ? visible pump....< - - - - Note the question mark behind Los Angeles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/4aMh41.jpg
eBay

We have seen other Van Fleet & Durkee sevice stations on NLA but I don't believe we have seen this particular one. ..I initially thought that was a plowed field in the distance but it's the roof of a building.





I think a sign down the street might says Billiards.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/zmTadg.jpg
detail




You can go HERE if you would like to see the Van Fleet and Durkee service station #137 at West 7th Street and South Park View Street, Los Angeles.
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Mackerm May 8, 2024 3:07 PM

I'm blanking out. How were gas stations listed in directories and yellow pages from the 1910s-1920s? Phone books from the 1940s have a category of "gasoline service stations" :help:

ethereal_reality May 8, 2024 3:32 PM

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Thanks for trying, Mackerm, but I can't answer your question, sorry.



Another mystery location (sort of)

I happened upon this interesting photograph on eBay a couple of weeks ago.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/KfrVx3.jpg

B.ut does anyone know where in East Pasadena. :shrug:

I thought it would be fairly easy to find the address of the post office but so far I haven't had any luck.
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Mackerm May 9, 2024 6:28 AM

I see "Giddings" on one sign. The house on the left looks pretty darn close to the 2-story house shown here:

https://i.postimg.cc/SxPdKDqz/Giddings-Family-1878.jpg
Water and Power
Calisphere Giddings First Home.
Pasadena Digital History Much better copy of the Giddings Home photo.
:wiseman:

The description says 1318 East Colorado Street.

(Hmmm, on second thought the roof doesn't seem to go down far enough. Oh well. Can't delete the post, so enjoy!)

A bit more info on Joshua Reed Giddings from History of Los Angeles County, V.3 p. 76

"For a few years after completing his education he conducted a general merchandise store in Pasadena"

"Mr. Giddings built his present resident at the corner of Hollister and East Colorado streets twenty-eight years ago"

They probably meant Holliston. This is, of course the current site of McDonalds, and the famous Foothill Boulevard Milestone (Mile 11).

https://i.postimg.cc/kG6DDNTy/212442...148977-n-1.jpg
Instagram

This week we visit the Hill Avenue Branch, which was established in 1910 and called the East Pasadena Branch because it served the east side of Pasadena. It was first located in a feed and fuel shack, but it later moved and occupied the second floor of the Giddings Building, owned by the Giddings family, on Colorado Boulevard and Holliston Avenue. In 1922 a rainstorm caused heavy damage to the building, and when repairs proved too costly it was decided that a new library should be built instead. A vigorous campaign to build a permanent branch on the east side was launched in 1924 and its success resulted in the city approving bonds for a new library building. The new branch opened in 1925 and was renamed the Hill Avenue Branch. It was designed by the noted architectural firm Marston, Van Pelt and Maybury and is one of the oldest buildings in the Pasadena Public Library system. The building’s historical architecture has been maintained throughout the years and is listed in the City of Pasadena's Cultural Heritage Landmarks. See http://ww5.cityofpasadena.net/librar...avenue-branch/ (Image source: PPL collection @pdhc2019) #flashbackfriday #fbf @cityofpasadena

Compare the building with the library to the photo e_r posted.

Noir_Noir May 9, 2024 7:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10200623)
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I've been trying to get on NLA all day but it kept saying "server busy". This has been happening alot lately. I hope Skyscraperpage fixes the problem behore we all get discouraged. :(


Guess what noirishers: I have a mystery location that needs to be solved.

Here's how it's listed on eBay.

Van Fleet & Durkee 427 Shell gas station S California Los Angeles ? visible pump....< - - - - Note the question mark behind Los Angeles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/4aMh41.jpg
eBay

We have seen other Van Fleet & Durkee sevice stations on NLA but I don't believe we have seen this particular one. ..I initially thought that was a plowed field in the distance but it's the roof of a building.



I think a sign down the street might says Billiards.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/zmTadg.jpg
detail

The "Van Fleet and Durkee" branding of the stations lasted from 1929 to 1931. The chain then went under the "Shell Service Inc." banner.


https://i.imgur.com/OPctlwZ.jpeg
archive.org - los-angeles-times_1931-03-10


If the the company stayed with their numbering system after the rebrand, the station pictured was likely in the general San Francisco area.

A 1933 San Francisco/Daly City directory lists the area's Shell Service Inc. stations with their designated number.

The stations are all in the 400 - 450 range. There is no listing for a 427 Shell station that year. Maybe closed or jumped ship?


I can't find a listing that fits but I think the pictured station may have been somewhere close to the intersection of Mission Street and Hillside Blvd. in Daly City.

You can make out "Mission" at the bottom of the real estate sign to the right of the picture.

https://i.imgur.com/EZxFikM.jpeg


The top of the sign maybe referring to the Vista Marina mentioned here.

https://i.imgur.com/I7yKtY2.jpeg
archive.org - Daly City Record 1932-11-04


There is a Vista Avenue close to the intersection these days.

Back in the early 1930's there was a billiards hall just north of the intersection at 6375 Mission Street.

The area I think it might be nowadays.

https://i.imgur.com/YgtUdYC.jpeg
GSV


Apologises for all the :shrug: in the post.

riichkay May 10, 2024 7:57 AM

Great work Noir Noir, I think you have this one.....the San Mateo County list of remediated environmental properties shows a LUST (Leaking Underground Storage Tank) site at 6417 Mission St., just south of Hillside Blvd. and very near the billiards parlor at 6375 Mission St.....this would put the station right around the fenced area in your Google street view....


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds


Starting in about 1980 there was a nationwide effort to clean gas station sites, even if the station was long gone, as the metal underground tanks of prior generations invariably corroded over time and leaked petroleum products into the soil....note the action to clean the subject site commenced in 1986.

Here's a view facing south and towards the fenced site at the corner of Hillside and Mission, note the DC Smoke Shop building which now has an address of 6389 Mission St....


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds


....the siding looks similar to that of the billiards parlor.....


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds


I could not find a zoomable 1930-ish aerial of the area, that could put the matter to rest.

Bristolian May 10, 2024 3:31 PM

Apparently there is minor debate regarding L.A.'s longest street regarding whether all must be within city limits or not. If one tosses that out, Western Avenue, which works it's way through five cities, is the longest at just over 28 miles.
Some folks from the LA Times walked the entire length in one day and wrote a pretty interesting article on it this week.
The article is supposed to be for subscribers only but hopefully the link works for all.


http://https://www.latimes.com/lifestyle/story/2024-05-06/walking-western-avenue-in-a-day

https://i.imgur.com/qvON0ta.png
LA Times

odinthor May 10, 2024 6:19 PM

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Western's north end careens east and becomes Los Feliz, which terminates in due course at Glendale . . . unless one wants to construe as part of it its little continuation across the street into Forest Lawn territory as a lane appropriately called Roads End St.

https://i.postimg.cc/PxcG2Z3X/Los-Feliz-East-End.jpg
gsv

ethereal_reality May 10, 2024 7:13 PM

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I agree riichkay,.. Noir Noir is correct about the location of the Van Fleet & Durkee photograph. Now I see why the seller placed a question mark after Los Angeles.
I was certainly surprised the Van Fleet & Durkee brand only lasted from 1929 to 1931. (a casualty of the Stock Market Crash?)




I just happened upon this rather odd photograph currently on eBay.

Seller's description:.. "American Legion Star Post #309 Los Angeles Sheriff's Department 1923"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/96mp5O.jpg
eBay

The American Star Legion Post is located at 220 N. Monte Vista, San Dimas. Of course the parade photograph could have been taken anywhere.

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ethereal_reality May 10, 2024 7:28 PM

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Here's another parade photograph. I happened upon it a few days ago on eBay.


1918 Los Angeles History Cabinet Photo Flag Day Girl Colson Tandem Bicycle

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/n9wfVc.jpg
eBay

You can clearly see the Los Angeles Brewing Co. sign on the side of the building down street but I think it's a tavern and not the company itself.



Back
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/rkyRmc.jpg

An address is written at upper left. I believe is says 1268 W. 14th Street.



Let's take a closer look.

The banner behind and to the right of the girl is all but decipherable.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/bDY6tn.jpg

The seller mentioned Flag Day but it could very well be the La Fiesta de Los Flores Parade which was held from 1896 to 1916.

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Lorendoc May 12, 2024 4:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10202477)
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Here's another parade photograph. I happened upon it a few days ago on eBay.


1918 Los Angeles History Cabinet Photo Flag Day Girl Colson Tandem Bicycle

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/n9wfVc.jpg
eBay

You can clearly see the Los Angeles Brewing Co. sign on the side of the building down street but I think it's a tavern and not the company itself.



Back
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/rkyRmc.jpg

An address is written at upper left. I believe is says 1268 W. 14th Street.



Let's take a closer look.

The banner behind and to the right of the girl is all but decipherable.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/bDY6tn.jpg

The seller mentioned Flag Day but it could very well be the La Fiesta de Los Flores Parade which was held from 1896 to 1916.

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Yes, the circled banner says "Fiesta de las Flores"

ethereal_reality May 13, 2024 4:51 PM

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Thanks Lorendoc. I appreciate your help. My eyes ain't what they used to be.

I wasn't able to log in all weekend. Is anyone else experiencing difficulty?

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ethereal_reality May 13, 2024 5:00 PM

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Today I have a SUPER DUPER mystery location.

I happened upon this rare photograph on eBay yesterday...I was dying to post it.


Are you sitting down?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/b35BLx.jpg
eBay

LOS ANGELES PHOTO ANTIQUE 1885 LARGE STREET


The location and date (1885) are on the back amongst some scribbles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ossUKh.jpg



Help!

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Martin Pal May 13, 2024 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10203717)
.I wasn't able to log in all weekend. Is anyone else experiencing difficulty?.

No, E_R, I have not had this problem.

ethereal_reality May 13, 2024 6:30 PM

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Thanks for answering my question, Martin Pal. ..Odinthor told me he was having the same problem but to what extent I don't know.

What's strange is: I always use my laptop and All-In-One computer at the same time. (they are next to each other on my drafting table)
Sometimes I can log into SkyscraperPage on one but not the other - and vise versa.

I wonder if I need to eat clear cookies or something along those lines?



After all these years I'm still not very computer savvy.

odinthor May 13, 2024 9:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10203726)
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Today I have a SUPER DUPER mystery location.

I happened upon this rare photograph on eBay yesterday...I was dying to post it.


Are you sitting down?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/b35BLx.jpg
eBay

LOS ANGELES PHOTO ANTIQUE 1885 LARGE STREET


The location and date (1885) are on the back amongst some scribbles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/ossUKh.jpg



Help!

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The millinery is clearly at a corner. At the end of 1885, a spot at 1st and Wilmington was being made available:

https://i.postimg.cc/ydMktqZ3/millin...1885-12-31.jpg
LA Herald, 12/31/1885

It's hard to tell if the photo's "1885" is certain or an approximation; the location being advertised could have been advertised as for "shoemaker, taylor, or dressmaker and milliner" because it had already been used for that purpose.

The FLOUR FEED STORE close by on the right seems to have the words E WILM up above; but Wilmington St. would methinks be N/S, not E/W.

Contrarily, on the 1883 CD, there is a convenient list of concerns for "Millinery and Ladies' Wear" with all of the ten businesses being either on N. Main or Spring.

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westcork May 14, 2024 1:29 AM

I just happened upon this article while curating my screenshots. Wilmington Street was barely 15 years old in 1885.

https://i.imgur.com/FdaNS5N.png
Courtesy California Digital Newspaper Collection,
Center for Bibliographic Studies and Research,
University of California, Riverside.

ethereal_reality May 14, 2024 2:30 AM

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Thanks for your ideas & theories on the mystery location, odinthor and Westcock. Hopefully each discovery will lead us to a solid answer.



Re: Logging in.

oops/ I quit reading the notice after "the server is busy" & "try again later" line.

I didn't realize -until just now- that all I had to do was go ahead and log in. (per the 2nd line in the notice)

Color me totally embarrassed. :blush:

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sadykadie2 May 14, 2024 5:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 10203717)
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Thanks Lorendoc. I appreciate your help. My eyes ain't what they used to be.

I wasn't able to log in all weekend. Is anyone else experiencing difficulty?

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When i get to the opening page that says "Server is Busy" I simply log in and have no trouble

ethereal_reality May 14, 2024 7:58 PM

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Thanks, sadykadie2.

It's great to hear from you. ..I hope you're doing well. :)

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ethereal_reality May 14, 2024 8:59 PM

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A mystery location.


"1915 Boy Off to School Holding Books Short Pants Hat Los Angeles CA"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/2ucUZo.jpg
eBay

I think it's fair to say that this boy comes from a well-to-do family.

Luckily the seller included a bit more information than what is included in the title description.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...923/BtNGDB.jpg

Well, the photo certainly isn't Iowa because of the Palm Trees. . so, yes, I'd say the location is Los Angeles.


I thought it might be possible to figure out the location by searching for Johnstons in the old city directories. That is, until I saw how many Johnston are listed in the directories.

1900 - 1901 directory.
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/0yvxRv.jpg
LAPL

Holy Moly! .. And that''s just half the page!



Before I finish let's take a closer look so we can get a better view of the houses in neighborhood.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/TvnZwf.jpg

The houses are LARGE. If you look closely there is a woman wearing a long skirt -just to the left of the boy's right arm- and her head barely makes it up to the window sills.
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